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    Earthling Member Post Number: 228 Registered: 05-2008 |
Some saber rattling out of Asia (N Korea/Japan) and US response http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=email_en&refer=home&sid=a5aKt9C0alE8 North Korea’s government vowed to wage war against Japan if Japanese defense forces try to shoot down a missile that the communist nation says will carry a communications satellite. “Should Japan dare recklessly to intercept the DPRK’s satellite, its army will consider this as the start of Japan’s war of reinvasion more than six decades after the Second World War,” the official Korean Central News Agency said today in an e-mailed statement. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-uskorea31-2009mar31,0,7072293.story?track=rss Two U.S. Navy destroyers, including one that is capable of intercepting missiles, were moved out of a South Korean port Monday amid expectations that North Korea may launch a rocket over the Pacific Ocean by the end of the week. The repositioning of the ships marked the latest in a series of military and diplomatic maneuvers between Washington and the government in Pyongyang, although U.S. officials have said there is no plan to strike the North Korean rocket. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 264 Registered: 07-2008 |
Ramirez(in post 90, above), I wonder, if this: "Billy...promotes eugenics..." is a statement you could substantiate. Salome. PS: REQUEST Kingman, if you are around, (welcome back first) please do get in touch with me at: aepsilonm@hotmail.com Thanks. | ||
Yoid Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 12-2008 |
It looks like World War III is coming, caused by financial,political crysis,food shortage, etc...or whatever.Starving is coming... Great. Am I right? | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 06-2008 |
Phenix. In response to your post 264. A small extract from Figu document .... A Crusade Against Overpopulation. About 80% down the document. Quote. "REQUIRED WORLDWIDE MEASURES: This is just one possibility among many! (These measures apply to everyone on Earth except for some small, native bush tribes, who have practiced their own form of stringent birth control measures since time immemorial.) Criteria for procreating: 1. An existing marriage of at least 3 years 2. Proof of a healthy, harmonious marriage 3. Proof of irreproachable conduct of the marriage partners 4. Proof of ability to raise children 5. Proof of health no hereditary and infectious diseases, no addiction to illegal or prescription drugs or to alcohol, etc 6. No affiliation with extremist or subversive groups" http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/ACrusadeAgainstOverpopulation/tabid/102/Default.aspx The brave new world. Cheers. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 06-2008 |
Yoid. You might be but not likely in the immediate future. To obtain reporting - viewpoints - analysis of current events not controlled by corporate mainstream media you might visit these alternative sources. Trawling through just these 3 sources for an hour will yeild far more reliable information than reading a newspaper or watching CNN, Fox, NBC etc. Do both then compare ..... that's how your mind expands, by experiencing, comparing then shifting your point of reference. www.globalresearch.ca/ www.therealnews.com www.wholetruthcoalition.org Cheers. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 265 Registered: 07-2008 |
Greetings, Ramirez, in post 92, You thus meant the required worldwide measures AGAINST OVERPOPULATION. Certain things are more clear, when put in context, aren't they?! Well, if the application of such measures is the brave new world, i personally would be privileged to be part of the brave new world. Incarnation after incarnation. Salome. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 06-2008 |
Phenix. Given the average consciousness & intellectual development of society today it would require a police state to implement such measures. Police states tend to carry out social enginerering programs suiting their agendas which usually descend into controlling opposition & disent by whatever means .... fascists, communists, religion all have genocidal track records. Presently there is no method by which an overwhelming majority of each nations population would voluntarily accept & practice eugenics. Presently there is no method by which nations could peacefully transition into a diverse though unified human race. There exists however insane proposals for a new world order dominated through the control of money by a group of occultist lunatics. The barriers of cultural, racial, religious, economic differences are simply too great to merge everyone together in todays political - religious climate. Lets examine proposal 6. 6. No affiliation with extremist or subversive groups" In Mr Rockefellers New World Order anyone supporting conspiracy theories might be required to visit their local clinic. In Papa Ratzi's New World Order protestants might be considered unsuitable to propogate. You see what I mean .... there is much scope for misuse. Cheers. | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 281 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dears Michael, Rod, Adam and Ramirez, Thank you all for your very interesting and thought provoking recent discussions regarding Wilcock. All your posts were backed by resources and logics that made the entire debate a very reasonable and enjoyable read. You are all truly thriving students of Billy. Dear Ramirez, You said; “Billy criticizes religion and promotes eugenics which are red lines those mentioned plus many others are unwilling to cross.” Unpopular expressions such as overpopulation, birth control, eugenics, abortion, falsified religions, anti-Semitism, genetic manipulation such as in food product and so on are indeed red flags for semi truthful societies such as the one we presently suffer from. There even exist a relatively new invented term called politically incorrect for such taboos. But, the precise nature of Billy’s material which boldly yet uniquely states the entire truth regardless of its unpopularity or political incorrectness puts every other self acclaimed prophets or gurus to shame. Billy stands out because he is not in the business of self promotion or egoistic gratification. It is quite simple, Billy says it like it is not the way he or other likes it to be. He is therefore for real. There is no better indication for truthfulness than his straight forwardness. So, why entertain partial truth which is most probably borrowed from the man himself anyways? Salome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 06-2008 |
Dear Zhila. Thankyou for the kind words & encouragement. It will not be Billy or someone of his stature overseeing population reduction through a sensible gradual program designed for minimal social disruption. This is the danger. Virtually all resistance groups are aware of the proposed NWO methods to reduce population so whoever openly supports this concept is viewed with great suspicion irrespective of any logical sense in their arguement. Cheers. | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 298 Registered: 06-2006 |
Eugenics and population control via restrictions, are not the same. I don't think by using that term is of any value when it is not in fact what is being promoted. As science advances, God recedes. In the same light, as awareness grows, so too will those practices that do not serve individuals and societies naturally recede. It is evident throughout history that new ideas, are resisted and opposed by those who stand as guards to the past, and those who cannot see the consequences looming in their own front yards. Safety and health measures take many years to be accepted -- there are still people who refuse to wear seat belts, or give up smoking or eating useless junk foods at the expense of their own and others health. Even the use of mobile phones is suspected to cause acoustic neuromas, and even malignant gliomas, but of course, because people are so fixed in their needs and habits, without forward thinking, they and the companies that sell them and provide the services, will resist even doing studies into this --- because, it is just too difficult to give something like that up. There are zillions of examples. As we here on earth move through the Aquarian age, the influences from the galaxy's central sun, will reach us more powerfully and without fail provide expansion of awareness in those who hang on to their old habits. And, as science advances, and it becomes glaringly obvious to all that we are not alone in the universe, and we are visited by those who fear that our ignorance and relative barbarism needs to be kept in check as soon as we are able to leave this solar system, only then will issues like overpopulation, when our population is around 20 billion, and things are getting tough, only then, will it happen without the need for a police state to enforce it. Well, that is my opinion anyway! Robyn | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 266 Registered: 07-2008 |
Ramirez, I will stick to the words of Billy Meier in their context and meaning. I read, see and understand 'required worldwide measures', as a package of means and methods to tackle the issue of overpopulation. 'Eugenics' is your word - as well as all the rest. Salome. | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 03-2007 |
Robyn, The 20 billion number that you mentioned for the future, is that your opinion or have you read that in FIGU related material? I don't recall seeing that number before from any of the English translations. Maybe it's in the German material which I have not read. | ||
Yoid Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 12-2008 |
Overpopulation rather Chinese and Black nations should decrease its population - they reproduce like rabbits, even on moon may be Chinese restaurant by now.Whites seems to decrease its population more than they.1 or no child should have couples every of course. | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 287 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Indi/Robyn, Beautifully put.I totally agree with your post. Salome Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 06-2008 |
Phenix. Here is one definition of eugenics. Wikipedia. Eugenics is a "the study of, or belief in, the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics). The Figu document obviously fits the description. It outlines desired positive & unacceptable negative features which combined form a justificational basis for labeling individuals as being either suitable or unsuitable to procreate. You might argue the Figu document is providing a framework for "lowering" the population but doesn't it in fact amount to guidelines for enforceable implementation. Would persons have a personal veto ? Are people going to be asked if they agree with the definitions or arbitary decisions of officials who categorize them ? I try to work with a model based on precedent & experience. Indi. "There is an urgent and immediate need." Isn't that Billy's evaluation ? So you say. "As science advances, God recedes. In the same light, as awareness grows, so too will those practices that do not serve individuals and societies naturally recede." It stands to reason now is the time to act .... but you know who is running world affairs and how they are running them .... now not in some theoretical future. Do you really imagine the UN, Brother Kim, Bob Mugabe, President Wen, Than Schwe, etc would implement the 6 points fairly & impartially ? Cheers. | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 300 Registered: 06-2006 |
Schantz re my statement saying 20 billion people: I made that as a personal assessment, after reading various articles on population growth, and the often quoted estimate that we will reach 9 - 10 billion in the next 50 yrs, and also that there is a growth rate of approx 1.14% per year. If you look at that exponentially, that could easily add up to at least 20 billion in the next 300 years, if left unchecked. also, I recall reading about a planet nearby here, that was described in the contact notes as having a population of around 20 billion, and there were people from there coming here for some food search related purpose due to the problems encountered there feeding the population. I should have noted it was my opinion and not that of Figu. Sorry for that! Robyn | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 03-2007 |
Robyn, I hope we don't reach 20 billion, but of course it's possible. Thanks for clarifying that it was your opinion. Here's the information on the other planet. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Is_there_an_inhabited_planet_within_5_light-years_of_Earth%3F | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 776 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Ramirez, Good observation on the definition of Eugenics. If it is this defined in the goal of the Birth-Stop / Birth-Control part of the Global Over-Population initiative, then I'm all for it 100%. As in your quoted "There is an urgent and immediate need." Isn't that Billy's evaluation ? = Yes, it certainly is. Urgent at the least to plant the seeds of the idea as widely as possible now. SOME will find fertile ground, open minds, where they will grow and spread. No one expects to see immediate results. If nothing is done, nothing will result. The prophecy from Billy seems to indicate some 800-years into the future for the process of population roll-back to become complete. That's how I see it, anyway. Yoid, "...Chinese and Black nations should decrease its population...:" Good point. To this 'critical' list, should be added India, the Philippine Islands, and several of the Nations in South America - in particular - Mexico (Central America). "... even on moon may be Chinese restaurant by now."  - You caught me by surprise there, my friend.  Robyn, If my memory serves, that planet was said to hold now 23-Billion. They are now governed by a dictator in a controlled police state. Now THERE'S a case for population controls. We must carry on with the Call from the Prophet, to make the Human Beings of Earth aware of the problem and the proposed solution. WHO ELSE will do this most important work? Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 267 Registered: 07-2008 |
Greetings, Ramirez in post 97, Good standard definition of 'eugenics', indeed. I however invite you back to the text itself. Do pay attention to the words of the TEXT ITSELF. (Emphasis added by me) "This( meaning, the worldwide measures) IS JUST ONE possibility among many! These measures apply to everyone on Earth EXCEPT FOR SOME SMALL, native bush TRIBES, WHO HAVE practiced THEIR OWN FORM OF STRINGENT BIRTH CONTROL MEASURES since time immemorial." As long as Billy Meier will not write, "measures to promote eugenics", i will see, read and understand 'required worldwide measures' against overpopulation. Salome. | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 09-2007 |
Hi Rod There are some developments regarding Akart's population that aren't yet mentioned on the "Future of Mankind" site. See here: http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi?pg=prev&topic=14&page=5799#POST14037 David | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 06-2008 |
Dear Phenix. I have no arguement with the proposal itself or urgent need for worldwide birth limitation as outlined in the Figu document. The measures are themselves sensible & logical. The document suggests the measures as an option to examine not a decree. Already everywhere on the planet sensible & logical families voluntarily limit themselves to having 1-3 children. However the greater proportion of humanity is for diverse reasons anything but sensible & logical. There is no attack against Figu or Billy. I made a statement that measures described in the FIGU document match the description of what constitutes eugenics. The document which represents Figu would also therefore represent the viewpoint of Billy. I did not attach any value judgement. Rather the manner in which population control has been previously implemented, by whom and for what reasons are factors which have attached a social stigma & negative value ..... perceived by some as such. Can you imagine the consequences in India if every muslim adult were required to undergo sterilization after females had procreated or males fathered 3 children. If someone cannot recite passages from the koran or bible from memory does that make them a mental defective thereby candidate for sterilization ? Is having a jewish grandmother an undesirable genetic trait ? Which nation or culture will start first ? If they aren't doing it why should we ? Entrenched mindsets weigh heavily against such a proposal gaining acceptance. ################################################## The NWO have a different plan. Not really complicated. The manipulation of food stock supplies & prices through hoarding & futures contract markets. Hedge companies during 2007-2008 have been investing in grain elevators and tankers having a potential to store huge quantities of grain. Diverting food for biofuel production. Diverting agricultural land away from grain production towards cattle grazing. Destabilization of Africa through wars, aids, corruption, puppet regimes, orphans, economic refugees, constant requirement for increased debt. Comes a severe worldwide depression .... Dow Jones drops to 4500. Many countries will be struggling to maintain social order. In this panic the supply & flow of money will dry up, inflation will increase. Food aid to Africa will gradually dry up. Poorer nations can no longer afford fertilizer, pesticides, agricultural machinery, transportation of foodstuffs and essential supplies resulting in huge famines. Parts of Africa (oil, timber, mineral rich areas) are meant to become virtually depopulated leaving the way open for "benevolent" rebuilding by the multinational cartels through their puppet organizations after the crisis has subsided. So there is described a targeted reduction in population which will have a domino fallout effect in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, Brazil, Mexico, Indonesia, Phillipines, Middle East. Over the past years with steadily encroaching globilization virtually no single nation can be relatively self sufficient for the basics as they once were. Commerce & banking have gained a stranglehold. It's like designing a ship with no watertight compartments. After it's all over most nations will need to borrow restart money from the international bankers .... remaining in debt forever. Hi Ramirez, Please post your references to the second part of your post, its full of assumptions and wonder if it is really based on good and sound sources. In the future post references to your conclusions, for posts as such to be approved. Peace.. Badr - Moderator Cheers. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 785 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Greetings to all in Peace, I don't mean to interrupt the flow of this discussion, just read, skip around, and carry on. Only here while "the-iron-is-hot," to interject this little piece related to Current earth events. THE FULL RELEASE OF FACTUAL INFORMATION ON UFO'S AND ALIENS (Part 8) (References to additional parts & links of this series posting over in: >>ET Intervention on Earth) Presentation of a series in 12 parts, ~10 minutes ea., (total about 2-hours) from Dr. Steven Greers' Disclosure Project. In this section (8), the discussion is about gravity-propulsion craft WE have built and fly. (This opens with an interview which continues from the end of part 7, and followed by Maj. George Filer). Then, at 6-minutes in, a new interview begins with Mark McCandlish. The talk here is about the three craft (ours) kept in a hanger at Norton AFB. Near the end of this talk is mentioned one of the Generals tells that THESE CRAFT CAN EXCEED THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Keep in mind, these are OUR functional craft. The unspoken observation (here), is OUR MILITARY HAS ALREADY FLOWN TO THE STARS AND BACK. This from BEFORE 1988. This verifies other similar revelations from additional sources of our current capabilities. Our military wouldn't build just ONE of these machines, so since '88 - how many do you suppose we have in the fleet now? Well, it's no wonder the other ETs are concerned = they have already seen US coming to their neighborhood, along with all our aggression and weapons. From...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp4OUZrlkYU&feature=related Peace be on Earth, and Among ALL Beings. Please ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 01-2009 |
Just seen on the news a 6.1 Earthquake in Italy, 53 miles from Rome. I just dont a internet search and the last Earthquake in Italy, from what I found was in dec, 2008 and was a 5.1 Is Vesuvius beginning to wake up? Asket: - The Creation is the basic foundation of life and all existence. In the force of The Creation, we fulfill our mission, which is not only of cosmic, but all-universal importance, because The Creation IS the life, and The Creation IS the existence |
