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    Edmundo New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2008 |
Hello, here small excerpt from unofficial translation of Contact 136 (October 14, 1980, 23:41) http://www.myspace.com/billymeiercontactreports --------- Semjase : ... 165. The severe quake around the Vesuvius will only be the beginning of a great number of similar disasters in Italy, but it should also be the starting point for further coming eruptions of the volcano, which will create further destruction in the future. 166. The threatening eruptions of the volcano, however, will indicate the fact that another world war comes within easy reach and that its destructive work will begin and be carried out, without being able to be prevented, if the political and religious unreasonableness of the Earth humans should continue. 167. For two thousand years, the Earth human being was given prophecies about these threats, but he only laughed at them, and all advice that was given was simply spoken into the wind. 168. But he must carry the consequences for more and more of his senselessness. 169. And the events in Italy should be the signs of this coming time because from this country, since ancient times, there were committed the most tremendous of earthly crimes against Earth humanity, namely through Catholicism, whereby the "Holy See", in particular, is responsible for this. 170. Already in the beginning time, when the papacy and the Vatican were founded in Rome and launched, because of this unconsciousness, the most negative place existing in Italy was selected for the residence of the Pope. From his place in Rome, where the Vatican resided, for over almost two millennia, the Pope spread murder, enslavement, exploitation, deception, and each possible crime over the terrestrial world, whereby even other worlds in the universe and in distant and foreign galaxies did not remain exempt from these infamous, murderous, and religious deadly actions because blameless extraterrestrial visitors on the Earth were thus confronted with the insanity of the religious cult of the Vatican and, therefore, Catholicism, and fell into disrepair from having acquired this delusion-faith, and after their return to their home worlds, the people living there were also infected by this delusion-faith until religious wars broke out, and that is why whole planets and enormous solar systems have been destroyed. 171. The Earth human being should consider these facts at once and recognize from them how deadly the earthly religion cults truly are. 172. And the earth person should also think about why in ancient times Italy - the most negative place - was unconsciously selected for the creation of the Vatican and why that just from there, as already often before, the mark of death for the world occurs when the volcano Vesuvius ejects its lava and distributes large disasters abroad. 173. These are the facts, and it would be worthwhile for the people of the Earth to think about them. 174. As before and as ever, however, there will be know-it-alls and cult-religious believers who will say that the Vesuvius volcano is not in or near Rome but is in the vicinity of Naples. 175. These know-it-alls, however, do not know the conditions of the interior of the Earth, much like even the responsible scientists. 176. So they do not know that the main activity of the volcano does not lie directly under it but lies directly and very deeply beneath the city of Rome, so in addition, those areas which will be shaken at the end of November will be caused partly by the magma eruption, water, and gas chambers and be caused partly by tectonic shifts. 177. This is to be said of the coming quakes in Italy, which find their beginning at the end of November of this year and which will not end for a long time. 178. But I must now depart from identifying in chronological order the events that are coming and return to this later. 179. Before further major earthquakes will follow in Italy, there are still some other important and moving things for terrestrial mankind which have to be carried out around the world. 180. Thus, the earthquake disaster in Italy will still be on the lips of the Earth humans when the next event occurs, which will deeply move millions of people. ... ---------- Is there any danger in the near future to Rome and Vatican ? | ||
Gordonb Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 12-2008 |
Oh great, so it looks like the earth quakes in Italy are only the beginning. Looks like were all going to make a bee-line for Billys house then lol. GordonB UK "I try my best to do a good deed every day" Salome. | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 01-2009 |
greetings, must there be a need to commemorate the crucifixion | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi all In regard to Vesuvius I think the scientist in Italy should start reading and practising some of what Ptaah has said. Ptaah: Vulkanausbrüche können tatsächlich auf eine leichte Art und Weise vorhergesagt werden, zumindest hinsichtlich kurzer Fristen, was wohl die Bedeutung der Erklärung meiner Tochter war. Ptaah: Volcanic eruptions can actually be predicted in an easy manner, at least with regard to short periods of time, which probably was the meaning of my daughter’s explanation. Billy: Richtig, wir sprachen damals im Rahmen von Wochen, Tagen und Stunden. Billy: Right, we spoke at that time in the context of weeks, days and hours. Ptaah: Wenn ich das Ganze so erklären muss, dass es auch einfache und in Geologie nicht gebildete Menschen verstehen, dann muss ich das in einfacher Weise tun: Zur Feststellung, wann ein Vulkan eruptiert resp. wann einer explodiert, ist die Technik der Seismographie (griech. seismós = Erschütterung, Anm. Billy) zur Anwendung zu bringen, durch die in den vulkaninneren Magmaflüssen – die wir auch als Magmakamine resp. Magmakanäle bezeichnen – mit Seismometern die magmische Seismizität resp. die seismischen Wellen der Magma gemessen werden müssen, die durch die Bewegung der Magma entstehen, wenn diese durch gewaltige erdinnere Kräfte stossweise in die Höhe gepresst wird. Ptaah: If I have to explain the whole subject in a way that also the simple people not educated in geology understand it, I then must do that in a simple manner: In order to determine the moment when a volcano will erupt, respectively when a volcano will explode, the technique of seismography (from the Greek* σεισμός, seismós, = tremor. Note by Billy) must be applied, through which in the volcano-internal streams – which we also describe as magma chimneys or magma channels, respectively – the magma seismicity or the seismic waves of magma, respectively, must be measured with seismometers when the magma is spasmodically pressed upwards by the enormous forces within the Earth. *Word seismós in bold Greek letters added here by the translator J.B.S Anhand der auftretenden seismischen Wellenmuster kann sehr leicht eruiert werden, ob ein Vulkan in einem relativen Ruhezustand ist oder ob es zu einem Ausbruch kommt. By means of the occurring seismic wave patterns it can be very easily established, whether a volcano is in a relatively dormant state or whether an eruption is coming. Ist der Vulkan in einem relativen Ruhezustand, dann ergibt es ein ruhiges Seismogramm, das lange Zackenlinien aufweist, wobei die Zacken links- und rechtsläufig und kurz sind. Steigt aber die Aktivität in bezug auf das Hochgepresstwerden der Magma in den Kaminen, dann treten unregelmässig und nur in grösseren Abständen wuchtigere Ausschlagungen auf, die sich weit nach rechts und links – oder nach oben und unten – ausweiten. If the volcano is in a relatively dormant state, then it produces a quiet seismogram, which has long jagged lines, where the points are short-jagged to the left and to the right. However, if there is an increase in activity due to the magma being pressed upwards in the chimneys, then more powerful swings occur irregularly and only in larger intervals; they (the swings) widen far to the right and to the left, or upwards and downwards. Das ist der Fall bei einem normalen relativen Ruhezustand eines Vulkans. Bahnt sich jedoch ein Vulkanausbruch an, dann wird die kurzgezackte Längslinie des Seismogramms immer kürzer, während die grossen Ausschlagungen durch die zunehmende Aktivität der Magmahochpressung sich immer mehr häufen. This is the case with a normal relatively dormant state of a volcano. However, if a volcanic eruption is developing, then the short-jagged longitudinal lines of the seismogram becomes increasingly shorter, while the larger swings are becoming more and more frequent due to the increasing activity of the magma being pressed upwards. Also werden die Grossausschlagungen immer häufiger und erfolgen in zunehmend kürzeren Abständen, was bedeutet, dass die Magma durch den urgewaltigen Druck von unten immer stärker und häufiger nach oben gepresst wird, wo sie sich dann durch offene Eruptionen entlädt und aus dem Vulkankrater geschleudert wird. Therefore the great swings (amplitude of the seismic wave traces) are getting increasingly more frequent and occur in increasingly shorter intervals which indicates that the magma is more frequently and even more strongly pressed upwards by the elemental pressure from below, and is released through open eruptions and is flung out from the volcanic crater. Ist der Vulkankrater jedoch versiegelt resp. durch eine alte Lavaschicht verschlossen, oder stösst ein Magmakamin sich am Erdreich oder an einem Berg und kann nicht offen entweichen, dann entsteht ein derart unvorstellbar gewaltiger Druck, dass sich das Magma mit einer ungeheuren Explosion einen Weg ins Freie sucht. Geschieht dies, dann bricht der ganze Berg zusammen, wobei jedoch auch urgewaltige Schlammlawinen entstehen, die viele Meter hoch – bis zu 100 Kilometer und mehr – sich zu Tal und über das Land wälzen und dabei alles zerstören und alle Lebensformen töten, die ihr zum Opfer fallen. However, if the volcanic crater is sealed or locked by an old layer of lava, respectively, or if a magma chimney is covered by soil or a mountain and cannot escape openly then such an incredibly huge pressure is built that the magma searches for a way to the outside through an immense explosion. If this happens, then the whole mountain collapses, producing elemental mudslides many metres high, rolling downwards and over the lands – up to 100 kilometers and more – while destroying everything and killing all forms of life which fall victim to it. Geschieht solches bei Vulkanen im Meer, dann entstehen viele Meter hohe Tsunamis, die mit bis zu 1000 Stundenkilometern durch das Meer rollen und dann viele Menschenleben fordern und ganze Landstriche sowie menschliche Errungenschaften zerstören, wenn sie auf Land treffen. If such happens to volcanoes in the sea, then tsunamis many metres high result, which roll through the sea, up to 1,000 kilometres per hour, claiming many human lives and destroying whole areas as well as the human achievements when they hit onto the land. Doch zurück zur Seismographie: Wenn die Seismogramme richtig entschlüsselt und die immer kürzeren Abstände des Auftretens der Grossausschlagungen sowie das Kürzerwerden der kleinen Zackenlinieausschläge immer kürzer werden, dann kann daraus der Zeitpunkt errechnet werden, wann der Vulkan zum Ausbruch kommt. But coming back on seismography: If the seismograms are correctly deciphered, and when the great swings (amplitude of seismic wave traces) as well as the shorter jagged lines are occurring in ever shorter intervals, then the instant when the volcano comes to the eruption can be calculated. Billy: Mit deiner Erklärung kann ich das Ganze verstehen. Ist eigentlich recht simpel, wenn man weiss, was zu tun ist. Aber sieh hier, das ist das zusätzliche Wort, das ich dem ‹Kelch der Wahrheit› noch beifügen möchte: … Billy: With your explanation I can understand the whole subject. Actually everything is quite simple if one knows what has to be done. But look here, this is the additional text which I would like to add to the 'Kelch der Wahrheit' (Goblet of Truth**): … Asket: - The Creation is the basic foundation of life and all existence. In the force of The Creation, we fulfill our mission, which is not only of cosmic, but all-universal importance, because The Creation IS the life, and The Creation IS the existence | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 769 Registered: 10-2000 |
This appears to be a similar kind of projection to what Asket demonstrated for Billy years ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4_9m_6LHko&feature=related Perhaps a holographic projection? Michael Horn | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1742 Registered: 12-1999 |
perhaps it is a video manipulation made to appear as a holographic projection? | ||
Johnboy Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 07-2008 |
Michael and Scott, Based on the viewing link, my personal knowledge of atmospheric phenomenon tells me that the image appears to be a co-incidental illumination of three jet contrail portions right after sundown. You will notice the darkened ground images where the sunlight was transitioning to darkness. The contrails were still illuminated because they were above the horizon in direct sunlight. The image also is very close to the illumination of a "sundog". A "sundog" appears when the sun is above the horizon and the illumination would be colored just like a rainbow with the red color closest to the sun. As a licensed pilot, I learned to familiarize myself with these phenomenon. Without a full horizon shot that includes the location of the sun in relation to the illuminated image, I can't be sure of the "sundog" aspect. Utilizing the correct sun angles, Asket could probably do it too. | ||
Johnboy Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 07-2008 |
A thought to share about the comment by Semjase from contact 136... 180. Thus, the earthquake disaster in Italy will still be on the lips of the Earth humans when the next event occurs, which will deeply move millions. I have been observing the seismic activity of the pacific northwest since I read about the prediction of the 9.0 seaquake off the coast of Bandon, Oregon, as relayed from Billy by Michael on Theyfly.com. I have noticed what appears to be a trend that matches the decription by PTAAH that the magma movement was far inland from where the scientists would normally track for a subduction zone earthquake. About five months ago, I observed a very intense pick up of activity on the 'webicorder' for Jordan Valley, Oregon which is on the far eastern side of Oregon and away from the west coast. I have observed since then, an increase in seismic activity for webicorders that are now much closer to the coast. The latest observations include Burns Butte, Oregon and Roseburg, Oregon. These locations are almost in a direct line between Jordan Valley in the east and predicted location offshore west of Bandon, Oregon. In addition, the fault line off the northern California coast has had what appears to be a cluster of small earthquakes, with each being a little more to the west. Could the predicted 9.0 seaquake, with two tsunamis, happen while the people of Earth are still discussing the earthquake in Italy? One thing is for sure...to quote Semjase, it would "deeply move millions". I hope I am wrong, but as we know, Billy will be right. Here is the Roseburg, Oregon webicorder from the Pacific Northwest Seismic Network: http://www.pnsn.org/WEBICORDER/SMO_S/UMPQ_SHZ_UW.200904812.html | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 306 Registered: 09-2008 |
Thank you Michael. Wow, it is already starting. Scott, It is not a video manipulation because there are other ones from different angles. Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 01-2009 |
We know what it isnt, A devine spirit or apparition of some one called "Jesus". Maybe it is a Hologram and purposely arranged by some religious group and/or government to mind trick people into thinking "Jesus" second coming is about to happen. But also could be a camera trick as Scott said. Definatly not what it seems Asket: - The Creation is the basic foundation of life and all existence. In the force of The Creation, we fulfill our mission, which is not only of cosmic, but all-universal importance, because The Creation IS the life, and The Creation IS the existence | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 307 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Johnboy, Is there a possibility that contrails are phenomenon occurring due to HAARP project, and that the holographic images are a product of this technology? of course, I am just speculating. Salome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 770 Registered: 10-2000 |
Some more info re Italy, Vesuvius, etc.: Wednesday, September 15, 1976, 18:04 PM The Earth quite evilly up-raising and growling quakes, and round about in the nations death arises. The land of the boot, severely it will be death-hit, because people there faithfully hope from the Pope. Their error-belief will now become their destruction; their very own fault, that Italy lies so in shatters, that the land tears apart and in the ocean it sinks, and the decaying life to heaven stinks. Italy, the nation of those who deem themselves Creation, will now, finally, run into miserable destruction, because shaft and boot sink into the ocean, and the ocean will be bare of land and of people. The coasts of the ocean rise up high to the mountain, and the dying ones have no need for coffins because the floods themselves now are grave and coffin, the ocean creatures, they find food in plentiful order. The mountains of the North will be the border, when in the South the people dying, loudly scream. Bethink, oh Man, for this only you carry the blame and nature has had patience with you for too long, ah, but now she destroys you and beats hard you down, with gruesome death and with quite terrible pain. The beginning of evil, search, it lies in Rome, under the roofs of the dead-murdering Vatican-Dome; there lies the greatest guilt of all destruction; Consider mankind, therefore, this very wise teaching. ------------------------------------------------- And then there's this from the Henoch Prophecies (1987): This will be at the time that tremendous natural disasters will hit Italy and its people, causing severe hardship. But this will also be at the time when Vesuvius could become active again and could spread tremendous havoc. At the same time, a war will shake Italy and claim many human lives as well as cause great destruction. ------------------------------------------------- Read more info re Vesuvius from: http://theyfly.com/news2005/march05/march05.htm#new Michael Horn | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 308 Registered: 09-2008 |
Deaer Johnboy, I actually meant they might be what is called chemtrail instead of contrails. If I am not mistaken, contrails don't last that long. Right? Salome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1743 Registered: 12-1999 |
I found a few videos which seemed to depict the same image, but when you look closely at one, the trees are not moving, and in another the trees are moving and it appears to be a stormy day. Sorry, I don't believe anything on the internet because with the sophistication of software these days almost anything is possible. (Message edited by scott on April 09, 2009) | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 01-2009 |
Michael Horn Thanks for posting that link. Very interesting work. Would I be right in thinking that when a person or groups of people have negative thoughts, for example religious belief, that these thoughts have a negative impact on the Earth? Im pretty sure I have read this somewhere in the Meier material but cannot place where I read it. Semjase says :- 162. Already at the beginning, when the papal seat and the Vatican in Rome were founded and called into existence, the most negative place on Earth was chosen for the residence of the Pope in unconscious manner, the City of Rome, where the State of the Vatican was formed, from which throughout nearly two thousand years, murder, enslavement, exploitation spread, the leading astray and every possible crime across the earthly world, of which even other worlds in the universe and in distant and strange galaxies were not spared this shameful, murderous and religious-deadly doing, because blameless extraterrestrial visitors, who came to Earth, were confronted with the insanity of the religion-cult of the Vatican and with it with Catholicism, and falling for this false belief and, after their return to their home world, infected the people living there with their acquired false belief, until religious wars broke out, and due to it entire planets and even gigantic galaxies were destroyed. So I am thinking that because of the negative forces (Energy) from the Catholic religion it is affecting the Earth in a negative way. Thanks Asket: - The Creation is the basic foundation of life and all existence. In the force of The Creation, we fulfill our mission, which is not only of cosmic, but all-universal importance, because The Creation IS the life, and The Creation IS the existence | ||
Johnboy Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 07-2008 |
Zhila, Contrails are the result of the condensation of water from the exhausts of jets. If the humidity at that altitude is high enough, the water will condense and because of the very low temperature (below zero at that altitude) it will form into ice crystals. The duration of the contrails existence depends on the humidity of the surrounding air at that altitude. If the humidity is high, the contrails can last a long time. Sometimes the contrail becomes the beginning of an entire cirrus cloud which will last as long as the moisture is there. On occassion, one may see a high altitude jet pass by with no contrail at all. This is the result of a very dry air that assimilates the moisture immediately--like a sponge. I do not believe that the video mentioned showed a "chemtrail" or a hologram. I believe it was a contrail from a couple of 'east/west' jet flights that crossed an earlier 'north/south' flight and their contrails got illuminated in a striking way. I do not believe it was "HAARP related". There are many more things wrong with HAARP than making contrails.... | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 06-2008 |
Stephen_moore "So I am thinking that because of the negative forces (Energy) from the Catholic religion it is affecting the Earth in a negative way." An astute observation. The Catholic agenda revolves around a return of the Roman Empire with themselves (priest cult) in contol via various proxies. This agenda has been steered by the Jesuits who form a Shadow Vatican similar to the Shadow Government behind the USA and are in effective control of policy. Popes are convenient puppet figureheads. Who lies behind & above the Jesuits  Who has in the past influenced these persons ... shhh it's a secret and nobody mention the Bafath. The real tragedy of this coming event lies in the fate of many unfortunate persons living in that area who have no part in the insanity. Dear Zhila. Contrails are a normal result of jet exhaust gasses from aircraft which disperse after a few minutes. Chemtrails are formed through streams of chemicals mixed into a cocktail being released behind a specially designed aircraft. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y6KyM1QEqo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7rKRUV95Zk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-afMDA4iwYA Cheers. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1375 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Michael and Scott.... It could indeed, be a Holographic projection! I think I mentioned here, or at the PAR/Pl'sRReal site, that in some parts of Cuba many years back: "Mother Mary" projection appeared...in parts of Cuba. It was later made known, in some articles here-and-there, that the CIA/ Pentagon...were already, conducting such Holographic projects to Manipulate certain country's people/population. I guess, to get them back on the Christianity following bit, again. This Tactic, seems to be conducted anywhere on Earth, where there has to be a PRO Christian...fraction, to overthrow that/a certain country. Just Brainwash them with Christian Cult Religion and Presto: You have a Mobilized Army;(We are)Christian Soldiers....yada...yada....!! I would not close out, though, that the just mentioned: would have their (FAT) finger in the porridge! But, it may just be that those clips were just plain old 'manipulated'!? Edward. | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 01-2009 |
greetings, "Elreyjr Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 01-2009 Posted on Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 12:46 am: greetings, must there be a need to commemorate the crucifixion" may we look at it this way? from OM "1480. No answer is a clear answer." Peace | ||
Mattopenminds Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2008 |
Hi Elreyjr, I think that the crucifixion higlighted that intelligence, truth, honour, love, etc, have no place in a Barbaric Society. This Barbarism could have lead to the death of Truth, i.e., reality, Earth. Jmmanuel died for our sins... this is what I was told by religion but perhaps he knew that actions speak louder than words and through participating in this event he was making a powerful statement to everyone about curbing Barbarism (ignorance) so that truth (knowledge) can live and win out (Live). Perhaps this event created an alternative path that effectively created a split, (Y -shaped cross, i.e., one path splitting into two) another road for Earth human to travel to avoid the road that would have lead to the complete annihilation of Earth, our Truth. So it was important, amazing, and no small task but one that must have been faced with great bravery and will. According to traditional biblical theories, it also signified death and rebirth or resurrection which is delusion because if this had happened, it would have been of no consequence (no-one wants death as it is an end to the words of truth and to knowledge and we also know at spirit level when we are reborn we don't keep treasures that would be of no use to the spirit, e.g., reincarnational memory). Luckily, according to the TJ, Jmmanuel survived. The truth wins out and it is in the knowing about medicine (scientific truth), which a Paramedic I know agreed with, and by tightly wrapping the body (like we use plasters today) healing from Jmmanuel's potential death was possible - thereby knowledge, in this case scientific knowledge and truth wins out. Phew! We avoided the path where there was no truth, i.e., destruction and death. The knowledge of this science (Truth) and the knowledge of the past (Truth) was lost to the Romans and to the Israelites but was known by Jmmanuel and he tried to tell them the truth but in so doing took a big risk which shows us as a human being he must have had great faith and skill and knowledge. He therefore made headlines. I wouldn't have argued with a man with that intent. Peace, Matt | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 01-2009 |
greetings Matt and All, we also read the curtain splitting. it is a nice feeling to be around. thanks, | ||
Yoid Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 12-2008 |
Do you see coming disaster like food shortage,starving,total collapse of humanity,wars, riots? As I see it is coming.No joke. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 06-2008 |
Edward. Type Mary apparitions into YouTube search .... about 650 items. Here is an interesting one. Part 1 of a series well worth watching. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTAr8iZYHvg Is this another Bafath Studios/Catholic Fantasy Series production ? Take a small isolated village, some poorly educated naive catholic children .... Lourdes Episode 2. Our miracles are better than yours Mattopenminds. Truth might gain ascendancy within some who search for it, however the majority seem content with accepting a shrinkwrapped ready to digest no thinking required version neatly packaged for them into the mainstream media. If Jmannuel were visiting Washington today the atmosphere & faces would probably be familiar, money changers hanging about the new temple carrying on business as usual, Herod in the big house wiping his hands, what memories. A man of his time & through his example of all time who kicked over the establishments tables. They are persistent though, always erecting new tables Cheers. |
