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    Redbeard Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hello Marcela, Yes many good points and ideas to very complex issues. When it comes right down to it we are talking about peoples lives and freedoms. So if a person is burdened down with the raising of children which is the hardest job on the planet (IMO), after the marriage relationship that is, how free and able to pursue the best direction in life is that person and their children. I wouldn't want a parent that wished he wasn't my parent because they were so stressed out over money and time and the needs of their family. I'm just talking from the standpoint of the youngest of 4 siblings and the Father of 3 boys of mine and 1 from a previous of hers and not to mention the cousins that hang out because my siblings have parenting issues. We want freedom to make choices, but what would we do with those choices or should I say what have we all done in the past with those choices. Some of us have realized our parents and/or societies errors and made changes but many are doomed to repeat. I do think that planning and debate would be appropriate now to formulate a plan to deal with what is coming, and getting our political leaders to see it and address it will be paramount soon. We only owe it to ourselves for our future incarnations. Any good that can be achieved now will pay forward, now that's an incentive perhaps. Don't forget Marcela that Michigan is a nice place to do the meditation too, maybe we could all meet in the middle somewhere...... Matthew Beattie | |||
Cpl Member Post Number: 456 Registered: 08-2004 |
Drought, Rising Population, And Shrinking Farmland Perhaps many of you are already aware of this. Just received it in an email newsletter. "Heat and drought have been hammering, on-and-off, the bread baskets of Australia, Argentina, China and other major grain growers. In Texas, crop losses have tallied $2.6 billion, and livestock producers have lost another $974 million since the drought began, according to state figures. If losses continue to mount, some expect that they could surpass the $4.1 billion record set in Texas in 2006. Meanwhile, many parts of Europe are alternately suffering from floods or droughts. The situation is so bad that the U.S. Foreign Agricultural Service (FAS) recently released a grain production report slashing 5.5 million tonnes (1.9 percent) off its previous estimate of two months ago for the European Union. Of course, there have been severe droughts and floods before. The problem now is that we have a lot more people. So when something goes wrong in one of the world's major breadbaskets, a lot more of us are suddenly going hungry. This problem will only get worse ... While population growth is slowing down, we are still adding 77 million hungry mouths to the planet every year. In 1950, the world had 2.5 billion inhabitants. In 1999, it passed 6 billion, and we're quickly working on 7 billion. Most of this population growth is in developing countries. At the same time, the world's arable land — land that is used for farming — is shrinking. Right now, only 10 percent of the world's surface is arable land. Good land is lost to urbanization and other uses every day. As a result, the world is losing one hectare (about 2.5 acres) of arable land every 7.67 seconds. Of course, all the land in the world won't save you if nature won't cooperate. Guess what? Mother Nature is acting really hacked off!" | |||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 09-2002 |
CPL, We are more towards 8 billion already, not 7 billion and were still adding 3 children per second to the total, and thats a conservative number. Mark Gilbo | |||
Norm Member Post Number: 1286 Registered: 02-2000 |
United States of America Population Change Map (1980-2008) http://www.numbersusa.com/content/maps My Website | |||
Cpl Member Post Number: 460 Registered: 08-2004 |
Yes, I know, Mark. Thanks for the reminder. Would have been better to have put that in. Maybe other figures are underestimated too. Chris | |||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 06-2009 |
Look what I found - "India pays couples to put off having children" (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/02/india-china-birth-control). The government still is going for half-hearted measures. The Indian state of Karnataka is calling for jailing couples having more than 2 children!! All talk and no action. Elsewhere, China is reversing its 3 decade old 1 child policy - as if its 1.4 billion people is not enough.  | |||
Tjames Member Post Number: 302 Registered: 12-2004 |
Salome Smukhuti! Nice to meet you, That is indeed interesting, Considering this is going to be one of the main issues facing our world in the coming centuries. I like that they are actually ACKNOWLEDGING that overpopulation is a problem. THERE SHOULD INDEED BE A WORLDWIDE BIRTHRATE HALT! I have thought long and hard on this issue and that truly is the quickest and most effective solution. All the details can be worked out but the gist is people must stop procreating uncontrollably and like beasts! Take care, and breed less! Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | |||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 06-2009 |
Breed less - you say it  Yes, better late than never. But it's an irony that autocratic, communist or even conservative religious regimes can enforce population control with ease, but democracies cannot do it because of fear of religious backlash. | |||
Tjames Member Post Number: 303 Registered: 12-2004 |
People need to recognize the connections! The Church will not do it for them nor will they assume responsibility for the terrors they have created through falsifying scripture over lengthy periods of time (also thank you Bafath!). The connections between the resources we consume and the requirements that a single human being needs for daily living have got to be made. If you take the time to figure out the space needed to live, not only for humans but for all of creations creatures according to the natural laws you will notice it is near impossible to obtain balanced living with an insanely overpopulated environment. The way to peace is a smaller population. But we will not recognize overpopulation as a problem nor how to remedy it until we glance at the spiritual teachings or have internal recognitions for guidance. Here I am specifically talking about 220,000,000 human planet maximum and the appropriate spacing and homes and communities. We are now 7,500,000,000 plus!!! inhabitants! I don't think giving out condoms by the government is going to work. The people have to recognize that their wellbeing and the future generations of their relatives will be directly affected by our current actions. There then needs to be multi-national (every nation) council set-up before a law could be passed. Such law would obviously consist of it being illegal to have children, ANY CHILDREN for a designated period of time for designated groups. Why not throw in a multi-national peace fighting troop force to ENFORCE IT ALL! Meaning keep the peace. Salome, Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | |||
Edward Member Post Number: 1463 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Tim.... Interesting posting, you have there! Concerning: "Why not throw in a multi-national peace fighting troop force to ENFORCE IT ALL! " Well, dear Tim: it just does not work that way. That is WHY I mentioned in my previous posting concerning - (Global) Overpopulation -, some sort of Compromise should be made/applied, and each has their way. Still within the framework of having The Right, and Logic. If this mentioned is not applied, than we are dealing with Dictatorial applications, which is not really what it is all about. The Human aspect of Logic should still be maintained/obtained; and through Creational Principles/ Recommendations, still adapting Free Will and Choice; through Self Determination. Thus: it can not be Enforced or Forced Upon....in the concerning. Of course, there is a war against Overpopulation, but not in the sense that we should take such drastic measure, as you commented. This is just another ball game. But, I understand what you mean: Killing (Too Much) people is not good as well as breeding TOO MUCH people. There should indeed be: Balance. But in our situation we are Unable to balance it out: we can only remedy the situation/circumstances by - Reducing - the number...but with a reasonable Birth Control program/project, of course. The individuals/parents (to be) should become Reasonable THINKING human beings and grasp the Consequences and out come and not act foolish.... Thus, it becomes a: 'Give and Take'...situation; coming from BOTH sides/ parties, if you will. Thus: if we take steps NOW....we can indeed Reduce the number count calculated by the Plejarans, which is projected in our near future to come. We still have this prospect/possibility to avert our Direction/Course. "Better Prevention....than Healing", as they say.... Edward. | |||
Tjames Member Post Number: 304 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Edward, I agree that the birth halt if it will ever take place shouldn't be "enforced" with every sense of the word. Like militarily for example, but, there needs to be consequences for those who disobey which is outlined in some of the Figu ideas under overpopulation of course. What may not have been clear in the previous post is the idea that this may not transpire until we have global peace fighting troops like ancient times. (or perhaps that is too optimistic) And they dissolve local issues is the concept. Local uprisings will invariably occur and you're right the troops themselves would not enforce anyone to "not have children" that would be foolish. But, for those who break the law. How will you detain such individuals, peacefully? There will of course be a level of necessary aggression and minimal violence possible. But a crime like bearing too many children should be an offense worth jailing I think. And enforcing this "should be law" was really all I was talking about. Salome Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | |||
Tjames Member Post Number: 305 Registered: 12-2004 |
Also Eddie, (If I may call you that) I just realized I said "multi-national" which is laughable for two reasons. The first and biggest reason is that the Peace Troop fighting force if it were to be assembled and put into place would have no such composition. It would be made up a world wide organization. The second reason why "muli-national" as I mistakenly called it would not be appropriate is because the term multinational in our current sense is all but impossible. We lack the capacity to get along. And thus no such thing would come about that actually would equate to peace even if there were a "multi-national peace fighting force". Nations have to be blended together while still keeping personal and cultural identity. There are wonderful books and ideas out there about maintaining this concept. A one world unified organization for the sole purpose of keeping the peace must be in order before a peace troop fighting force could ever be initiated. So sorry to throw you all off with that title! We may indeed be talking about the distant future here but I think it must be an integral part. Ideas Anyone? Salome, Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | |||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 996 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Best Greetings to All in Peace Hello Tim, In reference to the Over-Population, you are aware of the Proposal put forth by Billy, yes? The proposal has been incorporated into a petition, available here: ... http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition The 'heart of this petition is now being distributed as widely as possible, in the following format (click-on to read): ...
You may also download and distribute this document. This version has been modified from the petition document with approval from FIGU by Christian Frehner. Suggested distribution: to local government representatives, to the Editors of newspapers, among your personal contacts, To President Obama, to United Nations representatives, to various Women's Organizations, to people in other nations, organizations in other nations, &c, &c. This is the work which a small group of us from these Forums are already engaged with. It is Billys' wish that this go forth to every Human Being on Earth. People must KNOW Truth before they can act on it. Salome ***** TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE Find What You Seek ~ Rod | |||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 06-2008 |
Tim. After humanity has jettisoned those who are espousing a one unified world organizaton based on the concept of a one world corporation together with it's materialistic ideology we might then be in a position to consider a "peace fighting troop" ..... err which sounds like the sort of rambling double speak Bush & Cheney were so immersed in. To obtain peace you have to fight ... global warming, nasty terrorists, subversives, witches, evil .... long list of grade a plenty bad fella types lurking in the shadows ..... whilst maybe the shadows in which they lurk exist solely in the minds of the lesser enlightened. Needs to be some house cleaning before such a thing as a peace fighting troop could become a viable positive neutral force acting in the interests of humanity. Cheers. | |||
Tjames Member Post Number: 306 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hey Rod and Ramirez, Thanks for the comments. I actually signed that petition and sent it to all the people I thought would be appropriate. I'm glad you reminded me though I need to send that thing OUT! I really think this is so important. Hopefully, enough people will take notice. It was nice to see Al Gore actually say "overpopulation" as a cause for global warming in his movie "Inconvenient Truth". Besides his movie another movie that is good at explaining through visual stimulation the splendors of Nature and the horrors that we have caused it is "Home". We need more exposure to this topic. Ramirez, You reflect my opinions and senses about how others may view such ideas. I got pummeled on Myspace by an Alex Jones follower who gave me some video with out a hello or an explanation. I think my temporary title (for those who have a myspace) was "A crusade against Overpopulation" So he thought he was doing a favor by giving me a video which talked about how the global elite want population control and that they will not stop at creating wars and fake diseases etc. etc. I've looked into the guy and he gets out some good info... some. But the majority of his in my mind is fear mongering. The guy is afraid that our government has plans to restrict the over-consuming American population, which may or may not be true. This is what I meant a couple posts back by making connections. Logically, if the government did have such evil plans to kill off the population they must have a reason. Here is a slippery slope. Even if this is true (which may not be so) I think this should still set off a spark in your mind that says "well, we might be overpopulated". Just because these theories state that the worlds governments have plans to inappropriately kill off portions of the populace DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE ISN'T AN APPROPRIATE AND ETHICAL METHOD TO REDUCE THE POPULATION. Once you even say the phrase "population control" people go nuts. I think the Germans would be more likely to do something like strictly observe population growth and set laws to minimize buckling pressures within local and national economies. But people seem to not want to draw the connections between their offspring the the water shortage "over there" or desertification and extreme weather pattern changes for a few examples. I'm sure many of you know this and more but some people just have a hard time taking responsibility. It's really just that simple. Regarding the "peace fighting troops" It does sound like double speak and everyone I've told about this concept has argued me... however I have always stood my ground and explained to the best of my ability that if you have an council that is truly working for peaceful things and not bound by greed (which we are not there yet) then an armed group of combat trained, understand psychology, cause and effect, and only interfere to neutralize threats can keep order on a planet, especially if they are placed in every major city. Since we are not there yet we need to focus on pre-requisites, which I think everyone agrees on. But, I think it only works to our benefit by putting our thoughts out there like the big bang spreading it's force created by the original Ur-thought to create space. Using this same concept, we must force the way, not physically but mentally first as all things start with ideas. It must first be understood, clearly what must be done and then the goal will be accomplished if enough attention is put onto the matter. This process is even subconscious at first in minds of individuals, working its way through to the physical consciousness and then physically make the plan come into fruition. We have a lot of work to do! Salome Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | |||
Nickm Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 07-2004 |
Here's, just a thought about overpopulation and the 2002 Crabwood crop circle that had a message embeded in it saying: ""Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. EELRIJUE. There is GOOD out there. We OPpose DECEPTION. Conduit CLOSING [bell sound]"" What if the "OP" in "OPpose" was standing for "OverPopulation"? Also if we only take the letters in caps without the unreadable portion it says "FALSE BROKEN PROMISES PAIN GOOD OP DECEPTION CLOSING" | |||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 07-2009 |
Here's a heartwarming little tidbit that should be subtitled, "Hi, We're Stupid and It's So Much...Fun!" http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/tv.accesshollywood.com/duggars-expecting-19th-child-20090901 | |||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1843 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Michael, Maybe they don't know how to do anything else  | |||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1016 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Check the Necks -- I'll bet they're RED  They all oughtta git tagether with that OCTO-MOM. Have 8 at-a-time, three times, will fill up that trailer. Gotta wonder -- how big ARE them welfare checks?  ***** TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE Find What You Seek ~ Rod | |||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 04-2006 |
I read another article about it, I think a full quiver has been achieved. Time to take an arrow out and aim low. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32630876/ Got truth, bring it, Matt Beattie | |||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 01-2009 |
greeting, should the arrows do not do the trick, use them as cannon balls instead. seriously though, how about you seeing a child having a half a bowl of rice with some tinniwinnie bit of dried fish or a dash salt or sugar with the sprinkling of a dozen flies and smothered with a lot of his tears for his day's meal. its the reality of it all. but who cares? the parents do not know any better. the government leaders are busy fattening their treasure chest so they would eat better. the clergy could only offer prayers,(or thanking that it is so because the more the merrier) and nothing more. the God they call on seems to be too busy, or do not know any better just the same. the law (principle) of annihilation could come handy soon enough. Jun | |||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 10-2008 |
If you think about the possible results of your words concerning the merging of injurious comments to the subject , you would realize no positive impact at all . I really don't mean to condemn your comments and talk down to you , just a reminder of what you already know . However the negative result is just obvious . The whole concept of self responsibilty becomes clearer . I don't have to explain it further . You gentlemen can read between the lines and keep yourselves from further degenerative comments . | |||
Marcela Member Post Number: 190 Registered: 06-2008 |
Jun: Are you talking about Africa, Indochina, North Korea or...? Well… we could say all of the above. Basically I took a history class and we learned that much of the misery of third world countries was created by first world countries and their colonies. Belgium for instance, destroyed the society in Congo, making them into pirates and making them fight to each other for gold. France took over Vietnam and the USA created havoc in that part of the world, killing millions of people. And the rest is obvious, first world countries taught their colonies to be corrupted and not care for human dignity, so when we see a kid starving, we should see the whole world as responsible for that. I don’t know what you mean by annihilation, but that is obviously not the answer. Figu opposes all kind of death penalties and genocides. Salome, Marcela. |
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