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    Elreyjr Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 01-2009 |
greetings Marcela, IMO, annihilation could easily be a natural occurrence especially if the burden of over-population will not be abated. humans will kill to survive. humans will naturally die in very large number if the habitat will no longer be sustaining life as the source of clean air, water and food is compromised. humans will naturally die in very large number if the weapons of mass destruction will be used to preserve the interest of the self-appointed leaders to survive. do not be surprised that hunger scene described on earlier post is also here around me within the heart of the metropolitan Manila, Philippines. the same way, our country's history will show you that this country once called the Pearl of the Orient, were also colonized for its wealth and beauty, the longest being by the Spaniards (over 300 hundred years) not only economically but most definitely by its religious domination. then and now, more children means more workforce in the haciendas; more children means more workers for say the Chinese shops and the like; more children means more elements to serve the military establishment; more children offers false hope for a better life for parents by the time these children could work for a living; the big BUT however is, these children have to suffer hunger first before they could be old enough to work. good if it is only their muscles and bones that would be affected. what about their consciousness? the heavy outflow of overseas workers (menial jobs even) from our country only show us that the resources including the moral values of our country is now compromised. how long could the resources of the countries they, together with the similarly situated groups, immigrate into, accommodate the influx? there is no hope other than everyone understand the reality of it all, the earth is not growing and could only handle so much population. logical control is imperative. otherwise, naturally, logically, without a doubt annihilation is the only way remaining, whether we like it or not. my apologies if your day is ruined by these stinking reality. Jun | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1018 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Best Greetings to All The concept of "annihilation" among the Human Population comes from the INSTINCT level into the consciousness. The INSTINCT level is that at which the Animals operate in Nature. The Animals understand population control instinctively, that when their resources are low, they procreate less. By Instinct, they will move to areas where resources are more abundant. However, if there are no alternative resources, they will then die-off. The other Animals do not go to the aid of those which are starving, dying from lack of resources. It is in the Natural Order, that the BALANCE is maintained in Nature. That such INSTINCT is arising into the consciousness of Humans, is a sign of Awareness that our own Human kind is OUT-OF-BALANCE. When Instinct predominates in the actions of Human Beings, the Logical Thinking and Reason become "second-fiddle" in the affairs of Society. The principal concepts of Morality are forgotten, the teachings of Morality are failed to be passed down to the younger generations. Results of this are the increase in Children having babies, gang warfare, mass migrations, increased crimes of all kinds, people shut themselves off from one-another, death (and "annihilation") are ignored or accepted. The Social Order breaks down. The only solution to reverse the fallback to the Instinct level, is for Truth to be spread and known among the Human Beings of Earth. The document: To Concerned People, as posted in #996 above, is intended by Billy to present the Truth of the situation to the Human Beings of Earth. It becomes OUR DUTY to make this known to as many people as possible. Our Responsibility now becomes more clear. The Truth is in our hands, to be made known among our fellow Human Beings -- to our neighbors, to strangers in distant lands, to those which would assume leadership within the Social organizations of all Human endeavors. Truth Must Come Before Peace Salome ***** TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 191 Registered: 06-2008 |
Jun: Thank you for the clarification. I knew you didn’t mean to say annihilation as a solution, but rather as an effect of overpopulation. I just wanted to make sure I understood correctly. You said it so well; many countries want children because they see them as work force, soldiers, consumers, etc…The Philippines was dominated by Spain until the Spanish war with the USA and things didn’t get much better after that either. You can tell me your personal opinion in another post if you want. But you really made me think that it is very ironic that third world countries, being the victims of colonies have not turned things for good after their independence. Many victims of oppression had become victimizers in their own countries with the purpose of exploding their people. It is one more human paradox. Salome, Marcela. | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 01-2009 |
greetings Marcela, thank you for your understanding. corruption and decay has gotten so deep and wide. may those in the quagmire of religions, get a clear understanding and acceptance of the Creational Directives and spiritual teachings thru the Prophet of the aquarian age, Billy. Jun | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 472 Registered: 10-2005 |
Most of the worlds' problems are due to overpopulation. Today is the day for peace meditation where we have a chance to meditate for peace rather than focus on wars or disharmony... To me it is far more interesting: making our lives beautiful and well worth living... rather than the constant depressing battle between good and evil... The birth stop is the right direction... | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 292 Registered: 07-2008 |
Appeal to the members of the forum Two days ago, a fellow human, who signed our petition - seeking to promote awareness on the tremendous threat of overpopulation and to advocate a world wide democratic and scientific birth control - left the following comment: "After you sign, be sure to run this by other people you know. The number of signatures as of my signing is 648. What a weak number! We need some zeros on the end of that number... like... 648,000,000 ! At least we know we can get that many signatures! And I'm sure Earth baby would love us for it." ( http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Petition ) One can only agree with this assessment. Friends, This issue is urgent and we do not have much time left. The huge problems related to overpopulation are growing by the day, and so is the already unreasonably huge number of fellow humans on this extremely weary planet. Our caring friend, Eduard, reminds us ceaselessly and patiently of this situation and of our responsibilities - the last time i know of, being in FIGU Sonder Bulletin 49. I am thus taking the liberty to call to you to support us in this endeavour. If for one or another reason, you can not stand by our stance - by signing the petition - do then please help us promote it. Draw attention to it; do post the petition and the video highlighting our message( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RYGwsF4dT4 : courtesy of Barreto ) at your websites, blogs...; other forums you belong to; forward them to newspapers, radio and Tv stations... Salome. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 07-2009 |
Perhaps a hopeful sign: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/6161742/Contraception-cheapest-way-to-combat-climate-change.html | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 146 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi all, Phenix is right. The more Humans on Earth the more of the following increases: - Food and water consumption - Food and water shortages - Forests and natural fields are destroyed for more housing and industry - More pollution of land, river and sea's through the increased chemicals produced for items some of which can be found in everyones home, IE dishwasher tablets, spray cans, cleaning fluids - More cars and other fossil fuel burning machines being used, including coal power stations - The weight of enormous cities on the tectonic plates, causing more Earthquakes and fracturing of the tectonic plates. - More wars and fighting over land and resources - More waste from houses and industry pumped into sea's and rivers or land fill sites - The un-balancing of the climate and weather systems through the destruction of the natural environment. Including the destruction of the Ozone. And the list goes on and on. My new Website address - www.ufofacts.co.cc | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 293 Registered: 07-2008 |
Good day, Precisely Stephen_moore: the logic here is unshakeable. 'Future of Mankind', for that matter, says it all: * Fewer people = smaller petroleum demand = less carbon dioxide/monoxide produced by cars and industry * Fewer people = reduced food demand = fewer trees cut down for farmland (e.g. Brazilian rainforest) * Fewer people = reduced demand for everything which results in a reduced price/cost for everything (housing, energy, food) * We are already causing climate change, species are going extinct and people are starving to death en masse which means that the population is obviously already too high. We just need to agree on a number to humanly reduce it to. ( http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Talk:Petition_For_Controlled_Birth_Stop ) Thanks, Michael; it is indeed pretty difficult to keep sleeping, when one's bed in shaking so vigorously! The link you provided has been added to our 'arsenal', here: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12538&page=7 Salome. | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi All Today I have spent several hours looking for info on the internet which would be help full in getting people aware and understanding some of the various problems of Overpopulation. I have created a page which is only a draft version at the moment. http://www.ufofacts.co.cc/overpopulation2.htm Im going to tidy it up in the next few days and add my own words to it, then incorperate it into my website and possibly futureofmankind.co.uk. If anyone has any info or would like to contribute to this page then contact me at this link - http://www.ufofacts.co.cc/Contact%20Me.htm I dont give out my E Mail address publicly anymore for reasons I wont go into here. Thanks My new Website address - www.ufofacts.co.cc | ||
Peacelovefreedom Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 04-2008 |
Hi, All, Would anyone tell me how Billy and his friends figure out the maximum number of population, 529 million, on the Earth? I can see if I tell my friends, that is going to be a big question. Let me know the formula and data that they input, so that we can all calculate. In addition, if you find some scientists on the Earth explaining this number, please let me know. | ||
Sanjin Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 06-2009 |
Peacelovefreedom, The number was transmitted from Arahat Athersata, a higher spiritual plane. There is no simple formula for this, but requires an enormously high consciousness for the calculation. There are billions upon billions of factors that would go into the formula and must take into account every single life form on Earth and their circumstances. But if I had to sum it all up, it would come from the law of love, namely: "...the absolute wise comprehension, understanding, cognition, knowledge, ability, mastering and logic and certainty, as well as the feelings and feeling, and the absolute perception of one’s own co-life in the life of the next person and in all else that exists, as a factor of the communion, in original form, with all existing life in all entire universal forms and beyond, in the absolute wisdom of this: that ones’ own existence is also a part-existence of any other existing life-form, which is however, just as exactly a fragment of one’s own existence, and that collectively the entire universal life-forms, of every kind and form, only exist because it truly is so that, everything and anything is bound together in love and forms one entire universal oneness." Note also that we, as an overpopulated species, are being hateful not only to ourselves, but to every life form on the planet. 36.The human is another person, when, surrounded by the rays of the heavenly creational sunrise, the pure delight of awakening nature streams through him. | ||
Sanjin Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 06-2009 |
I would like to correct myself in stating that AA named a number of 500 million, which is probably a certain approximation, that allows for more than enough freedom of movement, nourishment, expression, etc. for everyone. It is basically the optimal number where life would/will flourish. The number also varies depending on the current circumstances of the planet. Maybe someone else knows who set the number of 529 million. 36.The human is another person, when, surrounded by the rays of the heavenly creational sunrise, the pure delight of awakening nature streams through him. | ||
Sanjin Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 06-2009 |
Moderator!!! Could you please just edit my previous post and add this: In the book Arahat Athersata it states that the number can/should be calculated as follows: For each square-kilometer of arable/fruitful land, there should be no more than 12 persons. Click here for the German excerpt 36.The human is another person, when, surrounded by the rays of the heavenly creational sunrise, the pure delight of awakening nature streams through him. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 491 Registered: 08-2004 |
This figure is said to be calculated basically on the amount of arable land throughout the world. Assuming Sanjin's 12 people per kilometer is accurate, 529 million people works out to just over 44 million sq kms of arable land for our planet. According to Wiki answers <http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=how+many+arable+sq+kilometeres+are+there+on+earth%3f&gwp=13> there are about 15.75 million sq kms of arable land on our planet. So there is a difference between what -- I thought it was the Plejaren -- calculate as arable land and what our specialists are saying. The Plejaren are giving us 3X more, which is a very sizable difference. The difference could well come from how each respectively defines arable land and I'm not sure that the Plejaren actually used the word "arable", perhaps "supportive of life" or some such. Previous posts in this thread probably have their actual wording somewhere. I seem to remember reading it in the last year. Chris Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either. | ||
Sanjin Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 06-2009 |
I just looked at wikipedia and it states double than that. Here is their quote: "In geography, arable land (from Latin arare, to plough) is an agricultural term, meaning land that can be used for growing crops.[1] It is distinct from cultivated land and includes jungles that are not currently used for human purposes. Arable land covers an area of approximately 12 million square miles (31 million square kilometres)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arable_land This is the sentence and additional relevant information:  36.The human is another person, when, surrounded by the rays of the heavenly creational sunrise, the pure delight of awakening nature streams through him. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 492 Registered: 08-2004 |
Sanjin, Thank you. Wikipedia's figure is probably the more correct. I found that wording the question differently at WikiAnswers brought the same answer as Wikipedia, 31,000,000. There was very little detail at WikiAnswers so the 15 mill answer was probably by someone who didn't really know. Who among our "experts" actually does, especially in these youthful Wikis? Anyway I added a note to WikiAnswers suggesting the 15 mill answer seems incorrect and that 31,000,000 is the more likely figure as it is referenced in both Wikipedia and elsewhere at Answers.com aka WikiAnswers. Thanks again. Chris Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either. | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 09-2007 |
In conclusion, one who uses the arable land figures to estimate how large the world population can be is one who is willing to eliminate from the face of the Earth every single plant that does not lead itself to human consumption or use, and every single form of life that depends on it. Yes, certainly we'd have much to gain from such an exchange... David | ||
Sanjin Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 06-2009 |
After a good night of sleep, I realized that if the population of Earth would be decreased, the amount of arable land would increase. I'm not sure how to approximate the amount of available land at a population of 500 million, but one has to take into account that all the cities and industries and pollution and destruction of land would be reduced significantly. But let's say that the amount of arable land is increased by 2-3 times, then the calculation comes out to be just right. It also gives you a good perspective of just how overpopulated we are. 36.The human is another person, when, surrounded by the rays of the heavenly creational sunrise, the pure delight of awakening nature streams through him. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 493 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi David, The Plejaren are not just thinking of human consumption when calculating how many can live and how much "arable" land is necessary. As Sanjin, I think it was who pointed out, there are numerous factors involved. Just one being the amount of oxygen and other gasses needed for a healthy planet, and human existence. Not all of the calculated land will be cultivated for human consumption. We need forests and their habitats too, and much more. These are all included in the equation to arrive at the final figure. These natural ecosystems keep the planet healthy. This is one reason why I stated that "arable" might not be the appropriate word. It is overpopulation that then requires humans to over use the available land for their food production -- when they start throwing out and destroying everything that doesn't help them directly stay alive -- and they then increasingly invade the natural habitats that we need to keep not just ourselves but the entire planet and all life on it healthy and natural. Chris Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 272 Registered: 06-2008 |
Chris. "As Sanjin, I think it was who pointed out, there are numerous factors involved. Just one being the amount of oxygen and other gasses needed for a healthy planet, and human existence." From a starting oxygen level of about 34% we are now down to about 17% being just over the minimum of 15% required for human life to continue ..... So already it's getting quite close to critical. Cheers. | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 09-2007 |
Hello Chris; I understand, and agree with your comment. I was just thinking about those who think that we are OK because there is still some distance from that limit dictated by the amount of arable land (which corresponds to the horrible prospect of having the entire planet converted into either cities, factories or farmlands) David | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 341 Registered: 06-2006 |
as many of you would have already found when researching this topic for yourselves, there are many good books and documents detailing the issues for sustainability in the future, which of course includes overpopulation but is not limited to. Here is a link to a book free to download or read online, that seems to cover many of the issues with some ideas for solutions, for those who have not already found it: Plan B 3.0: Mobilizing to Save Civilization Lester R. Brown http://www.earthpolicy.org/index.php?/books/pb3/pb3_table_of_contents There are some very good issues and points raised imo. Robyn |
