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    Tobi Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 06-2009 |
Smukhuti I think it is all a matter of the past now,and people should be directed to the figu site rightaway, so they can be informed about who is dishonest as quickly as possible,otherwise they spread info not mastering the material and that should not happen with the teachings, this is also because of the codex the hidden force in Billy,s books. The time is over to mess with the teachings it has evolved to perfection now. Enjoy....... Tobi | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 06-2009 |
Tobi, Yes, in this age of information, especially when Billy is writing his own message, further falsification is almost impossible. | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 07-2009 |
Well I lisentened to those tapes once and its not like I intend to listen to them again, or even need too. But how do you begin to try to weed out or forget everything you heard in those 32 tapes collection? That was a long time ago since I heard those tapes and since then I read/studied a whole lot more here as well as elsewhere such as Guido's book as so forth. | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 07-2009 |
I don't know where to post a question about a question that was put to billy so I will place it here as it is about the P's. Hallo Billy Herzliche Grüsse How did Sfath already know about the secret surrounding you (= you are the bearer of nokodemjon's spirit form) while the other Ischwischs who later contacted you (Semjase, Quetzal, Ptaah) couldnt unveil that secret for 14 years (1975-1989). Seems like "he was smarter" than the others...(no offense intended). Did he receive help/hints from the High Council to discover the secret? Sfath was capable/able to get access to Henok’s storage banks, at least partially, and to „draw“ some information from there. No, the High Council was not involved. Why didn't Sfath tell the others about this incredible news when he knew or suspected it? Do the P's believe in keeping secrets or something? I mean I can't see how it could have been because it would/could have jeapodised the mission in any way because the P's are experts at keeping secrets from Billy. | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 07-2009 |
As well as why do the P's keep secrets from each other, I liked to ask a few more questions if I may about Billy's/Nokodemjon's spirit and other things. How many ET civilisations would know or care that Nokodemjon's spirit is here on Earth conducting the Prophets role? Isn't his spirit a big deal to follow? The P's get some of their spirit teachings from him so wouldn't there be other ET's out there, possibly many, that might be coming here and taking back with them all of Billy's spirit teaching books? | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 509 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Darren, I know the answer to your question, it can be extracted from Sfath's explanation in 1942: 153. Their information regarding your person and the origin of your spirit form will, on the basis of their own learning needs, however, not be complete, subsequently, they must first arduously work out this information, whereby it cannot be ruled out that they will often make mistakes which they will have to make efforts to correct. 154. And in this regard you will have to be the intervening and helpful power, in order to also teach them. 155. This instruction will, however, still expand when, through it, the knowledge is first gained about what importance is attached to your person, and that this importance also leads back to all your earlier personalities of earlier lives. 156. However, you are not permitted to speak about that and must keep your secret - which I will still explain to you at a later point in time - until the time has arrived that my successors have uncovered the secret. 157. Also, in regard to the members of your group, you should always be silent about all things until the time is ripe to reveal new cognitions or secrets and, indeed, the need for silence is all the same no matter what it relates to. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/gaiaguys/meier.v1p11-20.htm If you read the entire document many things will become clearer to you...Regards | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 07-2009 |
Thanks for that Hector. That cleared many things up. I must have missed reading that contact. May I ask about the other question in regards to wether or not you think there might be a number of ET's civilsations (no association to mission) coming here purely for the purpose of taking back with them Billy's spirit teaching books? | ||
Tobi Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 06-2009 |
related to the pleiarens i think they have a mutch more accurate astrology then we have , and when we have a horoscope dont we ponder about meaning / questions too? but ofcaurce the wisdom over ages of time will make them respect freedom but also the planetari and solar absolutes mayby? I think that from the moment of incarnation absolutes are reality and its a living growing evolution of mind The silent revolution of truth call it a secret, keep it Tobi | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 510 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Darren Billy Meier also writes spirit lessons for the Plejaren spiritual leaders. These spirit lessons for the plejaren and confederates are much more sophisticated and at a higher level than our spirit teachings. We are attending high college while they are attending university, so to speak. Our lessons are simpler, because we are in a stage where we have to get rid of religions and consciousness enslavement, while the plejaren do not know either of the two.... If a foreign space travelling civilization was seeking spirit teachings and looking for spiritual advice, i guess they would contact the plejaren and their confederates instead of contacting Billy Meier. To the eyes of an extraterrestrial visitor, it is not advisable to contact earth human beings, because we earth humans are still very primitive, barbaric, aggressive, confused and led by pure material values. Also, if Billy was visited by ET's who do not belong to the plejaren federation, he would have written or spoken about it.... Remember this is my own interpretation of your question, not Billy Meiers opinion, nor the plejarens. | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 07-2009 |
Thanks Tobi and Hector. Yes I was aware Billy writes spirit lessons for the Plejaren. I was thinking along the lines of interested ET parties in Billy books would just buy them instead of getting in contact with him to get them. I think i remember reading the P's said the ET civilsation closest to us (4 light years) is just above our technology level and have been coming here for while collecting food/seeds to take back with them. They are not involved in the mission, (not sure if they ever communicated with the P's.) I assume their spirit level wouldn't be much above ours so wouldn't they be candidate for Billys books? | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 07-2009 |
A Hyperthetical question. If the civilization closest to us found out about the P's after discovering the Meier material, and this primitive civilization compared to the P's (spirit/tech) contacted Billy to ask him to ask the P's if they could contact them because their leaders/society wants to say formal hello and become friends with the P's and all that, what chance is there that the P's could snob them because of their high spirit level compared to them (around 30 million years) If no, would the P's send a representative to meet their leader and say hello or would it be Ptaah? | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1032 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hi Darren, You have asked a VERY GOOD question. Would the Plejarens make contact with the Humans on Akart? IMO, yes, but then again, this is only opinion. There is no reason NOT to do so. The Akartians being so Over-Populated as they are, could use some guidance. This would be a good question for Billy in the next round. Salome ***** TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 230 Registered: 04-2007 |
interesting which contact note does it say for the closest civilization at 4 lightyears away. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 714 Registered: 03-2004 |
The P's already have contact on one of the planets 4 or 5 light years away = because Semjase mentioned knowing friends there (not sure if it was Acart o= r not). patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 07-2009 |
Hi Rod, The P's are only here on earth because they have to to be here (kind of) or else its obvious I think that they do not like dealing at all with people at our low vibration levels. I think they'd stay clear of them. Also if the P's communicate with us in 800 years time, I think that can't be seen as them wanting to see us, but more check up. Hi Syn, I don't know where I read that, and/or how much of that i got correct too. | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 127 Registered: 04-2006 |
I find the vibrational levels of humans to be an interesting subject, especially with regard to the effect we would have on the P's as well as how their energies would draw us like magnets because of our attraction to the harmony of creation around them. Here's a segment of the 1988 interview with BEAM, this is the answer to the unasked question right after question #11 at- http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Interview_with_Billy_(1988) [When on Earth, the Pleiadians find themselves assaulted by the basic and crude vibrations of Earth humans, which can cause unanticipated consequences to the space travelers' bodies and lives. Moreover, the Pleiadians would be considered irresistible magnets by Earth humans, who, because of the strong attraction, could fall into total servitude and dependency upon them.] Then a couple paragraphs later- [Earthlings have not yet developed the appropriate attributes that would provide them with the required strength to counteract complete surrender to the Pleiadians, who enjoy far superior spirit levels. However, by surrendering to the Extraterrestrials in this manner, Earth humans would become complete strangers within their own environment and would be, therefore, unable to survive on Earth.] I do remember reading something mentioned about earth humans being taken to Erra could be enhanced to higher vibrational levels by the P's so they could live there. One thought that has occupied me a bit is this question, and this may have been already discussed on the forum and please advise if so, how is BEAM able to handle us humans of a much lower vibration and spiritual evolution as he, as indicated in the Meier materiel, is much more highly evolved that the P's? Peace, Matthew Beattie | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 286 Registered: 06-2008 |
Greetings Matt. Well to that line of pondering you might add the seeming dilema as to how Asket who is far beyond the various P characters is able to interact with ordinary humans seemingly without effort or harm. Recall her regular visits to the ashram in India where Billy stayed, her trips into the past with Billy and the gruff wanderer they met. So unless she had some vibration cancelling device on her belt it must be .... a state of mind which determines this. However there are limits and probably even Billy might become a little nauseous if say Kal Korf or his holiness were to approach his vicinity. Cheers. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 513 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Ramirez i read in the contact notes that Asket's protection device was different than those of the Plejaren, more sophisticated, so it granted a bit more protection and safety...The p's did not emulate/copy the Timmers technology because design and operation of both devices were quite incompatible... Asket's civilization was a bit ahead of the plejaren in terms of science and technology, but a bit behind in matters related to the spirit, creation and its laws and commandments. | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 03-2008 |
"could fall into total servitude and dependency upon them." I wouldn't fall into servitude and dependency upon them, what are you talking about? Adrian. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1043 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Adysor, You will have to read the full section from which that Quote is derived. IMO, it means what it says -- that The Human Beings of Earth, with a lessor developed Spirituality, would be drawn to the Plejarens at a higher level of Spirituality. The Earth Humans would even be willing to subjugate themselves to the Plejarens (as those today which subjugate themselves to popes, gurus, and the like). Such subjugation, servitude, and dependency would further retard the Earth Humans own Spiritual Evolution. Such Spiritual Evolution requires one to make the mistakes and learn from them, to STRIVE for ones' self to learn the Laws of Creation. The KEY here is the Self-Responsibility for ones' own life and the path it takes while in the Material body. So take yourself by the hand, and go down your own chosen path, wherever your own knowledge and inclination will lead. Salome ***** TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 07-2009 |
Hi Hector, If the Timmers are ahead of the P's in spirit level, then how come the P's aren't able to recall every spoken word they ever said in their life, like the Timmers can? "I do remember reading something mentioned about earth humans being taken to Erra could be enhanced to higher vibrational levels by the P's so they could live there." Hi Matthew, Is that the same process as when the P's inject high IQ (genius) hormones/stuff into a person's brain who a Plejaren wanted to marry and take back to their homeworld. I think that was in Guido's book. | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 07-2009 |
Correction - If the P's are ahead of the Timmers in spirit level,... | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 287 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Hector. Quote. "Asket's civilization was a bit ahead of the plejaren in terms of science and technology, but a bit behind in matters related to the spirit, creation and its laws and commandments." Well perhaps here you might take another look at some of those contact notes and wonder to yourself why Sfath handed over the instruction of Billy to Asket after admitting he had taught him all that he could .... apart from the known fact that Billy responds more favourably to the presence of ET females than males .... except maybe Quetzal. Sure Sfath was getting on though you might also ask this. Why was Semjase sent to live with the Timar to recover after her accident .... advanced instruction, rest, a holiday, better medical care, what exactly ? What have the Timar that is lacking with the Plejaran ? Cheers. |
