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Ramirez
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Post Number: 33
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 02:15 am: | 
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J_rod7.
"From the Hindu tradition: [ "The god-figure Lord Krishna, the 9th incarnation of the Hindu god Vishnu had 16,108 wives which were his most sincere devotees." ] -** "
Hi Rod.
So what quality of relationship did the good lord Vishnu provide for these wives .... and their children ?
The reality is superstition, caste and gender based discrimination, poverty exists in great abundance throughout India.
It's reassuring Lord Vishnu had a great time with his harem but weren't there more pressing social dilemas on his agenda ? |
Creational
Member
Post Number: 194
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 05:24 am: |
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Polygamy…
(From a female point of view)
While I was working fast and hard on trying to fix the Farsi translation of the petition about overpopulation, to possibly help prevent humanity on earth with self destruction, urging people to sign for a birth stop for seven years, ironically, a heated and controversial debate over the practice of polygamy within the plejaren started here in the forum. frankly, with what’s going on earth presently, Pleyaren would probably encourage us to stop marrying and procreating instead of this particular practice of polygamy, but that is another issue.
Due to the law of duality, There is truly two side to this issue. a private, personal and gender specific part and then there is a social , legal, general aspect.
Do we have the issue of overpopulation now due to prohibition of polygamy?
When polygamy was legal back in the days, Did we have issue of overpopulation?
I am a female, and this unilateral allowance, seems, at least, superficially, an unfair grant to my opposite sex and restriction against my gender type. so, presumably natural negative feedback is expected from me, even from myself. But I really want to be honest in dealing with issues, at least objectively from now on.
Lets suppose that there were no man made laws here on earth such as marriage, divorce, polygamy, etc.
Lets also suppose that we were not technologically advanced to figure the DNA of the father.
And last but not least, let’s assume, we were aware of spiritual teachings, creational and natural laws.
We know that the main purpose of the creation is to expand and evolve through us. It is then safe to assume that for this very reason, the well being of the children, both spiritually and physically prioritize that of both parents. Normal, and decent parents attest to this natural instinct.
Lets assume, a women mates with many different men at the same time but by nature she is merely capable of getting impregnated by only one of those many males. ( no DNA testing to find out either)
Naturally, and with no confusion, the mother of the unborn child is definitely that woman, but who can really determine who the father is?
the women, is the only one that may be able to guess who the real father is only if she was not practicing multiple male intercourse at once, (the guys in this scenario are also all similar in skin color and race, so it is not obvious to figure it out by the physical similarities.)
Is this female’s practice, fair to the well being of the child whom the purpose of mating was created for his/her procreation, thus facilitating the evolvement of creation?
Factor out all the media/society created emotions of lust/jealousy and so on, out of this picture and remember, you were that baby once entitle to the knowledge of who your real parents were.
In the case of polygamy, and strictly due to the nature of male, this confusion will never be the case. It is then logically and naturally impossible to confuse the father, this did not even happen in the case of Mary, Emmanuel’s mom.
We were all born into a human made, make believe marketed world totally alienated from nature, with an assumption that emotionally this will make the women suffer, while we really never have experienced otherwise. It is then hypocritical to truly judge it. Guess what, since we are the creator of our realities, both on a personal and social level, that created reality may have replaced facts and natural truth.
The bombardment of super or mega valuing the emotions has confused our basic common scene, in my opinion.
Think about the seeds of the tree that is spread by the wind to create more trees. The level of evolution of the tree is limited, there is no need for the next tree to know who it’s father and mother were. The tree has a very limited , and specific reason different from humans to be here as a tool of creation to perfect itself, only through our evolution. Let us look at things as they are naturally and not as we want them to be and have created them for ourselves accordingly.
We were brought up with soap operas such as Payton Place, Days of Our Lives and Lassie, the movies, and nowadays, the Desperate Housewives. they have set our standards , and not the true natural/creational laws and directives.
On a personal level, I am honest to tell you that I would probably feel emotionally hurt if my husband had another wife; and will not show him this post either,(lol), having had brought up in this society and at this spiritual level. but let me also be honest and tell you that we have not been honest in creating our realities according to the truth.
Pleyaren do not polish the facts for us to impress us, they say it like it is, and leave it to us to decide, may be because the god concept failed too many times, it is time for us to unmask the truth silently.
Sorry for the long post. However, this subject matter truly needs a book in addition of some super advanced spirits. We’ll slowly get there.
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Jamesm
Member
Post Number: 130
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 03:57 pm: |
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Don't forget that the Erran women (and men) each get their own house/dome, land and technology and energy requirements so the wives would not be invading each others' space.
Also another point to remember is that a woman having only 1 husband in this life could be a man in the next life (having multiple wives) therefore it is totally fair in that sense.
Personally, I think polygamy is an advanced practice for the spiritually advanced only. Something to consider after the overpopulation problem has been solved. Perhaps in 500 years.
Regards
James G. T. Moore
Webmaster www.futureofmankind.co.uk
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Edward
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Post Number: 1320
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 01:52 am: |
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Hi Mark and All....
Very well said, Mark.
It IS indeed, AGAINST our (Man Made Earthly...) Laws! Which contradicts every
aspects Creation represents.
And as James explains, it: it is all an Evolution matter, - Spiritual -, if
you will. Our Earthly False Cult Religion Belief, has torn us away from TRUE
Creational Values and Way Of BEING, alas. And that within some 500 years...do,
regain ourselves back within the framework of Creational Laws. [What did the
Beach Boys once sing: "TWO girls for every boy".....; not bad!]
Edward. |
Schantz
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 07:04 am: |
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/02/25/galaxy.planets.kepler/index.html |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 36
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 11:07 am: |
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Ask yourselves why there is a need for females to be disadvanteged in a particular lifetime or at all ?
Also ask yourselves if it's really logical that any unfairness eventually balances out as everyone must cycle through female incarnations ?
Isn't it being responsible & progressive as a race to gradually eliminate societal disfunction, gender based discrimination & inequality.
Off course if you view polygamy as normal, acceptable or even desirable there's no point asking yourselves anything other than when will an opportunity present itself.
Creational.
"On a personal level, I am honest to tell you that I would probably feel emotionally hurt if my husband had another wife;"
Thankyou.
For anyone involved it's personal and emotional.
For others it's abstract or intellectual. |
J_rod7
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Post Number: 663
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 04:02 pm: |
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We all come Together Here in Peace,
Zhila,
Your heartfelt post, 'from the woman's point-of-view', has touched the strings of my own heart. It resonates with me.
"...with an assumption that emotionally this will make the women suffer, while we really never have experienced otherwise. It is then hypocritical to truly judge it."
I would have to say - such assumptions are the false constructs of the old paradigms. Before these paradigms of a 'fallen people,' there was a Golden Age of Mankind in which the Man and the Woman were in equal status - as Leaders, Warriors, Pilots, Providers, Council members, &c. Recognized as Equal in Spirit. This Golden Age ended with the final destruction of Atlantis.
Some remembered then. Some tried futilely to keep the ideas alive. The hardships of the Regeneration the Human Races, took Humankind down into the most basic survival mode. Some among us reincarnating now still remember.
If we consider the cyclic Ages of Humanity from the perspective of the Hindu Vedas, The great cycle of 26,000-years, Earth has recently left an Iron Age to enter now into a new Bronze Age. The Iron Age was characterized by much ignorance, inhumanity, diseases, and senseless bloodshed.
The Bronze Age we are now in, is an age of increasing enlightenment, advances in sciences, exploration, and growing Spiritual awareness. This Age will be followed by the new Silver Age. Then again we enter into a new Golden Age. So say the Vedas.
"Guess what, since we are the creator of our realities, both on a personal and social level, that created reality may have replaced facts and natural truth."
Truth has come once again to all Humans on Earth. Our common responsibility is to see Truth go forward. This we can do by allowing Spiritual Truth to grow within ourselves - each and every one of us.
Thank you for sharing.
Salome
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You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Borthwey
Member
Post Number: 81
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 04:21 pm: |
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There is I think, another aspect regarding the Plejaren’s view on relationships and marriage. Most of the inhabitants of Erra have very old spirit forms and thus, have been able to process their male and female aspects to a fine degree, through countless incarnations as individuals of both sexes. One result of this is an increased perception of each other, first and foremost as a sexually neutral spirit within a male/female body.
I find possible that this differentiation between the identity and the sex of the individual creates a certain distance and neutrality which has led them to simply organize relationships based on rationalizations on what may be the most natural and/or efficient models.
So the concept of marriage is imagined as the best way for individuals to play Nature’s game, regardless of their sex.
What I am referring to here is the legal and social institution of marriage as the background for having children. There are I believe, no restrictions against having sex without marriage. And since their definition of adultery is “sex without love” I have no idea if their practice/concept is one of “open marriage” or not.
Can it be considered that women are disadvantaged because polygamy exists legally?
Not if it only entered into voluntarily. Even on Earth, in countries where it is legalized, a woman may see the husband’s “acquisition” of another wife as betrayal and leave him because of it.
Anyway, I am not discussing whether polygamy should be implemented; I am just trying to understand its occurrence in a society which is so different from ours, in ways that can only (or can’t even) be imagined.
David
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Creational
Member
Post Number: 195
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 02:27 am: |
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Dear members,
By the way, there are four pertaining definitions;
Polygamy: practice of each person having more than one spouse.
Polygyny: one man having more than one wife.
Polyandry: one woman having more than one husband.
Monogamy: practice of each person having one spouse.
Dear Rod,
You wrote;
"...in which the Man and the Woman were in equal status - as Leaders, Warriors, Pilots, Providers, Council members, &c. Recognized as Equal in Spirit.”
With your permission, and to confirm and humbly complete the well written above spiritual truth and to make it whole, the counter part to the spirit can be added with emphasis on its profound difference;
…the man and the woman…recognized as equal in spirit, while logically and truthfully recognized as equal in absolute value but opposite in polarity and sign; in physical form and body. This makes them numerically unequal. In matters concerning the physical realm one has no choice but to think numerically.
Analogically speaking, most of us may be measuring volume with a yard stick; some components or tools are missing to measure the whole.
Human being has two components; the spiritual and the physical.
1. Spiritual part, which is the tiny part of genderless, side-less, and the polarity-less Creation, does not need the equal but opposite to be complete. It is complete.
2. Physical part of us, on the other hand has to have the opposite side by law to function. Such as; night/day, up/down, bad/good, male/female, confusion/clarity and so on.
If Mr. Night suddenly decides to be Mrs. Day, disaster may inevitably arise.
The mighty Creation's flawless design and physical function of a man and women is opposite while equally important. It has to be or chaos replaces order. Again, I emphasize, they are just as equally important for the expansion and evolution of the universe.
As Scott, wisely pointed out, it has to do with negative and positive. As a matter of fact, scientifically analyzing, all the inevitable physical dualities have to do with their inescapable polarities. In the spiritual realm, or the creational part of us, however, polarity is not a determining factor.
Again, factoring out and eliminating the trendy but temporary laws of land, natural guidelines actually tip, enforce, direct and sometimes may even command things that differ between man and woman. Pregnancy, Childbearing, breastfeeding, physical powerfulness, and yes, allowance of polygamy in the form of Polygyny while restriction or possible disagreement to polyandry in an otherwise either too primitive or highly spiritually advanced society may be one of them; As James pointed out in his post.
(Please, see my last post for the one of the many logics behind the naturally wrongfulness of polyandry.However, in such advanced society, this may also be left as a choice, no matter how un-natural it is proven to be.)
Let me ask all of you this;
is it then reasonable and natural or emotionally sound for men to resent their incapability to become pregnant and genetically alter it, and then enforce it as the law of land?
Or, instead, is it better to leave decision such as polygyny up to the two individual involved to freely make on their own, without redirecting the societal trends?
I realize that this is an over exaggerated comparison but it is something to think about for an observer trying to be truly honest and unbiased.
I will continue on my next post.
Salome,
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Creational
Member
Post Number: 196
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 03:15 am: |
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Dear member Ramirez,
You stated;
“Isn't it being responsible & progressive as a race to gradually eliminate societal dysfunction, gender based discrimination & inequality.”
My question to you is what have we really progressed ourselves into, or out of, lately?
Everything considered, the laws of lands and humanity have failed us so far and may be taking us to a degenerative future, the way things are
progressing.
If my gender rights are being protected by way of such freedom and equality to degenerates such as Ms. Paris Hilton, then as a woman I ask you to take this kind of freedom away for the sake of my daughter and my daughter's daughter and so on.
The standard measurement here on earth is totally chaotic and upside down, for this very reason our present societal functions are taking us straight to deterioration.
I have to tell you, Your point of view, and specially your intentions are admirable, and I suspect, in a society that polygyny is allowed, you may not even practice it; just as I may not practice either forms of polygamy.
But, sometimes, when we go backward in trying to prevent a monster, we may fall of the cliff not observing the both sides. Lots of unidirectional and purely materialistic laws nowadays have created bright scholars to confuse facts from fictions, trying to prevent discrimination. Best example for this is the elephant in the room by the name of overpopulation. Wrongly directed emotional considerations might have actually led us to this cancerous disease.
It is time to re-evaluate our laws and in the interim, utilize nature to rewrite them.
Beautifully stated and hyper emotionally charged statements have driven warriors to their deadly battlegrounds. It is time to use logic, natural, reasonable observation and laws to truly evolve.
I hope I have not offended any of the member's point of views, specially your very delicate and considerate ones, or any male whom, ironically, for the sake of protection of the physically weaker counter part, may be putting a bit too much emphasis to this allowance by Billy and Pleraren.
Dear Norm,
Please, Comfortably spread the Goblet of Truth and let the ladies decide on their own if eons from now, they are willing to put up with this seemingly unequal grant, while enjoying the other 99.9999999% of the obviously sound directive of nature and creation. in my personal opinion, this is how one grants true freedom, the choice to be entirely natural and creational bound.
Best Regards,
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 665
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 11:37 am: |
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*****
Greetings All in Peace
LOVE is the Key for any of this to have transcending value.
Polygamy: practice of each person having more than one spouse.
Polygyny: one man having more than one wife.
Polyandry: one woman having more than one husband.
Monogamy: practice of each person having one spouse.
In any or all forms of Union between the Polar Opposites in the material form = there must be love in equal measure. Any such union which is forced, whether by man's law or tribal 'custom,' has no basis in LOVE, and will generate only misery and despair.
Only when each such Polar Opposites = the Man AND the Woman = are expressed in LOVE, CO-GENERATED FROM BOTH should any such union be acceptable. It is the genuine love which transcends both the Material and Spiritual.
When such genuine love is co-generated, the power in the bond is greater than the 'sum-of-it's-parts.'
The laws which must prevail here, should be only the natural laws of Creation.
Salome
*****
You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 39
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 12:37 pm: |
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Dear member Zhila.
You wrote.
"My question to you is what have we really progressed ourselves into, or out of, lately?
Everything considered, the laws of lands and humanity have failed us so far and may be taking us to a degenerative future, the way things are progressing."
Some persons influenced by considerations & desires not connected to realities facilitated by your state of consciousness have guided humanity through a series of manipulations towards this situation.
They will offer solutions on their terms to prevent a total collapse of society as we know it. What happens next is undecided.
When I arrive here again in some hundreds of years as possibly a female I do not wish for there to be in the hands of any secular authorities or cleric a booklet entitled Goblet Of Truth containing guidelines for legal authority to dictate that it is my obligation to become a second or third wife by force of decree or for my daughters to be placed in that situation.
What happens now and will continue to be so is that historical written works (selectively interpreted) often form a legal justification for dysfunction & inequality in addition to beneficial advancement & enlightenment.
Knowing human nature it's safer to limit the potential for possible damage rather than experiment with the premise that "It hasn't worked so far because the right people haven't administered it's application." so we should throw it in just in case.
I thank you for considering that my intentions are admirable.
Herr Billy has not made the effort to complete Goblet Of Truth for frivolous reasons, he knows something.
However I think there was a serious omission in Talmud Jmannuel which could as a continuation through historical documents be rectified in Goblet Of Truth.
"An error does not become a mistake unless you refuse to correct it"
John F Kennedy 1961. |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 669
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 04:23 pm: |
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*****
Greetings to All in Peace
Hello Ramirez,
As you say: "However I think there was a serious omission in Talmud Jmannuel"
I don't know that there was an 'omission,' per say. From the historical facts of the discovery of the Talmud, my understanding is that only about one-third of the scroll was translated. The original Talmud was then lost in the fires of war. It is yet possible that these issues were addressed in the original Script.
What Billy knows, which may be included in the Goblet of Truth, is what he will also remember first-hand from his incarnation as Jmmanuel. Indeed, the 'revelations' in this work are likely also to come to us even from the Evolved level of Arahat Athersata.
The quote from JFK is Spot-on
Salome
*****
You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Creational
Member
Post Number: 198
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 08:59 pm: |
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Dear members,
Interestingly enough, Billy and Christian joined our debate while answering member Carolynmoss question;
"In the Plejaren society it is allowed that a man can marry more than one wife. In the Plejaren Federation men and women have totally different ways or thinking and attitudes etc. than here on Earth. They are making use of the benefits of that system and the women don’t feel discriminated. Marriages are possible or allowed only if there is true love between the partners.
(Note by CF: Your question gives reason to inform once again that Wendelle C. Stevens’ „Message from the Pleiades“ books contain many false translations and erroneous information, sometimes contrary to the truth.
In the book „Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktberichte, Block 1“ you can read on page 185, sentence 93: „Among our races it is very often the case that there are marriages of the non-monogamous type only, after a detailed investigation of all the facts regarding a „Zusammengehörigkeit“ (word does not exist in English) has previously occurred.“
From this number – 93 instead of 75 – you can derive that there is quite some difference between the official Contact Reports and the ones published by Wendelle Stevens.) "
They have answered some of our concerns. However, from our end, it was an interesting, thought stimulating and overall enjoyable discussion. I thank all of you for sharing.
Salome,
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Lonnie
Member
Post Number: 281
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 12:12 am: |
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Dear Zhila,
I would like to respond to some of your comments.
"frankly, with what’s going on earth presently, Pleyaren would probably encourage us to stop marrying and procreating instead of this particular practice of polygamy, but that is another issue."
That is understandable and I agree. Under certain circumstances, in my opinion, it may be better to remain single for the sake of spiritual strength. Polygamy, however, when practiced responsible, by mature, knowledgable men and women has benefits as can be seen in nature and attested to by the Plejaren.
"Lets suppose that there were no man made laws here on earth such as marriage, divorce, polygamy, etc.
Lets also suppose that we were not technologically advanced to figure the DNA of the father.
And last but not least, let’s assume, we were aware of spiritual teachings, creational and natural laws"
Good! Many on Earth, whether they realize it or not, do well in following their instincts.
"We know that the main purpose of the creation is to expand and evolve through us. It is then safe to assume that for this very reason, the well being of the children, both spiritually and physically prioritize that of both parents. Normal, and decent parents attest to this natural instinct."
Yes, I agree.
"Lets assume, a women mates with many different men at the same time but by nature she is merely capable of getting impregnated by only one of those many males. ( no DNA testing to find out either)
Naturally, and with no confusion, the mother of the unborn child is definitely that woman, but who can really determine who the father is?
the women, is the only one that may be able to guess who the real father is only if she was not practicing multiple male intercourse at once, (the guys in this scenario are also all similar in skin color and race, so it is not obvious to figure it out by the physical similarities.)
Is this female’s practice, fair to the well being of the child whom the purpose of mating was created for his/her procreation, thus facilitating the evolvement of creation?"
Absolutely not! It is not fair at all to the child and it is an act of unfaithfulness to the husband and a legitimate reason for divorce. Children need both parents in order to grow up emotionally stable.
"On a personal level, I am honest to tell you that I would probably feel emotionally hurt if my husband had another wife; and will not show him this post either,(lol), having had brought up in this society and at this spiritual level. but let me also be honest and tell you that we have not been honest in creating our realities according to the truth."
Dear Zhila, I understand your feelings. You feel that you would not be loved and appreciated, perhaps as much as another wife. Please understand what I say to you in all honesty. There is no reason to feel that way. In my opinion, and it is an individual matter with the husband and how he wishes to handle things, the husband should not do anything against the wishes or feelings of his wife. What I mean is that a second wife can only come into this arrangement with the approval and consent of his first wife. He should not do anything behind her back as is common in todays world of secret extramarital affairs. No, it must be someone that she likes and is comfortable with. If they are bisexual that is fine with me. But I also love straight women equally.
Speaking from book knowledge or personal opinion we can say many things. But unless you have actually experienced a true polygamous relationship it is hard to express how you would feel in a relationship of true love, peace, empathy and harmony.
If you don't mind me asking. Are you single? If you are, perhaps we can get together sometime. *S*
Salome,
Lonnie |
Creational
Member
Post Number: 199
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 01:49 pm: |
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Dear Lonnie,
A clarification is in order.
We are all students here analyzing certain issues of Billy's material, such as polygamy. I was personally hypothesizing a highly spiritual advanced society that practices the natural and creational directives such as plejaren; and frankly, a concept utterly idealistic for present Earth human beings.
In my other posts, I also hinted that even in such idealistic situation, I may personally be still practicing monogamy but open mindedly approve of those who choose to do so; such as you.
Responding to your personal question, I am an Iranian woman residing in the United States and presently married very happily to whom I think is my soul mate and have two wonderful daughters.
Salome,
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 48
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 06:12 am: |
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Dear Zhila.
At his stage of the discussion permit me to offer some information regarding acceptable circumstances & parameters for polygamy.
1. The practice is by design a social mechanism enabling selective participants to engage in a "faster track" spiritual evolutionary journey.
2. All participants are evolved to a state where psychological forces of greed, envy, jealousy are highly controlled & therefore no longer factors abe to sabotage the practical application of a "subtle energetic exchange & amplification" program.
Polygamy is essentially that. A localized, concentrated, specifically targeted amplification of several persons energy towards each other though principally one person becomes the most endowed recipient.
3. Thought & emotions have a tangible energy component which is controllable, variable in it's frequency & intensity and able to be selectively transmitted.
This point is essential to understanding how the system works.
Perhaps here an analogy to well publicised information regarding chakras & kundalini might be appropriate. Some sort of analogy is necessary.
The inbuilt failsafe mechanism of this system is the heart chakra (love) which MUST be vibrating at a suitable level for the enhanced & potentially unrestricted flow of energies to facilitate.
In ultimate (usually temporary) circumstances a person existing in this state whereby there is a fully unrestricted energy flowthrough (controlled & restricted by that persons evolutionery level) would appear to have a visible "fountain of light" or halo above their head.
Consider this.
Normally most earth persons on average are operating with a 56K modem in regard to their connection with each other, reality & creation.
Some are more evolved having at their disposal an ADSL 512 connection.
A very few operate with an ADSL 1500 line. (Nicola Tesla, various scientists, philosophers, mathemeticians, writers etc. Many such persons are or were on the Plejaran "impulse list" by virtue of their development.
Here is the key. All of these persons operate and VIBRATE on the Credit Union principle rather than Commercial or Investment Bank theory.
Then you have an ADSL 24,000 line. Jmannuel ... We have with us at present another with such a connection.
Returning to polygamy.
We have a small group of fully aware, highly evolved participants some of whom are prepared to engage in such an arrangement with predetermined intent to co-operate over the course of many incarnations.
The principal student (it is a learning process) is the male who marries several wives.
There must exist.
A social system whereby the normal considerations of Earth dont apply .... working full time struggling to support a large family group, psychological dysfunction, social, religious, ecological, financial problems to worry about.
Nuts & bolts. (very generally stated)
You have a social system whereby polygamy & lesbian relations are acceptable.
The principal male gradually draws together into marriage arrangements several females who have no psychological problems regarding each other.
He has sufficient time to give a reasonably equal presence to each family unit (female & her children)
He is to all intents a shift work father who is simply not always at home.
As another sensible failsafe mechanism aimed at protecting the cohesion of this polygamous arrangement the wives are permitted lesbian relationships with each other by mutual consent if so desired.
This is really a very simple psychological device.
You have my husband ... but by reciprocation we can also have each other. There is no problem as we share. If an individuals mind has developed beyond the limitations of greed, jealousy, envy such a solution becomes obvious.
So becoming the principal recipient and returning in kind specifically directed love (energy) on a fairly constant basis by several females enables the principal male to gradually expand his boundaries of ADSL connection.
The energy mechanics are identical to a couple in love except for the complexity of interrelationships.
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CAVEAT.
Polygamy could work successfully on a very very limited scale here on earth.
The danger being negative emotions which could quickly damage any such arangement. The potential for negative emotions here is HUGE.
Also consider.
The overriding objective for such arrangements must be to facilitate it's beneficiaries using their expanded knowledge & consciousness for the benefit of society & Creation .....
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You then have a semi closed group singing as a well co-ordinated chorus instead of arguing & comparing. The energy transfer & amplification benefits are obvious.
The social advantages over time are that you have a steady & growing stream of graduates becoming familiar with the higher mysteries.
Cheers.
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1710
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 09:43 am: |
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Ramirez,
According to the teachings chakras & kundalini do not exist. Don't you think you have explored this subject to it's limit, I'm having a hard time understanding what your trying to say at this point?
Scott |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 684
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 12:48 pm: |
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Hello Ramirez,
You have made some VERY KEEN AND ASTUTE OBSERVATIONS.
Many persons reading this, however, are not familiar with the technology of computer communication protocols. Such references to modem data speeds will go right over the heads of those not familiar with bit-stream applications. The analogy is very sensible, but the meaning may be lost on some.
Your statement: [ "3. Thought & emotions have a tangible energy component which is controllable, variable in it's frequency & intensity and able to be selectively transmitted." ], IMO, is Spot-On. Within a polygamous relationship, such energy from the SHARED emotional state, will indeed encompass all persons in the relationship. "...(A) semi closed group singing as a well co-ordinated chorus" will benefit the whole of the social order.
Thank you for sharing your insights.
Salome
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You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Creational
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Post Number: 214
Registered: 09-2008
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Dear Ramirez,
Thank you for sharing your very interesting information regarding acceptable circumstances & parameters for polygamy.
Salome,
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Edward
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Post Number: 1326
Registered: 05-2002
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Hi Zhila....
In the Teachings it is mentioned that there is NO such thing as a - Soul Mate
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It can only be defined as - True Love -.
Has been discussed, here.[Utilize Search Engine for further information/
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Edward
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Post Number: 1330
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 06:38 am: |
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Hi Zhila....
Concerning Christian's input:
....after a detailed investigation of all the facts regarding a
"Zusammengehörigkeit" (word does not exist in English) has previously
occurred."
Well, in the Dutch language, we speak of - saamhorgheid -, which means:
(Collective) Solidarity(; in Agreement/Accordance with, Collectively).
So, the mentioned above would come the closest to what "Zusammengehörigkeit"
would mean. Just to get an idea of the meaning.
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Michael
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Post Number: 751
Registered: 10-2000
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Re polygamy as practiced by the Plejaren, I don't think that we can accurately comprehend what's entailed in a marriage union that is intended to last...centuries.
Considering also that there is effectively no divorce allowed, certainly these marriages and multiple marriages are not based on the rather superficial attractions and immediate pleasure gratification that drives much of our contemporary world.
So I think that we are actually discussing apples and oranges and we may be assuming we can safely do so simply because we are immersed in our own reference points, which don't at all take into account the longevity and commitment factors.
I also seem to recall that the Plejaren said something about human beings generally becoming fully mature at around age 70, which certainly gives us much to contemplate.
Michael Horn
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