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Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 62
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 05:26 pm: | 
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I actually got the info re Robert Post, as well as the other info, from Gary Kinder's Open Letter to the UFO Community:
http://idu.16.forumer.com/a/plejarans-do-exist_post1144.html
So, as I recall, I didn't edit his comments at all.
As far as the claim that Michael Malin disputed the comments attributed to him, Gary Kinder made it clear that before he published his book, he submitted all of the quotes attributed to the various parties - Malin included - for them to sign off on, or to correct, etc. Malin SIGNED OFF on the quotes attributed to him. It's most likely a matter of him not now wanting to be associated with a UFO case (let alone THE UFO case of all times) in order to preserve his precious reputation, funding, etc.
One thing I do recall was writing to Malin or someone connected to him INVITING him to...SUE if the comments attributed to him were false and made without his approval.
Naturally, no such suit was ever filed.
Further, Bartholomaus likes to point out that some of the forestry experts denied making the comments that James Deardoff attributed to them. However, the comments were indeed made, more than 25 years ago, and never retracted. Let's remember that Deardorff also knew these people and it's most likely another case of some, now much older. professors not wanting to be involved in a UFO case too. Bartholomaus also deliberately LIED and said that we had said that the forestry experts had commented on the UFO, which they hadn't and we'd never claimed.
Further, when I wrote to the lead consul for OSU, after Bartholomaus was making all of his noise, I said that I'd be glad to provide some photos so that a fresh look and evaluation could be made by the forestry experts. The counsel graciously declind and...wished me good luck with my project.
From: "Fletcher, Charles" <charles.fletcher@oregonstate.edu>
Date: February 25, 2008 4:33:13 PM PST
To: <michael@theyfly.com>
Cc: "Jensen, Edward C." <ed.jensen@oregonstate.edu>
Subject: RE: Comment on UFO
Mr. Horn:
Thank you for your prompt response to Dr. Jensen's email. We would like
to take you up on your generous offer to go forward without further
assistance from us. Good luck in your work.
Charles
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Charles E. Fletcher
Associate General Counsel
Oregon State University
638 Kerr Administration Bldg.
Corvallis, OR 97331-2128
(541) 737-8332 (direct)
(541) 737-0712 (fax)
charles.fletcher@oregonstate.edu
-----Original Message-----
From: michael@theyfly.com [mailto:michael@theyfly.com]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 4:09 PM
To: Jensen, Edward C.
Cc: Fletcher, Charles; Jensen, Edward C.
Subject: RE: Comment on UFO
Dr. Jensen,
Thanks for writing. Regarding your first sentence below, I would have to
say that no deliberate misrepresentation of your remarks was made by me
or anyone connected to the study of the Meier UFO case. Nowhere have we
said that you authenticated any photos of UFOs, etc. for anyone. Whoever
may have led you to believe that such representations were made is
misleading you.
So, to be specific and accurate, your statements below that directly
relate to our concerns are:
"An estimate of tree height (actually only the top portion of a single
particular tree) that I made several years ago in good faith ..."
"The photo was of poor quality, but I assumed that the tree in the photo
was real and gave an estimate of the height of the portion of the tree
above the alleged UFO based on that assumption."
Being an expert regarding trees, I can appreciate that your assumption
about the reality of the tree was based, even considering the quality of
the photo, on significant experience and expertise. I can certainly
appreciate that you not only don't want to be misquoted but that you
wouldn't want to interject yourself into a discussion on UFOs.
However, Since the party in question who has contacted you, presumably
Mr. Derek Bartholomaus, has in our opinion misrepresented many facts in
the whole matter under discussion, should there indeed be an issue
needing resolution I would suggest that very good quality photographs of
the trees and the unknown object can be made available to you for
definitive commentary, a commentary that need only pertain to the
authenticity, or lack of same, of the trees.
Since Mr. Bartholomaus has gone on record as stating that the trees in
the photographs I refer to are - absolutely, without a doubt - model
trees but has been unable to produce any evidence to support that claim,
he is understandably under pressure to divert the attention elsewhere.
Again, none of this may be of the slightest interest or concern to you
and should you wish to not comment further I would certainly respect
that decision.
Also, should you wish a copy of the film in question, that contains the
controversial information, I would be glad to have one sent to you for
review by you and the GC of OSU. I would be equally pleased to make a
presentation to the students and instructors at the university, as it
may pique their interest, for many reasons.
Michael Horn
Producer/Writer
The Silent Revolution of Truth
www.theyfly.com
I suggest that before you take Barholomaus' word for anything, or assume that I have lied, you might ASK me if that's the truth of the matter.
And you might also want to read this:
http://theyfly.com/SkepticsCaught.htm
...to understand just what a desperate, failed bunch of bozos we're dealing with here.
And, while you're at it:
http://theyfly.com/newsflash91/Top_Skeptic_Fixed.htm
http://theyfly.com/newsflash92/Academy_%20Award_Fx.htm |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 300
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 10:58 pm: |
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Hi Michael.
I liked this statement the best.
"As we leave behind the Age of Beliefs for the Age of Knowledge, we shall see the last gasp of those dark systems, religions, cults and sects as they consume themselves in their own negativity. One of the keys to our future survival will be to let them fall under their own weight. But there will also be times in which they must also be called out, defied and directly opposed, in which the light of truth must be shined directly on them for all to see."
Bravo ...... 
Cheers.
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Mahigitam
Member
Post Number: 37
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 03:02 am: |
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thank you verymuch micheal horn...
this is more than enough....ofcourse i am aware of gary kinders book and attribued comments by experts who were given a chance to verify their quotes...
i forgot this part and also didnt find a solid reply like this in www.abovetopsecret.com forums as you gave now....
i posted ur reply there and this wud be helpful & useful for all those serious truth seekers who takes this path...
i justordered gary kinders ,light years book.
and also ordering a mini-cd of 100 best photographs from ur site....
bdw i read ur entire website and also www.futureofmankind.co.uk....
fantastic job....
live long ,be strong.. |
Behzad
Member
Post Number: 84
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 03:10 am: |
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Hello Rod,
Thank you for the clearing.
I receive and read all the messages in the Circle without any problem. yes I,m not very active there.
Salome Friends
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Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 63
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 01:38 pm: |
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Hi Ramirez,
Where is that quote from (I'm embarrassed to ask)? |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 304
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 03:40 am: |
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Hi Michael,
So modest 
This page, bottom section.
http://theyfly.com/SkepticsCaught.htm\
Cheers.
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Jgarbush
Member
Post Number: 11
Registered: 09-2009
| | Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 12:30 am: |
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I have a question. With all the scientific research done on this case, doesn't one prove the other. The only way I could beleive this case was real is the scientific evidence. If one thing had not added up then it would have been a complete hoax in my mind due to the sensitivity. Why does this guy state all these scientific facts and then say he's not sure. Sitting on the fence doesn't help anyone does it? |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1504
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 02:54 am: |
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Hi Michael....
Concerning:
"...to understand just what a desperate, failed bunch of bozos we're dealing
with here. "
Nice to hear that you are back in your element! [Kind'da, missed your...ways
of expressions, these days....]
Edward. |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1508
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 04:53 am: |
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Hi All....
Just a comment, on Billy's answer to Steveio.
I did once watch (years ago) a short News TV report, that in one of the Asian
countries (Thailand, Philippines...etc????) they did install a - Fenced
Landscape Imprisonment.
The grounds were all fenced, and there was one entrance. There were guards,
but at a minimum. It was very unique, due to there not being any other such
type of Landscape Imprisonment.
The prisoners, could even be visited by wife and children. They could even
stay for the night(or amount of days)! And they would do everything any family
would do, when father would be at home. They each had their own 'hut'.
But, I think, due to the collective status of the prisoners, they were
installed in a much larger accommodation. Visitors(and prisoners), may make
use of the above mentioned possibilities.
And of course, they also do...have to work..within the grounds.
The government, is very pleased with such imprisonments and the positive
fruits it bears, that they thought of installing more of such Fenced Landscape
Imprisonments, across the land.
Edward. |
Bodhran
Member
Post Number: 60
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 06:52 am: |
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Hi all,
I was doing some research on James Randi and his debunks, while I agree with Michael Horns claim that Billy's case should pass the Million Dollar test there is the case of Uri Geller which has been successfully debunked by Randi showing Geller caught on tape bending objects with his hands live on tv and passing it off as mind powers. All of Gellers powers have subsequently been exposed as simple tricks and misdirection used by most magicians. Geller has since even retracted his claim of being a psychic and calls himself a "mystifier".Yet in the contact notes when Billy asked about Uri Geller wasn't Billy told that there was power being used but Geller was unwittingly using the combined powers of the audience members to achieve his feats? Is there any explanation as to why Billy was told this?
Thanks.
Salome
Tony.
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Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 66
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 08:29 am: |
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Hi Edward and all,
While probably not pertaining to anything in the immediate discussion here, here's an interesting new bit of info from Richard Hoagland:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/SmokingGun2.htm |
Mahigitam
Member
Post Number: 41
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 08:33 am: |
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hi guys i just posted this in "IIG's investigation of the Billy Meier hoax" regarding ozone hole...am i right in this...
in iigwest website....regarding damage to ozone layer
http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/ike42report.htm#15_7thcontact
[1]
New York Times, 6 September 1974 [NYT1]
"The potential depletion of the ozone layer by nuclear explosions is a new, accidental discovery that arms control
officials believe adds an awesome element to the destructive effects of a nuclear war."
answer :
i agree the information that bromine gas and other gases cause damage to ozone layer and cause holes to develop was published in 1974.
plejaren didnot say that they knew about this before the earth scientists did.They did say that the earth scientists,experts in the field already do know about this.....
read here in 7 th contact,25 February 1975.....
"Recent researchers and scientists of different nations have progressed so far in their cognitions,that THEY HAVE RECOGNISED the destructive work of different chemicals and especially the bromine onthe ozone belt,and want to
evalute this in their irresponsible delusion for might for war-technical purposes.THEY HAVE ALREADY invented basic ideas for building missile bodies,whose destructive and death bringing substances wil be bromides."
[2] also it was mentioned
"I find it suspicious that the newspaper article[New York Times, 28 February 1975] and Meier's Contact Notes[7th Contact, 25 February 1975] both mention Dr. Michael McElroy. Why would Semjase encourage Meier to report the information to a person who already knew it? I have to wonder if Meier was attempting to make it appear that he had told McElroy about the danger who had in turn told the newspapers...."
answer:
there is nothing suspicious here...
in all the articles mentioned
New York Times, 17 October 1974 [NYT2]
Science, 25 October 1974 [Sci1] and
including Dr. Michael McElroy,New York Times, 28 February 1975 [NYT3]
it was never mentioned that the "hole in the ozone layer moves"..may be this is the reason why semjase encouraged meier to report to Dr. Michael McElroy.
read here in 7 th contact,25 February 1975.....
"such a hole is only able to close itself again,which process may take hundreds of years,if no further destructive
substances invade.An additional factor that comes into effect is that the ozone layer has a CERTAIN MOVEMENT &
IS WANDERING.A hole would not only destroy a well defined region,but it wander nearly uncontrollably and also
destroy other regions.This is the fact which is NOT YET KNOWN to the scientists."
i think the hole will also move along with the earth as the earth spins because the atmosphere is pulled by the earth's
gravity and is tightly held to the surface.and definitely be considered to spin in synchronisation with the earth..
looks like we have to concentrate on the pulication of information regarding the "movements & fluctuations of ozone hole" in any newspaper before 25 febraury,1975. |
Bodhran
Member
Post Number: 61
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 10:07 am: |
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Hi all,
just accidently typed in theyfly.org instead of theyfly.com into my browser and it comes up at IIG's "investigation" site. They seem very determined to undermine Michael horns work....
Ps. If anyone can answer my previous question I'd appreciate it.
Thanks.
Salome
Tony.
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Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 67
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 10:24 am: |
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While it's actually good that the IIG people are doing some research, the real problem is in their failure to acknowledge and/or understand a little bit of simple reality. The ability we have NOW to search online newspaper archives was simply and obviously not available to Meier in the 1970s.
And the implied idea that Meier was simply hanging around newsstands in Zurich, waiting for the NYT, then getting it translated, then creating stories into which he would insert the information, etc. is of course ludicrous and indicative of simple-minded fools who absolutely, positively can't...think.
I can tell you that when I first started to research all of this information, nothing earlier came up in internet searches because they probably hadn't loaded it there yet.
Of course Meier also warned about many things pertaining to radiation and the environment in the 1958 letter (http://theyfly.com/lost/meier.prophecies.1958.htm), such as:
56.) Through atomic contamination of the environment - through atomic explosions, atomic power plants and radioactive waste from industry and hospitals, and so on - the entire life of fauna and flora as well as of humans will be ever more injured and disturbed in health, while also mutations of fauna and flora as well as of humans will appear in terrible ways.
100.) Also, when nature defends itself against the human madness of planetary destruction, the Earth becomes ever more naked and less fruitful, and through the fault of humans the air will burn, because the ozone shield will slowly be destroyed.
124.) And through the fault of humans, chlorofluorocarbons sluice through the atmosphere, the Earth will burn, and melanoma and non-melanoma skin cancer will take hold and demand many deaths, and all that because, through human irrationality, the majority of the ozone shield, which protects against the rays of the sun, will be destroyed, whereby the atmosphere will be like a curtain full of holes and the strong and burning light of the sun will burn the skin, and the eyes of many people will be permanently blinded.
And, if I remember correctly, he actually mentioned - in the Contact Notes from the 1970s - something about being told about some of these things in the 1950s. Now I mention this because of course the IIG geniuses will say, "There's no proof that Meier wrote and published the 1958 letter in 1958." But his mentioning this time period, in the 1970s, lends credence to it...as does/will any corroboration of events/discoveries that are mentioned within it that have occurred, or will occur, prior to its being posted a couple of years ago.
Basically, and while they don't consciously recognize it, the IIG types think that everything like this must be a hoax that was perpetrated to try and fool them...but that they're too smart to be fooled. In fact, they're too stupid to think, to see the preponderance of the most diverse, specific information and physical evidence, all produced by a one-armed man living in a still rather rugged, rural environment who simply neither had access nor reason to even attempt such a Herculean task, one which the whole pack of these clowns are incapable of duplicating, even with today's technology. |
Syn
Member
Post Number: 238
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 01:38 pm: |
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yet another deceitful practice.
They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority
-Gerald Massey
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Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 68
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 02:06 pm: |
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P.S. THis should probably read:
But his mentioning this time period, in the 1970s, lends credence to it...as does/will any corroboration of events/discoveries that are mentioned within it that have occurred, or will occur, <subsequent> to its being posted a couple of years ago. |
Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 69
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 02:16 pm: |
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Also, regarding the photos of Meier at http://iigwest.org/investigations/meier/fire_ship_deconstruction.html, we already made it abundantly clear that Meier is staniding in the center of the effect holding a MICROPHONE above his head, as is clearly explained here:
http://theyfly.com/newsflash91/Top_Skeptic_Fixed.htm
The problem is that the foolish skeptics come to the table with their minds already made up that it's a hoax and then try to prove that...not to find out what the TRUTH is.
Of course Bartholomaus is perpetually humiliated by his ineptitude and blundering, whereby he had to retract his claim that Meier used model trees and model UFOs.
But with the recent posting of:
http://theyfly.com/Final_Proof_Hasenbol.html
...where Billy and Yaoi can be seen walking right next to the famous, full-sized, REAL tree, what can we expect from these oafs but more subterfuge and denial? |
Thomas
Member
Post Number: 736
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 11:15 pm: |
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Hi Michael, an interesting question is: Where is the recording made by BEAM with that microphone during the taking of that photo in the ring of fire??? It is not the same recording as those available on the FIGU website as I understand it...
patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com
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Rarena
Member
Post Number: 510
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 06:52 am: |
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Very good article with easily accessible evidence from James Deardorf... Michael:
http://theyfly.com/Final_Proof_Hasenbol.html
Watch the video further down in order to see Billy and Yaoi walking around the "phoney" tree.
One idea about the "apparent" continuation of the branch under the craft is that there may have been fog or ice crystals at that time (autumn) in that area (2000+ feet above sea level in Switzerland (very-very cold)) which could possibly reproduce the branches of the tree via projection where the light hits it via spherical reflection/mirroring (lens like attributes), which is quite different than reflection. In other words, rather than reflecting as a mirror would reflect it can amplify and refract making the branch appear to continue under the craft, where indeed... it may only be a spherical reflective artifact produced by the sun reflecting off some: radiation, ice or water vapor. |
Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 70
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 08:48 am: |
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Good question, Thomas, probably one to ask FIGU.
Also, while we're at it, Bodhran, you might point out to IIG that Meier's info about Mars was written in 1976 and is in a published book decades before "official" discovery:
http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash94/UFO_Skeptics_Throw_in_the_Towel.htm
You might also ask them why they not only find it necessary now to do something unethical, again, by using theyfly.org to link to their site but why they also found it necessary to falsify my email:
http://theyfly.com/SkepticsCaught.htm |
Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 184
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 02:14 pm: |
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Hi all
The people behind IIG are idiots to themselves and they dont know it, maybe they do know it which makes them even bigger idiots.
What they fail to state on there website (I have not read any of their website but I bet this is not on there) that their (IIG) photos have past all the scientific photo investigations and that their models and photos was made and taken by ONE man with ONE arm.
If they did this with one man who had one arm and only used the available resources equivalant to 1970's then maybe there work would stand some ground.
Lest face it even top CGI experts say it will cost millions to reproduce the photos of Meier but even then will they past the test???
Thanks
My new Website address - www.ufofacts.co.cc
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Bodhran
Member
Post Number: 64
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 04:26 pm: |
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Hi am I posting my question about what the Plejaran said about Uri Geller in the wrong section?
Can anyone help me out on this?
Salome
Tony.
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 1510
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 03:10 am: |
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Hi Michael....
Is very interesting, your link!
The data..speaks for itself!
And:
"Ancient Lunar Ruins!"
Well, I did once have a Vision decades ago, of not seeing the Moon as she was,
but...with Domes and living structures...within it.
Was not sure if I was looking into the Past or Future....??
But, in general, those old knowledge of Ruins On The Moon, would clarify it
for me. And as JKF, wanted to travel to the Moon, due....to the mentioned
Lunar Ruins, and which he wanted to bring back Proof and for analyses; which
were photographed by NASA and the Russians. Alas, JKF, could not make this
dream into reality.
"TRUTH...will Never die....!"
Edward. |
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