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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 66
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 09:20 am: | 
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For if I do not make mistakes, if I do not follow the grand plan, how can I know that I am alive?
Love is always the way
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Victor
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, November 05, 2009 - 04:12 pm: |
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allo, if you NO follow grand plan, then you (you spirit) be in degeneration. |
Sitkaa
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Post Number: 67
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 05:30 am: |
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This brings to mind the question of what is the grand plan, or if there is more than a metaphor of one. I believe there is a grand plan - one of self-exploration, self-determination, self-definition, self-motivation, self-understanding (referring to more than just the singular self through which we all cling to relative reality, more than merely the collective self which is still a self definition, more than the conceptual self or the sense of selfness, but rather to the grand plan it self). Through this, the grand plan is furthered into knowing further what is the grand plan.
Dios mio! Can you get more circular?
Love is always the way
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Victor
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 08:37 am: |
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allo, me think you mean that grand plan is like other word for evolution of spirit in this universe. that what i think you say before. |
Adysor
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Post Number: 187
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 09:31 am: |
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The self dies when you die, so does the plan, if that is the grand plan.
Adrian.
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J_rod7
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Post Number: 1102
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 04:02 pm: |
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Best Greetings in Peace
Hello Sitkaa,
I actually DO see the humor in your post. And I hope that more here may also see your sense of humor shining through.
There is a problem that many (possibly MOST) Human Beings do not exercise their ability for Logical Reasoning.
Circular Expression may cause some to go into a "Tail-Spin" leading in a downward spiral to Schizophrenic insanity, for they lose the Logic to analyze the Circle.
The Circle does NOT encompass the Wholeness of all things. The Circle only encompasses that within the Circle. There is a VAST area OUTSIDE of any Circle, which must also be realized. ... There are many variables Indicated along any point of the Circle, subtle yet unspoken, by which the Logic may lead one to the Vast area beyond.
One such Logical point of departure, is that the "Grand Plan" must have a Planner. This points to that greater area -- the vast area of the Intelligence behind the planning. When this path is pursued, the Circle is opened.
Salome
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TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE
Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Adysor
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Post Number: 190
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 12:03 am: |
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"One such Logical point of departure, is that the "Grand Plan" must have a Planner. This points to that greater area -- the vast area of the Intelligence behind the planning. When this path is pursued, the Circle is opened."
Who Planned the Planner ? Also the Grand Plan makes free will useless and unimportant, if there is free will.
I might be insane.....BUT...There may be no Grand Plan and the Planner is in the mind of the human being. The Grand Plan is only our handicapped perception and so we now think there is a Planner who planned and is still planning the course of our present and future lives as well as the course of the rest of life and the movements of all the material bodies. The Planner may be the imagination of our minds based on our perception that there is "order" in the universe and a Grand Plan ahead.
Adrian.
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Ramirez
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Post Number: 320
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 01:12 am: |
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Hi Rod.
An interesting question.
"One such Logical point of departure, is that the "Grand Plan" must have a Planner. This points to that greater area -- the vast area of the Intelligence behind the planning. When this path is pursued, the Circle is opened."
What is the I (personality or spirit) of the AA ?
Are you proposing something in the void ? It's just a question as to whether this idea sounds plausible.
If you accept the theoretical model of Creation being the All In All for our Creation .... the one we are presently participating in, then everything exists in the mind of Creation as layers or belts of fine material vibrating at different speeds which is the all encompasing universal consciousness.
So is the AA a finer material vibrating at even higher speeds in which Creations exist ?
Then if so is the void an even finer material in which the AA exists ?
Is it like Russian Dolls .... how far might it all go ?
Cheers.
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 70
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 01:36 pm: |
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Thanks J-Rod, methinks you are right, there is more than just circularity to the consensuality we call the verse. This project is open ended, yet paradoxically is enclosed by an expandable (type of?) awareness as well.
As for who plans the plan, I think we do, or rather, our self when we are just love, no 'I' need apply.
But, of course, these are my own reflections. I am still learning.
Love is always the way
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J_rod7
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Post Number: 1107
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 08:12 pm: |
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Best Greetings All, Peace Be With You
Ramirez,
You bring an interesting Entrée, Une repas principal, to the table.
[ "So is the AA a finer material vibrating at even higher speeds in which Creations exist ?
[ "Then if so is the void an even finer material in which the AA exists ?" ] --
By AA, we are referring to the Absolute Absolutum, of course, and not the Arahat Athersata, to make this clear to the casual reader.
I will give a 'qualified' YES to answer both questions. The AA itself is the end 'product' of the prior Evolution of prior Creations, This being the eventual goal of this Creation with which we altogether have our own Being and Destiny. As such, there is continuity in the Very Grand scheme of all things going forward, without end. Vibration at a Higher Frequency is a sign of the greater accumulated Light of Intelligence. Since the AA may be considered like the 'parent' to Creation, then the AA MAY indeed be at the higher Vibration. I will admit to speculation here, for we really know very little of the qualities of the AA. The Creation then, should not be considered "WITHIN" the AA, rather, like a child, to have gone beyond the parent, the Absolute Absolutum.
The Creation itself, DRAWS from the Void the very fine Energy to sustain itself and it's Creations -- ie. this Universe and the DAL as a coupled pair, are continually renewed by the Creation using this very fine Energy which is "everywhere" outside the boundaries of all Universes. Everywhere is in quotes as a reminder that the Void is without any Dimension of Space or Time as we know them from Inside of the Universe. The Energy of the Void will have the very lowest quality of Vibration.
Yea, the Void is without any Dimension at all. The Void itself is also without any Intelligence or Spirit, it simply IS -- endless, eternal, and forever from our perspective. Then it could be properly said = the void is an even finer material in which the CREATION and the Universes exists.
Great would be the mis-fortune for any Space traveler to find themselves beyond the Ramming Belt of the Universe -- there are no reference points, no stars or galaxies, no bearings, no way back since forward and backward have no meaning in the Void.
Enjoy your dessert -- Love and Wisdom
Salome
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TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE
Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Edward
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Post Number: 1523
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 03:48 am: |
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Hi Sitkaa and Victor....
As far as I know: there is NO Grand Plan!
Creation does NOT....Grand Plan!
To my understanding, (The) Creation is a spontaneous 'idea' which became
reality, and has generated the/her...Creational Law of: Consequence(s) - Cause
and Effect.
Thus, all the elements and components within her....Evolve at their OWN Pace,
NOT ever...leaving anyone behind, so to speak.
Each human being can Evolve at their own Pace and how ever he/she pleases,
but still...within the framework...of Consequence(s). Thus, they EACH...have
their OWN Responsibilities: individual!!
Thus, we all have the possibility to reach the Pure Spirit Level within the
number count of 60-80 Billions years.
Some will reside there much sooner than others; depending on WHAT Creational
and Evolutionary Path, One finds him/her-self on...and with the best results(:
- Perfecting Oneself -, as indented by The Creation).
If YOU, live and exist in accordance to the TRUE Creational Laws,...you can
complete this within the 60 Billion, count, and if not...it will manifest
itself much later...between the 60-80 Billion, count.
So, you see: it is all up you YOU, yourself...and nobody else! Not even
Creation involves herself, in your Material Life and existence....in the
Material Realm/World. It is your OWN Personal Evolution Processing!
You can only - degenerate - Temperary! 'Stagnate' if you will. But, sometime
in your Evolution(/incarnations), you will pick up the grain, and gain True
Insights, to further Evolve in accordance to the TRUE Creational Laws.
Pleasant, Evolving......
Edward. |
Sitkaa
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Post Number: 74
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 06:30 am: |
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Creation has a fundamental intention, which I referred to as a grand plan. My apologies for not being literal enough. It was a play on words.
The fundamental intention of creation is to create, which in turn we interpret as (variously, depending upon our understanding of this intention) to explore, to grow, and even to love.
Love is always the way
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Hector
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Post Number: 525
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 06:48 am: |
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"Grand plan",...."God's masterplan"....these are religion contaminated terms. I think many people think every detail of their lives is pre-determined by destiny, fate and they just live like puppets directed by some invisible god hands. But we human beings have been attributed the privilege of free will.
The creation aspires to perfect/complete itself thanks to the Law of Evolution. Is evolution a pre-conceived idea, a preconceived mechanism? In my opinion it is, every single living creature in this universe is forced to evolve, improve and perfect itself.
A God's Grand Plan or masterplan implies blind obedience, blind acceptance...there's no free will, the human being has almost zero space to manouver. If theres no freedom of choice present, no free will, no freedom to act and decide without restrictions, than there's no possibility to make mistakes. If you do not make mistakes, theres no evolution.
Throughout the entire Creation/universe there reigns exquisite order, logic, cohesion, coherence, structure.... chaos and disorder are not among the creations main characteristics. But order, logic, cohesion and structure are not equal to some god dictatorship in which human beings play a mere passive, submissive and non existant role. And that's not true, because we human beings/omedam are a vital part of this gigantic puzzle, this gigantic gear called universe. |
Sitkaa
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Post Number: 76
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 10:08 am: |
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Victor, Hector, Edward, Adrian, Rod, Ramirez, and associated people who haven't weighed in yet - if you want to continue this conversation, lets move it to a more appropriate forum section - "The Creation Itself"
Thanks
Love is always the way
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Marbar
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 03:57 pm: |
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Some of the things that I disagree with about the Plejarens is that, once Billy has passed away, they will go back to Erra forever. I understand that it is their choice to do that and I must accept that. |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 308
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 11:58 am: |
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Marbar , they will come back here after earth humanity has reached a level that is approachable , around 800 years. Until then , another ET race will contact us in an official manner . This is my understanding so far .
MC |
Darren
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Post Number: 86
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 04:43 pm: |
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Mark, my understanding is that the P's will now never return to Earth, and instead it is our far future civilization that will contact them once we learn how to enter their home planet Erra. |
Edward
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Post Number: 1554
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 09:58 am: |
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Hi Mark and Marbar....
Yes, that would indeed, correspond to what the Plejarans have mentioned: that
they will only seek Official Contact with a human species, when they have
reached TRUE Space Travel.
About your mentioned timeframe we would have indeed evolved thus far, in
manipulating Gravity, Time or Electron mechanisms, etc...which is far more
advanced than the propulsions or, the primitive likes, of today.
And not to forget, that our SUN is degenerating and dying, at that same
time(frame). Which is said, we may perhaps make contact with ETs who may
aide, us. This timeframe would indeed be utmost critical, for us Earth humans!
So, I think: all help is welcome!?
Edward. |
Sitkaa
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Post Number: 122
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 09:29 pm: |
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I long to meet such people as the Plejarens. Long to meet them, and touch their awareness, to know who they are, and who I am in their presence.
I long to learn about myself, to the very depths of my self-understanding, and will use all tools in this endeavor, as is appropriate.
For it is creation itself that is my fascination, and I long perceive it better.
I wish I knew more about the Plejarens, could understand their perspective better, and better apply it to this world, of which I am a participant. And for myself, to learn to better understand and apply creational laws.
Love is always the way
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Smukhuti
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Post Number: 139
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 08:19 am: |
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Darren is right in post #86 - "the P's will now never return to Earth, and instead it is our far future civilization that will contact them once we learn how to enter their home planet Erra". In the meantime, some other extraterrestrials will officially contact us. I don't remember the contact note (trying to find it), but this has been discussed between Billy and the P's.
I think them going back after Billy's death is their decision, as they are in the best position to judge if their contribution to the mission till that time will be enough to compensate for the horrendous damage their fore-fathers had done along with other extraterrestrial races like the Lyrans and Vegans to natural evolution of earth humans by posing as Gods. They must not overdo it as that will again have unforeseen consequence.
Salome. |
Marbar
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Post Number: 31
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 06:11 pm: |
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Since the Plejarens will go back to Erra after Billy's death, now I wonder if the members of the Plejaren Federation will go back to their homeplanets as well and never comeback to Earth. |
Memo00
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Post Number: 399
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, December 27, 2009 - 09:20 pm: |
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hi Marbar
i think the logical is to think that they will continue to observe what happens on Earth and how everything develops just that they will simply not make themselves visible or contact anyone, probably they could contact "Billy´s" future personalities (incarnations), but we will not know about that (if it happens) since Billy is the last prophet. |
Edward
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Post Number: 1598
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 02:25 am: |
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Hi Marbar and Memo....
Very well put, Memo.
Such was my thoughts, also. [Though not to mention this, previously; till
someone adds up the perspectives, as you excellently did!]
Even in the far future when Billy has passed away, and than reincarnated,
even...the Plejarans may still 'indirectly' monitor Earth(; and monitor our
evolution; there will always still be a handful of malicious individuals whom
want to make misusage of the conditions of the Earth human; example, Monetary
Criminal activities which can produce them Slave Power, etc, which should be
averted! Even though, a majority will grasp the Spiritual Teachings, as few
will not, alas; and are hunger for great Domination Power). But, again, in a
very 'unofficial' manner. They will let go of the personality Billy (as
Prophet), but not his newly incarnation personalties. It be conducted by the
Plejarans themselves or/via other federation branches.
Edward. |
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