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Edward
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Post Number: 1479
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, September 26, 2009 - 12:31 am: | 
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Hi Michael and Sanjin....
Perhaps: Fructuous? [Even in Dutch, defined as: Vruchtbaar(/fruchtbar)]
Which in some dictionaries define as: fruitful; productive--->ground/land...
Edward. |
Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 164
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, September 26, 2009 - 09:21 am: |
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Hi Peacelovefreedom
I think that some of the best ways to make people understand that Earth has to many Humans is.
1, Give them the information (Spirit teachings) about re incarnation, as Scott has mentioned before if people on Earth would come to understand that reincarnation is a fact of life then they would think differently about how they live their lives and what they do.
2, Give people some facts and evidence of what is happening to the Earth because of to many people. Compile some articles from the internet/newspapers etc. Facts speak for themselves.
3, Try to make them understand that we are no put on this Earth just to reproduce. We are here to learn and evolve. Reproduction is part of life but it to must be under certain controls.
Its not easy and even more so not easy to get people in positions of power to stop going on about growth and money and making them realise that the Earth is more important then money. After all what use is money if there is no Earth to live on.
Thanks
My new Website address - www.ufofacts.co.cc
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Rarena
Member
Post Number: 484
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 26, 2009 - 11:55 am: |
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Fructbar to me... is similar to positive potential or ablity to bear fruit. sorry this post should be in translations or misc... |
Sanjin
Member
Post Number: 60
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 10:29 am: |
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Rarena, well we're still trying to figure out the proper way to calculate the number of people per unit area, where no overpopulation occurs.
The team work here is excellent!
36.The human is another person, when, surrounded by the rays of the heavenly creational sunrise, the pure delight of awakening nature streams through him.
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Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 44
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 03:40 pm: |
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327271.700-population-overconsumption-is-the-real-problem.html |
Elreyjr
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Post Number: 70
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 04:44 am: |
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greetings,
the weathermen said Manila got one month's rainfall in only twelve hours. a first in decades. on the opposite end other places suffer the same way like Sydney's dust storm. and all these is due to world's over population problem.
Jun |
Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 166
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 06:27 am: |
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Hi all,
I want to share with you.
I sent this to a few friends....
Is fertile land different from arable land?
My thinking on this is that fertile land is all the land on Earth that can sustain plant life. IE, trees, marsh's and all the different types of plants. Where as arable land is the amount of land "fertile" which is available to us humans to sustain growing food IE, fields and pasture lands, without stupidly destroying natural fertile land
Extinction of species - http://www.theolivepress.es/2007/12/16/climate-change-will-see-the-%E2%80%9Cafricanisation%E2%80%9D-of-spain/
Excerpt:
With as much as 97 per cent of the country’s indigenous reptile and amphibian life facing extinction, Spain could see the loss of some of its most emblematic species such as the Moorish gecko and Lataste’s viper. Alarmingly, the scientists who compiled the report claim 50 per cent of Spain’s vegetation could also be lost to Climate Change.
“Terrestrial ecosystems will be subjected to a change in conditions not seen in millennia,” argues the report.
Climate change lays waste to Spain's glaciers http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/feb/23/spain-glaciers-climate-change
Excerpt:
The Pyrenees mountains have lost almost 90% of their glacier ice over the past century, according to scientists who warn that global warning means they will disappear completely within a few decades.
While glaciers covered 3,300 hectares of land on the mountain range that divides Spain and France at the turn of the last century, only 390 hectares remain, according to Spain's environment ministry.
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Time to start acting now to try and reduce the damage that is now unrepairable. All we can do now is lessen the damage. If we all join together on Earth as a unit people on one Planet.
Thanks
My new Website address - www.ufofacts.co.cc
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Rarena
Member
Post Number: 485
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 01:00 pm: |
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Didn't Quido mention in The Voice of the Aquarian Times and Billy in Contact 246 that, due to overpopulation there is about 25% less fertile or arable land than in 1900 when it was 529 Million?
Having been to the Tundra and the High Jungle any damage to the narrow covering of the sand (in the jungle) and water (in the Artic) will make the land either a dessert in the jungle or permenent waterway in the Artic.
There are many, many, hectares that people may call fertile land, but it is my experience it would be neither of these two biomes.
Each different type of landform must be tended properly with proper thinking and wisdom in order for the biome to become once again vital and capable of producing healthful crops.
The large dust storms approximating those in the midwestern U.S. (The Dust Bowl) due to improper crop rotation now happening in Austrailia is an indication the system is deficient in some way.
There is also the fact that we have 150 elements reflected with the makeup within our blood such as: copper, silver, gold, platinum... etc. etc. which are necessary for vital and healthful planetary habitation.
Mining, procuring and utilizing, toxic chemicals in production of food, can only deter proper immunities of our bodies due to eating foods deficient in necessary nutrients which have been misapropriated from the Earth.
We are beyond the point of no return according to our Swiss friend, and it will not be so easy to recover from this one...
If we do it right... maybe... three hundred years, wrong, that is... keep popping out the kids minute upon minute... it may be as much as eight hundred years... many, many, lifetimes down the road...
All current Earth problems... such as: Global Warming, Famine, Wars, Natural Disasters, Disease and Plague are a product of overpopulation... and the longer we putz around trying to: save the rain forest, the Whales... Global Warming... Curing Cancer... or Creating Peace... is another day the REAL PROBLEM of OVERPOPULATION or the solution thereof... will continue to spiral out of our reach to correct...
Solve that... and all the other problems will correct themselves automatically like a psybernetic device... |
Peacelovefreedom
Member
Post Number: 9
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 02:03 pm: |
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Thank you Stephen for posting your advice,
I couldn't find the article by Scott on relationship between reincarnation and overpopulation.
(Quoting from your posting: Give them the information (Spirit teachings) about re incarnation, as Scott has mentioned before if people on Earth would come to understand that reincarnation is a fact of life then they would think differently about how they live their lives and what they do. )
Would you let me know where it is?
Thanks! |
Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 168
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 06:10 am: |
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Hi all
I have attempted to calculate the amount the overpopulation on Earth based on a population of 8,000,000,000 (8 Billion) humans and a land mass of 148,940,000 km²
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Overpopulation_Bomb
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/8o.html
148,940,000 Area of land of Earth (sq km)
17,872,800 Arable land of Earth (12% of above figure sq km)
87333 sq m required per person (83333+4000 sq m)
0.087333 sq km required per person
8,000,000,000 population of Earth
698664000 Area of land required for Earth's population (sq km)
39 Number of times larger the current population is compared to the optimum population (698664000 / 17,872,800)
So according to the calculation here Earth is overpopulated 39 times more than the optimal amount.
Please note that the land mass of Earth of 148,940,000 I cannot verify and if the number as accurate at the time it will be less now due to soil erosion and rising sea levels
My new Website address - www.ufofacts.co.cc
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Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 48
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 08:46 pm: |
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Check this out:
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/the-problem-with-our-environment-is-too-many-of-us-20091005-gicq.html |
Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 49
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 08:58 pm: |
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Another seemingly rich resource to know about:
http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/364/1532.toc |
Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 173
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 12:38 pm: |
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Climate Change, Food Shortages and Overpopulation
http://www.lilith-ezine.com/articles/environmental/Climate-Change-Food-Shortages.html
My new Website address - www.ufofacts.co.cc
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Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 174
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 01:47 pm: |
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This article could go into other threads on this forum but as Billy has clearly stated the root cause to food and water shortages (Aswell as many other problems) is overpopulation I think it deserves to go here.
Catastrophic Fall in 2009 Global Food Production
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12252
My new Website address - www.ufofacts.co.cc
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Sanjin
Member
Post Number: 64
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 11:50 am: |
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Hi everyone.
The overpopulation excerpt transmitted from the Arahat Athersata spiritual plane has been translated, and is available on the www.futureofmankind.co.uk website.
36.The human is another person, when, surrounded by the rays of the heavenly creational sunrise, the pure delight of awakening nature streams through him.
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Indi
Member
Post Number: 345
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 07:25 pm: |
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Hi Sanjin
Thankyou for doing the translation.
However, you forgot to reference it.
eg., in the very least:
From
Arahat Athersata Copyright 1975/2004 by Billy Meier
pps 21-25, v. 1-44
Robyn |
Sanjin
Member
Post Number: 66
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 02:08 pm: |
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Got it.
36.The human is another person, when, surrounded by the rays of the heavenly creational sunrise, the pure delight of awakening nature streams through him.
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Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 179
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 06:19 pm: |
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To all Forum members and visitors.
We need your help to spread the word of our new website at
http://www.thecircleforhumanity.net
Please post this where every you can and help spread the word of overpopulation and all related problems that are here and indeed will get worse due to overpopulation.
That is if we can not convince the powers that be to start taking action in reducing the Human birth rates.
Your help is very much needed in this cause.
Thank you
My new Website address - www.ufofacts.co.cc
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 1502
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 02:14 am: |
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Hi Stephen....
Excellent website!
Would like to be a member, if possible?
What are the procedures? Email, you??
Please, inform me...if you can?
Thank you...
Edward. |
Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 180
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 04:18 am: |
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Hi Edward
If you email me at info@thecircleforhumanity.net I will forward your email to the rest of the group. Then we will discuss your being a member.
I cannot say yes or no myself with out asking the other members.
But you are free to email me to start the ball rolling
Thanks
My new Website address - www.ufofacts.co.cc
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 33
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 08:16 am: |
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While I agree that we comprise a society which thrives by consuming resources, and that we are doing so in a very disorganized fashion, I am not completely convinced that is has to be viewed this way. Let's consider two wrenches to be thrown into the works, before we froth ourselves into a tizzy:
1.) Suppose we were more efficient in the use of Earth's resources, and just suppose we could figure out how to add value to our world, add diversity and life to the Earth, rather than subtract from it. Would this not mean the more people we have around the merrier?
2.) Many 'modern myths' point to a coming Omega point, where the population reaches some critical mass, and the consciousness of mankind changes somehow. If this is a good thing, then should we not strive to add warm bodies (regardless of their quality) to our number?
I have heard these arguments before, and I wonder what the Plejaran take on this might be. Thanks for your comments
: )
Love is always the way
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Thomas
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Post Number: 732
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 09:47 am: |
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Once again a case of not thinking things through. If we build up the population further there will come a point of decimation of those excessive numbers and then where will our general state of consciousness be when we are once again preoccupied with mere survival?
Thomas
patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com
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Smukhuti
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Post Number: 55
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 12:54 pm: |
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Hi Sitkaa,
I gave a lot of thought to your statement “1) Suppose we were more efficient in the use of Earth's resources, and just suppose we could figure out how to add value to our world, add diversity and life to the Earth, rather than subtract from it. Would this not mean the more people we have around the merrier?” Earth already has value and diversity to it and that’s why human life naturally developed in it. There’s a carrying capacity of every planet that’s not only dependant on how efficiently we use our available resources but a host of other factors.
Consider the Paul Ehrlichs ipat equation I = P * A * T
Where:
I is the impact on the environment resulting from consumption
P is the population number
A is the consumption per capita (affluence)
T is the technology factor
Now what I understand from your point no. 1 is a system where P, A, T is of high value (usage) but I is still less. Let’s for once assume future technology to be driven by clean energy sources and also
i) Enabling better utilisations of arable land.
ii) Enabling genetically modified trees which would be 10 times more oxygen producing thus the world requiring less forest cover.
iii) Enabling a miracle waste management technology thus a perfect and cleanest elimination of waste.
iv) Enabling generation of unlimited fresh water for human consumption.
V) Enabling best distribution system
With these facts, T in fact helps in reducing environmental footprint. So we have something like I = P * A / T
That’s possible scenario even though it’s improbable and unlikely in the short to medium term (we are more likely to develop better war machines than these technologies).
Flow 1(current): Technology being misused -> I = P * A * T -> more suffering and eventual collapse of the ecosystem and world chaos, war -> reduction of A -> famine, drought, reduction of T -> forced reduction of P
Flow 2(desired): Technology is properly used -> I = P * A / T -> even more desire for A to increase and I to decrease due to lessons learnt** -> voluntary optimisation of P/emigration to other planets
**There’s a problem sustaining this model because even with the i=pa/t equation, spiritual need is not taken care of. With all usable place used for living, working, cultivating, leisure and commerce there would be very little place with available serenity where we humans can enjoy personal time and observe the vastness of nature with all the eco cycle in full blossom and learn from Creations Creation first hand.
In both the flows, Population willingly or unwillingly decreases in earth.
Omega Point was originally a religious thought and hinges on the assumption that everything gravitates towards a maximum complexity or maximum evolution (God conciousness) and “more is better because it helps solve the complex system” and once that state is reached, we start from beginning point zero. But we in this forum know that while there is the cycle (each time better than previous), there is no maximum or mandatory tipping point from where Creation will set itself to learn from zero – there’s constant evolution. There is also the law of cause and effect where if we have something excess we also have to suffer the consequence.
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