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Grasshopper
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, October 03, 2009 - 11:37 pm: | 
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(moderator- please relocate this post if necessary)
I was talking to some friends of mine about Mr. Meier and his experiences and was asked a question I could not answer 100%. I was asked if any other alien groups outside of the Pleiadians and their Federation have visited earth and had "contactees?"
Years ago on the Billy Meier website I believe I saw the statement to the effect that there are no other alien species visiting earth and that only the Pleiadians have come here. Is this correct? If so can you provide a link to the document where it is stated online?
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Redbeard
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Post Number: 128
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, October 04, 2009 - 06:45 am: |
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Hello Adysor,
We would have to ask Billy what he was talking about, but this is not the only place I have read this. Here's another excerpt of the same question to billy,,
[Compared to Earth beings, the Pleiadians are advanced in their spiritual development by approximately 30 million years and, therefore, they are far superior in all aspects of human evolution as well. For example, they have mastered primary telepathy, which Earth humans are only now just beginning to discover and learn. The Pleiadians are occupied by, and make use of, the infinite reaches of higher levels of mental telepathy. The Pleiadians' mental vibrations also have a high frequency and intensity mainly due to their superior evolution, their extensive spiritual education, and their faithfulness to the laws of Creation. This often results in their being unable to contact Earth beings, whose development runs parallel to normal terrestrial evolution.]
Ramirez and Hector,
Yes, perhaps technology has played a part in this, also think about all the time and contact that Quesal had with us Terrans as he was selling his crystals or other precious metals or items to raise the cash needed to then go out and purchase all of the vehicles in his earth auto museum on Erra.
It might make one think twice about ET contact if we realize that if we are contacted directly by ET'S that are able to stay here on earth with us in full contact and exposure to us and the environment, then perhaps they would not be of a very high spiritual level and may not be trustworthy and have the best motives.
Peace, Matthew Beattie
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Tobi
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, October 04, 2009 - 11:12 am: |
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Grasshopper,
There is a film made called Contact it is on utube
in there Billy says there are seven groups involved with the p's on the mission, and they keep the rules of the federation, sometimes it has happened that they assisted with problems some had with there ships, visiting here, it is not all that simple,some visiting here do not know the p's and still use hybernation to travel,
one of there ships fell in brazilion nazi group hands, and was distroyed when left alone during the time they tried to molest Billy and disturb the mission.
Also Billy neirly surfived an sort of mental attack to take over.
There is a lot going on, believe that a good search in the bulletins is a good idea for documentation, and also a way is read them all!!!
beginning 1995 etc,
But people mostly want a big fantasy bubble before they work to improve themselfs in the real spirit sence, so dont try to proof a thing to nobody, if you dont have a sence of what bell is ringing, it only makes it worse among "friends" these discussions.
Salome Tobi |
Rarena
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Post Number: 487
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, October 04, 2009 - 12:10 pm: |
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Redbeard,
Concerning your question Oct 3 about BEAM being able to fend off caustic vibrations, noted by the Plejaren as a bad smell... It is my understanding.. Billy has the capacity to form a mental block mechanism and can focus his mental energy on more positive aspects.
There was a time November 4, 1982 Contact 180, when Billy collapsed as previously forecast brain vibrations so it appears his mental capacity for blocking such vibrations is not infoulable.
As to the idea that our spirit can regress seems to me; not possible
It is my understanding that fluidal energies can impart previous life impulses into the reincarnated spirit and the million year rest period enforced eons ago upon those with horrible behavioral problems and going against the primal Creational force; lost fluidal impulses which helped them get back on track so-to-speak... |
Adysor
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Post Number: 155
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 04:12 pm: |
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Hi
Concerning falling into servitude upon the Plejaren.
That's because you want what they have, or what they supposedly have. I don't want that. Why do you want that?
Adrian.
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J_rod7
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Post Number: 1049
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 09:12 pm: |
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 Adrian, why do YOU NOT want to advance yourself in Spiritual Evolution?
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TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE
Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Adysor
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Post Number: 156
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 07:53 am: |
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J_rod7,
"why do YOU NOT want to advance yourself in Spiritual Evolution? "
You don't know what that even is.
I feel comfortable with what I have. And whatever will come after that is unknown to me.
If there is such thing as spirit, let alone spiritual evolution, it will evolve on its own. Because obviously you have no power over it.
I also have the following questions: What will you do with this? How will it help you in anyway? You probably imagine yourself having some awesome powers: telepathy, spiritual telepathy, instant transition, reading minds. Anyway these will probably be available with high technology some way or another. So is that it? What will you get from this? You will merge back to Creation? What does that mean? If I remember from readings, you will merge back to Creation anyway. What, do you want to be on the High Council? You want to be a pure spirit form and walk around helping "lower" entities? What for? Anyway all these "wants" are very much characteristics of the "self". Again, if I remember, Meier said that no self is present in the "spirit world", so how can you want this?
There was someone who was saying something like this: you want what "they" want you to want.
So here you want spiritual evolution. Why? I don't know.
Adrian.
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Rarena
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Post Number: 492
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 10:40 am: |
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Adysor,
How can you say you have no power over your own evolution? If you take no responsibility for your own evolution and look outside of yourself for the answer when indeed it is within...
If you do well in this life, you glean valuable insight, knowledge and wisdom you can carry to the spiritform. We have free will and some choose a lesser rate and that's okay.
Lower/Higher? Does not compute. We each are equal and should be treated that way, some may be more intelligent or wise and others are more adept at other functions we are not adept in but we should all be treated as we would like to be treated. You bring up a good point: why should I care...
If you do not want spiritual evolution you can most likely choose that. What if you were moved... eventually, to a lesser evolved situation where you were the most spiritually evolved person on that planet? Then would you choose evolution? We can never be perfect.
According to the Meier material you will merge back to the CCB Collective Consciousness Block. No senses or sensation such as those enjoyed on Earth... and you do not evolve till your next incarnation, it is my understanding.
If evolution is to be accomplished, at all... it will be done when the spirit and body are one... as in life on Earth. So it may not be such a "cakewalk" or "heaven" as you seemingly analogize. Each successive lifetime... when population goes unchecked as on Earth at this point in time, makes it harder and harder to accomplish evolution due to more and much more stress upon Earth's inhabitants... |
Smukhuti
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Post Number: 40
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 12:03 pm: |
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Hi rod,
It's a question for you, but I am adding some pointers.
Hi Adrian,
"You don't know what that even is."
First comes the information which can be right or wrong i.e. humans have spirit.
Next comes knowledge to verify information i.e. through meditation you are able to realise your inner self, your spirit and somebody reliable have realised that. Hmmm, maybe I could try that.
Next comes self-realisation which is generally right but may be sometime wrong also for e.g. false vision. This comes either through excercise of your knowledge (go for a calculator and verify 2+2=4) or logical derivation from your knowledge (the laws guarantee that 2+2=4)
Lastly comes wisdom when your realisation is in perfect synchronisation with the absolute truth and thus become part of your Pshyche as well as your spiritual sub-consciouss.
What dont you jump from knowledge to realisation by excercising your knowledge on meditation and derive your own conclusion?
"If there is such thing as spirit, let alone spiritual evolution, it will evolve on its own. Because obviously you have no power over it."
That would surely not be the case. Evolution is an effect and an effect without the right cause (living life in accordance to the Creational laws) will not cause evolution. Why is evolution an effect and not a cause? Well, actually evolution is a cause as well as an effect - it is a cause when you consider the effect to be better quality of life, less wars etc. as effect. Similarly living life in accordance to the Creational laws is also an effect of wisdom and so on.
"What will you do with this? How will it help you in anyway?"
Would anybody want to be an insane person in a mad-asylum just like todays "young spirits"?
"Anyway these will probably be available with high technology some way or another."
Thats probably centuries or even thousands of years away. Till that time who would want to be spiritually stagnant and be classified as insane?
"If I remember from readings, you will merge back to Creation anyway."
Our spirits are part piece of Creation and we cannot undo our purpose of learning through varied experiences and evolving. Neither we cannot prevent Creation from utilising our wisdom in adding to its own evolution. The news is that there can possibly be billions (at least 20 billion) years of difference between the slowest and the fastest evolution.
"You want to be a pure spirit form and walk around helping "lower" entities? What for?"
Maybe, maybe not. Answer postponed till decision is made. 
"Again, if I remember, Meier said that no self is present in the "spirit world", so how can you want this?"
No self is present in the fine matter world were spirit dwells after death. This is not related to the Arahat Athersata or Petale for where is some self conciousness and much collective conciousness. Let's hypothetically say Billy as a part of Arahat Athersata makes a decision to help "lower life forms" then it would be his spiritual conciousness that would be making the decision - I suppose.
"you want what "they" want you to want. "
Thats true. What's wrong with it if you realise that Billy's teaching have changed your life for the better. We are still free to run away aren't we? This unlike the false religious teachings putting a father figure above and cult religions where society wants people to observe certain religious custom/tradition and exceptions are labeled as "not cultured enough", "rebel", "not respecting tradition", "unsocial" and enforce a religion by birth where you have no say. Not only that - if you are lucky you will have your local brainwashing units in the form of your family and local priest who thinks they are doing a great service to your upbringing.
The only people who are bound to learn quickly are the ones who had taken an oath to rectify their mistakes committed in their previous lives. Most of the FIGU members and even a few members of this forum would tend to have a higher chance in falling in this category.
"So here you want spiritual evolution. Why? I don't know."
Why would I want spiritual stagnation?
Tchüß |
Hector
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Post Number: 515
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 01:49 pm: |
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Hi Adysor, as an example, if no-one pursued spiritual evolution, we all would be cavemen right now. Of course some of us are not happy imagining that we were to be born among cavemen, natives, savages, etc etc. We have already overcome such phase, such stage of human evolution. We need new material, new experiences, new expectations, new horizons than cavemen or savages.
Striving for spiritual evolution is a must. Nothing in this material universe ever stops, nothing in this universe remains in a dormant state for too long. Atoms, electrons, cells, organs, bodies, planets, suns, galaxies, matter, energy, whatever...everything is exhibiting motion, movement....and the human spirit is also included in the game....it must strive for a higher level of consciousness, existence after existence it must aspire to gain more and more knowledge and wisdom.
He who does not give importance or relevance to his own spiritual evolution is usually trapped in pure material values. The less you strive for spiritual evolution, the more do pure material values dominate almost all facets of your life. And 100% pure material values make every human life/existence almost useless, almost unworthy.....
In my opinion a mix of 40% Material values & 60% spiritual evolution is recommendable in our extremely capitalist societies. |
J_rod7
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Post Number: 1052
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 02:24 pm: |
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Hi Adrian,
We will all have different points-of-view. This is entirely natural, as we all have different experiences in life, different educations, different parents, different upbringing, different social interactions.
You certainly have the right to play "devil's advocate" if you choose. But you do NOT have any right to tell me (or anyone else) what I know to be Truth. To say: "You don't know what that even is." -- You are out of line here. You don't know me, and can't know what I have experienced in this lifetime.
This is not about me, or you for that matter, it is more about the path we choose in life.
How does one "Know" anything? How is "to Know" different from "to believe?" I am not going to "teach" you anything here. For you to answer these questions, you will have to learn the answers for yourself (self-responsibility). (Clue: THIS is how you may come "to Know").
Then How does one Know Truth from non-Truth?
So, c'mon back when you have the answers.
Peace Be With You
*****
TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE
Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Adysor
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Post Number: 157
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 07:54 pm: |
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Rarena,
I thank you for your contribution.
How can you have any power over your own evolution when you don't even know what that evolution is? You need a point to start from and then another point to end that evolution process. You don't know neither of those points. The evolution (if there is any) can go in any direction/way possible. If evolution was intended by nature(or Creation, w/e you want to call it) it does not need you to say that this path is good and that is bad, it doesn't need you to be conscious about it or help it in anyway you see fit. It happens naturally(that's my opinion).
If you are being exposed to Meier's teaching life after life, then where is the evolution? you are doing the same thing again and again. You see, all this is based on the supposition that there IS such thing as spirit, let alone spiritual evolution. We don't even know that there is a physical evolution, i'm not sure.
"If you do well in this life" what is well for you? Again, you need a reference point for you to judge well or not well. I think even the thief and the murderer gains some insight in his life, I don't know, I am not one. What is that lesser rate that I am choosing? Probably the reference point for this are Meier's teachings I guess. But so what? This means nothing.
"when population goes unchecked as on Earth at this point in time, makes it harder and harder to accomplish evolution due to more and much more stress upon Earth's inhabitants...
Don't forget that is this evolution that brought us here in this situation.
Adrian.
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Rarena
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Post Number: 494
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 07:17 am: |
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Dear Moderators,
I may or may not have sent and email but this computer blanks out sometimes and I lose data, this may have been the case and I wanted to answer Adrian;
Reincarnation as explained by Billy Meier is in Contacts: 7,53,72,104,114,188,239.
Also in And Still They Fly by Guido Moosbrugger and the phamplet 49 Questions.
As to a start and stop point, birth and death are pretty definitive. Also you don't know calculus or algebra when you start which does not have a very definitive starting or stopping point.
Spirtual evolution is analogous to consciousness; the awarness of your mind, it is my understanding, what true good you have in there... you take with you.
Note to Moderators, if I've sent the first one on this subject you may cancel this one... |
Adysor
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Post Number: 158
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 08:35 am: |
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Hi all,
I am pleased that you guys actually take the time to analyze my worthless questions and answers.
I just want you guys to know that I am not some Meier hater, I am not here to judge Meier's teaching as a cult or religion.
Smukhuti,
The self-realization is that there is no self to realize. Let alone "inner-self". The self is my thoughts telling me that this body is me. So the self is my thoughts. And thoughts come always from outside. That's why I said that before Meier, you could've never thought of inner-self. Well, in Buddhism they talk of inner-self or something similar which reincarnates in different people. That would be how Meier got his idea.
So where is your self? Selfish acts are always coordinated by thoughts, you cannot have any selfish acts if you don't have any thoughts. That's why I said, when you saw or heard about the Plejaren having all these spiritual powers, automatically you wanted that. This is a selfish act, isn't it? (don't get me wrong, I was all over the material and photos when I first found out)
"Lastly comes wisdom when your realisation is in perfect synchronisation with the absolute truth and thus become part of your Pshyche as well as your spiritual sub-consciouss."
You can't even analyze your "physical" sub-conscious, you tell me now about spiritual sub-conscious? How do you look at your spiritual sub-conscious other through the knowledge put in you? But there is no assurance for you that that even exists and yet you keep saying it is.
"Would anybody want to be an insane person in a mad-asylum just like todays "young spirits"?"
I am not going around killing people madly, if that's what you mean.
"Thats probably centuries or even thousands of years away. Till that time who would want to be spiritually stagnant and be classified as insane?"
I don't call you insane. Do you want to call me insane? Do I have to attribute insane to lack of spiritual evolution?
By the way, being a pure spirit form and walking around helping people is a very selfish act.
What difference would it make if supposedly Mr. Meier was part of Arahat Athersata and made the decision to help lower life forms? Why does it matter? If he wants recognition that's a very selfish act again. The spirits merge back to Creation anyway as I said it, being with 20 billion years difference between the highest and the lowest evolved spirits; He came to us to warn us in order to not destroy ourselves? Well, spirits are immortal aren't they? If we completely annihilate ourselves well we will float to another planet with spirit forms and evolve there. In the end it doesn't seem to matter.
"Why would I want spiritual stagnation?"
But there is no spiritual evolution, how can there be spiritual stagnation?
Hi Hector,
"if no-one pursued spiritual evolution, we all would be cavemen right now"
You are not a cavemen right now not because of your spiritual evolution, but because of the world collective thoughts and knowledge past down from generation to generation.
"Striving for spiritual evolution is a must"
It seems to me that you are striving for the piece of bread on the other side of the world, but when you get there, it is nothing at all or something totally unrelated to what you hoped to find.
"He who does not give importance or relevance to his own spiritual evolution is usually trapped in pure material values."
What is the difference being trapped in pure material values or trapped in pure spiritual values. Those values are attributed by you.
"In my opinion a mix of 40% Material values & 60% spiritual evolution is recommendable in our extremely capitalist societies."
You will be trapped in 40% of material values and 60% of spiritual values
"You certainly have the right to play "devil's advocate" if you choose. But you do NOT have any right to tell me (or anyone else) what I know to be Truth. To say: "You don't know what that even is." -- You are out of line here. You don't know me, and can't know what I have experienced in this lifetime."
You are right I don't know what you have experienced in your lifetime, nor will I ever. But I know this, you can only experience things in your certain framework of knowledge. You call that spiritual experience, I call that pure physical experience. Is that the Truth? Names?
"How does one "Know" anything? How is "to Know" different from "to believe?" I am not going to "teach" you anything here. For you to answer these questions, you will have to learn the answers for yourself (self-responsibility). (Clue: THIS is how you may come "to Know")."
I tried to learn the answers for myself but I can't seem to be able because I always have to depend upon the knowledge which I was given. And because there is no assurance for me that what the knowledge describes is real or not, I cannot have any answer. I can't seem to find a difference between you and me. My answer is that there is no answer. Unless the way your brain and body functions is very different from the way I am functioning. Anyway I was pretty much throwing the questions to you though, not to me.
"Peace Be With You" I hope it's with you more
Adrian.
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Earthling
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Post Number: 301
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 10:56 am: |
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Adrian ... you are repeating another persons words, thoughts, ideas ... words, thoughts & ideas that did not do it for you, that have left you still in search.
Yet you pass them on here; these words, thoughts and ideas of UG Krishnamurti, that have left you unfulfilled, as if they can help another fill what hasn't been able to fill you. If his words had answered all your questions, you would not have arrived here, still searching.
Don't get me wrong. I like the guy, but he did say he cannot help you. Do you not believe him when he says he cannot help you, yet you believe all his other words & ideas that you are repeating above? |
J_rod7
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Post Number: 1055
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 12:07 pm: |
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Best Greetings to All
Adrian, Randy,
The "starting-point" of Evolution is the from first creation as New SpiritForm. This entry into the first physical-Material body is like the "Go forward, son. Learn all that you can of Wisdom and Love. Return with all you find"
The "end-point" of Evolution is to solve the final 'mysteries of Creation' from the Highest level of the Petale, then to merge back with Creation bearing all the gifts of our collective accumulation of Knowledge, Wisdom, and Love.
Ya know, there isn't really a "guarantee" for every SpiritForm to 'make-it' all the way back to creation.
Those few which do not grow, do not go.
*****
TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE
Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Rarena
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Post Number: 495
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 02:02 pm: |
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Another thing that came to mind from recently reading: Earthperson It is urgent time to change for the better... 2007
>>> Where do you go humankind? Quo vadis, humanitas?
We are on our way "out the window" and on the path which leads away from him (?) and to a downfall without return...
I'm parphrasing here:
Turn around and get your life back on the path of natural laws and orders (such as the Twelve Commandments)of Creation. Find an honest way back to real life... which BTW is not sitting in the front seat of the church and "shining"...
The path however, will not be found by religion nor sectarianism but with your own cognition [to recognize (I.E. from within)] for yourself... rather than counting on something from outside of yourself to S A V E you... eh eh... It is your responsiblity to evolve in other words.
Also, I disagree that "our life" is the starting point, since we came from The Creation and will go back to The Creation which has been existing and evolving for millenia upon millenia... and as to the end, we will never find the final mysteries of The Creation according to the Meier material so the "end point" is another circular argument.
One way NOT TO evolve positively is to disregard the correct pathway to The Creation which is often done by lieing or not telling the truth... which is the same thing... if continued constantly... towards darkness and negativity. In fact, it becomes the normality for those leading in that direction, the lying, the deceit, the unfair treatment and cause and effect will take it's toll upon those that look outside of themselves for the answer.
The knowledge comes from outside of us... yes, but the wisdom, the cognition and realization comes from within. Billy mentioned the hare krishna information was not given from one of the seven prophets (of Billy's spirit-form) we know of and discuss here. |
Smukhuti
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Post Number: 41
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 08:52 am: |
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Hi Adrian,
In all fairness, I did not called you insane, I only pointed out that if someone become spiritually stagnant whereas the people around grows in spirituality, she/he would sooner or later fall into the category of insane. (There is a kind of insanity where young spirits display so much illogical behaviour that society labels them as insane whereas it is not a disease but a condition of young spirits.) I have asked you if anybody, knowing that spiritual growth avoids that scenario, would willingly do not strive for spiritual growth.
I wouldn't call anyone insane because thats a relative word. What we are doing with our flora and fauna and how we wage war against each other is also act of insanity to the Plejarens.
As for non existence spiritual evolution - if there were no spiritual evolution, at one point of time, our material growth would also stop. For e.g. only when we master telepathy, we would develop technology based on that.
IMO the idea of no spiritual evolution would lead us to square 1 where a man lives life to enjoy material growth only at any cost and then ask for forgiveness to the God who will forgive us because God is merciful (and we are creatures of a cosmic lab rat experiment born to enjoy life and worship God).
What does everyone think?
Tschüß |
Scott
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| | Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 03:04 pm: |
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Lets get back to the topic heading. |
Kingman
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| | Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 03:26 pm: |
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It is possible to discover truth through observing nature. Logical understandings of life and its journey will be obtained and are clearly visible in the natural world. This is a very provable starting point if one was looking for proof of spiritual and physical evolution and the values that come with them.
Perhaps Adrian needs to spend more time in a forrest, or meadow, at the beach, etc., to help him remember that life is beautiful in Creations nature. Were we to all forget this, our world would be without hope. All your answers you truly seek will come through your efforts. In helping others evolve, all Billy does is offer the tools that he knows will work if one is able to understand and use them properly. It is always choice. Adrians position is his choice and he arrives at this choice from his experiences. It's just where he's at in this time in his life.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Rarena
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Post Number: 496
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| | Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 03:33 pm: |
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Hi Smukhuti,
Nice to meet you, my name is Randy.
You asked what we think...
The Plejarens and the Federation they are a part of have told Billy Meier, who has told us the following:
God is not a term used by the Meier Material except as in: a King of Wisdom ISWSH and no one should be worshiped. So how could you give your power away and worship someone when you are part of The Creation itself?
The answers have to come from your own cognition, your ability to recognize and know rather than believe or have faith in another...
Logic, thought and reason must be used and we should not count on some person to fix everything for us but rather, take responsibilty for our own actions and outcome...
Tschüß & Salome |
J_rod7
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Post Number: 1057
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 06:56 pm: |
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*****
Best Greetings to All, Peace Be With You
I don't know how we can be any more "Miscellaneous" than the current discussion. OK, I agree, it should be more "oriented" towards "» The Pleiadians/Plejarens and the Federation..." yes.
This would be more appropriate for the now closed "Miscellaneous" section, yes (?), but...(?)
Randy, I'm sure you know better than this: [ ".. and as to the end, we will never find the final mysteries of The Creation according to the Meier material so the "end point" is another circular argument. " ]
The final Mystery in THIS Universe, is solved by the highest level of the Petale. The mystery being: How to Create new SpiritForms. When the highest Petale solves this, the entire WE-form rolls over into a complete MERGE with the Creation. This is taught by the Plejarens to Billy in the Contact Notes ( would have to 'dig' to find this again).
Then, of course, The Creation does continue it's own Evolution in this and the following creations of Universes after it's following sleep-wake cycles. We will also be a involved in all following cycles, as we will be at total union with Creation therein.
Salome
*****
TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE
Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Creational
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Post Number: 358
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 11:56 pm: |
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Dear Randy,
I don’t mean to jump in the middle of this discussion but in support of your well put statement;
“Also, I disagree that "our life" is the starting point, since we came from The Creation and will go back to The Creation which has been existing and evolving for millenia upon millenia... and as to the end, we will never find the final mysteries of The Creation according to the Meier material so the "end point" is another circular argument.”
Permit me to add that beginnings and endings are time bound phenomena. They are variables in a system or dimensions that time is a determining factor; this is the physical system apparent to us which is obviously bound or limited to time factor.
Eternity, timelessness, everlasting, etc., on the other hand are exactly what they claim they are; without time, at least in the way we conceive time, therefore time becomes sort of obsolete as a factor in such system.
A great example for comprehending this would be to consider a circle. You simply cannot designate a particular start or an end on the perimeter of a circle while at the same time; you can designate unlimited starts and ends on it.
One then may argue that if that’s the case where is the evolution in this circle, if we are going round and round viciously?
The answer to that is quite simple:
The way this circle evolves is by inflating, expanding or as Billy puts it by swelling as a whole like a balloon both individually and as a whole. In fact evolution of each, effects the evolution of all. Each point on the perimeter by itself is getting bigger thus making the entire circle bigger and bigger.
This model explains how every single being or spirit form is important in this evolutionary process.
(By the way, in reality as we all know, the actual model of Creation consists of two spirals. I am merely using the circle to simplify in order to make my point across, and the same logic can easily be demonstrated on the actual model of Creation.)
Additionally, for those interested in this sort of analysis; considering my model, the true beginning is not even on the circle but it is the CENTER of this hypothetical circle (aka Central Sun, Sohar). The start of it is entirely independent of the circle and its time vector is perpendicular to the time vector on the boundary of the circle; however, that is an entire different discussion unrelated to this particular discussion but I thought to mention it as a brain teaser for some!)
I hope that clears some confusion.
Love,
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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