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    Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 1001 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi guys and thanks for the info! Rebecca has been busy since I last checked in. She deserves some links, don't you think, all you FIGU-friendly English-language webmasters out there?? Davidmg: Thanks. You'd be doing FIGU a service if you'd like to make Mariann's GoT-correction document more user-friendly. You should be able to obtain it from FSUSA. I have a copy, of course, but I don't know how to provide public access to it in its current format. Hodari: I don't have much in my archives about this topic. I generally just surf on out there and try to read what I can about it from non- English language sources. There is a lot of garbage and propaganda about how wonderful English (Babblese) is, but it's full of fustian bombast, obfuscation and facile sophistry. And it is true that most native English-speakers do not even understand their own language, not that I'm going to invent a new one to replace it anytime soon! ;-) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Davidmg Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 03-2008 |
Dyson; Lets see what the document is about and then well go from there. You may use my email and send over the document to xm4a6yq@telus.net DavidmG. | ||
Redhalls New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2010 |
Hi, I don't know why I cannot create new thread. But about Goblet of truth I have a question: If I don't understand German, and I read the German text will I still get the impulses (as strange as that sounds)? And even if you go in space, or in deep universe, or visit another planet will these impulses still be reached towards you? Finally is the OM and Goblet of Truth the same book or is OM something else and only in German currently? Thanks! I know that question #2 is a bit "weak"  Karl | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1340 Registered: 02-2000 |
Karl, They are two different books. My Website | ||
Spinoza Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2009 |
Getknowledge, why are you call us Earhtling. We are from same planet. | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 644 Registered: 07-2000 |
Dear all I have difficulty in understanding this: German Page 216 124. Und damit jene unter euch, welche euren Worten der Lüge und Verlästerung (Verleumdung) nicht ihr Ohr öffnen, euren Worten unfrei (hörig) werden sollt, so erdichtet (erfindet) ihr allerlei falsche Zeichen (Falsch be -weise), auf dass die von euch Belogenen daran Gefallen finden sollen, so ihr von ihnen gewinnen (rauben) könnt von all dem, was sie sich erwerben (verdienen), wie Gold und Besitz English Page 217 124) And so that those amongst you, who do not open their ears to your words of lying and slander (calumny), shall fall in bondage to your words, you fabulate (invent) all kinds of false signs (false evidence) so that the ones to whom you are lying shall find pleasure in this, so that you can gain (rob) from them all that they acquire (earn) such as gold and possessions. It is not reasonable for those who do not listen to lies shall fall in bondage ˇK Any idea? Salome Savio | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1769 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Savio.... Long time no hear... It IS responsible to NOT listen, Savio. But, as you read it...it refers to the opposite(?). I sense, that the translation is not that correct?? "shall fall in bondage to your words," should be: shall 'NOT' fall in bondage to your words,..... Perhaps someone can add some additional input?? Edward. | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 645 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Edward Thanks for the input Perhaps the original meaning is: "those who do not think carefully about the lies shall fall in bondage ..." ? Not sure about this ... Savio | ||
Edmundo Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 12-2008 |
Hi Savio, How about this: And so that those amongst you, who have not yet opened their ears to your words of lying ... Prophet speak to wrongdoers, that they want to enslave with new lies even those who havent yet fallen into bondage. but I don't know if it is correct interpretation. | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 646 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Edmundo Thanks for the response It seems it is hard to understand " ... not yet opened their ears to your words ........ shall fall in bondage to your word ...." It is quite confusing here .... Savio | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 647 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Dyson Could you shed some light on this? Or would it be nice to pass my concern to the translation team? Salome Savio | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 1174 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Savio! (REALLY nice to hear from you again! Any progress with FIGU getting your Chinese translation of Talmud Jmmanuel published?) I've mentioned in a couple of places on this forum that I do not want, and am unqualified for, the job of correcting either the Goblet of Truth, which SEEMS to me to be full of errors, and even less the Kelch der Wahrheit, which also seems flawed in places. Mariann, who is doing this work, tells me privately that not only do these two texts have several errors, so does the OM. :-/ There are, reportedly, standardised FIGU procedures somewhere for reporting errors, but I am not really interested in wasting further time on unsuccessfully trying to find out what they are. And if I am dumb enough to embroil myself in this as a de facto FIGU liaison officer for these numerous corrections and deeply detailed translation disputes, I 1.) won't be competent because I cannot know what the FIGU idiolects are and 2.) I won't have any time for a life, let along struggling to help get the truth to light on the forum and finally 3.) if I do it all, nobody in FIGU will. And I'm not even a member. Sorry if all the above seems like I'm shirking another natural responsibility of mine, but I'm really left with no choice but to draw the line somewhere. All the very best, dear Savio, and sorry I couldn't help, nor can I direct you to someone in FIGU who can. (For what it's worth, we have been, and continue to be, disproportionately generous in our financial assistance to the UK professional's translation efforts.) Salome, Dyson (Hot news: chapters 10-20 are immanent) | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 648 Registered: 07-2000 |
Dear Dyson Me too! Really glad to have you back to the forum ^_^ Progress? None, I am afraid; there is no way to perform proof reading at this moment. Perhaps I should start learning German right now and provide my own proof reading of the text after some 10 years time ^_^ Yet, I know my own limitations; while getting aged, my memory is fading out together with my English vocabulary, for me, capturing a new language is like trying to accomplish a job without the right tool. I fully understand your concern and difficulties on the translation issues ^_^ Well, we all make mistakes, and correcting mistakes makes progress, a little drop here and there helps quenching thirst. Yes, it would be nice if there is a special thread under the “Kelch der Wahrheit - Goblet of Truth” so that we all can offer our feedbacks where the translators of the book can visit from time to time in the process of perfecting the translation. Dear Moderators, any comments? Salome Savio Hi Savio, Might as well use the same topic to post feedback. Peace, Badr - Moderator (Message edited by badr on April 30, 2010) | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 650 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Badr In that case, I have presented my concern in the right place ^_^ I hope the 'Goblet of Truth' translators do visit this thread from time to time and read all the comments ^_^ Salome Savio | ||
Davidmg Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 03-2008 |
Savio; in response to your post # 644 English page 217 line 124) And so that those amongst you, who do not open their ears to your words of lying and slander (calumny) *** people who do not listen to themselve as they lie *** many people are unaware that they lie and therfore their own ears are closed to them As a result of their lying they feel a sense of pleasure and sadly for which some fall addicted (bondage) to lying. Furthermore many people respond on an emotional level and not a logical level without thinking things through. Many people would agree that once the emotions kick in reasoning gets the boot. Hope that helps Davidmg | ||
Sanjin Member Post Number: 140 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hi Savio. I think that it was properly translated, but it is hard to distinguish "what refers to what" in the translation. Also, the "you" in the sentence is meant in plural(It's a flaw in the English language). Maybe if you break it down into parts, it is easier to understand: 124) And so that those amongst you..shall fall in bondage to your words, you fabulate (invent) all kinds of false signs (false evidence) so that the ones to whom you are lying shall find pleasure in this, so that you can gain (rob) from them all that they acquire (earn) such as gold and possessions. It is one of the prophets talking to a crowd of people and referring to the people who lie and slander. He is telling everyone and talking specifically to the liars (judging them), that the liars make up false evidence to try to mislead even the ones who do not listen to the lies, in order that the liars can exploit the believers of the lies. An example would be someone like George Adamski who faked his UFO images in order to sell books. Salome Love makes the world go round. | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 653 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Davidmg and Sanjin Thanks for your kind response With your help I now come up with something a bit more meaningful .... 124) And so that those amongst you, who do not open their ears to your words of lying and slander (calumny), shall fall in bondage to your words, [because] you fabulate (invent) all kinds of false signs (false evidence) so that the ones to whom you are lying shall find pleasure in this, so that you can gain (rob) from them all that they acquire (earn) such as gold and possessions. Those do not listen to the lies yet still can be misled by the false evidence which is more attractive .... Any comments? Salome Savio | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 438 Registered: 05-2008 |
For those who haven't noticed yet: The next 10 chapters in English have been released. http://us.figu.org/portal/SpiritualTeaching/GobletofTruth/tabid/161/Default.aspx | ||
Historeed Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 09-2008 |
The FIGU USA website is saying that GOT Chapters 11-20 are temporarily unavailable...does anyone know how soon untill the download will be available again? Thanks! Historeed | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 03-2007 |
Has anyone noticed any formating issues with the Goblet of Truth? The numbered sentences are not in sequence, and they jump from German to English and English to German out of order. At least that's what I'm seeing. Christian thinks it's my computer and doesn't think there is an issue with the FIGU USA website. I would appreciate any feedback on this issue. Thanks | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 488 Registered: 06-2006 |
It appears to be in order for me. | ||
Techieatwork Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 08-2008 |
HI Schantz: It's fine. Use two-pages view (side by side) and you will see the perfect sequence. Salome Carlos -- Billy: Dann sprichst du eben in geraffter Form. Quetzal: Das will ich tun. | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 09-2007 |
I suggest that what is now in the first page of the PDF be spread over the first two pages (first page German, second page translation). Or that a blank page be put after the first page. This way, the german pages will appear side by side with the translations when viewed in the two page mode. As it is now, the translation of the German page before appears together with the next German page, which I think is what Schantz is referring to. I have also noticed that chapters 10-14 and 16-20 are written "Capter". David I am a terrestrial |
