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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 200
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 25, 2010 - 08:23 pm: | 
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One of the ways to save the biosphere is to remove ownership of it. Property ownership rules must be scrutinized very wisely to dispense with the irascible western concept of property ownership. In the truest sense the tragedy of the commons dictates that we dominate what we think we own. Were we to use the biosphere according to the needs of sustainability we would be treating it ethically, instead of destroying it in a vast morass of over-competition. Were decisions regarding appropriate use of the landscape guided by a reasoned scientific approach, the utter importance of sustainable methods would be clear to everyone who cares (allowing everyone else to pay attention to other things). Removal of ownership of the landscape in any form, allowing it to be governed by some sustainability concern, such as giving up all national claims to ownership of the oceans, should go a long way towards developing sustainable governance. In the same way could national and regional and local boundaries slowly grow less important, allowing for wiser and more sustainable governance models for the contiguous landscape. Personally, I would suggest organizing landscape governance according to watershed, forming an RPO-style governance tree. But of course there can be as many different governance schemes as there are people, the tragedy of the commons.
There can be a method to encourage giving up ownership of land. Assess valuations and then tally, bank, and market the land. Community owned land banks would bank lands within a designated community, RPO banks would bank lands of regional (and perhaps watershed) scope. The banks should seek to maximize the value of their assets according to sustainability measures, aesthetic and enjoyment measures, and production efficiency measures set by the relevant RPO. This requires none of the current currency to initiate, nor does the banking scheme have to own any assets. All it does is keep tally of valuations and ownership of the landscape, and provide recommendations on sustainable development. Such a model can approximate some of what no ownership of land can offer.
Of course, all of these sustainability concerns are gonna play second fiddle to self-improvement ambitions until social justice needs are met. Poverty and greed are the biggest drivers of over-competition, the unfairness of which reflects itself into the surrounding natural environment. As has been discussed elsewhere, social justice concerns can also can be addressed by banking and marketing valuation algorithms.
Love is always the way
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Marbar
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Post Number: 77
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Friday, February 26, 2010 - 07:07 pm: |
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Two huge icebergs let loose off Antartica's coast: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100226/ap_on_sc/as_australia_icebergs |
Sitkaa
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Post Number: 202
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 27, 2010 - 09:01 am: |
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(RPO refers to regional planning organizations.)
Love is always the way
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Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 1037
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 06, 2010 - 01:11 am: |
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"climatic tipping points may have been reached"
From The Times March 5, 2010
Methane frozen beneath Arctic seabed destabilising, scientists warn
"Scientists aboard Russian icebreakers have discovered that methane is leaking from the sub-sea permafrost far faster than had been previously estimated, raising concerns that climatic tipping points may have been reached."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7050312.ece
http://www.theyfly.com/Atmospheric_Collapse.htm
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/327/5970/1211 |
Mahigitam
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Post Number: 111
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 09, 2010 - 08:51 pm: |
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Contact Report 214, Tuesday, February 3rd, 1987
Billy : on the 21st of August, 1986, over 1,700 people died – in addition to a lot of beasts, wild animals, and birds – when in the Central African Cameroon, a poisonous gas cloud spread itself out. Do you know something more about this?
Quetzal : ....poisonous gas cloud escaped out of a volcanic crater lake......the danger for the future wasn’t banished because by the turn of the millennium, an enormous deposit of carbon dioxide will once again accumulate under the lake, which will then be twice as large as the one in the explosion within the last year.
CORROBORATION : February, 2001
Cameroon's 'killer lake' degassed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1155057.stm
"...According to some reports, the lake now contains twice as much carbon dioxide as was released during the explosion....."
In nature there are no names... - mahigitam
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Rarena
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Post Number: 568
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 06:43 am: |
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The reference to "lack of oxygen" referenced in Jim's email to Dyson in the Translations section of this forum is happening in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of California. This may be due, in part, to the change of temperature and it's effects on the ocean currents.
I don't know if an ocean can be labeled an "atmosphere" correctly... although it is a fact that the ocean has large not-before-seen areas of low oxygen and anerobic conditions which were abundant fish producing areas previously...
It is interesting to note that "El Nino"; the large body of heated water off the coast of Chile and Peru may be part of the cause and/or artifact of recent weather anomolies and possibly even earthquakes. |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 182
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 08:28 am: |
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Hi Randy, I think the recent weather anomolies and earthquakes were all man made. If I can ever figure out how to upload my photos - definitely looks scalar. When I phoned the Edmonton base on Feb. 26, the MP told me it was F-18's out doing some exercises (I bet they were). When I asked if he knew what scalar was, he said it was chemicals in the atmosphere. He also assured me that they would only be testing weapons on their own turf. This was right before the Chile earthquake and also an earthquake north of Montreal. And Raytheon just happens to be in our vicinity so I look at them with huge suspicion. Last saturday I saw the clouds moving both north and south, it was so weird. To the northeast sits the Cold Lake/Primrose Lake Air Weapons Range and to the southeast sits the Canadian Forces Base Suffield. There was a show on tv about the fighter pilots and their dog fights and training based at Cold Lake. Also the base in Suffield has been turned into a microbiology lab and houses the Ames version of anthrax (which was mailed out right after 9/11). This isn't common knowledge as I had to read about it in Robert Graystone's book called Amerithrax. Still trying to put the pieces together......
"How the hell would you know what my line looks like, it's imaginary." - my Dad, after being told by the police to walk a straight line.
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Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 1078
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 08:57 am: |
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Toxic troubles for climate 'fix'
BBC News
Fertilising the oceans with iron to absorb carbon dioxide could increase concentrations of a chemical that can kill marine mammals, a study has found.
Iron stimulates growth of marine algae that absorb CO2 from the air, and has been touted as a "climate fix".
Now researchers have shown that the algae increase production of a nerve poison that can kill mammals and birds.
Writing in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, they say this raises "serious concern" over the idea.
The toxin - domoic acid - first came to notice in the late 1980s as the cause of amnesiac shellfish poisoning.
More: http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8569351.stm?ad=1 |
Stephen_moore
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Post Number: 234
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 03:29 pm: |
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Regarding Gaiaguys post above. no 1078
Hence the ever increasing need to curb overpopulation. There is no "Climate Fix" other than reducing the population.
Even if we didnt use fossil fuels we would still be polluting the atmosphere with our chemicals, pollution from our waste materials, deforestation (needed for land use for food and wood for furniture and house building) and a increasing depleting Oxygen supply (though I dont know how much it is depleting, I have not looked at the figures yet).
In my view, until these dummies that keep on denying overpopulation and keep on trying to come up with new wonder technologies and solutions nothing will be solved. The climate train continues to chug along the tracks towards the end of the line.
Salome
Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net
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Scott
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Post Number: 1957
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 03:11 am: |
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Hi Stephen,
Now there is increasing distress being placed on creatures of the oceans, due to lowered oxygen levels within the oceans themselves.
http://www.theolympian.com/2010/03/08/1164561/worries-rise-as-ocean-oxygen-levels.html
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Stephen_moore
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Post Number: 235
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 10:28 am: |
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Mods, Please post this post and not my previous post in this thread. Thanks
Hi Scott
Thanks for the article. I can surely use it and a couple of others which have been posted on the forum. I will be updating the 'Climate' page on my website soon and it will also will come in handy for future letters.
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The Oceans are truly suffering. Oxygen levels, pollution, over fishing, disruption of currents from the pole ice caps melting and climate change/global warming. The Oceans are the oldest eco systems on earth. Deep in the depths of the Oceans new life forms are created even today Creation through its nature is creating new life forms.
Us humans, however do not think about the damage we are causing to these fragile eco systems which do not need human interference at all to survive.
Through overpopulation we are not only destroying ourselves but dragging down almost every other life form on this planet. We humans are truly not living with nature and truly are not acting in our responsibility towards the earth through the Creational Laws and Recommendations.
These ego driven scientists and know it alls who think they can solve the problems of the world are missing the real facts of the problems, Overpopulation.
Nothing will improve until overpopulation is delt with.
I thank Eduard and FIGU for their continuing relentless approach on trying to wake up the sleep walking in this world because overpopulation is so serious that it should be on top of all agendas of any scientist, politician, religion, in fact every human being on earth. This also includes all other who are trying to help with the overpopulation problem.
I am now going for a coffee and relax. Deep breaths. 
Salome
Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net
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Johnboy
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Post Number: 29
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2010 - 06:39 am: |
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In the last six days, there have been six seaquakes offshore near Bandon, Oregon on the west coast of the U.S. Each of these quakes has been 4.0 or greater. They have all occured in roughly the same location. The disturbing thing is that other events will be happening in the next week. The sun will be crossing the equator as the season changes to spring. In addition, a seismic event that occurs about every 14 months that generates the equivalent displacement of a 6.7 quake called a 'slow movement, deep tremor' is due to begin this month in the pacific northwest. Also, the moon is in a new phase which is the equivalent of a full moon as far as tidal forces are concerned. When all of these events line up on the heels of the major earthquakes in Chile and Haiti, it becomes a very precarious situation. Could the predicted 9.0 seaquake and tsunami offshore of Bandon, Oregon (as Billy predicted) break free with all of these 'alignments'? |
Edward
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Post Number: 1725
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 02:08 am: |
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Hi Scott and Stehpen....
Am also, familiar with the Pollution related Oxygen shortage.
Even Co2, related among others, etc.; which, I watched here-and-there many
years back, now.
This, will indeed have Negative Affect on all sea creatures, as well as us
humans, of course: demand of sea foods will decrease, alas.
Very Positive for the Plejarans to Confrim, this fact.
Edward. |
Rarena
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Post Number: 570
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 11:36 am: |
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Visit any third world country and see the lack of trees, the lack of plants which produce the oxygen (we breath in) from our carbon dioxide exhalations. It is no wonder the world is suffering from a lack of oxygen...
In the time it took you to read this... twelve babies were born... twelve more sets of lungs and I'll bet the number of trees for the paperwork sacrificed announcing thier births equaled or exceeded the number of plants needed for thier viable conversion from carbon dioxide to oxygen.
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Victor
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 03:38 pm: |
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allo, my father was fisherman. I go with him when young and I remember catching MUCH more fish than today. This was only 20 year ago. He only have small fishing boat. My father have to stop fishing because no catch enough fish and not worth continue. |
Techieatwork
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Post Number: 88
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 03:41 pm: |
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Oh My Spirit.
Insane Humans of Earth are destroying the planet's foundations, in the name of so-called science experiments
From: http://www.theyfly.com/news2005/sept05/sept05.htm
"63. The most dangerous insanity, earthman commits with his underground and above the surface are bomb experiments as well as with those horrible underground explosion-tests, which he declares to ...be atom bomb tests..., however,which in truth are much more dangerous."
Dreadful Corroboration:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/03/lhc-triples-its-own-record
Salome
Carlos
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Billy: Dann sprichst du eben in geraffter Form.
Quetzal: Das will ich tun.
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Techieatwork
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Post Number: 89
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 04:01 pm: |
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hopefully the "Wired" site's moderator's will let pass my comment"
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/03/lhc-triples-its-own-record/comment-page-1/#comment-102658
Comment:
Posted by: techieatwork | 03/20/10 | 7:54 pm |
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Insane Humans of Earth, destroying the planet’s foundations, in the name of so-called science experiments:
“63. The most dangerous insanity, earth man commits with his underground and above the surface are bomb experiments as well as with those horrible underground explosion tests, which he declares to be atom bomb tests, however, which in truth are much more dangerous.”
Source: http://bit.ly/bzqQAh
All this, instead of start global policies on nativity management (not abortion or wars or ‘population control) reducing slowly the planet’s population to under 1Billion.. and opening up to the public the antigravitics and other technologies’ documentation held secret by the military ones…
We’ve became more technology-aware than spirit-aware.
Let’s come to our senses (including 6th and 7th senses) before we destroy our home.
It’s never to late to learn some good old time-immemorial unchanging truths:
http://us.figu.org/portal/SpiritualTeaching/IntroductiontotheSpiritualTeaching/tabid/91/Default.aspx
Salome
Carlos
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Billy: Dann sprichst du eben in geraffter Form.
Quetzal: Das will ich tun.
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Borthwey
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Post Number: 159
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 12:27 pm: |
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Hi Carlos
I don't think that the LHC experiment has any relation with the paragraph 63 that you mention.
Of those atom bomb tests it must be said that they yielded no considerable scientific gain and were very destructive.
This is very much unlike the LHC experiment, although a ring with a circumference of 17 miles does imply a certain intrusion on the Earth's body.
I happen to have a 1920x1200 version of the photo on your linked article as my desktop background right now.
David
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Edward
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Post Number: 1728
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 01:38 am: |
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Hi Victor....
You gave an excellent example of this poor scenario, which is occurring.
When there is not enough Oxygen in our oceans the sea life will indeed, have
to face such harsh consequences, alas; and even the ocean plant life. This
will also have affect on the most healthy (for consumption, supplements, etc.)
types of alge, etc.
But, fortunately, here in the country I live, there will be the world's biggest
cultivating Alge facility, built; which will research all the positive usages,
etc., of the mentioned, and even keep them from extinction; which can
affect whatever sorts...still in existence, today.
We even have here, the biggest SEED Bank of the world! Practically, all seeds
of Earth's plant life is conserved.
Edward. |
Victor
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 03:45 am: |
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allo Edward, yes there no only much less oxygen in oceans today but also they over fished too! We are RAPING our once bueatiful oceans! So sad to see this happen.  |
Victor
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 03:52 am: |
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It no small fishing boat that raping the oceans. They never did this in past. It all the big fishing boat that raping the oceans, and the methods to catch fish do much more damage then small fishing boat ever could or did. |
Techieatwork
Member
Post Number: 92
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 03:41 pm: |
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Hi all:
This is good progress; It's now possible to have your house or building made out of 100% recycled materials. The structures would use 18 Tonnes of waste materials, which do normally go to land-fills.
http://www.affresol.com/non-timber-framed-low-cost-housing.asp
For the time being, not until this company has manufacturing plants in different continents, the transporting will still be a source of pollution.
But absolutely, this is very good progress.. I would support this idea!
Salome
Carlos
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Billy: Dann sprichst du eben in geraffter Form.
Quetzal: Das will ich tun.
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Marbar
Member
Post Number: 94
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Friday, March 26, 2010 - 10:52 am: |
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A dispute about the a tink rock island in the Bay of Bengal. At one point, major cities will be disappaering into the sea next.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100324/ap_on_sc/as_india_disappearing_island |
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