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Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 872
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 02, 2010 - 07:04 pm: | 
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Sorry, Darren.
Osmotic desalinisation is still insanely demanding/destructive when powered by conventional 20th Century electricity generation. Even wind-farms are now being shown to perturb wind and weather patterns, with unintended and unexpected consequences.
I still opt for curtailing our lemming-like proliferation until we can fit the planet, instead of trying to stretch the planet to contain us.
And you shouldn't believe anything you see on TV.
You shouldn't believe anything, period.
Not even Billy, as he's quick to point out. :-)
Cheers!
Dyson |
Darren
Member
Post Number: 145
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 01:16 am: |
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The new plant/system that was built wasn't based only on a new Osmotic desalinisation system but also on other new things/technology, eg new plant uses a fifth less power to run. I wish I could post a link with more info on it but I can't. It was on Discovery Science channel. Maybe someones put it on You-Tube and hopefully I'll then post link here. If not I can wait for it to be shown again on cable which won't be too long.
I don't believe everything I hear/see but I don't think theres anything NOT to believe in that doco because the plant is working here and now. I see no reason to think they would be giving false figures/statistics for the plant. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1924
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 01:57 am: |
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Hi Dyson,
Without straying too much off topic here, I am trying to figure out what I'm looking at in that image of the wind turbines you posted. Are those turbines erected in water, because the turbines seemed to be placed onto the image. It could be a legitimate photo, but it just looks odd...
Tnxs
Scott |
Darren
Member
Post Number: 146
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 05:03 am: |
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Carlos, sorry, i forgot to respond back to your questions.
I don't know the answers to those questions but I think i read somewhere in the notes that Fluoride is no good for us. Don't ask me where though. |
Darren
Member
Post Number: 147
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 05:19 am: |
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"Is Fluoride really needed to keep teeth and bones strong?"
Thats what they (scientists, media) also always kept telling us the same thing about milk until we discovered from the P's and also from some of our own further independent tests revealed that the opposite was true. |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 159
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 07:43 am: |
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Just a quick comment regarding desalination methods,
A few years ago while researching for a sustainability class I ran across a paper that discussed saline precipitation through large-scale electro-chemical means. Much more efficient than using RO filters.
Love is always the way
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Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 881
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 01:51 pm: |
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Dear Scott,
Yes, I should have mentioned that it is an "off-shore" wind farm. I don't know where.
(Darren, I'm not saying it's lies, just that even 20% of the electricity required for conventional desalination is too much, when the root of the problem is too many people.)
Cheers!
Dyson |
Marksmanr
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Post Number: 142
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, February 06, 2010 - 02:28 am: |
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Here's a documentary on overpopulation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF15YAvT9G0
It's called "Horizon: 2009-2010: How Many People Can Live on Planet Earth?".
Salome.
Reece Stiller
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Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 489
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, February 06, 2010 - 09:37 am: |
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Good find, Reece! Thanks for posting that on YouTube!
Regards
Bob |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 167
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 06, 2010 - 01:17 pm: |
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Anybody here serious about putting together an overpop doc? It should be an interesting project to provide FIGU's perspective on the topic.
Love is always the way
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Matt
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Post Number: 120
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 06, 2010 - 01:38 pm: |
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Thanks too Reece!
That was a very good documentary on overpopulation! |
Edward
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Post Number: 1655
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 04:42 am: |
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Hi Reece....
Yes, saw that one when it first came out. With, Sir David Attenborough. [Think
I mentioned this once, here or at the PAR/PlsRReal...?]
Excellent summery....
Edward. |
Darren
Member
Post Number: 153
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 10:31 pm: |
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The thing they didn't mention in that overpopulation documentary is how our economies are inescapably tied to a steady population growth. I'm referring to new housing erections driving and being the backbone of our economies. |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 170
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - 06:20 am: |
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Production is the backbone of an economy. Building houses is an aspect of building communities.
Current models of growing economies require (as in absolutely need) continued expansion carried on into foreseeable perpetuity. Of course, this is an ignore-ant model, since the realizations endemic to sustainability concepts obviate limits to growth.
A better economic model is folded into community development. When the community's maintenance and appropriate growth is the objective, the economy simply follows suit. Of course, this model would necessarily adjust how work is valued...
Love is always the way
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Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 171
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - 10:44 am: |
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Posted by Smukhuti on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 12:54 pm:
"Omega Point was originally a religious thought and hinges on the assumption that everything gravitates towards a maximum complexity or maximum evolution (God conciousness) and “more is better because it helps solve the complex system” and once that state is reached, we start from beginning point zero. But we in this forum know that while there is the cycle (each time better than previous), there is no maximum or mandatory tipping point from where Creation will set itself to learn from zero – there’s constant evolution. There is also the law of cause and effect where if we have something excess we also have to suffer the consequence."
The Omega Point to which I refer is a gentle tipping point. One never notices one has gone over the edge until we look back at whence we've come. This includes such astonishing realizations, for example, as:
1. That we are not the only people in the Universe. Many other people in our universe are more advanced, more moral, more free and happy and creative, but still they are just people, like us.
2. That we live free to be ourselves forever, and that love is always the way to build further self-growth.
3. That a free, peaceful, creative, sustainable, happy, utopian society is possible if put together right - and that we have the blueprints.
3. That there is a reachable state of consciousness growth, wherein other people with 'high vibes' have gone before us all and learned incredible things, even evolving their physical forms into expressable light, and their mental consciousnesses into an organized collective pool.
And somewhere back there, somewhere between where we started and we are now, we breached an Omega Point.
In a universal model consisting of thoughtwaves, the Hundredth Monkey syndrome takes on reality forming characteristics. Breaching our Omega Points as we grow is not necessarily something to be feared (since we never die), but rather is characteristic of an rocky and emotional stage of our (collective) spiritual evolution, one where false starts & beliefs act as motivators for the criminally insane leadership of this planet.
We may get beyond our current stage of collective vibes, but we may not. We may be eaten by giant transuniversal space plants. We may blow each other to smithereens. We may imprison each other not only physically but mentally as well, reincarnating over and over like this in slow motion spiritual evolution until our collective vibes finally allow us to stop fearing each other, and live with love, which may reasonably take 5 years or 500 billion. These are our Omega Points, our collective realizations, the ones which we have surpassed. The ones which are coming have to do with questioning life: what is it, why do we live it, and how to relate to transdimensional/transuniversal concepts of it (but that is a discussion for another day).
As our vibe increases, surpassing our Omega Points involves increasing numbers of people learning telepathy, some learning sooner, and some learning later. But this is not process that needs to be feared, rather the people who automatically pick this skill up are simply more in tune with other individuals. And yet there is still more consciousness evolution.
It is indeed an interesting process, this evolution of ours. Omega Points are merely tricks of the past. And the guideposts always say "Love is the way".
Love is always the way
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Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 172
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - 11:05 am: |
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How shall an overpopulated planet set up a fair economy? One where everyone gets to do what they want to do, and yet society still functions. One where no one needs to cheat, or dominate, or hurt anyone else simply to live a freely comfortable life.
What are little boys made of?
What are little boys made of?
Frogs and snails
And puppy-dogs' tails,
That's what little boys are made of.
What are little girls made of?
What are little girls made of?
Sugar and spice
And everything that's nice,
That's what little girls are made of.
It would so easy if could just all get along with each other. Why can't we just all get along? In point of fact, we can.
Love is always the way
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Darren
Member
Post Number: 155
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - 11:31 am: |
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Hi Sitka,
People say that the Petroleum industries are the biggest companies/sector, but their not really. We only spend a small amount of our money on petrol. The bulk of our monies goes to buying a house/paying of home loans. Thats the sector that drive our economies. Any birth reduction will have a considerate/huge affect on our economies. |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 173
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - 08:26 pm: |
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A group of international bankers has the most effect upon the decisions that drive currency valuations and subsequent social investment, not the housing industry, nor even the oil/chemical industry.
Maintaining a healthy economic system while reducing the birth rate is possible only once the economic system no longer needs to grow to thrive. This is not possible given the current economic model based on fractional reserve banking. The concept of credit itself is not the problem, but the way credit is valued and tallied is.
Love is always the way
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Bianca
Member
Post Number: 59
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 12:09 am: |
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Thanks Reece for the link to David Attenborough's clip on You Tube. I admire the man and his courage and have a collection of his documentaries on so many topics, something I will be enjoying watching immensely in my older age! And... I was happily surprised and most impressed with the PEACE symbol you posted, what a great idea, I am sure people will be wondering about it correctness. This is very positive, Thanks ! |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 180
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 05:59 am: |
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Please do support the Center for Biological Diversity. They get it.
http://www.endangeredspeciescondoms.com/
Love is always the way
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Phenix
Member
Post Number: 322
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 12:54 am: |
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Peace in wisdom be with you,
Certainly, Sitkaa!
Here is another neutral-positively good news from the overpopulation awareness front:
BREAKING GPSO NEWS -- AUSTRALIAN MP PRAISES EFFORT, FULFILLS PLEDGE
Briefly: "Washington DC – Australian MP Kelvin Thomson has added his voice to an international group of sustainability activists, environmental scientists and concerned citizens who are speaking out publically this month regarding the fundamental relationship between human population and environmental health.
Their efforts are organized by the Washington DC based Population Institute, with a special program titled Global Population Speak Out.
“We are pleased to recognize the foresight and leadership that MP Thomson has demonstrated by stepping forward to lend his voice to the Global Population Speak Out,” said William Ryerson, President of Population Institute.
“Kelvin is in the vanguard of a new class of elected representatives – those who know rapid population growth is not acceptable to their constituents and are willing to face-down the vested interests who habitually promote unsustainable population growth as an economic panacea,” continued Ryerson.
As part of his contribution to Global Population Speak Out, Thomson gave a speech at a public meeting of Sustainable Population Australia in Canberra on February 10th.
Praising the Population Institute as “a world class leader in promoting worldwide voluntary family planning and reproductive health services,” he noted that with their February program, the organization had, “assembled a
formidable array of ecologists, biologists, academics and activists from all around the world to speak out on the need to address and remedy the size and growth of human population both internationally and in the home countries of all the participants.”
Sustainability and population issues have been front and center in the Australian press in recent months.
Last October, Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd roiled political waters by proclaiming his approval of population growth and his allegiance to a “big Australia.” The backlash has been so significant that Rudd has had to tone down his rhetoric, now saying only that if Australia’s birthrates and immigration policies do not change, population will inevitably grow.
In the meantime, Thomson has released a 14 point plan for stabilizing Australia’s population at 26 million by 2050, and a new political party is reportedly being formed by an entrepreneur from Sydney -- specifically to address population concerns in Australia.
In addition to MP Thomson, Population Institute has attracted many notable environmentalists and conservationists from all around the world to join Global Population Speak Out.
They include the President of the European Section of the Society for Conservation Biology, Director of Conservation for the African Conservation Foundation and the CEO of the World Land Trust, John Burton." [...]
http://gpso.wordpress.com/
Shall we say,"the 'Aussies' rule!"?:-)
We, The Circle For Humanity, are actively participating to Global Population Speak Out, together with the Center For Biological Diversity, indeed.
Heed to Creation!
Salome,
Adam
www.thecircleforhumanity.net |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 198
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 19, 2010 - 05:03 pm: |
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too many people
and not enough value for the ones we already have
Love is always the way
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Borthwey
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Post Number: 150
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, February 21, 2010 - 02:30 pm: |
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"the world's entire human population can fit in the state of Texas"
I hear this a lot.
It's silly really, one doesn't need the entire state of Texas to contain the Earth's human population.
I did some calculations, a couple of these holes would be enough.
David
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