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Smukhuti
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Post Number: 329
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Monday, April 19, 2010 - 11:59 am: | 
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Thanks Phenix. That sums up the matter in a concise manner.
Salome.
Suv
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Davidmg
Member
Post Number: 51
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Monday, April 19, 2010 - 06:22 pm: |
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Between all the other so called truth sayers and media pimps, if their focus is attention and a wow factor then you kind of wonder what they feed off of to keep going.
Besides, the ones who actually know where it can and will hurt the powerful ones are kept in place under a watchful eye. There are traps built into their system to continually test the ones in the lower ranks of power. It has been there for decades. And now with the increasing sophistication of technology it is even harder.
If caught, the action are swift and very very powerful. The art of succession, protection and slight of hand has been perfected by these powerful people. So, when the next big event happens don't watch show, watch the people back stage, the one who have rehearsed the event carefully.
It is a chess game, where every move is watched by both players and spectators. A place where only the very skillful are not afraid to play.
To the top players, Alex Jones has an annoyance level of a mosquito. If Alex Jones wants to be successful at what he does, then he should stop broadcasting his next move. Not very intelligent don't you think. Especially when you want to play chess? You don't see that with the high rollers and their family tree of companies. But yes, Alex Jones does dare to go where many don't. |
Hunter
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Post Number: 333
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 19, 2010 - 06:29 pm: |
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Smukhuti,
No, it doesn't sum up anything. As I've said, those are different websites and represent a completely different sort of plan that happens to have the same name. They are completely unaffiliated. Maybe if you guys would, again, ACTUALLY READ AND WATCH THE LINKS I'm providing, you might know what you're talking about. Until then, I guess you will continue to post based on ignorance and prejudice.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Hunter
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Post Number: 334
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 19, 2010 - 06:47 pm: |
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Darren,
To go over these links, on
http://www.break.com/usercontent/2010/4/2/disinformation-agent-provocateur-alex-jones-1800184
This was Jones portraying the character of the joker. The comments in the video clip are a total mischaracterization of what he was doing. He was playing the character and explains it in part of the broadcast, if you watch the entire broadcast on youtube. A little over the top for my taste, but I guess it was a creative direction that they wanted to try for one broadcast.
On the http://www.wingtv.net/gcnabc.html link, looks like this is a "broad stroke" against several people. The only point on Alex Jones links to you last below...
And finally - what do we have here? Well it's a Christian site
http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/jones.html
Now what interests me about this is the hypocrisy. You guys are attacking any mention of Christianity in my links, and using it to discredit the remaining 99% of the information, but then you turn around and use Christianity when it suits you... Wow. Another fine example of intellectual dishonesty.
In regards to this last link, were any of these allegations made under oath or in court testimony? Anyone can say or claim anything they want, but that's just hearsay. And I'd certainly like to hear Jones' account of those events.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 450
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 04:35 am: |
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Hi Hunter,
Here's a happy snap of RAP pin up hero.
Now those stooges of Guardian Elders fame ..... After listening to more than 4 minutes of their interview comes a distinct impression these guys appear to be a front for ..... who ??? and why ???
Just listen to the godspiel and bible references. It's all there in plain hearing.
This motley crew simply lack the intelligence to knock a scheme of this magnitude together alone and remember ..... who financed Hitler ?? Who behind the the curtain poured money into Germany ?? and for what reason ??
It's not that hard to discover after some research.
The US Constitution clearly provides for a separation of church and state yet RAP are undeniably proposing their version of a holy godpublic under sky daddy ..... off course with themselves at the top of the pyramid being the self chosen Guardian Elders. All there, read the print.
Yeah man, these guys were where during the Bush years ????? and now that a black man is president suddenly it's onward christian crusaders for dismantling the constitution.
So among those Guardian Elders and other spokesmen ..... all male aren't they ??? YES ... Why ??? Why no females ??? ..... how many Hispanic, African American, Native American, Slavic etc names among the principles ??? How many ???
Seems it's only god loving true christians .... just to keep the movement racially pure .... For sure i am intellectualy dishonest to mention such things.
Cheers.
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Phenix
Member
Post Number: 339
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 05:32 am: |
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Peace in wisdom be with you,
Hunter: " you have stumbled upon a site unaffiliated with the Restore America plan."
So be it; although i do not see much of a difference with this - from the 'Rationale' of the restore America plan:
http://guardiansofthefreerepublics.com/rationale.html
"We asked ourselves if we are enjoined by the Book of Revelation from acting on behalf of freedom and mankind. After much prayer and soul-searching, we concluded unanimously that the need for action was self-evident. We are called to action."
"Could we reasonably expect to restore Biblical law to a devoutly secular population that cherishes television, promiscuity, physical debasement and electronic devices with religious fervor, and that suffers the warped belief that advertisements for personal hygiene products and Viagra in our homes does not debase our children?"
"And finally, we constructed “The unanimous Declaration of the sovereign People of the united States of America to restore and reinhabit the free American Republics” to be a shining covenant with the Creator. His charging the People with dominion over all the earth in the Book of Genesis is declared in the very first paragraph as the foundation for the restoration. In so doing, the Declaration is established in history as a genuine covenant with the Creator in honor of the Law."
...and so on...
And frankly speaking, i am not at all interested in this issue, this ideology or any other ideology.
As i previously wrote, i found this issue pretty senseless and utterly disruptive and decided to refrain from any further postings thereon; your persistance, your assessment of the stance of Billy on the nature/personality of president Obama and of his efforts and the question of Ramirez made me post the link to that site, which i found some days back.
The fact, that you caste doubt on the information from Billy, the FIGU Core Group and the Plejaren - through Ptaah - about president Obama, opposing their views to those of Mr. Alex Jones and of the ideologists of restore America plan, to which you give your preference, puzzles me pretty much.
I am solely trying to understand how someone, who is familiar with the works of Billy and knows what FIGU stands for, could get so passionate about an ideology (any ideology), so closely associate himself with it and present it at this forum in such a personal, unneutral way, as you do.
Sadly, the probable outcome of this whole thing, if any, would be to ensure/precipitate the desintegration of the United States of America, as stated in the Henoch Prophecies, with all the resulting consequences - as a senior member of our forum reminded us of, in private - , namely:
"Civil wars and anarchy in America
Yet the misery on Earth will continue, as two terrible civil wars will break out in America, whereby one will follow the other. Afterwards, the United States of America will break apart and deadly hostility will prevail among her, which then leads to the division into five different territories; and it cannot be prevented that sectarian fanatics will play a dictatorial role.":
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Henoch_Prophecies
I think, it would be useful to once again, neutrally, consider the following:
Auszug aus dem 479. Kontaktgespräch vom 5. September 2009; FIGU Sonder-Bulletin 50, November 2009.
"Ptaah: ...Aussergewöhnliches ergibt sich auch in bezug auf den USA-Präsidenten Barack Obama, denn er wird die unsinnigen und wirren Pläne des vorgegangenen Präsidenten und Kriegshetzers Bush hinsichtlich des geplanten nordosteuropäischen Raketenabwehrsystems zunichte machen und das Ganze ausser Kraft setzen, folglich er einen Strategiewechsel vollzieht und den schwachsinnig und kriegshetzerisch zu nennenden Aufbau des Systems verhindert. Dann ergibt sich, dass beim UNO-Sicherheitsrat eine wichtige Resolution verabschiedet wird.
Eine Resolution, die auf den Abbau von atomaren Waffen ausgerichtet ist und die auf die ersten diesbezüglichen Bemühungen des USA-Präsidenten Barack Obama zurückführt. Ein Akt, der nicht nur von Russland, sondern auch von diversen anderen Staaten willkommen geheissen werden wird.
Er wird der erste Staatspräsident auf der Erde sein, der diesbezüglich vernünftig handelt und dafür auch den Friedens-Nobelpreis erhalten wird.
Das allerdings wird rund um die Welt nicht derart gewürdigt, wie es richtig wäre, sondern es werden von Politikern und Journalisten usw. dumme Reden gegen Barack Obama geführt und ihm untergeschoben, dass er sich die Auszeichnung künftig erst verdienen müsse.
Welche Leistung er jedoch allein schon damit vollbringt, dass erstmals ein Abbau des Raketenabwehrsystems und der atomaren Waffen in internationale staatliche Gespräche kommt, das wird durch die Dummheit jener nicht anerkannt und verstanden werden, welche in ihrer Selbstsucht und Überheblichkeit Obamas Leistung nicht zu würdigen verstehen."
My rough, unofficial and unauthorized translation of which reads - i already hear the thunder of Dyson :-):
Excerpt from Contact Report 479 of September 5th 2009; FIGU Special Bulletin no 50, November 2009.
"Ptaah: something unusual (pecular/extraordinary) results (takes place/follows) also regarding the USA president Barack Obama, for [because] he will nullify (annul/set aside) the unreasonable and confused plans of the former president and 'warmonger' Bush regarding the planned northeastEuropean anti-missile defense system, and will repeal (suspend/render inoperative) the whole [thing]; he consequently (therefore) carries out a change of strategy and prevents the build-up of the system, which system could be called silly (irrational/feeble-minded) and 'warmongering'.
It will then result/follow, that the UN Security Council will adopt an important resolution. A resolution, which is directed to [intended to/aimed at] the dismantling/removal of atomic weapons and which [resolution] is to be attributed to the first efforts of the USA president Barack Obama on this matter. An act, which, not only Russia but also various other states will welcome.
He will be the first president on earth, to act reasonably on this issue, and will receive the Nobel Peace Prize for that.
This, however, would not be appreciated around the world, in a way, which would have been correct/just [the way it should be], and politicians and journalists and so forth will run [hold/utter] stupid speeches against Barack Obama and will put underneath him (/object/argue/impute), that he would have to earn the honour for himself only in the future.
The achievement, which he has already accomplished with the fact alone, that a dismantling of the anti-missile defense system and of atomic weapons is for the first time a topic of international discussions at states level, will not be acknowledged and understood by [through/because of] the stupidity of those, who - in their egoism/selfishness and presumption/arrogance - are unable to appreciate the effort/achievement of Obama."
Salome. |
Darren
Member
Post Number: 231
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 06:08 am: |
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"This was Jones portraying the character of the joker. The comments in the video clip are a total mischaracterization of what he was doing. He was playing the character and explains it in part of the broadcast,..."
But he loses it all the time?! No actually his worse in real life. Here is a 4 minute clip showing the real side of Alex Jones when he gets exposed on his own show. Warning plenty of F words (at end) but worth the watch.
Alex Jones EXPOSED ON HIS OWN SHOW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrfNEp9wZ0Y&feature=related
" but then you turn around and use Christianity when it suits you... Wow. Another fine example of intellectual dishonesty."
No, not dishonesty. I didn't use Christianity when it suited me. (not that i believe it) It was there. I got both those links from same page titled -
The Case for Alex Jones being a Disinformation Agent
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=8778828877&topic=4429 |
Thomas57
New member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 11:47 am: |
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Hi - Newcomer' here!
I read much of what people say about the US President, Barrack Obama. WHat I do NOT see, is the understanding and comprehension of the Constitutional Republic we have here. Obama is only a piece of the WHOLE of Government. He is in the Executive Branch - the money spent by the "USA" comes from ALL the Congressmen/women and those Senators. THEY spend ALL the money(money bills originate in the US House OF Representatives. Obama could no more change the economy than he could survive assignation from the banksters that run the CIA and country.
The problem is not in the Government - it IS with the uneducated PEOPLE. WE ARE the GOVERNMENT here.
Stupid people = stupid actions of those PEOPLE's government.
The ONE thing I SEE clearly - is that Obama incites discussion around the world(sort of like Billy!) - and THAT will change this world's way of thinking - as only that, is where Change We Can Believe In, comes from!
A former republican/ constitutionalist, and free-thinker! |
Hunter
Member
Post Number: 336
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 11:47 am: |
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Ramirez,
Yes, you are intellectually dishonest, because you continue to ignore all my points that clearly refute your argument. And here you are again posting Nazi photos. Very clever. That will certainly win points in any formal debate. Let's not discuss facts - let's post Nazi pictures. ROTFL. I can't take you seriously.
I've said I disagree with their Christianity, but this seems to be all you want to focus on. You don't fault Barack Obama for stating he is a Christian, but you definitely fault these guys.
One question - if a Christian tells you 2 + 2 = 4, is he or she wrong because they're Christian?
The answer demonstrates the logical fallacy in your "reasoning."
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Hunter
Member
Post Number: 337
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 12:43 pm: |
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Phenix,
Thanks for the response. You seem to be falling for the same logical fallacy as Ramirez, so I'll pose the same question to you: If a Christian tells you 2 + 2 = 4, is he or she wrong because they're a Christian? Just because they are wrong about Christianity, doesn't mean that they're wrong about law, economics, etc.
You're also cherry picking when you go to the site. Here are some quotes from the link that go to the root purposes:
http://guardiansofthefreerepublics.com/rationale.html
"The Guardian Elders deliberated with great sobriety the wisdom of sitting on our hands while the march to World War III continues."
So they see the clear march to World War III that the corporate government has taken us on - and that Billy has continued to warn us about. If you listen to last week's update report from Sam Kennedy he announces that the Constitutional goal should be for the U.S. to have a national militia - the same as the Swiss model. I think Switzerland has a pretty good record with remaining a peaceful country, so that seems like a very logical goal to me.
Also, the "Biblical law" they refer to, if you listen to their in depth explanations in other forums, is the common law. The common law is purely logical - because only an injured party - someone who has had force, fraud or coercion initiated against them, can claim a legal grievance. Now we can do other things beyond that, but first we have to restore liberty and end the soft tyranny that we currently live under which is facilitated by the global money predators - and end the military imperalism as well.
"The one common belief that ties the American population together is faith in the Constitution."
Which is a good thing because the original intent secures LIBERTY - and has been expanded to include LIBERTY for all people and all races. Constitutional law is obviously a longer discussion, but if you want to get into specifics on that, then I'll be happy to discuss. On liberty, Billy and the Plejarens state many times that human beings need freedom to develop their highest potential. Without freedom, all sorts of problems will arise from the law of cause and effect.
And finally from the link:
"The Restore America Plan capitalizes on THEIR belief system as a vehicle for relieving corporate tyranny. In due time, the higher goal of salvaging the souls of mankind can be addressed."
Now, once we have restored liberty, while in their minds they will seek a more Christian world through persuasion, we will also have a better opportunity to persuade them. We will also have the opportunity to share the legal structure for liberty with the rest of the world, and create a world government based on freedom and liberty. They don't see that right now and wouldn't agree with us on that right now - but then they've never been exposed to this information. The only frame of reference most people have of world government right now is a negative one - because that is the type of world government that the Bilderberg/money predator elites seek. Summary: living in a land of peace and prosperity will give us more opportunities to talk to these people and convince them we're right.
And I guarantee you that I could take Billy Meier to a face to face meeting with Tim Turner tomorrow and he would hear him out. Might not immediately agree with him, but he would at least talk to the man.
I cast doubt on information - yes - because it is not illogical to question things and to think for ourselves. There is nothing wrong with that. We want a balance of open-mindedness and skepticism - as a further attempt to try and be neutral.
As to the Henoch prophecies, the outcome of the Restore America plan will not be civil war and anarchy - unless the Bilderberg group - or rogue elements of the CIA decide to stage some sort of false flag operation to create a panic. The transition will be completely peaceful, and the vast majority of Americans will be unaware (just as they're unaware of Billy Meier and a great many other truths), until they actually notice their freedom and liberty being restored.
The Restore America plan is about one thing: LIBERTY. So those who are opposed to human liberty may very well try to sabotage it through violent means.
On Obama's "dismantling" of the missile shield - yes - that's a good development. But it would have taken place under the Restore America plan as well. Again, the Constitution does not allow for a permanent standing army in peacetime - nor does it allow for military alliances. It only allows for peaceful trade and negotiation with other nations. The Guardian Elders of the plan have stated this on several occasions.
So, those points from the contact report you quoted were good - but Obama could still be doing things more logically. For example, I would prefer to see him remove all troops from the rest of the world. Then, the animosity against the U.S. would lessen, which would in turn reduce the risk of nuclear war.
And economically, I still think he is doing a terrible job. Again, Billy has stated that hyperinflation is indeed a possibility for us. And that happens for one reason and one reason only - PRINTING TOO MUCH MONEY. And all Obama has done so far is print a lot of money.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Hunter
Member
Post Number: 338
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 12:45 pm: |
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Darren,
On Alex Jones, I never said I was a fan of the man. I do find his personality somewhat abrasive, so I don't listen to his show a lot. I mostly read links on his websites.
Which brings us back to my point - FACTS. Alex does post some facts on his site that the mainstream media will not report. I think it's good to look at all the information available, and that's why I check in on his site from time to time.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Hunter
Member
Post Number: 339
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 12:51 pm: |
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Darren,
On the Christianity issue, yes, it was intellectual dishonesty on your part if you're criticizing the Restore America plan because many of its members are Christian, while at the same time using a website to attack Jones that was maintained and written by Christians using many references to their religion.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Darren
Member
Post Number: 233
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 - 08:46 pm: |
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Have you checked out this very informative site about him.
Alex Jones Exposed!
http://opposingdigits.com/alex/ |
Phenix
Member
Post Number: 340
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 02:45 am: |
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Peace in wisdom be with you,
Indeed, Thomas57; welcome among us.
Hunter,
It is obvious, that you have been away for quite some while, as you candidly admitted it, for we have already been there.
In order to avoid turning this into yet another Obama/anti-Obama venue, let's once again set the records straight.
You are of course free to decide which sources of information are trustworthy for you, on which data you apply your critical, neutral/objective mind: those from Billy, FIGU and the Plejaren or those from others, including Mr. Alex Jones and the restore America plan. It is your own responsibility.
I nevertheless cordially invite you to consider this, as neutrally/objectively as you can:
End January 2009, moderator Patric issued the following statement at the thread 'Verbrechen der Amerikaner' ( post 443; Veröffentlicht am Samstag, 31. Januar 2009 - 01:18 Uhr: http://forum.figu.org/de/messages/17/4905.html?1233393550 ):
[...]"Wir wissen aus absolut zuverlässiger Quelle, dass Barack Obama ein grundanständiger Mensch ist, der seit vielen Jahren für das Wohl der Menschen arbeitet und dass Menschlichkeit sein Leitmotiv ist, für das er sich gegenwärtig und zukünftig einsetzen wird, sofern er nicht abgeknallt wird, weil er diesbezüglich gegen viele und mächtige Interessengruppen arbeitet. Und obwohl Barack Obama sich der sehr schweren Aufgabe seines Amtes zur aktuellen Zeit und der ständig drohenden Ermordungsgefahr klar bewusst ist, scheut er seine Verantwortung nicht, um etwas Gutes für die Menschen, nicht nur innerhalb der USA, sondern - nach Möglichkeit - auch für die gesamte irdische Menschheit zu bewirken [...]"
Salome
Patric Chenaux/FIGU."
My rough, unofficial and unauthorized translation (hello again, Dyson...):
[...]"We know from absolutely reliable source that Barack Obama is a fundamentally (basically) decent person, who works (has been working) for many years for the well-being of humans and that humanity is his leitmotiv (motto), for which he dedicates (invests) himself at the present time and will do so in the future, if (provided) he is not killed (shoot down), because he works against many and powerful groups of interests. And although Barack Obama is clearly aware of the very heavy task of his office in the current time and the constantly threatening danger of murder (being murdered), he does not shrink from his responsibility, in order to do (to accomplish) something good for humans, not only within the USA, but - if possible - also for the entire terrestrial mankind [...]"
Shortly after, this stance was confirmed by moderator Stephan ( Post 383: http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/de/discus.cgi?pg=next&topic=17&page=4905 ):
"Die "offizielle" Stellung der FIGU hat Patric als Moderator hervorragend vermittelt."
That is:
"In his quality of moderator, Patric has outstandingly expressed the 'official' position of FIGU."
It is about the president of your nation, Hunter; president Obama and his policy are not the issue here.
As for the steps he took in the economy - which you view as illogical, destructive, foolish and the like... - , i really wonder, whether one could have acted differently in the context of the accelerated meltdown of the american and global finances and economy, which he inherited.
I think, that many would even say, that president Obama handled it rather honourably and that worst has been avoided.
And again, economy is solely a tiny part of the whole picture; as a rule, economy is limited to the material needs of humans and the ways of satisfying them, which are often selfish, short-sighted and, alas, also detrimental for the flora, fauna, the wider environment; to the sustainability of the whole.
By now, mankind and its lawful leadership should be at a stage, where priority is/should be given to the care for life in all its forms and modes of being and manifestation, to the harmonious preservation of the whole, to the sustainability of the planet.
The condition sine qua non to achieving this higher goal, the golden way towards this shift of consciousness, the key to true sustainability and humanness are the awareness of the global human overpopulation and the fight against it, through the swift implementation of a worldwide, ethical, democratic (applicable to each and all) and scientific system of birth control.
From the news, at the time:
'Obama reverses Bush abortion-funds policy'
By LIZ SIDOTI and MATTHEW LEE, Associated Press Writers – Fri Jan 23.
Briefly: "WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama on Friday struck down the Bush administration's ban on giving federal money to international groups that perform abortions or provide abortion information — an inflammatory policy that has bounced in and out of law for the past quarter-century. Obama's executive order, the latest in an aggressive first week reversing contentious Bush policies, was warmly welcomed by liberal groups and denounced by abortion rights foes." [...]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_abortion_ban
As i then acknowledged it, this policy is not as rational and 'controlled' as the recommendations of Billy and we are certainly very far from the '21 Day Rule', but in the context of global overpopulation, it could be considered a step in the right direction - and the Vatican was quick to condemn it. Of course!
And here is the assessment of this decision by a representative of Pathfinder International, in the framework of a currently ongoing discussion at the 'Care2' community, called 'Why We Should Care about Family Planning this Earth Day' - Lorelai R., April 20, 2010:
[...]" And most importantly, as far as the US goes, during our previous administration, there was a Global gag order in force. This order was made to cut any and all health care clinic funding for any clinic that had mention of abortion, but in reality what happened was that family planning was completely eliminated. Mentioning birth control itself got funds denied, and so many clinics were therefore closed, putting already at risk peoples in medical crisis, and family planning suffered in poor nations around the globe. Personally, i find this extremely shameful.
The amount of government funds sent to third world countries by the US and other nations for the purpose of health care is surprisingly large. Private donations and organizations do even more work. Pres. Obama rescinded the freezing of funds, and clinics that take US support money are now able to offer family planning again."
http://www.care2.com/causes/womens-rights/blog/why-family-planning-is-critical-this-earth-day/
Dear friend, if you really want to contribute to true liberty, to the freedom of mankind from tyranny and all the rest, do then add your voice and efforts to the struggle against overpopulation, be active in this field; join the 'Crusade Against Overpopulation', send this work to those 50 US governors - as clearly asked by our Prophet:
"Important Appeal
Dear readers,
Please copy and disseminate this booklet, A Crusade Against Overpopulation, as vigorously as you can, and do not forget to place your return address on the envelope. Should you have perfect command of a foreign language, please translate the booklet text. We would appreciate receiving a copy of your translation and, along with it, your written permission for further use of the translation in case we require it.
It is important to disseminate this text worldwide. Indeed, only through this action will it ever be possible to publicize the fatal overpopulation problem. This action will also allow deliberate, international measures to be taken against overpopulation and against torture and capital punishment. (The pamphlet Torture, Capital Punishment and Overpopulation can be obtained from FIGU. It may be copied, translated and distributed as well.) Please disseminate these writings to the best of your ability. Send copies of the texts to your relatives, acquaintances, friends, colleagues and associates; to physicians and scientists; to organizations of all types; to churches and sects that preach unrestrained human procreation; to environmental protection agencies and clubs of all types; to relief and peace organizations; to ministers, priests and clergymen; to radio and television stations, newspapers, journals, periodicals, tabloids and others; to the authorities, journalists, politicians, the military, legal authorities, schools and universities, attorneys, the government and all types of agencies; to private citizens, professors and officials; to businesses and corporations; to every Tom, Dick and Harry, and any other person of whom you may think. The overpopulation problem, along with the ensuing destruction of life on Earth and the planet itself, concerns all human beings, even those in the remotest and loneliest of hovels.
Please help us in our crusade against overpopulation and the destruction of all life on Earth. It is only through your help and that of every single person, that this suffocating monster and destroyer called overpopulation can be checked, reduced and normalized [...]"
Billy.
http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/ACrusadeAgainstOverpopulation/tabid/102/Default.aspx
Salome,
Adam - wwww.thecircleforhumanity.net |
Bianca
Member
Post Number: 73
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 06:42 am: |
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I know that in the past Dyson released an article about israel's whistle blower named Mordechai Vanunu who went public with nuclear production and atomic bombs facilities stationed in israel, but i just found this clip and thought that some may find it interesting and forward it on, until its 'disappears' off the net...?
Fascinating... just recently, Obama had talks with world leaders about Nuclear proliferation, israel has chosen not to attend.
I wonder when will the world wake up?
http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=86 |
Hunter
Member
Post Number: 340
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 09:43 am: |
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Phenix,
Thanks again. To the quote:
[...]"We know from absolutely reliable source that Barack Obama is a fundamentally (basically) decent person, who works (has been working) for many years for the well-being of humans and that humanity is his leitmotiv (motto), for which he dedicates (invests) himself at the present time and will do so in the future, if (provided) he is not killed (shoot down), because he works against many and powerful groups of interests. And although Barack Obama is clearly aware of the very heavy task of his office in the current time and the constantly threatening danger of murder (being murdered), he does not shrink from his responsibility, in order to do (to accomplish) something good for humans, not only within the USA, but - if possible - also for the entire terrestrial mankind [...]"
I will say this - again, he may have good intentions, but his economic knowledge is inferior. I was certainly hopeful in the beginning, but he's broken many campaign promises. Is it better that he won than McCain? Yes, I would agree with that. McCain would have been just like Bush, and Bush was a complete idiot - a disaster as President. But Obama still isn't very different from the other statist Presidents.
He also does an incredibly poor job of explaining himself. I feel as if he talks down to people. And, while it's true, I also thought this of Bush and many of our arrogant politicians, I wish someone would change this trend. It makes me think they take themselves too seriously.
I certainly hope Obama is not killed. That would be disastrous. But I think the Restore America plan might actually save his life, if he is/was in such danger.
There are going to be powerful interests working against the proponents of the Restore America plan if all three phases should be successful - because that will end the term of the international banksters / money predators using the people of America as slaves for their profit.
On "It is about the president of your nation, Hunter; president Obama and his policy are not the issue here.
As for the steps he took in the economy - which you view as illogical, destructive, foolish and the like... - , i really wonder, whether one could have acted differently in the context of the accelerated meltdown of the american and global finances and economy, which he inherited.
I think, that many would even say, that president Obama handled it rather honourably and that worst has been avoided."
This is the view of Keynesians, but it is only a delay to later catastrophe if Obama continues spending and going into debt. If anyone doubts that, then, as was told to me earlier, I have to question their sanity. You cannot print money and go into debt forever. Eventually, there will be a reckoning, and that reckoning may be in the very near future. Again, Billy has made this warning. Hyperinflation comes from one thing and one thing only - printing too much money. To continue down that path will lead to disaster.
I've already given you one historical example with the German "miracle" but there is also one in U.S. history - the recession of 1920. Actually, all the economic indicators in 1920 were worse than 1929, the start of the Great Depression, but instead of taxing, spending and going into the debt. The government did one thing and one thing only - it CUT spending. The recession that would have turned into a depression, was gone in one year. Here's a link with more facts and details:
The Forgotten Depression of 1920
http://mises.org/daily/3788
"Dear friend, if you really want to contribute to true liberty, to the freedom of mankind from tyranny and all the rest, do then add your voice and efforts to the struggle against overpopulation, be active in this field; join the 'Crusade Against Overpopulation', send this work to those 50 US governors"
I would - but in the present context none of them will take it seriously. They are highly irrational people. This is something I think you guys don't seem to get. I've been away for a while, yes. But that gives me a perspective that you lack because maybe you've only be speaking to people who accept the truth about Meier's contacts. Those of us who view Billy as "the real deal" are still a very small minority on this planet. We have to change that, and we're not going to do it by denigrating people, as some people on here have done with the proponents of the Restore America plan, or by shocking people with too much information at once.
If the Restore America plan is successful, then you can bet I will start working to introduce this information to them. If they gain access to all the secret UFO files the corporate U.S. government possesses - or the actual evidence from the Roswell crash - you can then bet they will be open to more information and, most likely, to meeting with Meier.
I'm thinking big, my friend. And hoping for the best.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Smukhuti
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Post Number: 332
Registered: 06-2009
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Hello Hunter,
I could find little difference in the approach of http://www.restoreamerica.org/ourplan.asp and http://guardiansofthefreerepublics.com/rationale.html . It is strange that you insist that rationale.html is the real deal while insisting that ourplan.asp is unaffiliated when both follow the same approach. More strange is that you agree that ourplan.asp will break America while highlighting the good points within rationale.html and ignoring its path breaking radicalised ideas of cult religion:
"The Guardian Elders deliberated with great sobriety the wisdom of sitting on our hands while the march to World War III continues."
Who are these Guardian elders? This is not clear.
"After much prayer and soul-searching, we concluded unanimously that the need for action was self-evident."
Are these people delusional that they rely on prayers to come a decision?
"Could we reasonably expect to restore Biblical law to a devoutly secular population that cherishes television, promiscuity, physical debasement and electronic devices with religious fervor,..."
What are the long term goals of these Guardian Elders? Introduce a bible governed state mirroring that of many Islamic countries whose Shariat laws offer order and peace but restrict freedom and tolerance? An example was that of Afghanistan under the Taliban. What are their long term vision regarding electronic devise, science and technology, etc.?
"and that suffers the warped belief that advertisements for personal hygiene products and Viagra in our homes does not debase our children?"
OK. Fair enough. But what will be the long term policy that these Guardian elders will push once their short term goals are achieved in regard to family planning, use of contraceptives, etc.?
"Could we re-educate millions of Americans who have been programmed to believe that the ban against government interference in matters of worship somehow excludes piety in government?"
So these Guardian Elders wants Government interference in religious affairs?
"The Restore America Plan capitalizes on THEIR belief system as a vehicle for relieving corporate tyranny."
Again, the goal is good, but the path is wrong - clearly that of exploiting Christian beliefs to achieve the goals.
"In due time, the higher goal of salvaging the souls of mankind can be addressed."
What BS.
"His charging the People with dominion over all the earth in the Book of Genesis is declared in the very first paragraph as the foundation for the restoration. In so doing, the Declaration is established in history as a genuine covenant with the Creator in honor of the Law."
I am totally lost in the sea of illogic.
I agree there are certain good points mentioned in http://guardiansofthefreerepublics.com/front-page.html, but those pale into insignificance when you consider the problem of overpopulation and destruction of the environment. Also it is not just those bullet points that should serve as rallying point, but the whole package of the movements like the reason for these people to demand those points and their long term objectives.
BTW, Hunter I am not an American but was terrified when I visited http://guardiansofthefreerepublics.com as I realised that Afghanistan under Talibans had T-56 tanks, AK-47 and Stinger missiles, but America has HAARP and more. You know, I would be very afraid if this plan comes to a success. Somebody mentioned pre-cursor to American civil war - I agree.
Final question to you, Hunter - why are you missionising RAP? Are you one of the representatives from RAP/Guardian Elders. I'm telling you that you won't get any recruits from FIGU Forum for a essentially long term religious goal that will, perhaps achieve some short term benefits.
Salome.
Suv
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Phenix
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Post Number: 342
Registered: 07-2008
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Peace in wisdom be with you,
Hunter,
Thank you for your detailed answer and for the excursion through the labyrinth and nuances of economic theories.
It is educative and pretty impressive, i nevertheless still find, that this RAP doesn't quite...rhyme!:-)
Well, i shall leave it there.
I wish you good luck in your endeavour - just be careful, for one does never know what to expect from 'highly irrational' partners! :-)
(" They are highly irrational people", as you described the 50 US governors, who back the restore America plan, in your post 340, above)
Now then.
This is a follow up to the post 73 of Bianca and post 223 of Michael Horn.
Some interesting development seems to be infolding from within, in Israel:
ISRAELI DEFENSE MINISTER SAYS OCCUPATION MUST END
By AMY TEIBEL, Associated Press Writer – Mon Apr 19, 2010
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100419/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians
Briefly: "JERUSALEM – Israel must recognize that the world will not put up with decades more of Israeli rule over the Palestinian people, the country's defense minister said in unusually frank remarks Monday.
Ehud Barak's comments came against the backdrop of severe friction between the U.S. and Israel's hawkish government over an impasse in peacemaking.
Last week, President Barack Obama issued a surprisingly pessimistic assessment of peacemaking prospects, saying the U.S. couldn't force its will on Israelis and Palestinians if they weren't interested in making the compromises necessary to end their decades-old conflict.
Barak spoke to Israel Radio on the occasion of Israel's Memorial Day, dedicated to the nearly 23,000 fallen soldiers and civilian victims of terror attacks. The day is observed with a two-minute nationwide siren when people stand at attention, traffic is halted and everyday activities come briefly to a standstill [...]"
May reason and wisdom indeed prevail everywhere on this weary planet.
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Ramirez
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Post Number: 452
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 05:59 am: |
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Hi Hunter,
Smukhuti has summarized many pertinent points so perhaps it might be wise to recall history .... which religious regime has ever produced equality, spiritual evolution, happiness, peace, sustainable progress ??
Cheers.
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Hunter
Member
Post Number: 341
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 10:29 am: |
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Smukhuti,
Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, it appears that you're not reading my previous posts, where I've explained much of this. I wish you guys would read the posts and watch the links, that would save all of us some time. But I'll try to address your points:
1. Who are these Guardian elders? This is not clear.
The Guardian elders are 4 people who have been fighting the New World Order of the Bilderberg group/Rothschilds/money powers, etc. through the U.S. corporate government for several years - decades in some cases. They are by name: Sam Kennedy, Tim Turner, Regan Reedy, and Tom Shaults.
2. Are these people delusional that they rely on prayers to come a decision?
Barack Obama has said that he prayed. Yet people on this forum sing his praises. Is he delusional also? And are the people on this forum delusional for supporting someone who prays?
As I stated earlier, obviously, there are some devout Christians among these people, which shouldn't be shocking to anyone since this is a majority Christian nation. As I've said, I disagree with them on their religious views, but from the specifics of what a true Constitutional republic will entail, which is all they support, there are absolutely no restrictions on my freedom of thought or freedom to disagree with them about religion.
3. What are the long term goals of these Guardian Elders? Introduce a bible governed state mirroring that of many Islamic countries whose Shariat laws offer order and peace but restrict freedom and tolerance?
No, you do not understand law. Root Biblical law was the common law. It allows for freedom of belief. If you want thorough explanation, please listen to Tim Turner on the following link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbE4E769838&playnext_from=TL&videos=pQQdVNsz5oE
Note at about 12:45, Tim Turner is asked about religion under the republic:
Female panel member: "There are a lot of people that don't necessarily believe in God"
Tim: "Yes, that's their prerogative (right)."
He later states: "This has nothing to do with religious law at all"
You can watch the rest for the details on his explanation of maxims of common law. Everyone needs to understand the common law and its history/application.
4. What are their long term vision regarding electronic devise, science and technology, etc.?
Acutally Tim Turner stated in his conference call two weeks ago that if the plan is successful, the military will be free to release all types of new technology to the general public. They were prevented from doing so earlier by the corporate government which had been paid off by the oil companies. Under the de jure republic, this won't be happening in the future because it will be illegal for lobbyists to donate to Congressmen.
5. OK. Fair enough. But what will be the long term policy that these Guardian elders will push once their short term goals are achieved in regard to family planning, use of contraceptives, etc.?
There will be no government interference with contraceptives. People will be free to buy what they want. As for the long term goals, it will be a republic of sovereigns and all of these things will have to be addressed later. Their number one priority is in changing U.S. foreign policy and stopping World War 3. Also, they will end the rule of the bankers and financial predators in this country and prevent hyperinflation or an economic collapse, which could push the world towards war also. These are the priorities right now.
6. So these Guardian Elders wants Government interference in religious affairs?
No, see the explanation above. The First Amendment will not change. The government may not restrict religious freedom or freedom to not participate in a religion. And no national religion may be established. The protections are exactly the same under the de jure Constitution.
7. Again, the goal is good, but the path is wrong - clearly that of exploiting Christian beliefs to achieve the goals.
No, you misunderstood that point. The belief system they are referring to is the belief system of the average American that the corporate government is actually legitimate - their world view that war, fiat currency, and de facto color of law are legitimate.
8. What BS.
It's what some of them see as a religious goal - but they know this would have to take place voluntarily - as you can see if you listen to several of their radio shows/conference calls. Again, I disagree with them on this, and it is at that time that we would also have the opportunity to voluntarily try to persuade them. As I've said before, I kmow some of these people and I know how they think. They would definitely meet with Billy. They might not believe him at first, but they would definitely speak to the man.
I have been following these people for years. I actually had a friend who was also a member of the movement and was an atheist. He spoke to several of their groups and was generally treated with respect. Sure, there were people who didn't like the fact that he was an atheist, but they did listen to the man.
9. I am totally lost in the sea of illogic.
Again, I disagree with their religious views, but legally and economically and on foreign policy, they are correct. So I will ask you also, if a Christian tells you that 2 + 2 = 4, is he or she wrong because they're a Christian?
10. Final question to you, Hunter - why are you missionising RAP?
I'm merely spreading the information. This plan is happening now. The governors have been served and the military is on board with this plan. Will it finish to completion? I don't know. I expect the Bilderbergers or some rogue elements in the CIA to possibly try and thwart it because a free, neutral United States will end their tyranny. But hopefully that won't happen, and this plan will be the start of a new era of liberty.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Hunter
Member
Post Number: 342
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 10:31 am: |
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Phenix,
Thank you, my friend. You say:
"just be careful, for one does never know what to expect from 'highly irrational' partners!"
Indeed, that is why they must be served due process and told that if they do not follow the de jure Constitution and end all government deceptions that they will face arrest and punishment. They must be kept honest. With military enforcement, they can be held accountable.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Hunter
Member
Post Number: 343
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 10:33 am: |
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Ramirez,
Once again, your intellectual dishonesty never ceases to amaze.
But I expected at the very least a picture of Michelle "Bombshell" McGee this time. You disappoint me.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 257
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 11:57 am: |
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I thought this was a FIGU Forum, not a New World Order delusional belief forum.
If you take the time to look at the archives in the Questions to Billy on this forum you will realise that there is no such thing as New World Order.
Freemasons are harmless and not going to take over anyone.
Come on guys, Havent we been through this time and time again on this forum.
ALL these CONspiracy nutters are only after fame, followers and followers money.
As for religions, who cares about the bible or biblical nonsense. Read the Goblet of Truth and other writings from Eduard and FIGU. Much more enlightening and on the path of truth and knowledge.
Just my 1 pounds worth 
Salome
Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net
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