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Hunter
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Post Number: 344
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 03:26 pm: | 
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Stephen,
Who said anything about the Freemasons? I'm talking about the Bilderberg group and banking proponents behind the European Union (with plans for a Union on all continents and then a merger into a one world Union - the New World Order). I believe Billy has stated that it is based on secret, dictatorial control.
And there is plenty of evidence from other sources that this group exists and funds such proponents as the Council on Foreign Relations and the Tri-Lateral Commission, both of which exert a very negative influence on U.S. foreign policy.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 259
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 04:49 pm: |
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Hunter.
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Hi Billy, I was wondering if you are familiar with the theories behind the so-called New World Order? Part of the theory is as follows. Secret and not so secret groups and organizations are united in trying to create a One World Government, that will be secretly governed by them, while at the same time making it seem Democratic to the rest of the world. Is There anything you can say about these groups. Thank You, Norm
ANSWER: Hi Norm,
This is nonsense. It is the imaginary work of people who are trying to make money by writing fantastic books about something that is not true. They are claims and theories only.
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/2686.html
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Hi Billy, In a follow-up question to my last question on the New World Order, I need to ask you what the following meant, as it relates to a secret and not so secret World Government? If there is no New World Order then what were these statements about?
During the 232nd contact of November 17th 1989:
Ptaah: "we have refrained from contacts with Americans, and will do so forever, unless it should happen that this nation and its government and secret government". Later in that same contact its states "those who are guided by religious sects or governments with plans aiming at world dominance, as is the case also with certain terrestrial organizations that strive for world dominance."
In the book AN OPEN WORD verse 1369 it states the following. "During the New Age of the future 20th and 21st centuries the destructive beast bearing the number 666 would become active, that is, religious cults, unequal sects as well as secret organizations, would flood the entire mankind with their sectarian madness in delusional beliefs."
Contact 241:
Ptaah: “They can generally be found in religious sectarian or world-reformist circles and circles of liars and frauds in matters pertaining to so-called contacts to alien beings, etc. The same applies to circles of channelers, mediums, Illuminati, among others.
ANSWER: Hi Norm,
"Secret Government" means organizations like the CIA,
NSA, etc. etc. "Certain terrestrial organizations" means certain governmental organizations/parts.
In Contact 241: UFO sects, etc. etc.
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/2686.html
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Norm
Member
Username: Norm
Dear Billy, You claim that people made up the New World Order to sell books. Would you please comment on theses quotes from David Rockefeller whose from one of the richest families in the world.
"Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure---one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
--David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405
"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The super-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
---David Rockefeller, at a 1991 Bilderberger meeting
"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
---David Rockefeller
"But this present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for long. Already there are powerful forces at work that threaten to destroy all of our hopes and efforts to erect an enduring structure of global interdependence."
---David Rockefeller, speaking at the Business Council for the United Nations, September 14, 1994
The meaning of the statement was that many authors of conspiracy books are writing in order to sell books, among other motives of course.
Basically, uniting the world is a positive goal, as is the case with a new world order (depending what is meant with this term, of course).
Regarding the quotes: Are you sure that quotes #2 and 3 are really authentic?
(Note by CF: David Rockefeller’s motives to write his memoirs are probably not to earn money, but to preserve his thoughts and actions for other people to read.
If a new “world order” would be founded on the spiritual teachings, which is not very probable in the near future, much good would result.)
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/7647.html
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Michael_d
Member
Username: Michael_d
Greetings Billy,
Regarding Secret Societies and their negative influence on mankind and the planet, you stated there are secret societies which are entirely harmless. Do you consider such Secret Societies as the Illuminati, the New World Order and Freemasonry harmless?
Thank you.
The Freemansons as sort of a religious community are harmless, as is also the case with the Illuminati, a group of people who are spreading silly conspiration theories.
What or who is „the New World Order“?
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/7510.html
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Now considering Eduard never lies, and considering he has spoken and written about many other things that could be more harmful to himself than a so-called bunch of rich guys wanting to rule the world. Do you think he would really not tell us about this. Indeed he has told us about this. Its all nonsense!!
I bid you a good day and this is my final word on this, for me case closed.
Salome
Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net
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Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 1154
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 07:14 pm: |
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Dear Stephan,
You write, "I thought this was a FIGU Forum, not a New World Order delusional belief forum. If you take the time to look at the archives in the Questions to Billy on this forum you will realise that there is no such thing as New World Order. Freemasons are harmless and not going to take over anyone."
Your dogmatic acceptance of Billy's tightly worded but loosely-translated statements (particularly in light of his idiomatic use* of the word "Lüge"), is a concern to me, because dogmatism represents the antithesis of the central message of the renewed teaching of the truth - because it is SO dangerous.
Even Billy's poorly translated statements have to be read very carefully in order to sometimes avoid being very seriously (and deliberately) misled.
(Please see www.tjresearch.info/denial.htm)
"The Freemansons (sic) as sort of a religious community are harmless, as is also the case with the Illuminati, a group of people who are spreading silly conspiration (sic) theories. What or who is „the New World Order“?" - Billy http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/7510.html#POST27169
The operative phrase (which you omitted) in the above quote is, "as sort of a religious community".
Do you homework please, Stephan. A LITTLE knowledge is a VERY dangerous thing. There's a LOT now in English - more than enough to get on with.
And there is MUCH more to all this than meets the untrained eye.
http://www.amazon.com/Brotherhood-Explosive-Expose-Secret-Freemasons/dp/0586059830
You really should digest this book thoughtfully before you make any more embarrassingly inaccurate public statements concerning topics about which you have been deliberately misled through your manifestly dogmatic acceptance of Billy's carefully-worded public statements.
Salome,
Dyson
*http://www.theyfly.com/Concealment_vs_Lies.htm |
Hunter
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Post Number: 345
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 07:43 pm: |
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Stephen,
That's not the whole story. I'm talking about New World Order in context of the Bilderberg group and the banking powers. I use the term as a broad generalization to simplify things and limit typing.
There are groups and powerful families "pushing" things in a certain direction. No, they don't have total control - but they exercise a form of control via guile and cunning and the influence of their wealth and status. Per the quotes above as well as other information I can show you, the Rockefellers have funded various machinations and helped to set up the Council on Foreign Relations - where they're basically molding people to accept their desired move to a one world government - except they would love to see a government based on statist tyranny and control by an oligarchy - not freedom.
You say Billy isn't lying about this, and I don't think he is either. But I don't think Aaron Russo is lying either when he describes his former friendship with Nicholas Rockefeller and the things Rockefeller told him about wanting to set up a world government in which they chipped people to control them. You can see the full interview here. If you're familiar with body language signs, you won't see any body language indicators of lying when Russo speaks. I believe the man is being honest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ
A one world government could be positive, as Billy says, but only if it's based on logic and freedom. A tyrannical one world government would be terrible, and Billy does allude to this.
This was originally posted by Marksmanr on this thread:
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/10148.html#POST40945
And with a link to Billy's prophecies here:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/What_is_announced_comprehensively_for_the_third_millennium_prophetically_and_predictively
There was some discussion about the North American Union here. I don't know if it will happen, so far it doesn't seem to be happening, however I don't research it.
I first heard of the RFID chips from Zeitgeist in 2007 and have seen a few propaganda documentaries promoting it, however I haven't researched it for at least a year. From What is announced comprehensively for the third millennium prophetically and predictively:
"And it will be more and more that you human beings will be treated like animals for the slaughter, will be marked with numbers and data which will be implanted in you in the form of electronic data chips, whereby you will be completely controlled by the authorities, by the government offices and by the ruling ones and will be deprived of freedom, in your naivety, however, you imagine that you are free human beings but, truly, you are serfs in servitude/enslavement of the governments.
The offices, the authorities and the ruling ones will dominate you as this has never happened before, consequently you will not decide your fate in the community anymore, because this is done by those which exercise a complete power and control over you. So, each one of you will be a bondsperson and a slave of the authorities, of the offices and of the rulers, respectively, those power hungry persons and their vassals, which hold the power concerning that.
There will be still time for you humankind of the Earth, in the early Third Millenium to prevent this, if you unite yourselves and rise up as humanity fortified against these future threatening machinations through the ruling ones and their enslaved scientists and technicians, in order to prevent the threatening in this mentioned relation. The overpopulation on the earth, this must be said repeatedly again and again, will still continually rise through the unreasonableness and irresponsibility of your humanity of the Earth."
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Stephen_moore
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Post Number: 260
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 08:00 pm: |
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Wow here comes the personal attacks from Dyson.
I give up with this forum. I cannot be bothered with this forum any longer.
I shall go about my business elsewhere without accusation and judgements from persons who should know better.
Im out. Farewell
Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net
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Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 1155
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 08:10 pm: |
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Dear Stephan (et al),
(No reply necessary, dear Stephan. I address this to whom it may concern.)
You wrote, " ... a so-called bunch of rich guys wanting to rule the world. Do you think he would really not tell us about this. Indeed he has told us about this. Its all nonsense!!"
Stephan, you are encouraged to believe whatever you need to believe in order to protect your psyche. As above, I don't address the following to you and apologise for possibly exposing you to it. I suggest you read no further.
If it is all nonsense, then what - I wonder - is this all about? " ... in secret there is a mighty organisation of the governing class and powerful people as well as many of their obedient lackeys emerging from amongst your humanity, who are creating a secret order of darkness with their own evil laws and ordinances, who are bent on hatred for the poor and weak and against the economically imprisoned and all normal citizens. And it is their desire to seize ever more power, more money and entire mastery over the whole Earth and your humanity for themselves, therefore it is spreading their evil supremacy over the world, supported by its obedient vassals of all kinds who are greedy for blood as well as profit. Even the powerful ones of the economy are feeling the might and obeying the evil laws of the dark order which is spreading its dangerous and fatal poison of hatred everywhere, into everything and against everyone who does not share the same opinion as the dark power." (page LXIX, Goblet of Truth)
Then there's this:
"Also ist am Himmel der Kontakte mit Ausserirdischen grösste Vorsicht geboten, denn zuviel daran ist Lug, Betrug, Schwindel, Scharlatanerie und Spekulation usw., wobei auch die wahrheitsverachtenden Bemühungen und Verfälschungs- sowie esinformationsmachenschaften der Regierungen eingeschlossen sind, durch die unglaubliche Lügen, Verleumdungen, Fälschungen und Betrügereien in die Welt gesetzt und begangen werden, um die Wahrheit zu verschleiern, zu dementieren und zu leugnen."
(Therefore the greatest caution is recommended with extraterrestrial contacts in the sky, because too much about this are lies, deception, swindle, charlatanism and speculation, etc., whereby also the truth-despising efforts and falsifications as well as disinformation machinations of the governments are implicated through the committal and establishment of unbelievable lies, slanders, falsifications and trickeries in the world to veil the truth, to contradict and to deny.)
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv7p438-444.htm
The following is also worth reading very CAREFULLY, if you are one of the head-in-the-sand folks who doesn't believe in conspiracies, even after the 21 (!!!) assassination attempts against Billy.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meiersb34.htm
"The truth will set you free, but first it will really piss you off." - Dr. Steven Greer, Director of the Disclosure Project
Salome,
Dyson |
Hunter
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Post Number: 346
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 08:29 pm: |
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I think this link will help everyone understand the basis of the Restore America plan and what they're trying to accomplish in restoring the common law. Most everyone seems to be focusing on the group's Christian members rather than realizing that we are now basically under admirality/military law and the dangers associated with that legal fiction we have been deceived into accepting as a "fact of life."
Please watch.
admiralty law, common law and the sovereign
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwZhU6uv9sA&feature=player_embedded
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Ramirez
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Post Number: 454
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 07:52 pm: |
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A very recent (19 April) commentary regarding Restore America Plan.
First a 3 day deadline to 50 governors, extended by 14 additional days and still nothing has happened. No US governor has resigned, taken any new oaths or been arrested. So essentially, RAP has come to nothing so far.
http://www.panamalaw.org/update_on_restore_america_plan_the_guardian_elders_and_de_jeur_grand_jurors.html
Cheers.
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Hunter
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Post Number: 347
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 07:50 pm: |
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Stephen,
Here's more for you. This is basically what I was speaking about. This is Billy's statement posted by Edward on this thread:
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/4248.html#POST15586
Published Periodically Vol. 1 No. 2
German printing: May 1995
English printing: Nov. 1995
Monitoring Systems
"With their DSP monitoring system, America has taken the first step toward
the horrifying, futuristic vision of total control over every human being
on Earth. This vision signifies that terrestrials will soon be unable to
take even a single step without being observed and controlled by an
all-inclusive monitoring system, which would eventually entail the
implanting of a coded chip into every person. The possibility then arises
that an individual will be completely controlled and, ultimately, will
always be observed and monitored; even a person's most private and
intimate activities will be observed. The vision also implies that the
European monitoring headquarters will be located in Brussels, Belgium, and
managed and directed by the European Union (Europäische Union) as it is
called today. The undisclosed implication is that a form of dictatorship
will be established that results in the complete surveillance of every
citizen --- a horrible vision, which is increasingly becoming apparent as
a reality to anyone observing the world with open eyes. Likewise, this
terrifying vision foreshadows the 'New World Order' which, from ancient
times onward, was linked to prophecies about an 'animal with the number
666' exerting immense power. I intend to elaborate more extensively, in
justifiable form, in the FIGU Newsletter on this prophecy and vision,
along with many other important matters of which Man on Earth should be
apprised. "
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Hunter
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Post Number: 348
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 09:10 pm: |
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Ramirez.
You sure love to only post the parts that you agree with. I like the clarifying intro statement myself:
"Tim Turner and Sam Kennedy have a reputation in the community of people enlightened to the evils of the federal corporation masquerading as the USA government. If the RAP is a nothing or turns into a nothing their reputation and credibility will be ruined in that people will be very slow to take them seriously. A comeback would be possible but most slow and difficult. One would have to be most doubtful that these two bright and gifted people would pull something they were not sure of."
Beyond your quote he states:
"The three day deadline became 14 days and it is up today and we do not see these changes."
This is a total misunderstanding of the plan. No one would have noticed anything in regards to their behaviors. Turner implied on an earlier conference call that all governors had accepted. This was never to be publicly released or stated.
So we shall see. Still a long way to go.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Hunter
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Post Number: 349
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 09:15 pm: |
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"Wow here comes the personal attacks from Dyson."
I would disagree with that, Stephen. He very clearly dismantled your argument and demonstrated that you were in error. It wasn't a personal attack. He focused solely on your position.
I think it's clear that you are not addressing this in a logical manner, but rather an emotional one.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 1159
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 23, 2010 - 04:02 am: |
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Dear all,
This forum is a tricky place because we're all at different levels of understanding here. What's not enough for many may be too much for some. The truth must be delivered harshly for many here, but that same truth unfairly burns others. It's called, "damned if you do and damned if you don't".
I apologise for hurt feelings. I wish it could be otherwise, but such is the nature of addressing a large group of heterogeneous Earth humans, nicht?
Peace in wisdom/love,
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Creational
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Post Number: 399
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Friday, April 23, 2010 - 05:15 am: |
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What can be said about the Truth seekers that disregard the truth they have seemingly found?
What can be said about students of the greatest teacher if they disregard his most obvious and basic principal, while fruitlessly discuss the seemingly veiled or debatable ones?
What can be said about supporting readers of a legendary masterpiece if they still reflect an opposite and negative effect on their thoughts; which leads to their words; eventually forming their resulting negative behavior?
Such attitudes say a lot about us; the students of the prophet of the new age…
However, the most significant statement that can be said is; "we still have not passed the first level, and that, we still have a lot to learn regarding the teachings’ most basic principles.”
As long as our foundation is not concrete, any expansion of it is bound to collapse.
Approximately 30 years ago, right before the dawn of the recent Iranian revolution, every Persian was a philosopher. There existed a false euphoric pre-revolutionary excitement. Everyone wanted to get rid of power that be, the demonized Shah; and for the right reasons, for the most part.
As a college student, there was one main reason I avoided joining the assortment of “freedom fighter” groups. They all thought that their way is the right way, while all lacked clear basic yet peaceful principles. Even members of the same group constantly argued over non-productive debates leading to no clear solutions. The irony of it all is that the new governing heads were the most bright, promising and astute ones prior to the revolution. They all promised a new liberal, free thinking, tolerant, and moderate Iran. They were all promising their own fantasized heavens; religious and non-religious alike. Many years passed and many lives wasted, yet Iran is in a much worse position. Overnight, from a great sophisticated and cultured nation we became a terrorizing country and were even labeled, “barbarian”.
There was no solid strategic yet peaceful, long term, public oriented plan for the aftermath. It was clear to me that because of this very fact, whoever replaced the Shah, was going to become another dictator. Simply put, Iranians were not ready for this change from within.
I am sitting here mourning in my solitude since right before my eyes; I am witnessing the same scenario unfolding. I feel glued to the ground and voiceless. Yet I find it vital to write to all of you and ask you to think deep and hard prior to supporting any self acclaimed freedom finders. The internal situation of this country is only going to be from bad to worse. This is written in black and white in Meier’s prophesies.
Besides, almost all of these revolutionary masterminds charge you hefty fees to teach you all you need to know in a week-end seminar; while all are admittedly practicing law and other professional vocation without a license. Any support and participation in these negativity, is bound to make the collective consciousness lead to unprecedented negative results. This is all over Billy’s teaching. Yet, we are constantly fuelling this fire by directing our consciousness toward them. Just as the positive effect of Salome peace meditation is exponential according to Billy, this negativity is going to create exponential harmful results. Can’t you guys see that even we are both directly and indirectly participating thus causing the fulfillment of the disastrous prophesies.
This is not directed to any particular member but to all of us to take responsibility for the direction of our thoughts and their consequences toward growth or stagnations, both personally and collectively which is not at all separate.
With hope for a true Salome and Love(connectedness),
(Message edited by indi on April 24, 2010)
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Hunter
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Post Number: 350
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 23, 2010 - 07:18 am: |
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Creational,
You make some excellent points. One in particular - "As long as our foundation is not concrete, any expansion of it is bound to collapse."
This is why the Restore America plan may fail. However, I view it in a hopeful manner as a way to at least stop World War 3. If I'm under a deadline and a Christian says to me "I can help you with your math problem on the test - the test is purposely deceptive in this area and intending to trick you - and you should say 2 + 2 = 4 here" then even though other sections of the test may be wrong, I at least had one part corrected by listening to them. If I know the others are wrong as well, I can go back and fix those later when I'm not under a deadline.
That's basically how I view the situation.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 106
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Friday, April 23, 2010 - 07:25 am: |
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Dearest Stephen,
Please don't disappoint me and run away! Stand and fight (Verbally and yet not meant to hurt, emotionally, physically, spiritually or otherwise) as if you had too in order to survive for you life!
Too many wars are started and based on just such things, as misunderstandings and misinterpretations. Take things as, a constructive debate not a debacle of useless meandering thoughts words and deeds. You are my teacher my mentor my friend, stay with us and let us change things together as a whole not just as an expression of a useless empty words worth nothing!
What is it that confers the noblest delight? What is that which swells a man's breast with pride above that which any other experience can bring to him? Discovery! To know that you are walking where none others have walked; that you are beholding what human eye has not seen before; that you are breathing a virgin atmosphere. To give birth to an idea--to discover a great thought. -- Innocents Abroad
"Man is the only animal that deals in that atrocity of atrocities, War. He is the only one that gathers his brethren about him and goes forth in cold blood and calm pulse to exterminate his kind. He is the only animal that for sordid wages will march out... and help to slaughter strangers of his own species who have done him no harm and with whom he has no quarrel.... And in the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood off his hands and works for "the universal brotherhood of man" - with his mouth"
Praise is well, compliment is well, but affection--that is the last and final and most precious reward that any man can win, whether by character or achievement ~ Mark Twain
I implore you on bended knee... Stay with us !!!
Weather this one out with all of us together here as one, a team with a common goal for the future evolution of all mankind.
Mat
p.s. If not "Fair thee Well, my friend!" My pride for you has never broken nor will it ever!
First you forget names, then you forget faces. Next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down. George Burns
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Thomas
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Post Number: 920
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 23, 2010 - 10:14 am: |
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It's funny how BEAM delivers the truth harshly without being condescending
patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 255
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 23, 2010 - 10:50 am: |
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Now we are waving our whole naval system around like a target for any little national power to take aim at. Should Iran, for instance, take the bait, then we will rein down destructively upon that country in all sorts of nasty ways.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/7619877/Iran-shows-off-high-destruction-speed-boats-in-war-games.html
When are we gonna stop these idiots from trying to go to war? When is the modern world gonna figure out at least this stupidly simple concept?
Love is always the way
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Markcampbell
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Post Number: 462
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Friday, April 23, 2010 - 11:04 am: |
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The only apology is to do no harm - MC |
Stephen_moore
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Post Number: 261
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Friday, April 23, 2010 - 02:10 pm: |
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Bronzedesk
You may stand and get off your bended knee.
I not going anywhere. For why should I?
Not only you have talked me round but others too.
I find comfort in this little bit of wisdom from Billy....
"Attacks of others, be it through thoughts and feelings, through words, hate, slander or actions, may never be made one's concern because they essentially are the concern of the creators, who must cope with them themselves. Through their aggression against fellow human beings, they inflict damage on themselves, because their machinations affect their own thoughts and feelings, whereby they are peaceless and joyless in themselves and decline to vicious frustration.
Generally, attacks and problems of others must be ignored and warded off in a manner that they are the concern, the aggression and problems of antagonists and not of one's own person. Only through this reasonable insight as well as reasonable ways of thinking, feeling and acting can the human being protect himself against attacks, lies, incriminations, hate and slander, etc., of others because, in fact, the entire evil and problems of such things are not those of one's own person but those of the attackers and antagonists. The attacks and problems of others are not my concern but that of the attackers must be the constant motto for attacked people who are raked over with words, thoughts, feelings, lies, problems, slander and actions, etc. And if, in this form, the thoughts and feelings as well as ways of acting are cultivated, then the human being can free himself from the imitation of antagonists and truly be himself.
Allgemein müssen Angriffe und Probleme anderer missachtet und in der Art und Weise pariert werden, dass sie die Sache, die Angriffigkeiten und Probleme der Widersacher und nicht die der eigenen Person sind. Nur durch diese vernünftige Einsicht sowie Gedanken-, Gefühls- und Handlungsweise kann sich der Mensch gegen Angriffe, Lügen, Beschuldigungen, Hass und Verleumdungen usw. anderer schützen, weil tatsächlich die ganzen Übel und Probleme solcher Dinge nicht die der eigenen Person, sondern die der Angreifer und Widersacher sind. «Die Angriffe und Probleme der/des andern sind nicht meine Sache, sondern die des Angreifers resp. der Angreiferin », das muss der dauernde Wahlspruch für Angegriffene sein, die mit Worten, Gedanken, Gefühlen, Lügen, Problemen, Verleumdungen und Handlungen usw. beharkt werden. Und nur wenn in dieser Form die Gedanken und Gefühle sowie die Handlungsweise gepflegt werden, vermag der Mensch sich vom Abbild der Widersacher zu befreien und wahrhaftig sich selbst zu sein.
Will der Mensch sich selbst sein, dann darf er auch keine Feindschaft üben, und zwar selbst gegen seine übelsten Feinde und Widersacher nicht. Werden erstens die Angriffe und Probleme usw. der Widersacher nicht als eigene Sache betrachtet und als solche auf die Angreifer zurückgewiesen, dann gilt es als weitere Form, sich den Widersachern friedlich gegenüberzustellen. Das ist in der Art und Weise zu tun, dass ihnen freundlich, liebevoll und friedlich begegnet wird, wie aber auch, dass ihnen bei häufigen und nach Möglichkeit täglichen Gelegenheiten gedankliche und gefühlsmässige Liebes- und Segenswünsche zugesandt werden. Das bewahrt einerseits davor, gegen die Widersacher selbst Feindschaft aufzubauen, und andererseits entsteht dadurch ein wertvoller Selbstschutz, der davor bewahrt, dass eigens üble Gedanken und Gefühle und dadurch Bosheit, Hass oder gar Rachebedürfnisse usw. entstehen. Das Ganze bewirkt auch, dass sich allgemein alles segensreich auf die eigene Persönlichkeit und auf den eigenen Charakter auswirkt und sich daraus eine völlig neutral-positive ausgeglichene Haltung aufbaut."
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Being_Oneself
Thanks
Salome
Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 234
Registered: 10-2009
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I received this information from an anonymous source:
"Incidently, I am part of the newly formed NPPD. How's that grab you?
NPPD? Yep, check it out...
http://www.dhs.gov/xabout/structure/editorial_0794.shtm
America will never go fascist...Right? Nor Communist...Left? No...We will go both ways and fool everyone! Probably blame Canada for everything and invade. Mexico makes too much sense, they are already way messed up."
"How the hell would you know what my line looks like, it's imaginary." - my Dad, after being told by the police to walk a straight line.
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 256
Registered: 10-2004
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"America will never go fascist...Right? Nor Communist...Left? No...We will go both ways and fool everyone!"
Democracy is like herding cats, but we all have some certain basic agreements. For example, we all agree we are cats.
I would propose another basic agreement - one inline with all the universal laws as we know them: love is the way.
Love is always the way
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 254
Registered: 07-2009
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Thomas,
You know, I think that comment summed up what people are objecting to. For all of the lecturing our friend Dyson doesn't appear to have learned by Meier's example of how to address people, even in trying to "educate" them. The truth may often be harsh but everything harsh isn't always...the truth. |
Smukhuti
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Post Number: 335
Registered: 06-2009
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Moderators, please do not post my earlier post on this thread and instead post this.
Hello Hunter,
Thanks for your elaborate reply in your post 341. Newcomers to this forum have now more than enough material to read on RAP here itself to decide for them. For me though RAP does not impress as understood that the 4 Guardian Elders are having a clear short term goal of freeing U.S. America from corporate tyranny, and advocating a non-interventionist state (thus preventing WW 3), but having vague long term goal including salvaging souls of mankind and restore biblical law and re-inhabiting the free American Republic(s) to be a shining covenant with the Creator.
And yes, if a Christian, Islamic, Jew, Hindu or Buddhist or for that matter anybody told me that 2+2=4, I would know it is right, because the absolute value of my positive experience with logic or mathematical reasoning is incomprehensibly higher than the absolute value of my negative experiences with any belief systems.
Actually, this case of 2+2=4 is not about knowing that a person from any belief system is right or wrong, but is a case of analysing and identifying ones own version logic amongst ones own version of illogic in a person. That does not make the person right or wrong, but just another person with their own path of evolution, own level of logic, and with some mixture of right or wrong concepts. Why people agree with certain concepts while reject others? It is because, subconsciously, one analyse such concept against the sum total of ones own acquired experience, convictions and wisdom. And thus trusting a concept is trusting ones own experience and convictions(which can be right or wrong) to the best of ones ability.
Salome.
Suv
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