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    Kingman Member Post Number: 806 Registered: 07-2004 |
If anyone here needs help on a math problem consisting of 2 + 2 = 4, I would avoid any conversation beyond sandbox babble. Zhila, from her actual experience in life, spells out part of the reasons why RAP is ill conceived and laden with wrong thinking. To push such a doctrine forward is unwise. The religious structure pressed into such ideas keeps the church at the forefront of controlling the people. The separation of church and state is one of the clearest edicts put forth by the writers of our laws and has been the victor every time in our highest courts. RAP has zero hope in becoming anything worthwhile, and can easily be assumed to be another tool of those who wish to keep the people divided. The attempts to gather followers here for this RAP deal are awkward and seem to be going beyond what we are dedicated to here at this forum. Arguing a Christian based document that, smells of want for vigilantism, subliminally is pushing the idea of diverting our military in a coarse that goes against the actual true laws of this country, and most importantly, isn't part of Billy's materials, seems out of place in its efforts. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 338 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hi Shawn, I agree with you regarding the futility of attempting to gather followers for RAP here. I am sure, and Hunter would agree (??) that the intention was to educate us to an endeavour that appear worthwhile. But the opposition to the idea must have compelled him to put the good points forward in front of members of a forum whose vision gets easily clouded with religious skepticism. IMO, so far there has been a worthwhile debate, but any further case for/against would violate point 4 of http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi?pg=instructions#rules and make that much harder for newcomers to this forum to search for good posts. Salome. Suv | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1363 Registered: 02-2000 |
I've been hammering Billy for years about these conspiracies & he always poo poos them. Then comes out with statements like this. "Dear Billy, In Contact 441. You mention a worldwide group branching from governments, the military, industrial groups, secret services, paramilitary and powerful ones of finance. Who are these people do they have a name? Yes, of course there are names, but they will not be revealed to you or anybody else." My Website | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 351 Registered: 03-2004 |
Shawn, You're making many more errors. I use 2 + 2 = 4 merely as a symbol of a truth, that is simple to comprehend and quick to type. There is no religious structure of the plan in regards to how the government will be run. The de jure Constitution will not change, therefore the current religious situation in this country will remain exactly the same. And, as I've already stated, I am not attempting to gather followers here. I'm merely posting the information. "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 352 Registered: 03-2004 |
Just had this forwarded to me. Not much concrete here (just speculation) but I will repost: Saturday, April 24, 2010 Restore America Plan - Research Observations I have done EXTENSIVE research in particular matters that involve "our" government and the Grand Jury. I also have been researching the Guardians of the Free Republics (GOFR) and the Restore America Plan (RAP). From this perspective, I make this observation: 1. The United States Supreme Court (USSC) was/is involved with RAP. 2. The military is involved with RAP (proven my the Provost Marshals that served the papers upon the governors of the 50 states). 3. Large organizations flood the government with "petitions for redress", "Articles of Freedom", etc...many demanding a public official "step down" and that never hits "mainstream media". The fact that some pieces of paper given to the governors by RAP hit the major media is telling, in and of itself. 4. The USSC cannot "see or hear" someone just coming and complaining to them. There is a process necessary for a lawful petition. (I believe this lawful petition was accomplished. I also believe at least one Justice of the USSC helped in drafting the petition...that is my GUT feeling.) 5. The executive branch has the authority to gather a Grand Jury "open venure"...go out and get people for the Grand Jury, when the (court) system is corrupt and not allowing people to bring evidence of corruption before the Grand Jury. (Wild v. Otis is an interesting case to read as to the right to access the Grand Jury) 6. Grand Jury investigations are REQUIRED BY LAW to be secret. 7. The RAP Grand Juries HAVE BEEN "rounded up by the executive branch and seated". This is lawful and has happened. 8. The "documents to the governors" were necessary to re-establish the DE JURE (for the people) government. Once this was accomplished, the executive branch (military) had jurisdiction to "round up" those qualified to sit on the de jure Grand Juries. 9. The reason we are "hearing nothing" and "everything is secret" is because Grand Jury investigations are required BY LAW to be secret. 10. Once indictments come down from the Grand Juries, THEN the USSC can "hear and see" the people. 11. I am a subscriber to "Jurist Newsletter". This newsletter covers what is happening around the world in the different courts. Earlier this week the USSC made two important decisions that indicate the USSC is no longer "under the corporate government". Then on Thursday and Friday, there was NOTHING reported ... no decisions in the US Court of Appeals or the USSC. This is very odd. 12. The Grand Jury can, by law, appoint its OWN prosecutor. 13. When the people learn the truth, as how we have been used as collateral for the elite to amass nearly all the wealth of this country (and the world) there is a real potential of riots. 14. IMO it is because of this potential of violence that the FBI released the story of the letters to mainstream media. And look at the comment by the FBI (paraphrased) "GOFR are not violent, but it is feared someone else may be violent." 15. The "bad guys" have the weapons to destroy this entire world. Getting to and securing those weapons is a primary concern to ensure the Republics are free. 16. The pop guns used by citizen militias are no match to the weapons "they" have that can and have been used against us. I was a TV reporter at the 2008 RNC and personally know what it is like to be attacked by our "government forces". 17. If RAP fails, we do NOT have the means to defend ourselves against the advanced weapons controlled by "our" government. 18. If RAP fails, it will be "emergency time" for the scientists to put their heads together and figure out some way to defend against the advanced weapons. I understand the need for secrecy, as I understand the law that governs the Grand Jury. My HOPE is the indictments that will be brought by the De Jure Grand Juries will be enforced by the executive (military) and the judiciary. My HOPE is that the (now free) Republics are "backed by gold"...remember what happened in the Revolutionary War? My HOPE is that the scientists will not need to be called upon, as our last defense. "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 03-2007 |
Stephen and Norm, Billy has said he doesn't know what the New World Order is at times, and at other times he has written about it. I'm not sure what to make of his statements, it's confusing to me. The information below is from FIGU Bulletin 2 in 1995. http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_2#Monitoring_Systems With their DSP monitoring system, America has taken the first step toward the horrifying, futuristic vision of total control over every human being on Earth. This vision signifies that terrestrials will soon be unable to take even a single step without being observed and controlled by an all-inclusive monitoring system, which would eventually entail the implanting of a coded chip into every person. The possibility then arises that an individual will be completely controlled and, ultimately, will always be observed and monitored; even a person's most private and intimate activities will be observed. The vision also implies that the European monitoring headquarters will be located in Brussels, Belgium, and managed and directed by the European Union (Europäische Union) as it is called today. The undisclosed implication is that a form of dictatorship will be established that results in the complete surveillance of every citizen --- a horrible vision, which is increasingly becoming apparent as a reality to anyone observing the world with open eyes. Likewise, this terrifying vision foreshadows the 'New World Order' which, from ancient times onward, was linked to prophecies about an 'animal with the number 666' exerting immense power. I intend to elaborate more extensively, in justifiable form, in the FIGU Newsletter on this prophecy and vision, along with many other important matters of which Man on Earth should be apprised. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 521 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Members, No more posts regarding the RAP will be allowed on the forum, if needed continue privately. Peace.. Badr | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 1164 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Hunter, Thanks for all that. You've saved me a lot of research and provided some interesting leads, as well as chewy food for thought. Actually, not so much "chewy" as "tough and distasteful". I don't know enough about it to make any adequately informed comment, aside to say that I have known, know and "know of" workers in the (open)"scientific community". Your final point (18) about "the scientists to put their heads together and figure out some way to defend against the advanced weapons" and closing your contribution "hoping" "that the scientists will not need to be called upon, as our last defense" prompts a comment from me. Scientists who are not part of the black projects (USAPs = Unacknowledged Special Access Projects, to use the name they use as Disclosure Project wistleblowers) do not BELIEVE in all this. ("I'm an important person! I would KNOW! I would be TOLD!" is the sort of stuff you get.) It is impossible for me to conceive of the idea that the effete ivory tower "open" science mavens would do anything other than die like flies along with the rest of us ignorant goyem. Dear Suv, You confusion is understandable. Billy forces us to try to think for ourselves sometimes, and rather successfully, I might add. I tried really hard to deal with this problem concerning similar topics here: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/11009.html?1269031491 but I don't think I did very well. People believe whatever they want to believe. It's part of a widespread and often fatal psychiatric condition called "belief". Salome, Dyson | ||
Marbar Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 12-2009 |
The Plejaren always said that they can sense the human spirit 21 days after conception. Some states are thinking that a fertilized egg is a person: http://patterico.com/2007/11/14/colorado-initiative-would-define-personhood-as-a-fertilized-egg/ The House in North Dakota already passed the law: http://coloradoindependent.com/21867/north-dakota-house-passes-egg-as-a-person-bill | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1770 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Norm.... I fully agree with you. Understand WHAT you mean.... Will just have to take a Neutral Positive stance on this one.... "There are indeed 'weeds' present but....very hard to plough out," so to speak. Edward. | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 258 Registered: 10-2004 |
"Will just have to take a Neutral Positive stance on this one...." Not that we are supposed to understand what are referring to, mind you... but I gotta agree with Dyson, Norm, & esp. Edward. It is tightrope walk wherein most people have not looked down and are not used to seeing the depths to which we could fall. Neutral-postive (whatever that might be) seems to be the way to grow our garden with this set of weeds. Love is always the way | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 237 Registered: 10-2009 |
Hi Norm I've said this on another thread but bears repeating. In 2005 I saw a farmer's subsidy application that was corrected. The letter from the gov't of canada (liberal at the time) stated that due to their satellite imaging they determined how many acres he had of each crop. An acre is the size of about 8 city lots. Their spying abilities are probably better now. The only people I could come up with from Belgium who were 2009 Bilderberg attendees were the following: Prince Constantijn (Belgian Prince) Prince Philippe Etienne Ntavinion, Belgium Étienne, Viscount Davignon, Belgium (former vice-president of the European Commission) Josef Ackermann (Swiss banker and CEO of Deutsche Bank) Luc Cohen, Belgium (?)Guy Verhofstadt, Belgium (former Prime Minister) Also another name which keeps popping up is Jean-Luc Dehaene another former Belgium Prime Minister. He was instumental in setting up the Aging Fund/Silver Fund to ensure maintenance of pensions until 2030. It would be interesting to know which ones are into the occult. "How the hell would you know what my line looks like, it's imaginary." - my Dad, after being told by the police to walk a straight line. | ||
Marbar Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 12-2009 |
I really don't know what section to post this in. The Plejarens and Billy said that their are people who try to get the public to be afraid of ETs. Stephen Hawkings, a British scientist said that we should not have contact with ETs: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100425/sc_afp/scienceastronomyextraterrestrialhawking Besides the Plejarens and the people from Akart that visit this planet, there are other ET races observing this planet. If ETs wanted to destroy us, they would of done it by now. | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 260 Registered: 10-2004 |
There lots of stuff to fear. Fear is attention-getting, demands of some attention. Thankfully, life goes on. Love is always the way | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 256 Registered: 07-2009 |
Something interesting from CSETI: Response to Stephen Hawking Comments - April 26, 2010 It is unfortunate that Stephen Hawking has added his voice to a growing chorus of xenophobia and fear regarding what he terms "Aliens." Secondly, as a scientist, he should know better: Any interstellar civilization would possess such technologies that the meager resources of Earth would be unneeded. If you can travel faster than the speed of light, you can manifest what is needed. Period. Moreover, IF they were hostile- since ETs are already visiting Earth (see www.DisclosureProject.org)- this would have been made crystal clear when we detonated the first atomic weapon in 1945. To date, no place on Earth has been invaded or attacked or colonized. Hawking should refrain from stirring the war-mongering fear pot that attends all things "alien." And one might ask: Why would he make such statements, unless he is carrying water for the military- industrial-financial complex which profiteers off of the wars that fear breeds? Steven M. Greer MD April 26, 2010 | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 468 Registered: 10-2008 |
Although Hawkings can be considered a genius , his reach , it seems , is limited . In the same way that he may not be an artistic genius or an athletic genius , his awareness of the reality of ET's seemingly doesn't cover a vast area as does his other cosmic thoughts . The subject of ET's if likely a passing thought , or rather the reaction to a question ,rather that something he's thought over and researched thoroughly .He was , however , correct that some ET races might be dangerous cosmic carpetbaggers. Stephen Hawkings , welcome to the FIGU forum . Search and find . MC | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 1165 Registered: 03-2004 |
Re: Michael's above post number 256: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/04/do_aliens_really_exist.html There are some intelligent comments here, for a happy change. Someone from here might want to mention the "M" word, or at least put forward Ptaah's info (as their own idea) that background cosmic electromagnetic "noise" from stars, etc. would swamp/overcome any terrestrial radio/TV transmissions before they could reach the next solar system, in the same way that a rock thrown into the sea makes a very limited radius of ripples. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 116 Registered: 09-2002 |
I agree with Michael. Hawkings should know better. Many people look up to him and place him on a higher pedestal than he probably should be, and his influence is vast in the scientific community. Its amazing how many scientists want to believe that every race in the universe would be as warlike or worse than us earth humans, even if they possess the technology to travel millions of light years to get here. I wonder if Mr. Hawkings has read or knows about Billy's info. Does anyone know? Mark Gilbo | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 07-2009 |
Does anyone know if Hawkings has access to the internet on that screen of his? If he does then he has no excuse for not finding out about the Meier case. | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 400 Registered: 09-2008 |
“Aliens almost certainly exist but humans should avoid making contact, Professor Stephen Hawking has warned...”If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans," he said.” The above statement from a well respected scientist such as Hawkins publically confirms and exposes the main reason earthlings are not yet ready to deal with extraterrestrial beings. It also is a great point to toss at the desperate debunkers when they ask why Billy’s supposedly imaginary friends are always concealed. Aside from a certain level of knowledge and logic that we might have reached or about to reach, a certain level of advancement in consciousness and spirituality is a prerequisite, a must if you will, for an ET encounter. If our top scientists conclude that our own savagery echoes that of the ET’s, the mind set of other kind of fanatics is quite obvious. Mr. Hawkins has totally disregarded the fact that this type of materialistic barbarism could quite possibly be unique to human beings on Earth. For example, it is not even shared by any other seemingly inferior species here on our own planet that never kills for profit or expansions of its selfish means, but only for its survival; quite a normal evolutionary process. He goes on to recommend that "The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like." All righty then Mr. Hawkins, let’s analyze the possibilities… 1st possible type: If there are alien species not technologically advanced enough to overcome the space travel limitations but yet barbarically intervening, we are in the same boat so to speak; thus there is no immediate danger. 2nd possible type: If there are alien species technologically advanced enough that have overcome the space travel limitations but they are yet barbarically intervening, we would either not have been here or would have been their slaves by now. Third possible type: However, if there are alien species technologically advanced enough that have overcome the space travel challenges and materialistic limitations, while they recognize us as the aggressive savages we have historically shown ourselves to be, then they must wait in concealment, observe, while reasonably yet silently help us in hope of our natural evolution. This third kind might even be protecting us from the second kind, so we do not become extinct or slaved. After all, they could only match each others' advanced technologies. Here in FIGU land, we all personally and collectively know of the third possible type; except it is a reality here and not a possibility. As for Mr. Hawkins and his colleagues, it is only a matter of time and maturity to realize this truth. Please feel free to help with this categorization if you feel that I have missed any other possible type.  Love, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 810 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Zhila, 4th possible type: An alien species technologically advanced to have overcome the space travel challenges, not willing to join a Galactic Federation, exploring and wanting to meet any other intelligent being and able to protect themselves from overly ambitious technology thieves. 5th possible type: An alien species technologically advanced to have overcome the space travel challenges, mysteriously blocked from being contacted by a Galactic Federation by their unknown technology, purely exploring. 6th possible type: An alien species technologically advanced to have overcome the space travel challenges, mysteriously addicted to bowling at all night bowling leagues and wearing matching polyester team shirts with silly team name embroidered on back. These types are probably here already but very harmless. I've been keeping an eye on this possible alien invasion....  As you can clearly see, they could be your neighbors! Stay posted.... a friend in america Shawn | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 581 Registered: 10-2005 |
Reincarnation aside... if you consider all one, why would you consider someone an Alien? Peace & Wisdom on Earth and among ALL beings. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 810 Registered: 07-2004 |
Aliens are the ones with strange sayings on their beamship bumper stickers... Alien, um, maybe as a way to describe something to someone who isn't all that evolved as a means of communicating. Of course I didn't mean you Randy, I think... Our language skills here on mudball 3 from the Sun; We went from grunting, to 'oh!', to 'go hunt now, to 'the other tribe will help us', to 'they're not with us on this one', to 'I think we're not in Kansas anymore Toto!'. a friend in america Shawn |
