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Thomas
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Post Number: 987
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 02:54 am: | 
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I am posting here because Decalogue is a German book by BEAM that doesn't have its own thread.
I was reading the book and came to several passages that struck me as amazing. I always knew (at least after learning about the spirit lessons) that Creation was everywhere and in everything but I always felt as if Creation were rather impersonal in spite of the fact that we and it are really one. I always felt that Creation made all of us and the universe and then was sort of hands off so to speak. In fact, that is somewhat true because Creation doesn't interfere in our evolution. It merely created everything and the laws that govern the universe, then it let things go to develop on their own path of evolution.
But that doesn't mean that Creation does not love each and every one of us, along with everything else that exists throughout its expanse. In the book, there are passages that I have understood to mean that Creation is really there with us and wants us to succeed and that all we need to do to benefit from Creation's assistance is to follow its laws. In this way, Creation never interferes with us and yet makes available its love and assistance at each moment and in every situation.
In other passages, the messages from Petale (the primary author of the book as transmitted to BEAM) make it clear that Creation demands no servitude nor any submissiveness on our part. It merely demands that we follow the same laws that it follows, and must follow, itself yet on a different scale and level. We are creations of Creation and thus subordinate to it as Creation is subordinate to its creator which I understand to be another Creation type of higher level, which in turn is subordinate to the Absolutum.
Unlike religions on Earth, Creation does not ask for nor want that we are dependent on it in any way other than using its energy, which makes our existence possible, and following its laws which, again, makes our existence possible. Petale tells us to never stop examining things to the furthest extent possible and to not just rest on the info we get from our daily lives. It says that, only by searching further and beyond what merely appears before us as obvious, can we evolve to the greatest extent.
To be honest, I thought the boo was going to be a bit boring. On the contrary, it was a pleasant surprise that there was so much specific information about the 12 bids that was not at all obvious to my cursory glance. Once again it becomes apparent that a superficial look at things only yields a very incomplete picture... |
Thomas
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Post Number: 988
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 03:01 am: |
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About the book Genesis: Has anyone of you read this book and understood the first parts in relation to the timing and steps from the initial creation from the void to the first awakening into self-awareness? I have the book but to be honest, due to my lack of German expertise in addition to the back and forth recursive explanations, I am more than a little confused! I understand each sentence but I am finding it difficult to piece together the exact timeline.
Anyone out there got the book and REALLY have a good grasp on the intial parts of it? Any help would be appreciated. I have gone over it a bazillion times and each time I think I have it, I read something that makes me think my interpretation is off :D
Thanks in advance! |
Thomas
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Post Number: 989
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2010 - 03:54 am: |
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OK, again about Genesis. here is exactly where my confusion lies just to be more specific than my previous post: In the book, it mentions that the universe only existed as idea in the Original Flame/Original Creation. The first point of confusion is, what happened between the existence of nothing but the void and the creation of the Original Flame/Original Creation? Then it says that the idea of the universe took 7 Great Times while inside the OrigFlame/OrigCreation to unfold and develop into a consciously aware entity. Fair enough. Then the book talks about the now conscious Creation evolving for 7 times 7 Total Great Times/All Great Times to be the Original Flame. How can that be if the Original Flame already existed? Is this supposed to be saying that the conscious Creation took 7 X 7 All Grt Times to evolve to the same level as the Original Flame? it seems that would be the logical conclusion but I may be off on that.
There are other details but I would like someone elses opinion on this IF YOU HAVE READ THE BOOK only please. The confusion for me is that is seems at times that the list in the book begins from the void and then other things I read make it seem to me that the list is starting with the Original Flame already in existence followed by the explanation of the steps leading to the first Creation AFTER the Original Flame.
Can anyone help out with this??? Please?!? LOL!!!
Thanks in advance!!! A lot!!!!!!!
Thomas:-) |
Thomas
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Post Number: 995
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 24, 2010 - 01:38 am: |
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OK everyone, I have found what I was looking for in regards to the initial steps from the void to first consciousness of the Original Creation in the book Existing Life in the Universe. In it it is clearly stated that the first 21 steps (from the moment of the first step in formation to the point where the Original Creation has its first three slumber periods, each being a Great Time) took an immeasurably long amount of time which is even unknown to the Petale level. It also makes clear (in my understanding anyway) that the events leading from the initial forming in the void up to the initial 3 slumber periods is not known to any great detail. So the series of events in Genesis are clearly only pertaining to creation of Creation and not pertaining to the initial creation of the Original Creation from the void. This is clear to me now and I wanted to pass that info on to anyone who may be unclear as I was... |
Thomas
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Post Number: 997
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 24, 2010 - 02:23 am: |
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To all interested who do not read German: I have just started a blog on wordpress about the FIGU books. It is my intention to post summaries and/or a table of contents for each of the books that FIGU publishes, specifically those books of BEAM and of FIGU Core Group Members. I will NOT be publishing any parts of the books themselves and I will NOT be rehashing each book into my own words in order that the books are in effect plagiarized. I have no intention of stealing from or harming the authors in any way. I only want to let those people out there who have not yet made an effort to learn German for whatever reason see what is in the books topic-wise so maybe they will be inspired to learn enough to read these little treasures :-)
If anyone is interested, the blog address is:
aboutcreation.wordpress.com
Thanks and let me know if you have any suggestions or additions for the blog.
Thomas
patricksdadinfrance@gmail.com |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 490
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Monday, May 24, 2010 - 03:24 pm: |
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Thanks Thomas, for the new blog .Very well done .
Mark |
Thomas
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Post Number: 1004
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 24, 2010 - 10:00 pm: |
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> It's simple Mark and far from perfect but I thought there would be people > who would benefit from it and, as I said, maybe it will encourage some > people to take up German :-) Thanks for checking it out! |
Thomas
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Post Number: 1006
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2010 - 10:46 am: |
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REQUEST(possibly Robyn or one of the moderators can help?): Can someone owning the book "OM" please furnish the German version of line 1271 I believe on page 227 please?
The reason I ask is because I found something on the German FIGU forum referencing this line which apparently says something like "A fool knows more than the pope, however, the pope is more clever than the fool." This is a little worrisome to me since the OM in my understanding is supposed to be called up from the storage banks at a time long before any pope even existed. I am sure there is a good explanation but I am eager to find it either way! :-) Many thanks in advance to anyone who can help on this...
Thomas |
Thomas
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Post Number: 1011
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2010 - 12:15 pm: |
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Hello everyone, I have posted another rough table of contents at my blog for anyone who is interested. It is from the book "From the Depths of Space" by BEAM. My blog is at:
aboutcreation.wordpress.com |
J_jansen
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 12:01 am: |
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Hello Thomas,
You wrote that you are going to start adding table of contents and summeries of FIGU books at your blog. Nice work. I've made a summery of a large part of the book AUS DEN TIEFEN DES WELTENRAUMS... KONTAKTE MIT DEN PLEJADIERN/PLEJAREN by Billy Meier, here's the URL:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Summary_of_Contents_for_Meier%27s_FROM_THE_DEPTHS_OF_SPACE..._CONTACTS_WITH_THE_PLEIADIANS/PLEJARENS,_Internet,_June_2009
Of course you may add it to your blog if you like.
Jeroen
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Articles_by_Jeroen_Jansen
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Thomas
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Post Number: 1014
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 02:49 am: |
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> Very cool Jeroen, may I use it on my blog then? Thanks for the heads up! |
Thomas
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Post Number: 1015
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 02:56 am: |
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> Sorry I missed the last line of your post Jeroen, and thank you for the > permission :-) |
J_jansen
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 09:57 am: |
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For all clarity: Since my _From the depths of space..._ summery is not complete (it covers only about 228 of the +300 pages) and it may contain spelling errors of course everybody may add corrections and additions to the summery.
Jeroen
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Articles_by_Jeroen_Jansen
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Thomas
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Post Number: 1020
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 01:46 pm: |
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I have update my blog with the contents listing of Rund um die Fluidalenergie/About the Fluidal Forces. This version is just a rough machine translation which will need to be corrected but will serve to at least give those interested an idea of what the book contains as far as topics...
aboutcreation.wordpress.com |
Thomas
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Post Number: 1021
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 04:01 pm: |
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Just posted several more books' contents in rough form over at my blog. The address is in my posts above...
Have a great day everyone! |
Thomas
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Post Number: 1076
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 12:02 pm: |
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Hi everyone. I will be keeping my blog at creationdata.wordpress.com however I will soon be deleting the other blog I have at aboutcreation.wordpress.com. The former is going to continue to be my personal sounding board/idea sorting area while the blog with the rough contents of the FIGU books is going to be taken down. If anyone wants to copy it for strictly their own personal use, feel free. Please do not repost it anywhere else though (with the exception of FutureOfMankind, which does have permission if desired). I will leave it up for a few days but I don't know exactly when I will drop it so if you want anything, I suggest getting it soon.
The other blog has more of a purpose for me and anyone else who feels like visiting, but the book blog was more of a "one shot" kind of thing that noone seems interested in.
Thanks and have a great day! |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 504
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Friday, June 25, 2010 - 12:36 am: |
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Thanks, Thomas . I will visit the new site of yours more often .
Mark |
Thomas
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Post Number: 1078
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 25, 2010 - 05:00 am: |
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> Hi Mark I didn't say anything to try to get more visitors since that isn't > the purpose. I use my blogs as a personal thing but they are available to > whomever wants to check them out. The one with the books' table of contents > will likely be gone by the end of the weekend (France local time) but the > other one will remain. As I said, anyone can copy it for their own private > use before it is erased :-) Take care... |
Lth
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Post Number: 68
Registered: 06-2010
| | Posted on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 02:53 am: |
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A repost from another forum member:
From the Book OM:
1000. But the unrighteous, those who committed the misdeeds and did not change, they will never again enter the Earth, because only those who satisfy themselves with peace and are those who are the righteous ones will live on it, while all the unrighteous will be exterminated from the surface of the Earth as if they were irritating vermin who mutually destroy themselves.
1045. And the unrighteous ones will fall into the infinity of the nothingness before the glory of Creation, without return, therefore they neither again will get up and will not reborn again.
Since, Billy teaches that the spirit-form will not die, or go to hell. Does anyone have any further insights or knowledge about these verses mean exactly? The unrighteous "personality" will not be created or produces anymore, of course, or will those particular spirit-forms be divided and deported to another prison planet, or what?
End of repost
My question: Christian, can you help out with any sort of explanation on this? It is a very good question the previous poster had. Thanks for any help! |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 494
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2010 - 05:06 am: |
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Hi Lth,
It might mean that those who have made absolute pigs of themselves without remorse will be placed at the end of the re-incarnation queue in effect never re-incarnating again ..... at least not on Earth which will pass away as does every planet eventually.
So as an example:
Adolph Hitler considered a living monster was actually not fully responsible for his actions due to control exerted on him by the Giza boys so .... his spirit form is already again re-incarnated and walking amongst us.
The exact criteria for determining outcomes connected with similar issues ??
How will Mr Bush, Mr Cheney, Mr Blair some members of prominent wealthy banking families, various dictators, crazy scientists, pillars of holy self righteousness fare in this regard .... who knows ??
It's not like these characters stole a packet of biscuits from the supermarket or something of that order.
Cheers.
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Lth
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Post Number: 74
Registered: 06-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2010 - 05:35 am: |
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> Thanks for the response Ramirez but it doesn't jibe with what I understand > of the spirit teachings. I think I will put this on the back burner until > someone has something more definite or maybe asks BEAM. Thanks again anyhow > :-) |
Rarena
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Post Number: 599
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2010 - 09:29 am: |
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Dear Ramirez,
Hi, how do you do? We haven't communicated before...
This trip to Switzerland I asked Billy about this very subject. My question was do we all make it to Arahat Athersata and his answer was a simple: Yes.
This is an extremely esoteric and advanced knowledge of which we are only just getting to know and there may be parts of our understanding that cannot fathom the depth of knowledge because we are well... novices... in this area.
So... Billy's answer... to me and my limited evolution and knowledge, means that everyone evolves further... of course, at different rates... according to their individual body and spiritform and the ability of this entity to understand where they made their mistake so as not to repeat the very same mistake. Billy is very intelligent and his answers seem simple on the surface and often... time will tell if this was the meaning I understood and have determined from his answer.
Of course, it is my understanding the spirit or forceable forcelessness... lives forever and reincarnation is a melding of material/spiritual "beingness" and the personality, that is... the educational evolution programming of the individual for this unique life journey are like fingerprints and will not be exactly the same as those of another... and people of lesser evolution will not reincarnate on the same planet with those of greater evolution... The reference sited in the OM refers only to Earth... not Creation.
Although, the idea that there are those whom never reincarnate again with us... may be true... remember, reincarnation is we are told... a 60-80 billion year long journey and we enhance and evolve to become non-carnate (no meat)one day and exist in another "form". So that means we do not die in some... non-form, eh eh... spirit form.
This is good, it is effectually a "weeding" of the garden, that is... all Creation which is of course... us. We must understand and consider ourselves... ONE... and that all of us are part of Creation which is ever evolving. We are not THE Creation... of course, we are connected via a tiny spark within our superior colliculus which enlivens every cell within us.
So it is my limited understanding... this culling of behavior, this return to nothingness sited in the OM... the book of books... is not the totality of what we call a human being... it is only the behavior which is corrected and eliminated and can be changed and corrected although it may take several lifetimes or reincarnations (return to the meat)... to accomplish. Anyway that is my take and I would enjoy any correction of this understanding.
Salome... greetings in Peace and Wisdom. |
Mahigitam
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Post Number: 233
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2010 - 10:41 am: |
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salome,
I read somewhere in the material that, not all spirits will achieve their intended higher state before creation goes into a slumber...
Also we know that, a highly developed spirit(much more than earth-humans level) will incarnate into humanbody when the average level of earth-human/EARTH is reached..until then these spirit-forms stay in the beyond..
So from these insights, is it possible that some bad,negative spirit-forms will remain behind while the rest of humanity will listen to the inner urge to develop/transform..and finally merge withy the creation..
Without love & compassion, meditation is meaningless - Jiddu Krishnamurthy
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