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Johnboy
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Post Number: 47
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 02:59 pm: | 
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6.1 seaquake just offshore of Costa Rica.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/us2010wzae.php
Johnboy |
Whitelotus
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Post Number: 13
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 02, 2010 - 07:57 am: |
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How serious is the threat of proliferation of nuclear related production for peaceful purposes (i.e energy usage) or weaponry in the international landscape?
The real dangers to environment? |
Memo00
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Post Number: 428
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 02, 2010 - 06:53 pm: |
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Hello Whitelotus
Plejaren have said that we should not use nuclear energy until we discover the way to manage the wastes so that they are not dangerous anymore. (what the nuclear radiation produces is no secret, cancer, deformities, etc.) They have explained that nuclear bombs are being used secretly for construction. Also it has been mentioned that the bombs from the second world war damaged the Earth´s magnetic field. So it can be said that the nuclear threat is something very serious.
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 295
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 02, 2010 - 03:27 pm: |
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"How serious is the threat of proliferation of nuclear...[materials]?"
- Whitelotus
Very. How serious can we get before we die?
Real dangers to the environment are multifold.
1. The mere threat of nuclear wars causes even more stripping of the natural environment of its resources as people take expensive precautions which in turn engenders further desperately unsustainable over-competition, building anxiety and fear. The whole nuclear industry is a very resource-intensive, expensive endeavor to maintain, for any country.
2. Nuclear radiation is not fully understood by Earth-bound mankind yet. The are as-yet-unknown forms of radiation which are not healthy, which emanate from nuclear reactions, and which are not being contained by our methods. Clean power sources can be readily developed by mankind once we really desire to do so.
3. Should the bombs ever go off, the direct environmental impacts of a post-nuclear landscape are well known. Suffice to say that it is beyond stupid, it is suicidal. Apparently we have devised bombs powerful enough to not only start a planet-killing nuclear reaction, but also we have developed the means, as yet unknown by us, to start a universe negating nuclear reaction which spreads at the speed of light and is unstoppable by anyone in the known universe.
Is the threat real? Yes. Plejarens have already intervened on our behalf to prevent our atmosphere from burning up in a bomb experiment gone wrong. (Oops!)
Love is always the way : )
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Elreyjr
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Post Number: 148
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Friday, June 04, 2010 - 09:19 am: |
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Hi Sitkaa,
"Plejarens have already intervened on our behalf to prevent our atmosphere from burning up in a bomb experiment gone wrong. (Oops!)"
Do you think intervention could happen in regards the oil rig disaster? How about some impulses at the least?
Jun
My will be done |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 296
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 04, 2010 - 12:13 pm: |
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"How about some impulses at the least?"
It seems to me that people are breathing a sigh of relief, for what could have happened - a large and uncontrollable oil well destroying the world's oceans may in fact be controllable in a few more months.
That way we will only destroy most higher life in the Gulf of Mexico. Algae will clean up the mess as soon as it can. The North Atlantic may be large enough to absorb this amount of oil without a complete ecosystem die-off. Of course, this will also make a big impact on coastal communities dependent upon the tourism and seafood industries, but people and communities are mobile and can move when need be, ecosystems are not.
Unfortunately, by itself this event will not make enough of an impact to reach the idiots at the U.N. and in Washington, D.C. who only know environmental 'compromise'. With global sustainability issues, there is no compromise. We do this dancing two-step with our competitively evil gremlin, and life of everyone lies in the balance.
Love is always the way
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Mahigitam
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Post Number: 199
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 01:58 am: |
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Toxic Oil Spill Rains Warned Could Destroy North America
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/05/toxic-oil-spill-rains-warned-could-destroy-north-america/
"A dire report prepared for President Medvedev by Russia’s Ministry of Natural Resources is warning today that the British Petroleum (BP) oil and gas leak in the Gulf of Mexico is about to become the worst environmental catastrophe in all of human history threatening the entire eastern half of the North American continent with “total destruction”.
A greater danger involving Corexit 9500, and as outlined by Russian scientists in this report, is that with its 2.61ppm toxicity level, and when combined with the heating Gulf of Mexico waters, its molecules will be able to “phase transition” from their present liquid to a gaseous state allowing them to be absorbed into clouds and allowing their release as “toxic rain” upon all of Eastern North America.
Even worse, should a Katrina like tropical hurricane form in the Gulf of Mexico while tens of millions of gallons of Corexit 9500 are sitting on, or near, its surface the resulting “toxic rain” falling upon the North American continent could “theoretically” destroy all microbial life to any depth it reaches resulting in an “unimaginable environmental catastrophe” destroying all life forms from the “bottom of the evolutionary chart to the top”.
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Seems to be the event which billy talked about the destruction of north america...
The real does not die, the unreal never lived - Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
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Indi
Moderator
Post Number: 494
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 05:50 pm: |
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If you have a look at the other stories at the 'EU Times online' and you click on their 'sources' you may discover that many sources are highly inflammatory, mostly anti US.
The source for the story above can be found here:
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1374.htm
It pays to be as discerning as one can!
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1994
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 02:02 pm: |
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I don't know if this is a real possibility, but the damage to the environment as a result of the oil leak in the gulf, may be something far reaching..
http://doctorjamespwickstrom.blogspot.com/2010/06/what-us-scientists-are-forbidden-to.html |
Phenix
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Post Number: 353
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 02:16 pm: |
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Peace in wisdom be with you,
Scott, i wonder, whether Dr. James P. Wickstrom is trustworthy - as you cautiously indicated in your post:
Wikipedia: "James P. Wickstrom (born 1942) is a far right radio talk-show host as well as a Christian Identity minister, who resides in Rhodes, Michigan" [...]
And more:
http://www.google.nl/search?q=Dr.+James+P.+Wickstrom&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:nl:official&client=firefox-a
Salome. |
Earthling
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Post Number: 447
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 03:56 pm: |
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Scott, to borrow a few Billy-isms .. that site you refer to, is a fear-mongering, panic-mongering, disinformation dispensing, steaming pile of bs mixed in with a few morsels of truth; kind of like the major religions on this planet.
I don't know enough about the mechanics of this disaster to decipher their facts from fiction, and imo that's precisely what they're counting on as they spew their agenda filled, twisted factoids. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1995
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 05:12 pm: |
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I have wondered if all humans on Earth were to direct their thoughts at stemming the flow of oil, or at least diminishing it's rate of entry into the Gulf, would this be a possibility? How about if everyone who reads this forum all got together and picked a day and time to visualize this happening? I think it might be a worthwhile endeavor.
Any comments? |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 509
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 05:42 pm: |
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i'll go for that, scott. |
Tameralc
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 03-2010
| | Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 09:00 am: |
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let's do it! |
Hunter
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Post Number: 360
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 10:19 am: |
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Scott,
I think that would fall into the realm of telekinesis, which I think Billy said would take decades for the average earth human to see even a minor ability to affect physical matter in this way. I think as far as mental/spiritual abilities go it would be better to try and influence leaders to take more action.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 298
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 06:28 am: |
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I think the Gulf oil catastrophe should be dealt with tangibly, but there are people who could better spend their efforts sending prayers, hopes, good will. Still, it would be nice if FIGU were organized in such a fashion as to be able to follow thru on such proposals, regardless of some tangible effort (designing, building, implementing solutions, etc.)
Whatever we do, if anything, it should be done sooner rather than later.
Love is always the way
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Rarena
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Post Number: 584
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 10:45 am: |
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Prayers, hope and good will... are like wishes.
I guess if wishes were horses; beggers would ride, and the oil spill would continue flowing... destroying the lives of many.. while everyone was praying, sitting, kneeling and standing in front of the church waiting to be noticed...
Earth humans are a bit behind the curve when it comes to love... the Plejaren claim we do not know it...
Logic... something we are much better at... is a far more resourceful use of our creative talent... |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 281
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 01:20 pm: |
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Regarding the oil spill, I saw a photo of the oil spewing from the pipe and it occurred to me that this pipe must be made of steel.
So it occurs to me that one possible way to cap this might be with a super-powerful magnet-based steel cap. Now I don't know anything about the details of such things, and I think that really powerful super-magnets rely on electricity but maybe some engineering geniuses could figure this out.
My vision would be that a huge steel cap, closely engineered to the tightest possible tolerances, would be gradually lowered and guided towards the broken pipe. When it was properly aligned right above the pipe, the electrical component necessary to generate the magnetic attraction would be activated creating an irresistible sealing of the pipe.
Rod,Randy, etc., anything like this possible?
MH |
Thomas
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Post Number: 1036
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 12:35 am: |
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> Just curious, are Rod and Randy engineers by chance? |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 272
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 07:07 am: |
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It's a great idea Michael. But trying to get the magnet down there would attract all kinds of scrap metal to it. And we know that the remains of the Horizon are still sitting on the ocean floor. It may also pull on the existing pipe and move it which may cause a break and create more oil.
Instead of a magnet, how about a huge tampon? Maybe BP and Tampex can partner together for a solution.
"How the hell would you know what my line looks like, it's imaginary." - my Dad, after being told by the police to walk a straight line.
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 282
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 08:43 am: |
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My other thought would be to not think of capping the leak from above but by using a two-piece cap that is brought together by two small submarines. The two halves would be applied from the sides and bolted together to seal the opening. |
Earthling
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Post Number: 450
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 12:23 pm: |
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MH - Best layman's guess, that magnet idea don't stand a chance. But your 2nd idea; I think you may be on to something in the beginning stages of thought/solution form; Attacking the spill from getting inside the pipe & using some computer robot to expand outward to form a seal. |
J_rod7
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Post Number: 1291
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 12:53 pm: |
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Hi Michael,
After I received & answered you email, I now find this has gone to the Forum for discussion. So to satisfy the curiosity of a few others here, I'll re-post my response:
Yes, possible, but calls for a continuous supply of very high electrical current to maintain a strong field. Can this be guaranteed?
Remember too, that the reservoir is at very high pressures, greater than 20,000 PSI, so the magnetic force to hold such a device against the pipe would be enormous.
Such an electromagnet would have to be engineered to hold against at least twice the actual well pressure to obtain a margin of safety.
One additional consideration is the drill casing pipe will be made from Stainless Steel. This is common practice in oil-fields as the oil is and contains corrosive sulfur compounds = SO2, H2S and Methyl Mercaptans for example. Stainless Steel has virtually NO magnetic properties. RE:
["All austenitic grades [of Stainless Steel] have very low magnetic permeabilities and hence show almost no response to a magnet when in the annealed condition...
Grades 310 and 316 will in most instances still be almost totally non-responsive.
((Grade 316-SS is the most commonly used in the oil fields.
I worked in Oil/Gas processing some 30-years as an Analyzer Technician/ Rod))
The change in magnetic response is due to atomic lattice straining and formation of martensite. In general, the higher the nickel to chromium ratio the more stable is the austenitic structure and the less magnetic response that will be induced by cold work. Magnetic response can therefore be used as a method for sorting grades of stainless steel, but considerable caution needs to be exercised."] --- (source) ---
http://www.azom.com/details.asp?ArticleID=1140
Possible = YES, Practical = NO
IF they could drop a similar device (cap) onto the pipe, THEN weld it with the robots, that might work. Still working against a huge pressure =? Then simply drop a section of pipe (which already has an open Shut-off valve attached) to fit around the casing. Weld the pipe to the casing, then shut the valve. This is so simple, even a non-engineer could do it, (right Thomas?).
I think we are seeing the prophecies come true before our eyes -- this could be the death of the greater part of the seas, the fishes, and the marine ecosystem.
Peace
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~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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