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    Smukhuti Member Post Number: 344 Registered: 06-2009 |
The Plejaren do dimension travel between the two space-time configurations - The Plejaren dimension being a fraction of a second ahead of our space-time configuration. From http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Interview_with_Billy_%281998%29 "The Pleiades/Plejares from where these extraterrestrials come, exist in a different space-and-time-configuration that is shifted from our own by a fraction of a second, and can only be penetrated via an artificially created "dimension gate" in the vicinity of the Pleiades that are visible from Earth. The distance from the gate to the Plejares, as the extraterrestrials call their native system, is approximately 80 light years further." Salome. Suv | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 649 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi all "Shifted by a fraction of a second" [Second] can be an unit in Time or in Degree. Can anyone confirm whether it is: 1. "Shifted by a small amount in time" or 2. "Shifted by a small amount in degree" ? Salome Savio | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 933 Registered: 03-2004 |
In the contacts Semjase says shifted a fraction of a second, so this leads = me to understand that it is a shift in time. patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 934 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dimensional travel is different from traveling between universes. patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 346 Registered: 06-2009 |
The Plejaren are in same Universe as ours. The fraction of a second (time unit) "future" is not future of our dimension. So a dimensional travel cannot be called time-travel because the trip is from Plejaren dimension current time to our dimension current time. IMO there may be a possibility that the Plejaren posses technology for a dimensional time travel - for example jumping from Plejaren dimension current time to our dimension future time without needing to execute dimension travel and time travel sequentially. That is just a speculation. Salome. Suv | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 651 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Thomas Thanks for the input ^_^ Billy’s original text is: “ …. in a different Space-and-Time-configuration that is shifted from our own by a fraction of a second……” Me too, also think that it would be "a shift in time " in the first place. However, a shift in time might lead to the existence of another timeline that is in parallel with our existing one. While Billy does not agree to the concept of separate/parallel timeline, hence the possibility of “a shift in Space/coordinates (degree)”. Perhaps a question for the next Q&A session? ^_^ Salome Savio | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 937 Registered: 03-2004 |
A timeline as popularly used is not the same as a time shifted dimension si= nce the shifted dimensions do not branch off infinitely as do the scifi ver= sions. patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 941 Registered: 03-2004 |
During the Great Voyage, BEAM said that dimensional travel IS time travel a= nd Ptaah concurred though I agree it isn't the same as we normally think of= it. patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 348 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hello Thomas, "During the Great Voyage, BEAM said that dimensional travel IS time travel" Could not find that in contact 31. Agreed that in a different sense dimensional travel are time travel if you take a certain dimension as a reference time. But otherwise, when a simple dimension travel is done, that means travelling between current times of two dimensions. Salome. Suv | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 467 Registered: 06-2006 |
For assistance with this current discussion, I want to draw your attention to a post from Bob/Phi_spiral, on the previous page #500: Hi Suv The Plejarens do not live in a separate “time-track” to us but in an andersdimensionierten Universum (a different-dimensioned universe) by virtue of being a split second postponed to our space-time structure (p 18, Aus den Tiefen des Weltenraums). They have a dimension gate which allows them to communicate from their dimension to ours without any time delay whatsoever. And the same communication system is available to all federation members in all the different dimensions as well as to Asket’s people in the DAL universe and even other nations living there who have formed a friendly alliance with the Plejaren (p. 210, Aus den Tiefen des Weltenraums). Regards Bob Robyn | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 349 Registered: 06-2009 |
Thanks Robyn, I understand that the concept of separate timeline and time track is trash. They live in a separate dimension shifted from our time by a fraction second. But to my understanding they live in DERN Universe, albeit, in a separate dimension. The above translation mentions "a different-dimensioned universe" which could give the impression that they live in a separate Universe (like our twin Universe DAL, or another Universe from another Creation) whereas the fact is the live in same DERN Universe in a different dimension (different dimensioned same Universe can of course have different stellar bodies from our dimension). Can you please clarify this? Salome. Suv | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 468 Registered: 06-2006 |
In case anyone is wondering where their posts have gone to, I am letting you know that I have just moved 8 posts from this section, that had nothing to do with Time travel, but were about personality/consciousness blocks etc... Posts from Elreyjr, Thomas, Edward and Rod were all moved to: The Spiritual Teaching --> Miscellaneous. Further, 4 posts welcoming Calenwath, and his query about Christine Day, have been moved to: The Mission --> Pleiad../Pleid... --> Miscellaneous Keeping the threads as 'on topic' as possible would be appreciated even though we know it is difficult at times. Robyn | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 469 Registered: 06-2006 |
Suv, once again I will direct you to a post by Bob, in the 'Creation itself' thread post 314 where the 'universes within universes' concept is discussed: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/9253.html#POST33769 There is such a wealth of information contained withing the topics on this forum, and worth spending the time to go through. It is seldom that someone asks a question these days that has not already been asked or touched upon in some way by past posters. Robyn | ||
Ascanioalex Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 04-2010 |
Excellent topic. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 434 Registered: 05-2008 |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1269288/STEPHEN-HAWKING-How-build-time-machine.html "Stephen Hawking Explains How To Build A Time Machine "  | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 11-2008 |
when time-travelling to the future does that become the new present or does it remain the future? | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 427 Registered: 03-2004 |
hello Joe it would be the present for you and everyone living there at that moment | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 194 Registered: 09-2007 |
This is in response to Lepuniv's latest question to Billy. I hope that he/she sees it... Lepuniv: "Its part the common knowledge that LOUIS 16th was beheaded during the French Revolution. Its an irreversible historical fact. Question: Since the past cannot be changed, then, would a special force impede a time traveller from blocking up the guillotine? ( The question deals with the existence of a special force)" Lepuniv, I think that you haven't really understood what "one can't change the past" means. What time travel allows is to become part of the past. You could travel to the past and kill someone there, there would be no force to stop you. But of course, by the time you had left that murder would already be an historical fact. So, you can ask all day long how it would be if you were to change the past, that doesn't mean that you will do it or that anyone else will do that which you have in mind. The fact that Louis XVI was beheaded is the final proof that neither you or anyone else has gone to the past to prevent that from happening. At most there could have been a time traveler whose actions would cause Louis XVI to be beheaded. But its not likely that that was his/her original intention, since the beheading would have already been a fact by the time he/she had gone into the past. I hope this helps in any way David | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1819 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi David.... Yes, very interesting insight, you made there. Well, as Guido mentioned as was my acknowledgement, also: the Past, Present and Future is just like it being recorded on Celluloid Film(; Guido mentions this in his book, as example). Thus, it is just like wanting/trying to CUT a piece of out the Celluloid Film and than trying to glue it together(if you could)...and Change the whole Film scenario. Just like a film editor would do: Cut and Past. Thus, it just does not work this way, no? What is recorded in the (Original/UR) Celluloid Film...IS recorded, and NOTHING can just NOT be Changed/Altered. Whatever...One may thing. The Celluloid Film is just BINDING...and the - Final Result - of that Whole scenario of the Past, Present and Future(; which in reality is just - Present and Future -, mind us). And as Billy mentioning it being even, 'the other way around': Future Affecting the Present(/Past); in stead of the Past/Present Affecting of the Future; which has to do with the - Overlapping - of their sequence of existence, in the sense that both are NOW. And if we examine the just above mentioned, it truly is that way. Within the framework of the - Celluloid Film Factor -, as Guido mentioned. In the WHOLE of the Celluloid Film...we review: The NOW, and her Result/Out Come. As if we are NOT bound to TIME, but....only, The NOW (; Existence (of Creation), in her TRUE form(at)....)! Edward. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1382 Registered: 02-2000 |
How do we even know we are in the present? My Website | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 313 Registered: 10-2004 |
"How do we even know we are in the present?" - Norm For you, what is 'the present'? Love is always the way | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 520 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey norm, from my understanding, the present is a point between the future and the past, and represents the continuosly shifting of future into past. i think i recall billy saying somewhere that the present moment actually does'nt exist other than in the sense that what was present will only be so for a moment and then be the past. as a human being it is important for us to consider things from our perspective. you can't use something that will exist 200 years from now, as THE present. i think the present is relative to the time and space we live in. the word PRESENT, seems to give a good clue as to what it really is. that's my understanding of it anyway. | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 11-2008 |
In contact report 39 Semjase took Billy to a natural dimension door in the Bermuda Triangle which led to 3 Earths, one of them being an Earth that was 470 years ahead of ours. My question is if Billy were to for example time travel 470 years to the future from Switzerland instead of the Bermuda Triangle, would it lead to the same Earth? My guess would be yes but I'd like to know your thoughts on this. |
