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    Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 273 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi All The CIA World Factbook has released 2010 population figures (estimated). 2009 - 6,779,140,655 2010 - 6,830,586,985 They estimate that the world population has grown by 51,446,330 The Plejaren counted the number of humans on 11.12.2007 (midnight) to be 7,684,227,416. The number now is almost 8 billion humans. Here is a question I asked Billy on the forum ---- Just a quick question - Do you or the Plejaren know the exact figure of human beings on planet Earth and when was this figure calculated, if possible? Yes, they know, and they know when this figure is calculated. However, when they know the result they also know that the number has changed in the meantime because each second the population number changes. To give you some additional information: Each human being’s consciousness emanates a certain vibration which is different to any other human being within the universe. With their very sophisticated devices the P’s are able/capable to count each and every vibration/frequency on Earth. And since they have divided the Earth into a grid pattern they are able to detect any human being’s location if they have stored his vibration frequency. And from this results that if a vibration frequency ceases to exist they know that a human being has died. In order to count the human beings on planet Earth at any given moment they just have to scan the grid and count the human vibrations. ---- I know us Earth Humans do not possess this technology but can the CIA with their technology really be out by over a billion or are we seeing falsified figures? I personally think a falsification is taking place here with Earth Human population figures. Clearly the population growth rate is higher than 51,446,330 over 1 year. If we look at 2005 population figures compared to 2007 population figures. CIA World Factbook 2005 - 6,446,131,400 FIGU (Plejaren) 2005 - 7,503,846,002 CIA World Factbook 2007 - 6,602,224,175 - additional humans = 156,092,775 FIGU (Plejaren) 2007 - 7,684,227,416 - additional humans = 180,381,414 Then if we go back to 1990: CIA World Factbook 1990 - 5,316,644,000 FIGU (Plejaren) 1990 - 5,367,887,093 So in conclusion in 1990 both the CIA and FIGU figures was almost identical. 20 Years later the figures have drifted apart by about 1 billion. Does unknown births contribute to this? I think yes but not to the extent of 1 billion unknown births. After all when a new born is brought into this world it is recorded. How can these records be out by 1 billion? This is what makes me think there is a falsification taking place. Salome Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 282 Registered: 10-2009 |
Hi Stephen, good question (and good job!). I wonder if the Plejaren technology have included the human clones and human/? hybrids? "How the hell would you know what my line looks like, it's imaginary." - my Dad, after being told by the police to walk a straight line. | ||
Davidmg Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 03-2008 |
Getknowledge please see FIGU Bulletin # 10 on arable land. | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 03-2007 |
Sounds like Ted Turner is reading the Meier material, or could be that he has enough sense to recognize the inevitable. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38556042/ns/us_news-giving/ To date, I’ve visited more than 60 countries in every part of the world. In addition to making a lot of friends, I’ve also seen firsthand the desperate challenges facing so many people. It’s been eye-opening for me and I’ve discovered that the more people you meet, the more you learn, and the more you learn, the more you want to help, and the more you help, the better you feel. *** These days, I’m putting my resources and energies toward tackling the worlds more important issues. The three problems that concern me the most are the threat of nuclear annihilation, climate change and the continuing growth of the world’s population.*** Sometimes these problems can seem overwhelming, and when they do, I remind myself of a conversation I had many years ago with Jacques Cousteau. I asked him if he ever got discouraged or worried that the problems he was working on were insurmountable. He looked at me and said, “Ted, it could be that these problems can’t be solved, but what can men of good conscience do but keep trying until the very end?” At that moment, his very words inspired me to want to do even more. | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 259 Registered: 07-2009 |
Hi Schantz, Are the people signing up in this Giving Pledge (eg. Bill Gates and Warren Buffett) really going to give half their wealth away? (I assume its when they pass away) Somehow, I can't help but think theres got to be a catch somewhere in it. | ||
Vibka_wallder New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2010 |
Hi Everyone, Something exciting and positive has happened here in Australia: Dick Smith, a well-known and respected entrepreneur and businessman has picked up on the population problem, and he's filmed an interesting documentary with the ABC. I thought you may like to have a look at it, and see if you can share it with radio/TV stations in your countries. Here's the link: http://www.abc.net.au/iview/?series=2981397#/series/2981397 Salome, Vibka | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 502 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Vibka, Thankyou, Outstanding video .... 100% common sense. Tells an interesting story cleverly highlighting the main issues, exposes the proponents and driving factors of population growth and ..... it doesn't require genius to figure out the motives. Dick Smith = an honorable gentleman. A program which should to be shown & discussed in every school. Cheers. | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 289 Registered: 10-2009 |
You've pretty much hit the nail on the head Ramirez - "A program which should to be shown & discussed in every school." There are just too many religious freaks to sway them on the overpopulatin issue. On the other hand, our kids seem to be a lot more open minded about such a concept. When I asked my kids what the biggest problem humans face was, they all replied pollution. No, it's overpopulation, I told them. Once they thought about it for awhile, I asked them if they would be willing to be part of a world wide birth stop. They all said yes. The only thing I hope for is that I will never become a grandparent, lol. "How the hell would you know what my line looks like, it's imaginary." - my Dad, after being told by the police to walk a straight line. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1384 Registered: 02-2000 |
You have to live in Australia to see that video. ---------- Norm, you could try using an Australian proxy server to enable you to view it. Used in Firefox it is quick and simple. Here is a link to some Australian ones: http://aliveproxy.com/proxy-list/proxies.aspx/Australia-au Robyn (Message edited by indi on August 14, 2010) My Website | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1386 Registered: 02-2000 |
I can't seem to get that to work. My Website | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 11-2008 |
not exactly about overpopulation but rather the opposite: http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/aug2010/bw20100812_825983.htm The problem is that our governments start to worry when the population of their country starts to decrease because there'll be less number of workers for every pensioner which maybe is understandable. What I disagree with is that our governments are willing to put the economy first even if it's at the detriment of the environment with more tall buildings, more cars more houses and so forth. If the overpopulation problem that we have on Earth isn't dealt with then another world war is inevitable. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1857 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Joe.... Well, it would be either a WAR...indeed, or in the long run...a Plague of some sort as once was the case with one of the other Global Overpopulated planets. Which is just a Logical Out Come. Not to forget that the consumption of animals are artificially upgraded to suit the needs of our Overpopulated planet. Thus: Animals as well as Humans contribute to this - Destruction Factor. Thus, the Animal World is also: Out Of Balance. Our - Atmosphere Collapsing -, is just the start! You can imaging HOW....this will END!? Plain old Creational Law at work: Consequences - Cause and Effect. And NO ONE can say that (The) Creation did not WARN us! And we can NOT blame Creation, either. This is what we get for not LISTENING to WHAT Creation has to say. Which is not much to ask.... Glory to Creation.... Edward. | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 11-2008 |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11062708 Some of you might ask what does the article have to do with overpopulation? Well what has to be taken into consideration is that China is so far the most populated country on Earth. More people means more vehicles on the road which would result in more traffic jams. | ||
Techieatwork Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi everyone. I need your help in understanding further on this topic of overpopulation. Someone debated with me using this: "Carlos said: I think population needs to be viewed from the macro point of view. We are already too far into the over-population levels. Not sure if you've traveled enough to see it with your own eyes. ...policies should be openly discussed everywhere, not just in America. What I am not in favour of, is the war industry helping brother kill brother everywhere just for a mere economic gain. If we ALL become conscious enough of the population issue, we can ALL be part of the solution. Gradually, slowly, reducing humanely (not to abortion, not to wars, not to massacres, not to vaccinations) but rationally reducing our numbers, letting the old die a great peaceful old-age death, monitoring the number of births, bringing the population down drastically from 9.5 Billion (accounting for the many not into censures, aborigines and many others in many places not accounted for in any country's computers, but still imposing a burden on the ecosystems).. But, going back to politics, .. the more people, the more wars, the more violence, the more hunger. the more rapes, the more water scarcity, etc, etc, etc. We are ALL part of the problem, and we should be ALL part of the solutions. #JRK said: I gracefully disagree. The Earth can sustain 3 times as many people as we have now, easily. The globalist pollute the planet and blame it on We The People and then say we need to reduce our numbers. We The People never did shit. They only want us to reduce our populations because we stand a fighting chance against their tyranny if we come together. The population of the Earth is aging. We're all gonna have to f^&k like crazy and have MORE kids if we want to survive as a specie. READ, WATCH, LEARN. There is a great documentary contained within: "The Disappearing Male"" http://www.scribd.com/doc/35746190/An-Aging-World-2008 I've had a look at it, and it would make sense that with the declining quality of water and food, fertility levels are dropping.. homosexuality in the increase, etc. From all this data, overall, population is aging I think this trend is not true for countries in the equatorial belt. The Caribbean, South-East Asia.. India.. I see Europe and Americas population actually aging too By 2040 I will be 69 years old.. baby boomers will be, in their 80s..? with water scarcity and poor food quality plus trillion more pollutants everywhere around us (water, food), population is to curve down by itself.. If you think this logic is incorrect, and if you can show more exact calculations, please show me Things that the Plejaren say are nice to know, but I wold prefer factual studies, if you can show me actual count and trends from actual census data, etc. like that document I am pointing to, I would really be appreciative of that. Thank you in advance. Salome Carlos -- Billy: Dann sprichst du eben in geraffter Form. Quetzal: Das will ich tun. | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 358 Registered: 10-2004 |
Even in academia there is dissension in the ranks. I did a study of this problem for my Master's, and found that 1. the ideas that things are going downhill, whether in terms of resource shortages, growing pop, developing diseases, pollution, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum, are pretty well substantiated. 2. the ideas that things are NOT going downhill are not very substantiated, and usually proponed by contrarians with their hand in a money jar, somewhere. That said, yes the global pop is aging, thank goodness. It was very young, and people the world over are generally living longer, esp. in less developed countries. Additionally, education is making an impact, the more educational opportunities one has the less likely one is to make babies from an early age. The biggest impacts in this regard are the European pops, which are shrinking and growing oldest. Last I checked, America was actually still growing, mostly because of immigration. It seems among policy makers the economic argument is the strongest. Economists keep screaming about who will support all of these people in their old age, but that is based upon the current economic model which, to be honest, could use some updating. It is definitely possible to design an economy that takes into account a shrinking and/or aging pop. Instead, the policy that is being instigated is to subtly import immigrants from less developed countries, which has some negative side effects. My scholastic research has since been buried in a closet and it would take me too long to dig it out, however, you can do your own looking by following this link: http://www.un.org/esa/population/ The UN is keeping an eye on this issue, as is (to a lesser degree) the US Census. The point is, usually these arguments are not very well thought out, and/or unsubstantiated, even amongst the academics. Love is always the way | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 205 Registered: 09-2007 |
Even with an above-replacement natality rate, the median age of the population is bound to increase because the life expectancy is increasing. We shouldn’t be reproducing more to keep the median age of the population down, that is totally ridiculous. It’s also quite inane/childish to want to breed more in order to outnumber some perceived-as-opposing group, be it the muslims or “the globalists”. The fear of being replaced by another race is what’s really driving many of the population-aging alarmists. Aging is preferable to dying (I’d think…?), even if it means raising the retirement age to make social security sustainable. Age numbers will mean different things in the future because physically and psychologically, younger generations are aging differently than the ones before did. David | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 03-2007 |
Here's a great 10 minute video which briefly discusses overpopulation, climate change, and surviving the future. http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/08/29/pugh.swims.world/index.html?hpt=C1 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1359 Registered: 10-2007 |
******* Best Greetings All Which Seek Truth, All Which Speak Truth, There is an opportunity for any and all to voice an opinion where it will make a great impact on the policies to mitigate the overpopulation. There are some here from whom some good logical thinking can produce a paper or thesis, not to exceed four-pages, that will be presented to the Royal Society. Consider this to be like a "contest" of sorts to write the most formidable approach to solving the problem of overpopulation. If you are up to this challenge, your submission will be appreciated by FIGU. This is the outline which is the appeal for input: ["The text below is from the Royal's Society's website at http://royalsociety.org/People-and-the-Planet/. You will see a call for input from experts, with a deadline for submissions of October 1. A related item follows this one. ["People and the planet: the role of global population in sustainable development... ["Population is a global issue which is moving back up the agenda. In the run-up to the December 2009 Copenhagen conference on climate change, a number of academics and NGOs called for a fresh look at the factors affecting and affected by changing population. Yet debates remain polarised: some people still see population as a distraction from the more urgent imperative of reducing resource consumption in the wealthiest countries. Others argue it is an issue that will solve itself, as global population size is projected to peak and then fall from the middle of the 21st century. ["The Royal Society has convened a working group of experts, chaired by Sir John Sulston FRS, to revisit some of these issues and analyse how population variables will affect and be affected by economies, environments, societies and cultures over the next forty years and beyond. ["The aims of the study are to provide policy guidance to decision makers and inform interested members of the public based on a dispassionate assessment of the best available evidence. The scope of the study will be global. It will explicitly acknowledge regional variations in population dynamics. It will look at the implications of population decreases, and increases that are observed and predicted in different parts of the world. It will consider how scientific and technological developments might alter the rate and impact of population changes and affect human well-being. ["The Royal Society has issued a call for evidence. We are seeking as wide a range of informed views as possible to assist our study, from both a national and an international audience. We welcome submissions from academics of all disciplines, policymakers, non-governmental organisations and any other interested parties to inform our study. Organisations and individuals are invited to contribute to the study by responding to the call for evidence. The deadline for submissions is 1 October 2010."] --- People and the Planet: Call for evidence http://royalsociety.org/People-and-the-Planet-Call-for-evidence/ Evidence can be submitted electronically (preferred format) to Marie Rumsby at marie.rumsby@royalsociety.org or by post to: Marie Rumsby, Science Policy Centre, The Royal Society, 6-9 Carlton House Terrace, London SW1Y 5AG. The Core Group of 49 is putting together an informed response, as also are we from the Circle For Humanity. Individual submissions are also being called for consideration, where many of us here are in many different areas on Earth see the worst results of overpopulation -- the abject poverty, the slums, the lack of honest employment leading to murder and drug industries, lack of clean water, poor education, the pollution, &c. Directions for the Human Beings on Earth to solutions come directly from Arahat Athersata:::... ["18. As one of the most important duties of the material life-domain of the earthly humanity it is to heed, that the overpopulation is contained in the strongest measure, and the number of human beings finds its state in the normal 500 million-norm. ["19. The reality grants only this number of earthly-human life forms, so this value must be set back again. ["20. Pursuing this path is not simple and not easy, because understanding and reason must prevail, in order to recognise the goal of fulfillment. ["21. The way to the goal is the following: ["22. All those who administrate the fate of the Earth, the responsible ones, they have a regulation to issue and be concerned for its success, that no family begets more than three descendants distributed over a ten year duration. ["23. No male-human life form under thirty life-years shall beget descendants, and likewise not over forty life-years. ["24. As the first recommendation it shall be valid, that in the exorbitantly overpopulated states an absolute regulation for a birth-stop for a duration of seven years is issued, through which the population-size decimates itself in natural succession. ["25. The sustainable population size for the Earth may be calculated according to the number of square kilometers of prolific land (fertile to bring forth much and continuously fruit)"] ... (With thanks to Sanjin for the translation) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Arahat_Athersata_Overpopulation This is the most important issue facing Humankind today. To offer solutions for this problem is also the solution to the Spiritual awakening of the Earth Humanity. Here follows seven questions which the Royal Society requests input and discussion: Evidence sought We [the Royal Society] invite feedback on the following questions. Please respond to as many or as few questions as you like and, where possible, supply references to (and copies of) published material to support your answers. We would also welcome illustrative examples where possible. Responses are likely to have the greatest impact if they are restricted to four pages plus appendices. 1. What scientific evidence is available to show how fertility, mortality, migration, ageing and urbanisation will affect or be affected by population levels and rates of change, at both regional and global levels, over the next forty years and beyond? 2. How fertility, mortality, migration, ageing and urbanisation are influenced by and influence environments, economies, societies and cultures? 3. What are the strengths and weaknesses of different population modelling methodologies? 4. What are the key interconnections among population change, environments, economies, societies and cultures? How do these relate to any of the examples listed in the second bullet point of the terms of reference above? 5. What are the key linkages among population, technology and consumption. 6. What are the best (or worst) examples of how policy has been effective in managing population changes? 7. What other issues should our study addresses? (Key linkage betwen overpopulation and the health of the individual, here Bangladesh would be a great example) (This last #7 submitted by Nicolas Weis from the German Forum) So, please put on your 'thinking caps.' All ideas and submissions are most welcome, even if they are only posted here in the forum. Salome ******* ~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 175 Registered: 01-2009 |
Greetings Rod, I am not in a position to come out with a paper of sort. Kindly, therefore, if you may, see the weight of the following observations from our side of the world: - to discuss about sex practices (population control even) between even the father and the mother much more among their children is a taboo. - false belief such as the number of children a couple begets is genetically influenced and therefore need not be a concern. - government population control efforts/programs leave much to be desired. - the heavy influence exerted by the Catholic religion teachings/admonition and the undue influence over the government agencies tasked that the bearing of children is God's gift, and is therefore, alright to have as many as they can. On the other hand it is said that one is under penalty or out of God's grace when they do not have the capacity. - the future means to survive is left for the next day and to "destiny" much like how the chicken rake and pick its meal from the ground daily. Jun My will be done | ||
Techieatwork Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi J_rod7 You have already pretty much summarized the recommendations that would be right to include in your essay. A few video documentaries already work on the topic so references to them cold be included also, maybe with a few pictures captured from them, respecting of course their copy rights a few of the documentaries I've watched that are of good educational quality (they are all available on youtube): - The ed of the line (about the burden on the oceans by over-fishing) - How Many People Can Live on Planet Earth? - Around the world in 90 minutes One comment: China's one child policy is well executed, but from a documentary I once watched on TV (I don't remember it's name) they were at some point killing baby girls at birth, because it was "better" to have boys.. so, in time many men cold not find a partner and resorted to un-natural practices.. Other than that, very good work in pursuing this goal. Salome Carlos -- Billy: Dann sprichst du eben in geraffter Form. Quetzal: Das will ich tun. | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 176 Registered: 01-2009 |
Greetings Rod, There may have been mention of this idea in the forum but just the same for its own worth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDeUpYoXJNY&has_verified=1 Amazon babies killed for the sake of the tribe. Jun My will be done | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1360 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Hi Jun, You are right-on about the problem of the "religious hierarchy," especially the obstinate catlicks. It is from them the same thinking from the dark ages. This is the reason for which the overpopulation must be addressed in a statement of policy. Once policy becomes law, this will supersede the religious objections. It is still an uphill battle. The indigenous people of the Amazon must do what they have to to maintain the balance in their tribes. I would not judge them on their practices. Carlos, the same with China. They have a real problem, and are attempting to deal with it however they can. It may not be the best solution, from our perspective, as we know that contraception would be a better solution. Remember though, much of their population is not well educated, and many are living on the verge of poverty and starvation without much resources. Salome *** ~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 359 Registered: 07-2008 |
Peace in Wisdom be with you, Thank you, Rod; a good opportunity, indeed! Our friend and fellow member of 'The Circle For Humanity' (CFH), Nicolas Weis has shared this challenge with the whole of the FIGU German Forum, at our thread on the issue of overpopulation there, namely 'Überbevölkerungs-Bewusstsein: Aktivismus' ('Overpopulation Awareness: Activism'): http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/de/show.cgi?5/4870 Today, i forwarded a modified version of your appeal (without references to FIGU, the Teaching...) to the overpopulation awareness groups of the 'Care2' community i am part of: - 'Child-Free-By-Choice': http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=22457&pst=1547452 - 'Human Overpopulation Control': http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=186&pst=1171678 - at the thread 'Birth Control & Overpopulation' of the group 'A Peace Think Tank': http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=3626&pst=927507 I shall shortly also invite all those fellow humans who are supporting the American petition of the CFH - 'Overpopulation Awareness & Birth Control': http://www.change.org/petitions/view/overpopulation_awareness_birth_control - , to contribute to this endeavour. Salome, Adam - www.thecircleforhumanity.net |
