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    Edward Member Post Number: 1802 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Marbar..... Excellent and interesting question! Of course they can. If you read the Meier materials you may come across examples, which is than related to Schizophrenia, which is also part of such processing being generated within the mind (Consciousness, and her variation abilities, related) of an individual, which does not per se, have to concern, the individual being possessed by one of more (Spirit) Consciousness Personalities. We have do take heed and be cautious when we hear voices, though. But, there is a - Neutral Positive - form(at) of Hearing/Listening to your own Thinking/Thoughts. Which I think everyone has experience throughout their life time. Thus, Thought, being Vibrational Wave format...would indeed be converted into a much more comprehensible form(at) of 'understanding (language)' which we call a 'voice' in our mind; and at times, it is just a - Sensing - of Perception, within our human - Extra Sensory Perception -, abilities. Edward. | ||
Nuetralperson New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2010 |
Hi I am a new member here! I cannot find a proper thread to post this, so it will be here. I have a theory for you fellow thread members. I wonder if that when billy says the difference from lies and a "swindle". I wonder if the plejarens know that humans because of the vast majority of the huge ammount of people on earth, even if they open their eyes wouldn't change anything. I wonder if because there is so many people that there can't be a change and when the plejarens tell billy to tell us that we are no longer getting prophecies/help from them, it really is a swindle, meaning that they are partially lying as a way to work around it, maybe for your benefit? I wonder maybe if we know that they arent going to help is that wakes us up more in order, of sorta boosting our awareness. Please anyone! give me feedback.  | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 150 Registered: 02-2008 |
Hello Nuetralperson, To my knowledge, the reason the Plejaren stopped with the prophecies is because they learned that they do not bear any fruit; the Earth humans do not learn from the prophecies and predictions. In my opinion the Plejaren are not lying at all. Yes this can be a bit shocking. Yes the world is very overpopulated but there is still a lot of hope and a bright future in the distance. It is each person's responsibility to "wake up" and search for the truth and to not have too many children. Welcome to the FIGU forum and salome. Reece Stiller | ||
Nuetralperson New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2010 |
[Thanks for the warm welcome. I have been interested in knowing truth for a long time since I was young just now I know what it means for truth, not just learning from other people] | ||
Getknowledge Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 04-2008 |
Humans wanting to offer evidence has been the wrong way since time immemorial; therefore, it should never be declared that now this and that are to be proven. The human must always conduct a line of reasoning in all matters within himself, specifically, through his effective perceptions and cognitions, through his thoughts and feelings as well as through his deep reflections, from which cognizances and knowledge, experience and the essence of everything, wisdom, are gained. Wanting to prove something is always wrong in every case if it concerns things that every human himself must discover and recognize through his own understanding and through his own reason, from which then his own inner line of reasoning emerges. Other evidence can only be offered in this respect if, for example, the facts are cleared up with an accident or crime, etc., which then serve as evidence. However, where it concerns pure facts of reason and understanding, for which evidence should be created, it is utterly wrong to want to strive for an open and external line of reasoning. Things of reason and understanding can be proven exclusively only from one's own reflections and conclusions, from one's own thoughts and feelings as well as from one's own inner perceptions and judgements. However, if proving something to a human is attempted in such respect, then it is the same as if he would be accused of stupidity or the one trying to prove would therewith pretend to have a greater intelligence and shrewdness compared to the human to whom something is to be proven. This stupidity of attempts of such line of reasoning is, in fact, often based on talk in which, for example, it is said: "I will now say/prove something to you, then we will surely see who is right in the end." Toward the end, "Things of reason and understanding can be proven exclusively only from one's own reflections and conclusions, from one's own thoughts and feelings as well as from one's own inner perceptions and judgements. However, if proving something to a human is attempted IN SUCH RESPECT, then it is the same as if he would be accused of stupidity or the one trying to prove would therewith pretend to have a greater intelligence and shrewdness compared to the human to whom something is to be proven." Does Billy mean; it is wrong the wrong way in trying to prove something through evidence? Or is it is the wrong way in trying to prove something through one's own reason and understanding? -------------- Tien, please provide a reference when quoting so that others may examine the same source if it is available. Re your question: Billy is saying that the best result will occur if one reaches the understanding about something using his own reasoning skills rather than being offered the 'proof'. When offered 'proof' without doing the ground work yourself, you are accepting someone else's ground work, rather than using one's own and that is believing their conclusions and reasoning rather than knowing it from your own processing. Robyn (Message edited by indi on August 01, 2010) Tien | ||
Getknowledge Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 04-2008 |
The Wrong Way http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Wrong_Way Tien | ||
Getknowledge Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 04-2008 |
Yes. I get the meaning of his article; come to the truth with your thinking. Im slow to understand what is meant by or that is being refered to here "However, if proving something to a human is attempted in such respect, then it is the same as if he would be accused of stupidity or the one trying to prove would therewith pretend to have a greater intelligence and shrewdness compared to the human to whom something is to be proven." Can someone reword this sentence in a different way within Billy's context? Maybe i need more comas. Tien | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1351 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Hi Tien, My own understanding, after reading the words of Billy in this respect, he is pointing to an attempt to prove concepts or ideas from one to another. If the 'prover' takes 'the-high-road' as a know-it-all (in other words, to say "it is so" without using the logic of the proof), then that one is effectively calling the other uninformed, ignorant, or stupid. Proof comes when the logic and wisdom is understood in common between the parties. No one gains understanding by 'browbeating.' This shared logic, once seen by both, is the true road to mutual growth and wisdom. This isn't actually a 're-wording' of the expression, as you seek, more-so my own thinking of what is meant. To see this in the positive light, I look to Billy here:::... [" Things of reason and understanding can be proven exclusively only from one's own reflections and conclusions, from one's own thoughts and feelings as well as from one's own inner perceptions and judgements." ... ["The logical form of inner line of reasoning is a joining of perceptions, cognitions, cognizances and conclusions, which can be of different kinds but nevertheless always lead to knowledge and to its essence, wisdom, which is the conclusion of things and therefore of the evidence."] Peace in Wisdom *** ~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 336 Registered: 10-2004 |
"However, if proving something to a human is attempted in such respect, then it is the same as if he would be accused of stupidity or the one trying to prove would therewith pretend to have a greater intelligence and shrewdness compared to the human to whom something is to be proven." Love is always the way | ||
Getknowledge Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 04-2008 |
Gotcha "However, if proving something to a human is attempted in such respect, then it is the same as if he (the human being proven to) would be accused of stupidity or the one trying to prove would therewith pretend to have a greater intelligence and shrewdness compared to the human to whom something is to be proven." Tien | ||
Jonas Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 03-2009 |
Hi everyone Can some one please guide me, I have a problem with Jews as a result of personal expirience of what a couple did to me and what they did to Jmmanuel, I could feel his anguish from the text of the tulmud like I was right there. Yes I think its pure hate and I can not shake it out of my mind especially after research I found that they are mostly behind some real nasty stuff concerning government and business can someone please offer advice or guidence so everytime I hear or see the word Jew this hate doesn't engulf my brow like it just did!. truth is Peace  | ||
Jonas Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 03-2009 |
Hi again Just one more thing I have to add I totally dispise these thoughts I have but I can't control them and I am further upset by the fact that not all Jews are bad and they are some of the best people I have met and they would do anything to help, and don't get me wrong regardless of my thoughts I would not harm a person, but i don't want to be part of the evil that roams the earth.I have made youtube vids exposing some tactics used just to wake people up like the defamation attacks on Mel Gibson through their owned media outlets and all the Jewish celebs and jewish news readers jumping on board to torment this guy to destroy his business and take even more control of the propaganda monster called hollywood that most ignorant people live their lives by. Me included for many years which was the basis for my ignorance due to the psychology that was used grooming me further in becoming a mindless spiritless consumer. I thank the boys up stairs for Billy but as a result I have got a long long way to go because I am still fighting my offensive behaviour and grasping the truthful way of life is a struggle for me because of my fears of the truth. Or rather the the people around me hearing the truth that has been twisted over time for people to be in trouble or danger when it is uttered. Truth is Peace | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 441 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Jonas in life there will always be many things that we don´t like (including persons). As one evolves, you realize that you win nothing by hating someone or something, it is a simple matter of logic. What you need is self control and the realization that hate will only cause you harm. Its the same as using a drug you know that it makes you bad but continue to use it because you are addicted to it, it is like a vicious circle which you have to break with your will power after you become conscious of it. Little by little, day by day think about this problem you have and you will realize that in the bottom hate is the result of ignorance and a poor consciousness. As you grow and become conscious of more and more things you have to quit hating because everyone and everything in life have its reason to exist, everyone and everything have the same right as you to exist and are equal to you, absolutely everyone and everything no matter if they are positive or negative are important and have a reason to exist. i hope this helps you salome | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 338 Registered: 10-2004 |
Seemingly every time someone mentions the outrageous ills endemic to Judaism, they always end with the caveat "but some Jews are among the best people of the world". I disagree because of several reasons: People who self-associate as 'Jews' are a diverse group of people. Some have been taught that they are Jewish by genetic ethnicity. This is incorrect. if you are curious about this, look into the history of the Khazars. Some have been taught that Judaism is a religion, although its only reference to the afterlife is that Jesus is being boiled in excrement or semen for all eternity for his crimes of challenging the Jewish aristocracy of the day, and otherwise it is a system of rather racist and bigoted laws. And then some have enough common sense to figure out that both the aforementioned definitions of 'Jew' are self-deluding frauds, but still wish to associate within the culture of Judaism. These people tend to fall into the wealthy, powerful political machinations of Zionism, which seeks to establish and create a 'homeland' for the 'Jews' by taking the semitic country of Palestine. In effect, what is Judaism but a deceptive racist deceptive hypocritical deceptive tribalism? Anyone who associates with it is either as deluded (or more so) than so many other mixed nuts on our planet, or a psychopath. These are not the best people on Earth. Were they to cease self-associating with Judaism, and join the rest of humanity, then they could be as good as anyone else. "everyone and everything in life have its reason to exist, everyone and everything have the same right as you to exist and are equal to you, absolutely everyone and everything no matter if they are positive or negative are important and have a reason to exist" So then competition among the various vibes and intentions is the only way everything relates? So then looking out for oneself, for one's own interests is the only strategy that is worth following? No, this is not true, not quite. Everything may be absolutely equal, and while the easy math shows that any number is equal to any other number, or even the whole number system, still this accounting just doesn't hold up. Some numbers are higher than others, some are lower. Hatred is easy to dismiss when you are not threatened, which is why 'the Jews' have had so much of it in their history. Love is always the way | ||
Jonas Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 03-2009 |
Memo00 and Sitkaa I am truely greatful to your responses. Memo00 thank you for you explanation which through past expirience you are 100% correct hatred attracts hatred and even more trouble that creates more hatred , which is something I learned but have forgotten it was a pleasant refresh of thought reinforcing your imput as i have heard it before from yet a different source. Sitkaa it appears you possess much more wisdom than I as my thoughts and feelings tend along your way of thinking that everything has a place in this world and various energies from creation work through you regardless of what you do to prevent it. I personally want the world to know from my research where i have attempted and got a favourable response from few and a neutral response from thousands without comment who viewed them from all over the world. I did not want to premote any hostility toward these people only to make people aware of much research where my hatred towards them grew, by not only what has happened to me personally ,for I have forgiven this long ago, but what the ignorant and uninformed people have been lead to do to themselves and to each other including myself. This is my difficulty and where the hatred stems mostly and is unbearable at times because I see it on a daily basis and cannot even put a dent in this monster. Well hatred I would think has an energy behind it forcing it out, similar to clean water flushing out a dirty pipe obviousley it is bound to make a mess untill the pure liquid continually runs through. I just hope my pipes are cleaned out from this. Any way I've done what I've done and I've searched my conscience and have found no wrong doing in alerting the population of how most of us are in a manipulated state from just one sector of humanity that many people fear,as is what I have noticed through my vids( near 4000 views and less than a hand full of comments). I do have a conscience problem with some profanity I had hurld at them through pure anger of what they are doing to the world and the people, and the hatred just seemed to settle where the anger was that made me physically make the videos, even now I don't actually remember the content only the Anger.Which in turn may cause me harm (As Billy states in chats with Pttah) especially after a week of chemtrails over my house after putting them up, I even rang the Royal Australian Air force,But hey didn't see or know of any operation in the area although this occured a day after two forces helicopters where flying around and around in this vicinity. OOPs I must be paranoid or delusional thinking this happened or maybe not ? We are being closely monitered especially Billy and his clan friends helping him out, this is a strong feeling i have and have had since I created an account with FIGU. THANK YOU I see things in a much different light now it appears to be a ballancing act and the main focus is on this mission at hand for our future generations to live in peace and harmony and enjoying not material possesions but the presence of each other with the truely breath taking Earth and all its living and non living components). like i said i have got a long way to go. Thank you for you insights truth is peace  | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 429 Registered: 06-2009 |
Moderators: Please post this one instead of the last one I submitted in this thread. Hi Jonas, If you have found this place out of your own searching and yearning to know the facts “beyond the obvious”, it is likely that you are quite logical person yourself. That being the case, I am very sure that you are in a position to help yourself, rather than we helping you to overcome these negative feelings about Jews. You are feeling anger towards Jew because: A) A Jewish couple did something bad to you. B) What the Jews did to Jmmanuel. C) Your research shows that they are behind some nasty stuff in the government Now then, ask yourself, why are you stereotyping the entire Jewish people because of misdeeds of 2 people? Ask yourself; If you have the experience that “I am further upset by the fact that not all Jews are bad and they are some of the best people I have met and they would do anything to help”, then from where comes the thought that “everytime I hear or see the word Jew this hate doesn't engulf my brow like it just did”. Do not you feel that there is contradicting duality in your thinking? It is you, who have the inherent power to change and align your thinking in a manner that you have no guilt conscious. About Jmmanuel persecution by Jews: - If there were another religion at that time and not Judaism, I bet they would have done the same. There is substantial research to show that Jmmanuel was in the temple city of Puri in India for some time where he was initially welcomed by the Hindus, but in the end, Jmmanuel had to flee from the Hindu priests who were antagonised by Jmmanuel’s teaching. In the words of Jiddhu Krishnamurthy – "We have never examined the fear; we strayed from it and we took refuge in our faiths, - the Hinduist, the Buddhist, the Christian, the Jewish, the Islamic - we then have in truth, verified that all of them just divide the human beings of planet Earth. Each group of dogmas and faiths possess a series of rituals, a series of compulsions that they tie the mind and they only separate one man from the other." It is not the person from a certain religious group that one should hate for them belonging to that group for they are evolving spirits of Creations just like you and I – only that they are in are in a State and level of evolution where they should belong to that particular group. So direct your effort and energy towards teachings of truth so that the overall consciousness of the entire people of planet earth evolves beyond that stage of thinking and deeds and no spirit form has to start from the extremely low level of consciousness that we experience at our time. Nasty stuff in the government: - The thing about Jews, for that matter any religious cult, is that they can be easily manipulated – you just have to know the right "handle". The stoked up fear of being evicted from the "Promised Land" and spoon fed notion that Jews and Arabs cannot ever live together in peace is such that warmongers can easily unite the Jews behind the cause of protecting their interest – how can you be a ruler if there is no land to rule? The concept of the "Promised land" is tied with what Genesis in the Torah teaches, and if the facts around Jmmanuel are known, where would be Judaism and where would be the "Promised Land": Hence the cover-ups. USA, being a superpower (now the sole superpower) is an important country for Jews/Israel for their survival and the military industrial complex and oil lobbies in the USA would only be glad to oblige. By having Israel at constant confrontation with its neighbours, USA is ensuring constant ringing of their cash register by selling arms and more importantly that there is no united front of the Arab countries which one day could defy its currency, possible only if there is long lasting peace in the region. How would it be possible for someone in USA to contribute for the cause of their country of choice? Beside nefarious means, the most effective way is to contribute heavily to influential Senators and Congressmen and Presidential candidate and form pressure groups, lobby groups etc; keep secrets of the facts that could potentially expose the war-crimes of the chosen country to the PEOPLE of the sole superpower. Salome. Suv | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 341 Registered: 10-2004 |
"Sitkaa it appears you possess much more wisdom than I..." Appearances are just window dressing. Please don't genuflect, even in the slightest, for I definitely don't deserve it. Thanks. Love is always the way | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 530 Registered: 10-2008 |
Jonas , somewhere a jewish woman waits for you to buy her a drink , where she will tell you about how other people's prejudices against her and her family have made her life difficult . Then you will see that for everyone , the sun rises , we raise our heads to say ...." oh , here again ". If you've never had a Jewish friend , you have really missed something .You would be surprised how many notable people are of Jewish descent . MC | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1352 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Hi Jonas, ["We Condemn All Racism ["... ... ... ["And of course it is not acceptable the accuse "the Jews" of all the bad in this world, just as one cannot accuse all Christians or all Muslims or Hindus etc. of all the bad that there is on this planet. ["Such statements are clearly the sign of poor (or lacking) intelligence of the person who is voicing such silly claims. Just as all Christians are not ONE race, the Jews are also not one race. ["Perhaps it may be of interest to the readers of this forum that ten (10) Israeli tribes had migrated to the Afghanistan and Western Pakistan region more than 2000 years ago (and since they did not get extinct, but procreated, it's up to the reader to ponder the political aspects of this issue)."] -- --Words from Christian Frehner of the Core Group 49 -- --Source:::... http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash4/frhnr01.htm ~~~~~***~~~~~***~~~~~***~~~~~***~~~~~ In the interest for your healing and Spiritual progress, there is neutral-positive way out of your dilemma. Accept your feelings as they are and recognize the source from where they come, the origins of your angst. These are your own feelings for which you must take full ownership, no one imposed these feelings into your psyche, they are your own creations. This is a necessary step for your recognition of self-responsibility. Then in realization of the laws of cause-and-effect, you must realize that to hold onto hate will bring the same back upon yourself in some form. When you are able to first think then internalize that all Human Beings are offspring of Creation Spirit, just as you are yourself, can open your awareness to this truth: that all other Humans are somewhere along their own path to Spiritual Evolution, that all Humans are worthy of Love, respect, and understanding as you are yourself... When you are able to perceive the goodness in others despite their current state of being or actions, you will find the pendulum swings from hate back towards Love, and you will find Love returns to you in turn. Seek not attachment to either hate or love, but rather choose the mid-point between the two so you do not become unbalanced. Things are what they are, people do what they do, and where you choose to interact is related to some lesson you have chosen for your own Evolution -- an opportunity for you to make a choice -- right or wrong -- for a lesson you must learn. Correct the mistakes and move on, or take the positive results and grow more from that. Wisdom in Peace = Peace in Wisdom *** ~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Jonas Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 03-2009 |
Thanks Smukhuti,Sitkaa,Markcampbell,J_rod7 Talk about the sword of truth, you guys have shattered my way of thinking about the Jews, I felt I always knew what I just read from you all but it was all covered in non truth and learned hatred through components of my research and researchers. But it fills my heart with joy knowing some are closer to the path than I am and on it like BEAM.I worry sometimes that if anything happens to the net I will be surrounded by people in total darkness, these teachings are very difficult for me to introduce and share. The only ones that listen are my children, I don't think I could live without them now, cause most people are just so empty of this spirit or have it berried under so much false teaching and learned deception they can't see the forest through the trees. Thank you guys, truely I feel the warmth in your words mixed with intellect, you guys blow my mind no one around here matches your words. I Love it !!!!! truth brings peace  | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 08-2010 |
Thanks Ramirez The knowledge that they have revealed is amazing isn't it? Would you mind, when you have the time, I would like to better understand what the following are: 1. personal storage banks. 2. the collective storage. 3. Anything else that should also be considered and understood? Oh, and thank you for your post my friend. I look forward to one day meeting Billy and having the honor to meet such a sweet spirit. I have been very impressed with what Sfath had to say. Within no time, upon reading, and more so as I further read, I find the truth being repeated as if from an old familiar loving voice. Thank you my friend; I really appreciate your taking the time to help me. Kind regards, Eddie | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 531 Registered: 06-2006 |
Eddie, there is a section in the Spiritual teaching category 'Reincarnation, Death and the storage Banks'. I suggest you take advantage of that section and the search engine to find all those other instances about the storage banks that are not in the correct section. For everyone: 'Thinking and Thoughts' is intended for discussion about the processes of thinking and the thoughts that arise out of this, that Billy has written about in his books. An example of this for discussion is that thoughts shape our psyches and our view on life and therefore our lives. Robyn | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 347 Registered: 10-2004 |
I have been following a thought line, prompted by some recent internal occurrences, which consider the loose definitions of terms used to exclaim what is. This is an explanation of three terms: 'reality', 'consensuality', and 'actuality'. 1. Reality is relative, common to perspectives that perceive it. Aristotle might see reality in terms of potential, but I see it in terms of perception - reality is what is perceived by a perspective. In other words, 'to be' is a function of reality. 2. 'Consensuality' is a sense of 'reality' that is shared in common. For instance, You and I exist, which is something we both know. 3. Actuality is what is. Actuality is unconcerned with perspective. For instance, you and i exists. The unanswerable question here is this: should 'I' not exist, does the universe keep moving like clockwork, not even noticing a void? Actuality says 'it' exists, itself-perpetuating unperturbedly until the momentum ceases. 'Actuality' lacks the spark of 'reality', but is more 'real' none the less. Actuality is harsh mistress, but it is the most real ('royal road') of the three, if you catch my meaning. What do you think? Love is always the way |
