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Rarena
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Post Number: 676
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 08:16 am: | 
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Your question in the thinking and thoughts below:
Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2011 - 07:22
I'm confused on the part of learning German. In order to learn German you have to relate English words to the German words right? How would one relate German words that have no words in English? You would eventually have to somehow try to explain it in English right? I'm not saying that German isn't better. I'm just confused that if learning the language would be much of help to actually understanding it anymore clearly, unless German was your first language. Any help on clearing this up would be awesome.
My answer to you:
For example: There is an English translation of the German word Gewalt: might, power, violence, force, power, control, coercion, grip, hold, mightiness, legislation, threat of violence, condoning violence, having power over, an act of God, brute force, crash diet, violent death, vehment love making, bullying... the fact is... the English language is very limited in some consciousness descriptive words and do not easily fit using one word. We use Latin for naming plants... it is more descriptive and less contradictory than the English language and can be very correctly descriptive using only one or two words.
When I translated Billy's work from German to English, there were so many different meanings... often the opposite meaning it made it easy to get the wrong impression from; for example... the contact notes or spiritual teaching. When you read it and know all the different meanings in one word it becomes more clear to grasp the meaning simply and continue your train of thought to learn the lesson properly. |
Markjr
Member
Post Number: 8
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 01:32 am: |
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Rarena,
Thanks for the explanation. It helped a bunch. I probably need to stop procrastinating and actually try to learn German. Maybe then I will understand it more completely if/when I learn German  . |
Rarena
Member
Post Number: 677
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 09:12 am: |
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You're welcome,
Learning German will stimulate your mind and help in many other areas of your life by reading the Meier material as it was meant to be read. |
Ardie
Member
Post Number: 83
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, June 30, 2011 - 09:49 am: |
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Hi Marcela,
I would be interested in the links to the free German Lessons over the Internet that you recommend. I have a set of disks, but they aren't compatible with my new computer for some reason. I am working on "getting the will" to get back into learning German. I have the time, I just need to do it. Thanks for your help!
Salome,
Ardie |
Davidmg
Member
Post Number: 89
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 10:07 pm: |
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> > > > Ardie; > If you need some help with the compatibility issues, I may be able to help. But, we will need to take this subject of the forum > > > >
Davidmg
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Ardie
Member
Post Number: 84
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Monday, July 04, 2011 - 12:59 pm: |
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Thanks David!
My email is ardiemcm@msn.com |
Mac
Member
Post Number: 18
Registered: 06-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - 10:22 am: |
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Learning German (any language) may be much easier if the learner avoids translating any of it into English. Just like how we learned our primary language. We didn't translate it into another language and confuse ourselves! We saw images, we pronounced the related sounds and we wrote them down. All was directly from the original. Where was the complication? The Teachings are in German, not English. Be a child! |
Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 705
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 - 12:39 am: |
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Good point ,Mac , alles klar . |
Zanderson
New member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 06-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 02:40 am: |
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That is correct Mac.
Rosetta Stone does this very well. This is what I am using now to learn Deutsch although I haven't had much time to practice lately....
Zanderson: Conscious Evolution...
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Mac
Member
Post Number: 20
Registered: 06-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2011 - 03:47 pm: |
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It's something I'll stay with Mark, I mean, picking up some kids books or something. Though Zanderson says the RS software works in that way. I didn't know that. Another challenge then with those torrent extracts. Don't ask! >: |
Blacklunar
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 06:43 pm: |
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When will the ask your questions to billy be open??? |
Teesoft
Member
Post Number: 95
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Friday, December 02, 2011 - 08:30 am: |
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It just closed few days ago it will be open again next month ending!
Salome,
Tosin |
Corey
Member
Post Number: 74
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Friday, December 02, 2011 - 08:40 am: |
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Blacklunar: It should be the end of December sometime.
Salome
Corey |
Tom
Member
Post Number: 12
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Friday, March 23, 2012 - 03:09 am: |
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Link to an online course for those looking to start learning German:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/German
The course is structured and covers pronunciation, vocabulary and translations. It also contains tests for each lesson.
Cheers,
Tom |
Zanderson
Member
Post Number: 30
Registered: 06-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - 07:51 pm: |
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Thanks Tom, much appreciated....
Zanderson: Conscious Evolution...
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Zanderson
Member
Post Number: 33
Registered: 06-2011
| | Posted on Friday, March 30, 2012 - 05:22 pm: |
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I've been thinking and this is something that we can consider.
There is a website called Duolingo that aids with learning German (and soon other languages)(http://duolingo.com/) also view Youtube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyzJ2Qq9Abs). It is in its beta testing stage but will soon be open up to the public, so you guys can follow it.
Anyways after testing out the beta model, the thought came to me that a similar approach (within legal constrains) could be taken to aid in learning the German language + the Spirit Teaching. Say for example a website could be established were FIGU members go to not only learn German but also the Spirit Teachings by employing a similar concept as taken by duolingo.
Personally at present my web-development and coding skills are average but I could get it at a desired level if I focused on it. And I'm almost sure their are others here with such skills and interest that could contribute. The thought process on how to establish this is just in its early stage. However I think this is something that we could work together on as a group.
I often read about Billy and others voicing their concerns about the high cost associated with translations and to be honest I think this could be a cost effective solution (once approached properly).
Let me know what you guys think and who would be willing to aid in such a project (voluntarily). As usual additions or subtraction of ideas are welcomed.
Peace,
Zanderson
Zanderson: Conscious Evolution...
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Mgrijalva
Member
Post Number: 19
Registered: 07-2010
| | Posted on Monday, July 02, 2012 - 11:37 am: |
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this is a great idea, i was thinking also w the use of google, we could have ongoing live video conferencing to learn german. for example, the scenario would be that on the computer screen we have the rosetta stone program playing, the persons attending would b watching this from their computer and practice german. this is an idea that may not work, but maybe it could b worked so it works. we could use duolingo simultaneously. just an idea. |
Eric
Member
Post Number: 10
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2012 - 08:52 pm: |
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Just wanted to share my experience.
After having read the FIGU material available in English and French, i quickly realize that to progress i had to seriously learn German, as i felt i was stagnating. After i few tentative by self-learning, the only way for me to definitely learn german was to attend a well structured course at the Goethe Institut of my city, a 4 h evening class every week. So then i stopped spending time on other activities and devoted my little free time on this for the last 2 years.
Learning a language involve reading, listening, talking, thinking,
read test and comprehend, start discussing. You need to use several of your senses: to ear, to read, to talk, to feel. Then you need to have oral (mundlich) and written (schriftlich) test to have an incentive to study. Eventually, the words, structure gets inside you like by osmosis, and you suddenly realize that can read and start to understand. It did not talk about getting the DATIV declination right (those who are learning know how painful it is )
IT is very hard work, but there is no other way, especially for a rich
and structured language like German. German has so many much word than English, or French, as each word a a precise meaning, you need time to acquire the vast vocabulary necessary for even simple discussion. The declination allows more possibilities to better explain a situation, the words are constructured in a logical manner, so that people have the possibility to create ideas by joining words, und so weiter.
I did all the courses A1, A2 (equivalent of 2 years) i am know attending the B1 level. It is an amazing experience, to discover another world seen though different culture. Plus acquiring the tools to eventually fully comprehend FIGU material.
Eventually, i will go to a intensive course given in Germany: there are 2 and 4 weeks intensive courses, with this, they offer visit (museum, theater, restaurants) as a language is alive, it is a culture, a way of thinking, not just a tool to communicate. Usually, this immersion creates the effect of "unlocking" like a young child, when they suddenly start to talk at the age of 2, after having heard their parent talking to them since their birth. I want to make this experience within next year when it is possible (perhaps followed with a visit to SSSC, we'll see)
Maybe i am not gifted in languages as other people, in my case, is is long and tedious path.. But it is worth it……
Thank you for taking the time to read about my experience.
Eric Drouin |
Corey
Member
Post Number: 227
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Monday, August 20, 2012 - 08:15 am: |
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Hi Eric,
I heard good things about the Goethe institute. Good for you. After studying in the A1 and A2, are you reading any FIGU books yet?
Salome
Corey
OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker.
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Eric
Member
Post Number: 11
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Monday, August 20, 2012 - 06:16 pm: |
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Hi Corey:
I did read the latest FIGU bulletin , but still stumble on several unknown words, although i am familiar now with the grammar and structure. During the summer, i stopped activities, as i usually do
With the level B1 completed this year, i should have background to undertake more serious reading. This is what the teachers initially told me, it takes about 3 years to have a minimum decent knowledge: A1, A2, B1, then we can continue B2, and then the C course to have better knowledge. IT's fun and worth it.
Another way to practice thing is to download news on Deutsche Welle (Nachrichten Landgsame Sprechen) on your iPod, then listen while drigin during in the traffic. They have also courses, and some stories.
This year i intend to do courses, listen the news and start reading material (such a Talmud Jmmanuel). I am slowly getting there.
Salome
Eric |
Mgrijalva
Member
Post Number: 33
Registered: 07-2010
| | Posted on Monday, August 20, 2012 - 07:10 pm: |
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greetings, fyi
here is a link to Youtube's rosetta stone german lesson 1 etc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCjLnWrWieo
hope it comes in handy
amor y paz,
maria |
Corey
Member
Post Number: 230
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2012 - 09:31 am: |
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Eric,
Sounds like you got it all figured out. Good luck with all of that. I just got the newest TJ, hope to read it soon. If you need a good online dictionary in the future for those few words you don't know or get stuck on, I use these two if the FIGU dictionary doesn't have it:
http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/
http://dictionary.reverso.net/german-english/
I also recommend to start with "Gesetz der Liebe" and "Die Psyche" they're very easy to read, the smaller (shorter) books I've found easier to comprehend for me. You could become familiar with some of the terms Billy resuses all the time, (Gesetze und Gebote der Shöpfung, Bewusstsein, Übel, Krieg, Schwingung, Wissen, Weisheit etc.) and start to see some noun compounding etc. Om was pretty good to read but he used a lot of verbs and some nouns I did not know it took me like 4 or 5 months to get through that one this last time but it was worth it, and I wrote down every word I looked up with canon number and definition, a homemade guide for the next time I read it (which is what took me so long). Billy's little pamphlets are always good and free (Desiderata, Hass macht den Menschen zum Unmenschen, Die Lehre Kelch der Wahrheit und allgemein Geisteslehre etc.)!
I've found the contact reports harder to read then the spirit teaching books and since they're not encoded I just read the ones at the future of mankind site anyways instead of the advanced conversational German, and stick with the spirit teaching but after your three years of learning from what it sounds like you should have little problems if you decide to read the contact reports too. I think you'll see you made the right choice when the time comes and I think after studying @ the Goethe, you'll be better, faster, and more accurate then my self taught skill. Reading your postings makes me wish there was a Goethe near me! Ich habe Eifersucht!
They say to read an hour each and every day, so when your ready be prepared to reserve the time (Stille Stunde).
Salome
Corey
OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker.
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Eric
Member
Post Number: 12
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 09:34 pm: |
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Thanks for your kind advices Corey. Yes, i noticed spirit teaching are easier to read, that' because of the code? Mmmmm It's hard to explain, but yes, it's true, they seem to flow easier in my head. Good idea to order them now (with the booklets)
A priority also would be to order Einführung in die Meditation in addition to the 2 above if it is not too hard to read, this is a personal priority to enable a better balanced life for myself.
I forgot to mention that Billy own web site is extremely valuable for a learner… Have your tried? …. He publishes new texts every 2 weeks these days.
Salome
Eric |
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