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    Justsayno Member Post Number: 381 Registered: 10-2009 |
Maybe Christian wants to stay out of it? Just because he doesn't recall doesn't mean it didn't happen, I'm sure he receives hundreds of emails. Edit by Jacob: No, I have actually asked Christian this on email, he denied this explicitly. Hi Hawaiian, I have no idea why this post was rejected, but I'll try again. It will help in figuring out why you saw that small being when you were little. If the moderators don't post it this time, I will send it to you directly: Your post wasn't denied, it was put here: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/1180.html?1307141483 also the possibility to see 'Elementarwesen' is extremely rare since it requires a very balanced psyche which only a very few on this planet have. Reader question What exactly are Elemental / witches in the 98th Contact 30.12.1977 addressed by Quetzal? In whatever form they exist on Earth, as they look, they are more human or more animals as they live and their origin are they? N.L. / Germany Reply Elemental creatures are tiny human life forms and natural beings or nature spirits are called, so in earlier times but also witches (the term witch was modified later and a little used, which it does not correspond to = see witches in religious and wahngläubigem sense = Inquisition, etc .). These natural beings that are much smaller than dwarfs exist, in a moved to our space-time dimension structure, from which she now and then change into our dimension. These beings are extremely feinstsensibel with respect to the vibration sensitivity, therefore they usually can be seen from the non-earth people, because these beings keep away from him. Nevertheless, however, it is possible for individuals to be able to watch these creatures of nature, but this is only the case if the people, respectively. prevail in his thinking and feeling and in his actions and thus also in the psyche of a relatively perfect balance and harmony. Leserfrage Was genau sind Elementarwesen/Hexen, die im 98. Kontakt vom 30.12.1977 von Quetzal angesprochen werden? In welcher Form existieren sie auf der Erde, wie sehen sie aus, sind sie eher Menschen oder eher Tiere, wie leben sie und welchen Ursprungs sind sie? N.L./Deutschland Antwort Elementarwesen sind kleine menschliche Lebensformen, die auch Naturwesen oder Naturgeister genannt werden, so zu früheren Zeiten aber auch Hexen (der Begriff Hexen wurde später abgewandelt und zu etwas gestempelt, dem er in keiner Weise entspricht = siehe Hexen in religiösem und wahngläubigem Sinn = Inquisition usw.). Diese Naturwesen, die viel kleiner als Zwerge sind, existieren in einer zu unserem Raum-Zeit-Gefüge verschobenen Dimension, aus der heraus sie hie und da in unsere Dimension hineinwechseln. Diese Wesen sind äusserst feinstsensibel in bezug auf die Schwingungsempfindlichkeit, folglich sie in der Regel vom Erdenmenschen nicht gesehen werden können, weil sich diese Wesen von ihm fernhalten. Nichtsdestoweniger jedoch besteht die Möglichkeit für einzelne Menschen, diese Naturwesen beobachten zu können, was jedoch nur dann der Fall ist, wenn im Menschen resp. in seinem Denken und Fühlen sowie in seinem Handeln und somit auch in der Psyche eine relativ vollkommene Ausgeglichenheit und Harmonie herrschen. Billy (Message edited by jacob on June 11, 2011) Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 405 Registered: 07-2009 |
Hawaiian, Perhaps I can help resolve the question about your perceived "need to lower the frequency level, etc." Maybe it was just a gentle suggestion to not post misleading information as OFTEN (frequently). and to give yourself time to better understand the difference between phenomenon, wishful thinking, projections, etc. and real, meaningful information - and human interaction - that doesn't seek to draw attention to one's "specialness", hierarchy, etc. | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 292 Registered: 01-2009 |
Salome all When I was at the SSSC last month a fellow passive member also asked about this mysterious Hawaiian person with no real name. The question was asked if he (Christian) had ever told a person with a nickname Hawaiian that his information in his post was too evolved and complex for others to understand. Christians answer was that he (Christian) has never told anyone nicknamed Hawaiian that his post was to evolved or complex and I think he (Christian) even said that he has no recollection of ever speaking to anyone named Hawaiian. Salome Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 206 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hawaiian, my friend, let me share some of my experiences. (1) Surely, you have had some pretty extraordinary experiences. So have I and many here; as well as friends of mine with their unique experiences. This is a rather interesting phenomenon many of us have experienced on this planet we have incarnated into. Initially, I had to struggle with myself because of the "realism" of certain experiences. Through the study of the teachings, contact reports and so on, I was able to come to some startling realizations and exciting cognitions which far out weigh my experiences. Here's how I see it: There is only one TRUTH in this universe that we now incarnate into. (3) Right now we have one knowledge (memory) of our experiences. Be they as real as they were to you and me. What we need to do now is seek within the teachings, the correct knowledge and understanding, an explanation perhaps, that may shed light on what the experience actually was, or better yet, how did we manifest them if we indeed materialized them. Though the truth regarding any experience may be disappointing at first, the disappointment (the human ego) is the blockade towards our cognition of something far more exciting than the realism of our experience...and even the experience itself. Some of these experiences are evidence of Consciousness abilities. We must put the teachings to the test. There can only be one spirituality in this universe. If everything concerning Billy Meier represents that one true universal spirituality, then it must provide the answers to our experiences. In order for us to unearth these truths and explanations we must be open minded to the fact that something we perceived to be real was merely the powers of the Consciousness. (4) We do ourselves a disservice if we grab hold of our experience and hold to them as if for dear life. This causes a sudden, unperceived blockade that shuts us off from being receptive and open minded towards a correct knowledge. (5) A friend of mine has experienced attacks from demons and has even seen them and physically felt them trying to take his life. Now the one Universal TRUTH (Creation) only has one spirituality which teaches that it has created no demons, devils or other entities of this type. Now, as real as his experience was, either there are or there are NOT any demons tempting or attacking this friend of mine. It took some time and efforts on my part, to convince my friend to contemplate the reality and the possibility that what he experienced was indeed the power of his Consciousness and not some demons. Keep in mind that what he felt was tangible to him. He not only saw them, they attacked him as well. Some times in dreams and some times awake. He had a strong and convinced argument because of the "realism" of his experiences. (5) Here is where we have a catch-22. The "realism" of the experience. You and I and others here possess the knowledge of our experience. If we are going to study the teachings, we should do so with the reverence and respects that Creation merits. For unlike Santa Claus, tooth fairies and the religious deities, Creation is alive and exists. Creation has given us some fascinating abilities of the Consciousness. (6) We must consider the fact that Creation may have set in place the ability of the Consciousness to materialize "miraculous" manifestations that can be perceived as tangible. If this is indeed the case, and we have experienced this, would it not be of great importance to learn what Creation has to say about this? If indeed certain experiences you, me and others have had, were due to the abilities of the Consciousness to materialize them, would it not be more fascinating to understand the truth behind these experiences? To understand and develop the ability to exercise this power at will? The way Jmmanuel walked on water and woke up the psyche of those who truly believed they were possessed with demons? Jmmanuel gave sight to the blind and from distances healed the sick. Shouldn't we be fascinated with the fact that he always stated that each of us, with the correct knowledge and wisdom will be able to do the same? You, me and many others here and around the world have experienced experiences that perhaps the majority have not experienced. That makes us privileged, but baring responsibilities. To be 'responsible ones' we need to take a different position, a humble position, a studious position in order to uncover that aspect of our experience that is meant (designed by Creation) to shed light on aspects of our Being that may far over shadow the experience itself. (7) You have been a student of the martial arts. I have done this for 20 years. I was always top of my class (all of them). I don't say this boastfully, it took tremendous efforts; the one thing that helped me achieve this was the following philosophy: "He (the teacher) may know something I don't." One more thing my friend, Jacob has been a student of the Teachings since he was in his mid teens until today. Considering his present age, in the martial arts, he would at the very least be a master guru or a pendekar in my silat systems. Do not underestimate his knowledge and understanding. His spiritform is fulfilling a great service to us which he does modestly, honestly and with a generosity based on the Law of Love. Salome friend, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Pele_ii Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 02-2011 |
Greetings from Brazil! I come in peace. Dear Hawaiian, Thank you for calling so much attention to this forum. Your name has been mentioned 27 times in the last two days! Please take advantage of all the suggestions & input from the forum members. Here in Brazil we have only 3 people that are actually conscious of Billy and the mission. So, saying that, my point is that in a country with 220 million people, only 3 humans in touch with Billy and the teaching, in a country with the largest Catholic population in this planet, can be very lonely!!! So, again, please take advantage of all the info you are receiving, and don't forget about the law of cause and effect. Salome | ||
Egerrt Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2010 |
Pele_ii, there must be more than 3. I'm sure there are people who keep silence about it. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 552 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hello Hawaiian, In my post 188 half way down the page here http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/6244.html#POST22617 you can read a little of my experience when Enlightenment came, though I prefer other terms like "Mythic Death", Satori, Samadhi, Cosmic Consciousness, Bio-genetic Transformation of the Individual, etc. Scott mentioned that this sounds like “’the inner spiritual light of the sohar [that] shines through’ in Billy's book The Psyche.” If Jacob or anyone at Figu could clarify or add to this I would appreciate it personally, and it might help in this discussion. Does, for example, that inner light of the sohar shining through result in a permanent change in consciousness too? The word Enlightenment tends to carry with it a certain implied infallibility of the mental or intellectual processes so I am not comfortable with it because even after the remarkable permanent change in consciousness that the experience brings one can still make any errors that any other human might. One's thinking can still be in error, or one can still come to conclusions that are not correct in matters of fact. There is tremendous lack of understanding here. So many assume that this new level of consciousness brings perfection or the inability to make errors when actually there is no perfection (other than relative) or inability to make errors for any human being in existence in the universe. I often tell people, “The only person who never made a mistake is the person who never made anything.” Sitting in a temple all day without interaction with others one may appear not to make any errors (though there may well be some in the mind and privately) but this is only because such people do not make or do anything others can observe objectively. Billy has said that there is no such thing as enlightenment. Yet he has also said that Buddha was a true prophet, and we know the teaching of enlightenment or nirvana was a central tenet of Buddha’s message and his experience of it as he sat under the Bodhi tree has come down to us in mythological text. I haven’t asked Billy for further elucidation on his statement and don’t feel the need to, after all Zen Masters have long said there is no such thing as enlightenment. I am guessing Billy means it in this sense and also as aforementioned that perfect enlightenment in which a person no longer commits errors is just not so; and as Billy implies or says elsewhere no one is omniscient (Billy actually says he isn't); and the experience does not confer omniscience as many erroneously believe. I do believe that science will qualify and quantify this experience in the not too distant future cataloging certain bio-genetic changes that result from it. BTW Hawaiian, it is not a universal that anyone experiencing “Enlightenment” (call it what you will) will be able to read someone else’s subconscious. The experience is different for each and every individual experiencing it, and the only real universal that can be said is that it is a permanent change in consciousness. How one describes, defines and explains that will depend upon the individual. There will be overlaps where some will see or understand what the experienced one is talking about, but there will never be anybody who understands and appreciates in every detail exactly what s/he experienced. In this sense, yes, it is a lonely journey, or as they say in Thai Buddhism, “Fare lonely as rhinoceros” if you seek nirvana or enlightenment. Also you would probably be best knowing your own subconscious first before delving into other people's subconscious. What does it really benefit you or others for you to wander around their subconscious. Traverse and know your own first. This is where we really learn. The true master, if there be any master, is the one who knows and masters himself, rather than others. And remember it is said the inner realm is as vast as the outer one, as vast as the universe itself. Thus the mastership in development never ends, just as no scientist will ever know everything. As one charts one’s course and travels through life one creates one’s own map. No two maps are the same; and this goes for the inner realms too. It has been said, and it is true, that the mind is the great creator. Billy has pointed out that a stigmatic even creates the very physical phenomena of bleeding wounds that can even have a scent. This is an example where the mind effects and creates, or changes, physical matter. I have had many remarkable and unusual experiences that seemed absolutely real and I often now wonder what the true nature of these experiences was. One has to remember that the mind doesn’t care how factually accurate one’s thoughts or ideas are it may manifest anything that one consciously or subconsciously demands of it, thinks, feels, or allows. The mind can do virtually anything and is ultimately at the command of the individual. So it is merely prudent to consider the possibility that any phenomena one experiences, especially when not at all common, may be a product of the mind, from whatever cause. Hawaiian, there will be people who accept that you have had the experience you say and there will always be people who will not and be in disbelief; it was even so for the Buddha. Originally he wasn’t about to tell anybody because he thought no one would listen or agree with him. So if your experience was genuine – and only you can really know whether it was or not and no matter how much you insist or others refute it doesn’t change the status of its actuality or otherwise -- remember that others are just responding naturally as people do. I think that many people who experience this have probably experienced it in previous lives and this could mean that the CCB may be giving impulses with respect to this experience that will be received according to the receptivity of the individual. I welcome input from Figu members on this matter. Whether the following is so or not is for you alone to decide, Hawaiian, but perhaps the transparent being you encountered as a toddler was a very real product of your mind, just as stigmata are real and physical, and it was symbolizing the no-thingness of the teacher/Enlightenment that you could or would experience in this lifetime; so real, and yet ungraspable; something so marvelous and not of the usual physical world, yet no-thing. Visions are like dreams in the realm of the mind making this symbolism seem very appropriate. What better to convey your possible future destiny when as a toddler you would be incapable of comprehending difficult verbose philosophical concepts related to enlightenment? In my opinion visions and dreams sometimes relate to impulses from the CCB bringing a similar if not the same “message” a number of times throughout the life, yet perhaps too with differing imagery or manifestations. After the energies have coursed like a torrent up through the body and into the brain things, especially one’s thoughts at the time, can appear absolutely unique and immensely significant. In the past, it seems to me, that many have latched on to this and gone off and created cults or religions based on their “new findings and truth” when actually the uniqueness and significance applies to everything in existence – or everything in Creation. It is just that the subject’s focus is drawn to the thoughts at the time of their “Enlightenment” (if they are actually thinking about anything at the time) so these become accented unfortunately unless there is a determined attempt to remain objective and factual immediately upon having the experience. Because of the remarkable nature of the experience many just get carried away with it. IMO the focus should be on the science of what it is that actually happens; and all we can absolutely say about it at the moment is that it is a wonderful permanent change in consciousness. This is not noticeable when one is deeply focusing on some subject or topic, however. It is usually when one relaxes or rests the mind or tries to find the self that one really notices it. It is like a constant companion as a permanent witness to the oneness of everything in Creation and a personal proof that one is ultimately more than the body and mind. It also tends to enhance one’s previous capabilities rather than bringing any new abilities, though a few seem to experience the latter. It also seems to enhance the senses, making perceptions more “direct” (one “becomes” in a sense or identifies with the thing or person observed), the sense of touch becomes more tactile and sensitive. One relates to the world differently; in my case I had to re-touch things to again acquaint myself with the way things feel in this “new world” because it is a little different from before; after the transformation I felt my hands could actually pass through the wall because one’s frequency appears to have changed so much (another need of scientific validation) and so naturally one tests this by touching the wall and seeing ones hand not passing through but noticing the slightly different nature of the experience of touching etc etc. The Buddha did this when he touched the earth “bringing it forth as a witness of his experience” which is one way of putting it. Moderators, I am sorry this post is so long, but I am very busy and may not be able to reply and discuss much here. Thus I think it best to have as much together in one post to make as much sense of it as possible in one go. I welcome input from Jacob or any other Figu members on anything in this post as Figu or preferably Billy’s clarification on this subject is likely to be of benefit to many others, not just Hawaiian. Chris Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either. | ||
Jokoveltman Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 11-2009 |
Pele, I am not (yet) a naturalised Brazilian, and I don't currently live there, but I do have a home there. Se quiser, entre em contato: jokoveltman[arroba]gmail[ponto]com Tim | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 644 Registered: 01-2004 |
Eddieamartin, Thanks for the nice words, I understand the underlaying meaning, but its too much honor for me. When we look around on the web we see great work from other FIGU passive members and their groups who do great things for the non-German speaking people. Just to name a few: Michael Horn Dyson Devine Vivienne Legg The circle of humanity James Moore Benjamin Stevens Jim Dilettoso Gary Kinder James W. Deardorff Michael Hesemann ...and many many others, also passive FIGU members, FIGU study groups worldwide and friends who study the Sprit teaching who at least pass on their changed thinking, knowledge and wisdom to their kids and grandkids, etc. All those mentioned people and all I forgot to mention in this post leave a legacy for generations to come, the freedom of choice, to break free from the bonds of cult-religion and mammon (materialism) We are NOT here to convert people, we are NOT here to force our way of thinking on others, we are here to inform so people have a choice so they can think independently and change their lives accordingly. We all do what we do best and all work is equally important, regardless if its about the work against overpopulation, ufology, information about the Spirit teaching, all are part of the same whole. All of us, are a part of the mission and together we form the first wave of the silent revolution of truth. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 384 Registered: 10-2009 |
Hi Jacob, who is more balanced in psyche that a child? Before society has a chance to warp them. So you may in fact be wrong that only very few people have seen the little people. Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 645 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hi, Justsayno, In principle, very small kids and babies are very balanced indeed, that is absolutely true. However if you read the experience of Hawaiian thoroughly, you would have read that his mother was very close while the apparent little humanoid/entity/Elementarwesen was there. His mother, like nearly any other adult on this planet, is not perfectly balanced in thinking and feeling, would have with certainty affected the little humanoid/entity/Elementarwesen with her vibrations. Also, according to Eduard, these humanoids can shift dimensions, there is no word that they can make themselves selectively invisible or translucent, at least not to my knowledge. I am not devaluing the experience, it is very unlikely it was a confrontation with an 'Elementarwesen' because of the given circumstances and the very close proximity of an adult. The aura/vibrations/fluidalfields (not including thoughts and feelings which can reach 3 lightseconds) emitted by human being can reach up to 270ft. (Message edited by jacob on June 12, 2011) Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 385 Registered: 10-2009 |
Hi Jacob, thank you for that. So if the Elementarwesen are shifting in and out of our dimension would they not be making themselves selectively disappear whenever they feel like it? And you are saying there is no way a child can see one if they aren't 270 ft. away from their parents and other humans? Sorry but I just need to confirm this. Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 647 Registered: 01-2004 |
I am only saying that in the aforementioned case its very unlikely due to the close proximity of the parent. Based on the information I have about those beings, I think they stay away a great distance from an adult human, in most cases little children are very often close to their parents. However I dont know more about Elemtarwesen, I am telling you what I know about the human aura/radiation, etc and what I know about its range. No need to say sorry, its good that you are thinking about this. Maybe you should ask more about this to Eduard, when people can submit questions, could provide some information for us all. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 207 Registered: 08-2010 |
Jacob (#647) Would you expand a bit on this "aura/radiation" and its range? (1)Is this aura/radiation a natural aspect of our Being? (2)How would this be of assistance or impairment within our everyday lives? Salome and thank you for taking the time my friend. Eddie = = = = = = = [Out of curiosity] Interesting how it actually affects the Elemtarwesen beings. (?) They possess spiritforms as ours? Thnx. [7:-) | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 386 Registered: 10-2009 |
Hi Eddie, I can answer your second question as my friend's son has been able to see auras since birth. He thought everyone had this ability. The aura seems to be a snapshot in time of what a person is thinking or feeling or how well their health is. Initially it was useful for him as he didn't have to guess what a persons intentions were. But now he's a teenager and had to quit public school because he could see all the negativity by passing kids in the hallway, and it was just too much for him. He is now being home schooled and is trying hard not to be able to see auras anymore. Too much information. Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 648 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hi Eddie, I will answer the question about the Aura soon. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 863 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Sheila, I think what some of us are concerned about here is the unfounded information of a skeptical nature that can appear on our delicate forum. I'm sure your hidden(unnamed) friend, Mr. Hawaiian, feels he's warranted to tell his story, especially here at a place where we discuss such unwieldy stories. But his knowledge has not been clearly vetted, as it should be. Mr. Hawaiian is getting many responses from some of the most influential members we have here. He's hitting gold. But, and this is really important, he has not created a meaningful foundation for his knowledge/experiences to be warmly considered by us of the newer Meier thinkers. We honor this forum with all our best efforts and I, myself, like to think my most important offering I can give here is to put peoples feet to the fire. In other words, keep them honest. Mr, Hawaiian is bucking heads and feeling attacked. What kind of 'all knowing greatness' is that showing to the rest of us. Sure, we would like to believe Mr. Hawaiian, but we're over all that believing stuff, right? We need to know who this man is, where he gets his information, why is he so anti-helpful information, why does he not get the fact we are here to help, not hurt. Know this, or not, we are here to help. Let Mr. Hawaiian open up to the friends he can discover here, or allow him to go his merry way and let's keep our eye on the ball. And that's to keep the truth flowing here and not allow cloudy unsubstantiated claims take the conversation away from Billy's hard earned work(billions of years) to be challenged by someone we can't even know on a personal level. I've now met Billy(trip to FIGU Switzerland) and have so much more clarity on what our mission involves that I can't allow your friend to go unchallenged. Mr. Hawaiian is not upsetting the apple cart, he's trying to make another one out of dubious materials and claiming superiority over our many friends here. Really!? Really? Thanks for hearing me out as I think you have a lot to offer us here without the assistance of Mr. Hawaiian a friend in america Shawn | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 208 Registered: 08-2010 |
Jacob, thnx, really looking forward to your response on such a fascinating subject. Justsayno, thanks for your response. Interesting you mention knowing a child who can see auras. I too know of a kid that can tell how someone is feeling because of the color of their aura. I haven't met this child yet, but plan to meet him one day. From what I'm told, he is a sweet kid with a beautiful heart. The only thing about him is that he's autistic. I've wondered if this has anything to do with him seeing auras. Thnx for sharing your experience too. Salome, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 598 Registered: 06-2006 |
You can find a really good discussion about the Aura in quite a good depth, in Wissenwertes #10 available from the Figu shop. There is also quite a lot of info on the aura in the archives of this forum Robyn Rules & Netiquette http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi?pg=instructions#rules | ||
Hawaiian Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 05-2011 |
Well, I guess my presence here has stirred up quite a bit of emotional responses and my sincere apologies to those that may have gotten “burned” in the process. I do admit that on a few occasions I tend to come down hard on others and if its of any consolation, sometimes in the ether state (dreams) the characters avoid my presence too, as most do not like to be interrogated and analyzed thoroughly. Just last night’s dream; there was some discussion amongst a group of people about the environmental impact of moving an undersea oil pipeline next to the ocean shore. The waves were breaking along some rocks and freeze framed for about 3 seconds; I didn’t say anything but the guy next to me turned and mentioned, “did you see that too”? I choose not to question him further and he just smiled with a smirk on his face? I’ve seen that face before, but cannot yet lock it down where or what? So yes I was told to “tone down” the level a bit, Christian told me to make my enquire more simple to understand, so I now know who spilled the beans! The posts are primary to get a response and have others to apply their analytical skills by utilizing their knowledge of BEAM’s materials, as it sounds bizarre and the reasons why I decided to come back on FIGU, to get the opinions of others. I see a variety of different angles being “portrayed” which are useful; there are some, which I will not respond to from now on, if I decide to continue that is. Now, to put that Hawaiian name to rest, I use and will continue to use that name because it is most appropriate for the topics being discussed and like the Peace Meditation, it also serves to adequately address many wrongs done to this race of people, who if one really analyzes their culture will discover they routinely practiced many of the concepts Billy speaks about, although they use different terminology, the concepts are similar. However like in all societies on Earth both past and present, there unfortunately exist the negative factors as well and the second reason I also use Barbarian216 (for those who wish to make amends) Besides, my true name is to honor my grandfather’s presence and was NOT given to me at birth, so it DOES NOT belong to me. It was given 4 days after birth, because my biological father believed my birth to be illegitimate. My grandmother invervened and gave me that name, it is a long story which I will not go into because of personal reasons which you understand, right? Besides, like Billy it toughens you up to with stand the attacks that come from those who abuse the truth. I hope that settles that big question, besides I don’t need that attention, it should be focused on other more important things. Now, I would like to express my appreciation to those who shed some light on the Elementarwesen beings that sound very similar to the Hawaiian myth of the menehunes. And that also these menehune were shy people that avoided adults, but not the very young children, maybe they are similar? Therefore we now have another source of reference to clarify that myths can actually be a fact of life, thanks. The other pending posting will have to go through Billy for his approval since it touches on some issues that require clarification at his level. There are other things I wanted to discuss, but have to keep it short to abide by the posting requirements. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 655 Registered: 01-2004 |
I think you have totally lost touch of reality. You have not given a tiny bit of proof of your 'knowledge' and 'wisdom' and play the psychological play of surrounding yourself with a shroud of mystery. You don't fool me, and I will challenge you on all fronts up and including verifying your claims with the CG49 and if possible Eduard. A lot of members have been understanding, trying to accept you on the forum, but it all falls on deaf ears, I realize that when I am writing this. I think your claims are actually motivated out of a minority complex in order to feel bigger and better then you are. This my opinion as a person, and this is how I see it. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 209 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hawaiian, Have you had the opportunity to study the Goblet of Truth in depth yet? Salome, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 656 Registered: 01-2004 |
Dear forum members, I think I reacted in the incorrect way about the post of forum member Hawaiian, as a forum moderator it is part of my task to stay neutral as much as possible and I think I took it personal. I apologize for my inability to stay neutral in this case. After some quite contemplation I have come to the following thoughts: - The claims stated by the person with the pseudonym ‘Hawaiian’ about his apparent knowledge and wisdom of the spirit teaching are after repeated requests by several forum members unconfirmed, it has been provided on a ‘belief only basis’ which not in line with the spirit teaching itself, since the spirit teaching basic rule is to know by logical reasoning and not blind acceptance of statements. - There has been a claim that aforementioned person was told by Christian Frehner, a long time member of the CG of 49 to ‘tone down’ his posts so other people could understand it, CF has explicitly denied that, which is a very obvious contradiction. - In one of ‘Hawaiian’ posts he claims to be in his mid thirties, yet in his submitted age he is in account he is well in his 50s, a typo? Its possible. A contradiction for sure. - The person ‘Hawaiian’ has written about allegedly consciousness-related and spiritual topics which have very obvious inconsistencies with the FIGU material which can be verified by any person who reads German, it can also be found in some translated texts on this forum in English that ‘Hawaiian’ has stated several things about emotions and intuition which are incorrect. This with his claimed level of development should be next to impossible to make a mistake in these matters. It is logical if you state something that you provide the logical pathways for others to prove your statements independently and without any manipulation. The person ‘Hawaiian’ has not provided such information as of yet and he keeps silent when certain information is provided, which create the appearance that the person ‘Hawaiian’ cant counter or confirm the information. It is my conclusion that the person ‘Hawaiian’ has not provided any real input on this forum as of yet for others to use as a stepping-stone or an incentive to learn. I think it would be wise to redirect attention to forum members who are currently providing logical input to the forum. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! |
