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Borthwey
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Post Number: 225
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 02:31 pm: | 
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Hi Rusty
Cultured meat is already being done, it only hasn't been taken into mass production yet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat |
Slo_an_painful
Member
Post Number: 6
Registered: 02-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 05:18 pm: |
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As the ancestors did at the start of humanity, they killed, cleaned or just ate whatever they got. The game is what kept them in the game and allowed for the growth of humanity. If early humans didn't eat meat we probally would not be here today. That being said, it is only natural for us to eat meat. It seems almost illogical not to.
Eating what you kill gives you a real perspective on the food source...Right and wrong are just words...
Jay
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Sauroman11
Member
Post Number: 11
Registered: 12-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2011 - 04:05 am: |
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Can somebody explain me how do plejarians make this "artificial" meat? How much time it taked to develop such technology? What resources it uses? |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 533
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2011 - 02:40 pm: |
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Sauroman11 - you may be interested in this article
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/30/us-food-meat-laboratory-feature-idUSTRE70T1WZ20110130 |
Sauroman11
Member
Post Number: 12
Registered: 12-2010
| | Posted on Monday, March 14, 2011 - 06:32 am: |
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Very little is known still about in vitro meat: is it safe, how much it will cost, what resources will be used. Still I think meat is not necessary for survival.
Many people are vegetarians/vegans voluntary or because of poverty and somehow live.
I don't understand. If many people, including plejarians do not like killing animals, why they have to do it or why they have grow meat? Human body can just adapt to survive without meat. Otherwise civilizations at certain point would die out.
Who said that plant food doesn't contain enough protein?! Soy contains even 53% protein. Peanuts, beans, seeds, wheat, rice, corn and many other foods contain equal amount of protein to meat.
So forget your false beliefs. Better listen to your intuition |
Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 607
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 14, 2011 - 07:26 am: |
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Sauroman,
What you say is simply not true, the Inuit live primarily on a meat based diet (not exclusively).
Soy is according to the Plejarens even harmful for the so-called white human race on this planet.
Grown meat in vitro is perfectly safe provided its matrix is healthy too.
Also vegans are people who have a positive degeneration concerning food, clothing, etc which is based on false assumptions.
Some people are vegatarians because their body cant handle meat properly, but the bulk of humanity can and will eat meat. As some people like the Inuit have to in order to survive.
(Message edited by jacob on March 15, 2011)
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2111
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Monday, March 14, 2011 - 08:07 am: |
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Sauroman11,
How do you know the human being doesn't need meat?
It would seem if the Plejarens have gone to the trouble of learning to "grow" meat there must be a reason for it. It would be illogical otherwise. |
Hector
Member
Post Number: 644
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 14, 2011 - 08:08 am: |
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Hi Sauroman if a person eats only fast food (pizza, hamburgers, hot dogs and coca cola) during 5 decades, he will not die, that is 100% sure. But that does not mean such dietary habits are healthy. Same applies to pure-meat diets and pure vegetable diets. On the long run, on the long term, they are not healthy because they are not balanced. You can think whatever you want to think, but pure meat or pure vegan diets are not balanced and therefore they do never suit the needs of our bodies.
It is written in your DNA (and in mine too), that you (and I) are omnivores (creatures that eat everything from meat to fish, vegetables or even insects.
Look at the shape and size of your stomach. Look at the size and shape of your intestine. Have they something to do with a cow's stomach or intestine? No. And that's because Homo Sapiens has left behind 10 million years of natural evolution behind. Those 10 million years of natural evolution as an omnivore creature have left a very clear print (mark) in your (my) DNA. And such DNA heritage cannot be reversed at will.
Hey, take a closer look at your teeth. żDo you figure out why you (and I, too) possess two pair of canine tooth (those characteristic of vampires)? Yes, you and I (as well as any other human being on earth) have grown two pairs of canine tooth because you need them now and we have been needing them the last 10 million years. If we did not need them, then our teeth would look like very different. But they don't.
This is pure cause and effect. Your human body includes those characteristics because it has been an omnivore for the last 10 million years. Even if you and your descendants do never eat meat in the next 2000 years, the canine tooth and the characteristic omnivore digestive system will be still present in your Dna.
Now you can say. Well my body is 100% omnivore (This aspect cannot be discussed) but my consciousness wants to be 100% vegetarian because of moral and ethical reasons. No problem. Your body will adapt itself to the new situation. Our human bodies are a little wonder in this aspect. But, it will not work correctly. It's like trying to run a diesel car with sunflower oil. That car will operate decently with sunflower oil, but maintenance costs will be much higher and it will be much prone to all kind of failures and breakdowns.
I repeat once again: You and I cannot obviate/pretend to circumvent or nullify 10 million years of evolution and natural selection. We just simply can't. |
Sauroman11
Member
Post Number: 13
Registered: 12-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 03:10 am: |
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Scott, I explained why human doesn't need meat. So please read previous comments, I do not want to repeat. Someone in this forum even mentioned that his wife was vegetarian from birth and is healthy.
Now Hector, explain me why gorillas have also huge canines if they are herbivores?
About "but my consciousness wants to be 100% vegetarian because of moral and ethical reasons."
In reality my vegetarianism has nothing to with religion. It is compassion, love - my spirit is resisting, because it knows that something is bad.
Spirit collects only logical information. Intuition is always right, while belief and theories rarely.
Our body can process both types of food. But if you feel that killing animals is bad, you better should stop doing that and exclude meat. |
Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 608
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 03:47 am: |
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Sauroman,
Yes the human being needs meat or at least animalgrade protein, even Bonobo's, which is a primate, which shares 98% of its DNA with the Earth human is an omnivore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Diet
If a person is able to use plantbased food to obtain all the nourishment he/she needs then there is nothing against that, but the fact remains that the human being is omnivore and eats both plants and meat.
To use the Inuit again as an example, they kill whales for consumption, however they use nearly every part of a whale, either for food, etc almost nothing goes to waste.
Even when the killing of an animal like a whale in this regard is a negative act, its balanced out by the positive factor that the Inuit people can live and use every part of it, this is how nature intended it. This is natural barbarism, which is completely natural and in accordance with the natural creative laws and recommendations.
If whaling happens because of profit and killing many more of those beautiful animals then is needed for consumption, yes, in this case its senseless, useless murder of animals.
The Earth human is at a point where he can leave the use of natural barbarism aside (to an extend) and use other means to obtain meat.
If cult-religion did not hinder stemcell research and genetic research then the widespread use of in-vitro grown meat would have been normal as eating an orange.
In-vitro grown meat does not require the killing of any animal, yet has all benefits of meat (usually much higher yield of energy/protein then plant based food).
In regards to your claims about "my spirit is resisting, because it knows that something is bad." you are wrong, the spirit does not resist or think or is consciously aware of things like our material consciousness.
The spirit accumulates logical impulses and will remain to do so for many billion of years, this will only change when the level of Arahat Athersata is reached.
It's your personality/material consciousness who resists and acts on assumptions.
Your reality is not the reality of many many others and it does not change the fact that the human being, terrestial or extra-terrestial eats meat, at least what can be said for the Earth humans and Plejarens, which share a common ancestor.
I think this discussion has gone on long enough because there is no development.
Let's agree that we disagree.
This discussion is over now.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Haosheng789
New member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 08:12 am: |
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confusion....
Semjase once has mentioned their race is monogamous;
but Ptaff has a couple wives.....
is this a translation error? |
Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 611
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 09:17 am: |
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Yes, it seems like a translation error.
The Plejarens live in a society which supports polygamy (a husband with two or more wives), however this is not mandatory, so there are also marriages between just one man and one woman. The reverse (one woman and several men is not a natural occurrence)
Here on Earth we are not capable to have polygamous marriages since our ideas about polygamy (at least in the Western society/culture) are wrong.
Earth human males would use polygamy as a sexual advantage/excuse and abuse this, while polygamy is NOT primarily meant for that.
It will take several thousands of years before the development of the Earth human is high enough to understand this truly and that the unbalanced impulses in the storage-banks (caused by believing cult-relgions, false upbringing, etc) will be neutralized to such an extend that issues like jealousy, abuse, etc) will not appear.
This is valid even when in about 800 years the bulk of the Earth population will be open to the Spirit teaching, it will take a long time after that for understanding to gain a firm foothold in the Earth human personality.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 346
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 07:53 am: |
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Currently polygamy is only being used to drive the viagra industry.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Matthew
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 03:21 am: |
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On Polygamy on Erra...
When I was at the SSSC I spoke to Vivienne (Dyson's partner) about this issue. I said that in a post-feminist age (at least within rich Christian nations in any case) it may not sit very well with us that the Plejaren condone polygamy and then still further that it is reserved for the males. She answered by saying that she had read some original books by Billy (in German - cannot remember title/not sure if it was mentioned) stating that in certain circumstances Erran Women can have multiple partners. She told me - and I'm paraphrasing here - that the issue with polygamy is to do with the fact that in nature you only need one male to fertilise many females but a female can only really bear children once every few years (if they are to maintain the best health conditions for themselves and their babies). I also understand that the issue of whether polygamy is good or bad depends on whether honesty and trust has been maintained with all partners when one partner feels sexual love for another person. If a man or woman has sexual relations outside of a steady relationship, and the main partner does not know this consciously, then the act could do harm the spouse, which is not loving-creational.
In my experience, here on planet Earth there are cultural differences when it comes to extra-marital/partner relations. Many Africans generally have different views on polygamy than white Westerners. Many African men & women believe that 'a bit on the side' is OK if the main partner does not find out. African men form close bonds with other male friends in their mutual pursuit of extra marital relations with women. It may be the same with African women also but I have not had the privilege to experience that first hand. Only with very rich muslim African men is it generally acceptable for that man to have many wives and for people in the community to know about this. In England, many people have extra marital relations but generally that will be a secret kept between that man and that woman adding to the intensity of those unfaithful relationships until the secret cannot be kept any more with often disastrous results. African men temper this by sharing their secrets amongst their male peers.
In my view, I do intuitively pick up when something bad is done to me by someone I know and love. I feel it on the periphery of my consciousness as something that feels negative and I've even got mad or upset about it, only knowing the reason later when I find out the truth of what that close one has done. I'm also of the belief that in today's overpopulated world polygamy is about as appropriate as a 5-star restaurant on a Nazi death camp. I also think that if you truly love someone you wouldn't want to risk hurting them if can avoid it. I think Urda Humans are all too often jealous and envious and so polygamy is not advisable until we no longer follow stupid ideologies. People just can't handle polygamy yet and it may be hundreds of years before we can. Until we have curbed our jealousy and barbarism we would be doing well just to maintain one good relationship which is nigh on impossible for the majority in any case. The only thing that frustrates me is that despite my view many women seem more attracted to men already in relationships than single men. May I be so bold as to state that this could be indicative of the frightful times we live in.
Salome,
Matthew |
Matt
Member
Post Number: 166
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 07:46 pm: |
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Hi Matthew,
Good to hear from you again.
I have the feeling/viewpoint that a lot of African men feel that its Ok to rape women too. A bit barbaric wouldn't you say! (I guess that might relate to Aficans being at lowest level of spirit evolution on the planet.)
Was that a co-incedence Vivienne and yourself being at SSSC at the same time? I ask this because I thought Dyson and yourself weren't on good terms. |
Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 550
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 04:46 am: |
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There is widespread misrule throughout the African continent, and its natural resource is widely exploited by rest of the world. The resultant poverty and illiteracy means there is less chance of consciousness development in most areas of the African continent and society. Probably most of the young spirit forms are incarnating there, but IMO, tendency to commit crime is more appropriately linked with consciousness development than spiritual evolution. Asian, European, or any other people would commit the same crime in similar situation.
Saalome.
Suv
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Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 19
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 01:47 pm: |
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Matt,
I'm confused.....Aficans or do you mean Africans being at the lowest level of spirit evolution???? Explain that statement??? |
Indi
Moderator
Post Number: 582
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 10:46 pm: |
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Matt,
It is a mistake to presume things, as you have done with the identity of one of our new members with the name Matthew.
Your comment at the end of post #166 cannot be considered appropriate, even if it was directed at whom you thought it was!
Please be more careful in future.
Robyn |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 2033
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 11:54 pm: |
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Hi Matt...
Yes, I would agree with what is said about your comment!
Let us not lump it all on one pile, eh?
Lets not forget our western statistics....when all, add up?
Edward. |
Matt
Member
Post Number: 167
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 08:57 pm: |
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sorry for presuming things/not being more careful. |
Slo_an_painful
Member
Post Number: 7
Registered: 02-2011
| | Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 06:15 pm: |
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I have a question posed to anyone that can answer it. I noticed a statement that the Plejaren "grow" meat...They grow it like a vegetable plant or they mass produce and farm animals (farm the meat)? I guess the term "grow" threw me off a little bit. Can someone explain please and thank you.
Jay
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Memo00
Member
Post Number: 472
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 08:50 am: |
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Hello Jay
They produce the meat artificially as with cell cultures. It has already been done in our planet in small scale. It would be very beneficial for our environment and health if it would be done at a bigger scale. (Farm animals produce a huge percentage of all air, water and soil pollution, transmit diseases, destroy native plant and animals among other things).
Salome |
Slo_an_painful
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 02-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 04:07 pm: |
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Wow that's pretty impressive if we have made it to that point. I haven't heard anything about this before so its pretty interesting to me. It seems it could be a more humane way of mass producing meat products, rather than having to kill live animals and butcher them (which I am not against either way). Wouldn't this also be pretty expensive even for the Plejaren? I understand that they really have no need for currency because of how their economy functions, but wouldn't this still have to have some sort of expendable budget of some kind to "fund" these kind of projects? I would guess it costs a lot here to fund it. Same must apply to them.
Jay
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