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Ramirez
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Post Number: 629
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 - 04:00 pm: | 
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Hi Sarah,
That does appear to be an excessive measure though I think it's meant to be reserved for characters like that German guy who kept his daughter locked up in a cellar for many years.
However why bother with castration in such circumstances if the offender is segregated and placed into a secure enviroment among other same gender persons.
So I agree with you ..... either they messed up the wording or it's meant to be the way it appears and if so can only be interpreted as a form of torture and mutilation ..... very similar to circumcision .... IMO.
I believe the same result is obtainable through chemical means ..... sterilization.
So when the talk starts revolving around castration people might get to thinking .... what else are this group advocating ?
Might need a rethink on that part of the overpopulation control measures proposal.
Cheers.
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 410
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2011 - 08:01 am: |
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Hi Sarah, concerning controlling sex drives, years ago salt peter was put into food by the military to put a damper on sexuality. But am not sure if it has been perfected into something else.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Sarah
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Post Number: 31
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Friday, November 11, 2011 - 11:42 pm: |
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I just hope we actually get a handle on it soon. I'm tired of being born in the wrong body, metaphorically lifetime after lifetime.
I mean why can I do, other than sign?} |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 414
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2011 - 11:13 am: |
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Maybe Sarah, you were born into the body you are in to learn a lesson? I'm not saying you are being punished, only that maybe there is a lesson that needed to be learned in this lifetime? Just speculating here, but maybe you hated homosexuals in a previous life and came back as one? (Please do not read any negative overtones in this - I have friends who are gay and I love them dearly)
Every life has lessons to learn and maybe this is yours?
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Marbar
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Post Number: 192
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2011 - 12:32 pm: |
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Married couple expecting their 20th child:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/the-duggars-expecting-20th-child-a-blessing-from-god/2011/11/08/gIQARRr50M_blog.html
http://moms.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/07/8684372-20-kids-and-counting-michelle-duggar-announces-shes-pregnant-again
When I learned about that, that really made me upset. When Michelle Duggar was pregnant with her 19th child, her life was in danger and the child was borned earlier. Now, her current pregnancy have many people concerned.
This is truly one of the best examples or probably the best one of the cause of overpopulation. This shows me that the governments of the world should tell how many children people should have.
I hope this post would start a good discussion. By the way, if anyone know how to contact Stephan Moore, please send him these articles. |
Sarah
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Post Number: 34
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2011 - 01:54 pm: |
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Shouldnt they of at least used birth control pills, or other methods.O_o Weird. |
Sarah
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Post Number: 35
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2011 - 11:56 am: |
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It wouldnt surprise me. Oh, so it does actually work that way. Thanks for answering a question I forgot to ask.:D Not I'm serious, I actually had that question in my head. Of coarse I don't hate homosexuals and transgendered people now. Well,...I don't hate anyone.
But I still think we need to get a handle on the number issue, didnt they say it reached 7,000,000,000? |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 416
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2011 - 08:37 am: |
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No Sarah, it's not as simple as that. There may have been environmental or genetic factors that attributed to who you are today? But the fact remains that your spirit form had strong vibrations towards your family. I'm sure they were parents that helped you through your teenage years? To be able to experience everything as both male & female? Wow to be both male & female would definitely be a lifetime of experiences that very few people get a chance to live...
Have you ever considered yourself lucky?
The biggest problem with overpopulation is the fact that couples don't want people telling them how many kids they can have. Can anyone not see the indignation in people's eyes who are hell bent on having children and told they shouldn't have any more or any at all?
Whether it's the local treaty indian who just had his 9th child (they get money for that) and half his current children have birth defects. I told him he should make an appointment to get a vasectomy, a 20 minute visit to the doctor and you don't have to be put under. But that kind of talk just made him horny (his words). Or the catholic family who had 6 children and can't figure out why she needs back surgery. All surgery is free and the gov't does pay them more for all those kids. As far as the Duggars go, they are in it for the money now, just like all the others. The media is pimping it for all its worth. How else will they raise those 20 kids over the next 18 or so years?
Funny that I used to be against making women infertile by vaccination, but am all for it now.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Sarah
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Post Number: 37
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2011 - 09:32 am: |
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Well like we were having a conversation in the car today, about overpopulation, and the current couple having, I think their 20th kid?
My mom (Even though I'm an pretty much an only child, except two half sisters.), mentioned she would be fine with something like 8 kids, where each sibling took care of another.
But quite frankly, I think two kids might be enough. One kid per parent. The oldest takes care of the youngest.
To answer your question, yes lucky in many ways. |
Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 45
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2011 - 11:23 am: |
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Just a thought. Whatever happened to the word adoption in the above scenario? Without adoption many of us would have been out of the picture so to speak. That is for those who cannot have children but want to most certainly should have the choice without all of the political rigmarole involved!
"Creation doesn't give us what we want! We give creation what it ultimately needs! And anyone who never has made a mistake in his whole entire life has never ever tried to do anything new."
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Corey
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Post Number: 58
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2011 - 04:32 pm: |
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I'm all for sterilizations too. Our overpopulation problem is getting so out of control it is ridiculous. Too make it worse all of the "experts" say that our population numbers will peak to 9 billion in the year 2050 and then start declining which is false. Seeing as we are according the the Plejaren bio-gram count already at 8 billion and it only took a few years to go from 7 billion to 8 billion we will reach the 9 billion mark somewhere around 2013 according to my estimation. Even if you lowball it and go with UN numbers it only took 4.5 years to go from 6 billion to 7 billion so why are all the experts saying we won't reach 9 billion until 2050? 2 billion people will take over 39 years are you kidding me? Can't they see it will only take is 9 years ( the last 4.5 years doubled for 2 billion) so 2020 according to UN numbers which do not take into account the larger the population the faster the procreation numbers so the total goes up even faster. These "experts" need to wake up and smell the coffee. And the masses...? It's like Billy said in the Q & A "the masses are stupid"... I'm all for sterilizations I will even volunteer to be the first one.
Here in the west all you have to do is go into any Wal-mart or any other public place and all you see is young people pushing strollers with several young children. Even before they have their life figured out and good jobs to provide for their offspring they keep pushing them out like it's the latest fad it makes my head swirl. I take my evolution seriously and I know it's going to take 800 years before the masses do but eventually we are going to have to reach a tipping point here and hopefully that is not a complete oxygen collapse like on Akart. As of right now no one is doing anything about it hopefully that changes in the future at the rate we are procreating something will have to give and governments will have to get involved. The implications of overpopulation are frightening we're talking wars over resources in the future and running out of food and water and arable land due to desertification a complete downgrade of quality of life for our planets population. Future incarnations are going to be tough for awhile that's for sure and the longer we go as a planet before something is done means the longer we will live in complete misery in the future...
Salome
Corey |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 572
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2011 - 12:54 am: |
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hey corey,
why would you want to sterilize yourself, you seem like an inteligent person?
i agree with billy, the masses are stupid. in america many believe it's their god given rigt to kill, make many babies as they wish and force their beliefs and ways on foreign countries by assuming the role of world police. thankfully there is at times, a reaping of what is sown, by that i mean huge earth quakes and tsunami's.
not that i wish any to an unatural death, but if a huge populace knows only how to rape the earth and mate like rabbits, then a good hard dose of tough love via nature is a hard truth, but a necessary push into common sense.
overpopulation, as i have witnessed in the big cities, seems to create fertile grounds for hate, racism and exploitation, expecially of children and women. |
Sarah
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Post Number: 40
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2011 - 06:40 am: |
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Honestly I think we need to nip both overpopulation and racism in the bud. And it needs to pass regardless of whether everyone agrees with it. Thats means if only 51 % agree with it, its going through. If only 50 % agree with it, edit it, then revote. This needs to get done. |
Zanderson
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 06-2011
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2011 - 08:19 am: |
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@Sarah, remember this is a universe of causality (cause and effect / action and reaction). Now with that said, with such great intension's what happens if thing don't go according to plan? How do you think persons would "react" (the 49% for e.g.) to be forced to do something against their will. I know you may say the decision was democratically arrived at (the people voted!) but take a look at that form of democracy in society and tell me that's the best solution.
It may not be the fastest way but by doing what Billy does (educating persons on the effects of overpopulation) is more effective in the grand scheme of things. I for one would rather someone appeal to me with reason rather than dictate anything to me with the notion that "it is law" (regardless of how noble their intension maybe)....
P.S. I know where you're coming from though, cause beside my understanding of the situation, I sometimes find myself thinking similarly. I know, its kinda ironic... lol
Zanderson: Conscious Evolution...
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Corey
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Post Number: 59
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2011 - 08:36 am: |
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Dear Peter,
I would volunteer sterilize myself (be sterilized) to set an example for a planetary sterilization program because we need a program like this. But if not I can control my sexual urges to the point that I will not have any more children then the one 13 year old I already have.
Salome
Corey |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 417
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2011 - 09:23 am: |
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Sarah, the problem with what your mom is saying about the each child looking after his sibling. That happened to my grandmother and after raising siblings she didn't really want any children because she was tired of raising kids. It's not fair to a child to put that burden on him/her. Kids should be allowed to be kids.
Hi Bronzedesk, yes adoption should be a factor in all decisions. My hubby was also adopted and is really against abortion. We have a lot of good debates...
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Sarah
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Post Number: 42
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2011 - 09:32 am: |
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I figured educating about overpopulation went without saying. Of coarse I'm far that.:D I over reacted a bit.^_- |
Corey
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Post Number: 60
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2011 - 08:58 am: |
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We as a planet would have to be careful to sterilize volunteers and criminals only and then let the rest of the populace be enforced with "regular" birth control until they qualified for the recommended 7 year birth rate checks as recommended by Billy and FIGU (not sterlize everyone). Which may sound extreme but if you logically think about it for awhile you can logically see the free for all we have now is extreme the other is an act of reason. This should be on TV everyday- things about our planets future, what a powerful tool TV could be but instead we have sports, politics, war movies, sitcoms and other things that keep the masses stupid about the future and keep people's Psyches and conciousnesses (Bewusstseins) in a negative state.
Salome
Corey |
Sarah
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Post Number: 44
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2011 - 01:57 pm: |
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I'm actually kind of volunteering myself. If I want kids later, I can just adopt.
I think a lot of it is, many people that grow up without parents, the parents simply don't realize they may not have time for them.
Thats a large part of my reason. |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 573
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2011 - 11:38 pm: |
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hey corey,
a guy once told me
"get of the cross, the villagers need the wood".
i think one can set an example by ones actions, like for example, your good level of self control.
there's something nutty about sterlizing yourself when it is not necessary.
i hope i am not being offensive |
Joe
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Post Number: 172
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2011 - 11:31 pm: |
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7 billion and counting: Should the world adopt a 'one-child' policy? ---> http://news.yahoo.com/countdown-7-billion-world-adopt-one-child-policy-125405754.html
A one-child policy isn't enough to combat overpopulation. Look at China where they supposedly have a one-child policy. Did their population really decrease? No, I don't think so. Don't get me wrong, having a one-child policy might be more beneficial in some countries where overpopulation isn't as evident as it is in China and India but a temporary halt to all births would probably be the best choice since the world's population would go down in less time. |
Sarah
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Post Number: 51
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Friday, November 25, 2011 - 03:06 pm: |
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Castration is still overdoing it though. Prison time for having more then one or two children should be more than enough.
But then that raises the ethical question about the child having a family to live with. Sure a child can live in an orphanage, but you know some orphanages work in the world.
Perhaps a healthy medium would be prison time, and then sending the child to an actual family, instead of say an orphanage.
I'm just throwing out ideas, I don't have all the answers so who knows how it could work. |
Jokoveltman
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Post Number: 75
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Friday, November 25, 2011 - 11:50 pm: |
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Sarah,
Prison time would be bad for the child, the parent, AND society, as in addition to the effectively childless parent you mention, prisons are pretty terrible places (and even the irresponsible deserve better), and turn the parents into dependants on society which is bad for both sides.
Vasectomies are cheap, effective, and prevent all of the above problems in one go.
Salome,
Timothy |
