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Ramirez
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Post Number: 641
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Monday, December 05, 2011 - 04:15 am: | 
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Thanks Randy,
It's 306 where a brief mention is made concerning visiting the grave. CR 306 Ptaah 77 .... and mysterious as to why Billy would want to visit such a place.
Those one liners appearing here and there can sometimes be pieced together and allow for an interpretation by "reading between the lines"
As far as I know there have been 11 incarnations since JC but am not aware of specific details.
Cheers.
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Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 50
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Monday, December 05, 2011 - 06:10 am: |
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Interesting concept to be red is dead and to be Galileo though dead is a sign of a fresh beginning of an opening up of both old and new routes never before traveled! Big Telephone Bill though wouldn't you say?
"Creation doesn't give us what we want! We give creation what it ultimately needs! And anyone who never has made a mistake in his whole entire life has never ever tried to do anything new."
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Rarena
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Post Number: 739
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 11:43 am: |
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_117
Christian Frehner made an English translation of the above in 2007, which reads as follows:
It has been said in the prophetic sentence of the herald Henoch: He in his mission as prophet will be (live) again in repeated lives in multiple reincarnations as most important herald of the teachings of the spirit, as they are given in the laws of creation, and brought and announced to the Earth human on Terra by the guardian angels from the stars of Lyra and Vega. The herald Henoch says: I am the herald of truth, and in this mission I will be (live) again in important times by the names:
Elia, Jesaia, Jeremia, Jmmanuel, Muhammed, Billy,
(and) so I will serve the human beings as a prophet among seven times, before the change for the compliance with the laws and commandments of creation will take place in their thinking (convictions). So I will be (live) in reincarnation in the new time when space will be conquered, and when the guardian angels from foreign stars will appear once again. My reincarnation in that time will be as Billy and with the name Eduard Meier, and I will dwell in a land of peace in the North, which will be called Schweiz (Switzerland). The human being then may listen to my voice, so he may be led into the light of the teaching of the spirit. |
Sanjin
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Post Number: 176
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Friday, December 09, 2011 - 08:20 pm: |
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I like how you can actually decrypt what many of the letters are by using the names of the prophets. What language is this supposed to be?
Love makes the world go round.
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Sonik_01
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Post Number: 265
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 12:59 am: |
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Incredible! Wow. |
Scott
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Post Number: 2229
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 07:56 am: |
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Here is an excerpt from that contact which Randy cited:
Billy:
It is, indeed, known to me, as Sfath and Asket have striven to teach me this language. This concerns the old Lyran language, which is extremely similar to our German language in very many values, so, for example, in the sentence structure and in many other things, like, for example, in sentence progression. |
Joe
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Post Number: 177
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 12:40 pm: |
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Why would they use the term 'guardian angels' instead of extra terrestrials? |
Mqhassan
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Post Number: 119
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 09:17 am: |
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The two dots above each other ( : ) looks like the modern symbol we use daily in our computer keyboards at the end of the first paragraph before the six names.
Has there been any carbon dating on that piece of paper found with the Lyrian language and how can this be spread to the world as a true Henok writing ? It could be a history changing document that really needs greater publicity
Salome
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 319
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 04:50 pm: |
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Hello Joe,
My cousin is a Catholic priest. He explained to me that the original meaning and use of the word angel was in reference to someone who brings good news or report; like a messenger. It had nothing to do with divine beings. Because angels of god seemed to bring good news or warnings that helped, they were referred to as angels.
Hope this helps.
Salome,
Eddie
[7:-)
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Sarah
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Post Number: 79
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 04:40 pm: |
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Joe. It seems to me, that it would be because even before christianity, people tend to have a need to compare it to something they know. Like Fludegeon said, its like compared it to a bird, when you see an airplane. People in that era (The people on Earth) didnt have any technology they could really compare it to.
Where am I going with this? Well like a friend said, people in that era knew gods. And then during the Christian, it would make since they were compare Ets, to what they already knew then, which were angels.
Could be wrong, please correct me if I'm wrong. But thats sort of my interpretation. |
Mahigitam
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Post Number: 476
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Monday, December 12, 2011 - 07:20 am: |
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@Mqhassan
Billy received just a photograph of a piece of paper which was allegedly photographed from a private museum and sent to Billy anonymously. Even Plejaren's investigation failed to find out the owner of the private museum.
Beware the fallacies into which undisciplined thinkers most easily fall--they are the real distorting prisms of human nature - Francis Bacon
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Rarena
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Post Number: 743
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2011 - 06:58 am: |
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Dear Mahigitam,
That may be true, it is my understanding the scrap of paper (above) was found by Asket and Billy underground near the Gizeh pyramid. If you can point me to the area of the contact notes that say otherwise please do...
Salome |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 486
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2011 - 06:03 pm: |
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I don't know the exact place but I seem to recall that the paper with the text belonged to some anonymous person in England. |
Kaiserphoenix
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2011 - 09:32 pm: |
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I also read somewhere that there was a message left behiind for billy, but I misplaced this as well. There is so much evidence to prove billy is the real deal it is almost staggering! In the contact notes it was mentioned of another being by the name of "Asthar Seran" and his followers who once tried to contact mankind here on earth. Below is a link I found months ago that can further prove what was in the contact notes about Ashtar (A.K.A Aruseak) and his people further proving that billy's contacts are authentic and without a doubt real.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMT4IlYTo7E&feature=related |
Mahigitam
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Post Number: 479
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 02:03 am: |
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Hi Rarena, that paper which BIlly & Asket found is different from the parchment we are discussing here according to CF. Here are the statements made by CF & Hans Lanzendorfer.
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CF:
"In the "Photoverzeichnis" we find the following explanation regarding photo #1059 = the parchment:
"A Mr. Jim Crowley from England secretly photographed an ancient document (that is in possession) of a noble private collector, and he sent Billy photos and negatives and asked him, whether he, Billy, or the Pleiadeans/Plejarans could decipher the letters. According to his information the noble Englishman purchased the partially burnt document -- together with other specimens -- in Egypt decades ago. Billy immediately recognized the Old-Lyrian script which he still was able to master rather well, and therefore could translatument into German with Ptaah's help. According to Ptaah the original document is more than 8.000 years old.
Btw: At the 117th contact of November 29, 1978 (Semjase Block 8, in German), Billy showed the photos to Ptaah who then analysed one of it."
"Harald Proch was one of our group members in the seventies.
The document (the original) is still in England. We don't know the owner of it. The document went from Egypt to England, stop.
My version is the one that comes from the original contact reports (plus the Photoverzeichnis).
Of course I would also be very interested to talk to this collctor and look at the original document. Who knows, perhaps he has even more of such specimens. "
"Regarding the "parchment": Yesterday I spoke with Billy about this "parchment matter", and that's what he told me:
The facts about the "forum parchment" is as follows: Billy received a letter by a certain Jim Crowley that contained a letter and the negatives. The letter and envelope did not show any address!
Billy then gave the negatives to the ex-Core Group member Harald Proch so he could make some photos from the negatives. Harald Proch's profession is that of a photographer. (It seems that this incident is the reason for Hans' version of the story.)
Billy did never see the original document!!! And he doesn't have information about the owner of the parchment except that which he was told in the letter (regarding the Egyptian black market etc.).
Salome,
Christian
PS: Regarding Norm's comment (in red color): It is true that Billy had a "parchment" in his possession that he had shown to Wendelle Stevens. This he did under the condition that Wendelle would not tell anybody about it (which he, Wendelle, did in the meantime, obviously).
There really was an Englishman involved, but Billy did never reveal his name (in order to protect him), nor did he tell anybody except Wendelle about this incident.
It is important to note that this peace of paper or parchment, which (btw) Quetzal has taken into his possession many years ago, is not identical with the parchment that we are discussing here in the FIGU forum!"
Hans Lanzendorfer:
"Billy Meier also received a very interesting photo negative from Harald Proch of Munich at the end of 1977 which Harald Proch had received in his business from an unkown person. Later Billy Meier was informed in a letter that the negative contained the photograph of an ancient fragment of a written document that an Englishman had purchased for his 'black' collection on the Egyptian black market."
"Based upon his knowledge of the old language reproduced thereon, Billy Meier was able to translate the written text, which contained extremely interesting information that pointed to the prophet's incarnation lineage from Enoch to the New Age. Additionally, the Pleiadeans, astounded at its mere existence, thoroughly examined this written text. They validated its age to be nearly 8,500 years.
The fragment's text also states among other things:
"I am the herald of truth, and in this mission I will be once again amongst important times by the names of:
Elijah - Isaiah - Jeremiah - Jmmanuel - Mohammed - Billy, so I shall serve the people as prophet seven times until their way of thinking changes to that of heeding Creation's laws and directives."}}
Source:
http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi?pg=next&topic=13&page=2625
Beware the fallacies into which undisciplined thinkers most easily fall--they are the real distorting prisms of human nature - Francis Bacon
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Mahigitam
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Post Number: 480
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 02:15 am: |
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_117
"So it seems that Wendelle was, in fact, shown an actual parchment by Billy, who told him how he had come across it in Egypt during his travels with Asket. However, the parchment found in Egypt was not identical with the photographed document that Wendelle then put on page 15 of Message from the Pleiades, Volume 4. Thus, Wendelle evidently confused two stories with one another when creating Message from the Pleiades, Volume 4 many years after he had already collected all the data."
The Parchment which Asket & Billy found in Egypt is different from the other one which Billy received from England. The earlier parchment photo is not available till now, as far as i know.
Beware the fallacies into which undisciplined thinkers most easily fall--they are the real distorting prisms of human nature - Francis Bacon
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Andres82
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Post Number: 48
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2011 - 04:32 pm: |
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I just want to put that age old "Lyrian" document into context..
But before I do, is there a sitation or quote from the Plejarens that confirm that this paper is real?
Thanks
P.s Moderators, can you please remove my question to billy on the "QuestionsAnswered by billy" section. Thanks again.
Lyrian Spirit
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Andres82
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Post Number: 49
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Friday, December 16, 2011 - 04:42 am: |
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Just a Quick Round of Questions and Hypotheses
- Thanks for that Mahigitam!
QUOTE: - CONTACT REPORT 117
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PTAAH:
111. Yes, look here, the prints are genuine and show a photographed material that is 8,000 years old.
112. It concerns a paper-like material that has all the properties of paper but is far more stable and was used by the old descendants of the Lyrans who ultimately came to Earth
113. This means that the man with whom you've spoken must, therefore, actually be in possession of 8,000-year-old original documents
115. That is a great pity, so we can probably hardly find him, although it would be very valuable to have some of these original documents because we ourselves also don't possess such kinds of documents.
116. Especially the contents of this document photographed here are very valuable; we also weren't aware that such exists.
Referring to 115: Why is it that the Plejarens cannot go back in time and collect documents like this written in the Lyrian Language?
Here is the colour photo:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/File:8000-Year-Old_Lyran_Document.jpg
My Criticisms of the paper
1. The paper is very well burnt on the sides – just enough so that the text can still be read.
- Could the paper have been dropped into a fire and hurriedly salvaged? Possibly. However the fragment would not look this perfect on the sides. Could the paper have been rolled up which produced the neat burn marks and pattern of repeating black in the middle? – Unlikely. If so the burn waves on the top of the paper should be consistent with the bottom waves – they are not.
2. The Text inside is very perfect as it speaks of Billy. It would seem very, very rare to find something like this containing that specific kind of information. More common would be literature or old legends e.g. the history concerning the Destroyer Comet.
My initial thought before reading Contact report 117 was that the paper could have been forged by somebody who had an original document and then sold on the black market to make a great deal of money. – However, this statement is ruled out by Ptaah’s analysis of the photograph.
Concidering that this is genuine - Why are the burn marks so perfect enabling the text to be read? and Why is the text so perfect?
Was it just luck that "Jim Crowley" snapped the photo that contained text about Eduard and Henoch?
Considering that this is an age old document and if it had fallen into a fire would it not look very different?
The Owner who bought this paper knows more.
- Surely, the owner was able to decipher the text and other parchments if there were any.
The text is too perfect.
I really don't have a clue - we don't know what was written in the letter by "Jim Crowley"
It makes the appearence of this Lyrian Paper very suspicious on the part of "a certain Jim Crowley" and the history behind it.
Lyrian Spirit
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Rarena
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Post Number: 746
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, December 16, 2011 - 12:12 pm: |
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Dear Andres82,
I agree the paper looks perfectly burnt... something a hoaxer would not do... Could this fragment have been saved because a book laid right on its top of it snuffing out the oxygen required to burn it in the shape of a book resting on top? It might have been the Cheops pyramid, I wrote Gizeh previously by mistake. I read those explanations about 2004 or 2005 so my memory is fuzzy.
It is my understanding the paper was under a whole stack of ashes and paper (like a book) and Asket's craft was able to scan via whatever means they use for scanning, searching, computing (far beyond our technology obviously) then find it and when they went into the pitch black chamber... Billy went in with Asket (if memory serves) Asket knew before entering the chamber... right where to look and wanted to prove to Billy the authenticty of the document by clearing away the ashes and producing it before his eyes. I think it was translated by the Plejaren or Timer craft Asket was piloting... It was just prior to the time journey when they went to meet Jmmanuel in about February of 1953 (again if memory serves... sometime after Billy's birthday say Feb 9-14, 1953)From Asket's Explanations... The photo of which you are discussing was taken some twenty years after the discovery under or in the pyramid.
That is the general memory I have.
Salome |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 714
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Friday, December 16, 2011 - 10:09 pm: |
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Hey Randy ;
Probably best to find the contact sometime , there is a discrepancy between them finding the document , and it coming from the British owned document that was photographed . |
Rarena
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Post Number: 747
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2011 - 02:41 pm: |
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Thank you Mark, good advice... it is indeed time consuming and I am busy right now... my first guess would be Contact 230 around line 34 (it is my understanding not yet translated to English). At least they can do their own homework with more precision. Here is a small list I compiled from notes I have with a search for Pyramids... so if someone is in a hurry here is a list to start searching... please let us know what you find... thanks. Searching this discussion forum for Asket and pyramid might be another idea.
At this moment I am concerned about translating world events I find more presssing, like Gorbatschow speaking in Munich about WW3 etc...
Here are a few of my compiled notes on this subject & search so far, those asking the questions: can search for themselves as I do not need written proof and presently have little time searching for things I've searched for before:
Start with Asket's explanations...
Plejaren Contact books in German:
Contact Book 1 Contact 31 Page 433 Sentence 579 Giant Saucer under pyramid.
Contact Book 1 Page 432 Sentence 579 Number of folks used to build the pyramids.
Contact Book 6 Contact 230 Page 2 Sentence 34: Billy==>Jesus==>Jesaja==>Jeremia==>Elia==>Henoch==>Henok==>Nokod
Asket's Explanations Page 305 Billy and Asket fly to Gizeh 8/30/1964.
Contact Book 1, Pg 314 Sentence 157 Asket explains building of the pyramids.
Contact Book 6, Contact 230 Pg 882 Sentence 34
Billy==>Jesus==>Jesaja==>Jeremia==>Elia==>Henoch==>Henok==>Nokod
Contact Book 7 Page 423 Building of pyramids before 73340 J.v.AI from constellation Orion
Contact Book 8 Page 381 Contact 319 Building of the Pyramids...
This should be enough for someone to find this information.
Because that scrap of paper is owned by someone does not mean it was not found by Asket and Billy as recorded... So I searched for Pyramids. |
Mahigitam
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Post Number: 486
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - 07:51 pm: |
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CR 241, February 3, 1992
Ptaah:..Nostradamus had already prophesied about you when stating that you would be derided at the time when the Great earthquake was looming in California and The Wall in the German Democratic Republic was coming down..
Check this out:
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-nostradamus-predictions-2011-3#coming-soon-another-big-earthquake-14
http://www.squidoo.com/NostradamusProphecies
But i couldnot find the part where Nostradamus predicted about a person(Billy) who gets derided. Can someone point that out for me ?
Beware the fallacies into which undisciplined thinkers most easily fall--they are the real distorting prisms of human nature - Francis Bacon
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Earthling
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Post Number: 609
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2011 - 07:20 am: |
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Mahigitam, interesting .. thx 4 sharing
you do great work .. keep it up
Salome,
Bruce |
