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Jacob
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Post Number: 818
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2012 - 03:31 pm: | 
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Sarah,
It would not be like a devil's island, its an island from which escape will be nearly impossible, however the people would get the basic tools to grow their own crops, make clothes and eat food, all the things needed for evolution, but nothing more, no luxury whatsoever.
Also those islands for banishment would be divided by gender, only strictly male or strictly female so no procreation can take place.
Its a truly humane form of punishment, they would not be confined to a very little space or robbed of their lives by means of death penalty, such an island would become their world for either an limited amount of time or for their remaining lives.
Plenty of time to think and learn.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Jacob
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Post Number: 819
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2012 - 03:35 pm: |
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The laws and recommendations of the Creation provide all the laws, recommendations and regulations the human needs for his life in the material and spiritual.
It will be so when the Earth human starts to live according to the natural creative laws and recommendations that a lot of his current laws will be nullified, since they have no bearing on logic whatsoever.
Even democracy is not the last step of social development in human society, a society based on the (principle of oneness) is a higher development and inline with the Creation.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Edward
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Post Number: 2329
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2012 - 02:19 am: |
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Hi Sarah....
I mentioned here, in the past, that a certain Asian Country contained
prisoners in a very shielded containment environment, i.e.: large piece of
land with high fencing around it. They could have visitors in the weekend,
wife and children and Monday, they could go home. So, they live like a
complete family in the weekend. And, Monday to Friday, the prisoners just do
their work, whatever it may be; in the field, making furniture, clothes, etc.
They received quite healthy and good food. Wear good quality clothing, shoes,
etc. They came nothing short.
The government, was so pleased with this type of containment that they wanted
to promote it further in their country. From studies, they noticed that such
individuals whom were imprisoned in such containment, practically never came
back! Which is of course, Positive. Their HUMAN Qualities did not suffer, as
it would if they were contained in a prison with inmates as we know it, with
much aggression, etc. Through, their Freedom of Movement within the
containment and their family visitations, they could still connect to their
TRUE Human Values, etc.
Thus: Speaking of Spiritual Growth/Evolution....? The above mentioned would
indeed give the prisoner the possibility to still, work on his/her Spiritual
Growth/Evolution, I would think. As long, as their Human Values and ways are
restored, as mentioned. And, when they get out: they are a Better Human
Being....
Edward. |
Jacob
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Post Number: 820
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2012 - 04:17 am: |
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What is mentioned in Edward's post defeats the purpose of banishment as a punishment, there would be very little to no real consciousness-related development because there is simply no adequate consequence for the wrongdoings of those criminals.
The material consciousness/personality of the criminal must be made aware about his/her wrongdoing, so that they can think and learn about their wrongdoing, provided that their material consciousness is not damaged or hindered in anyway by an (mental) illness.
If an offender is given the luxury of family visits, even have trips to stay home for while, on a weekend leave they would not really learn at all.
Especially on Earth, where many humans are still materialistic, only a banishment as punishment, stripped from all luxuries would be effective.
It has been stated in the OM and Goblet of Truth and several mentions in the contact notes that banishment, either temporary for several years or lifelong should be based on the following:
- No luxury whatsoever, only the basic tools to live, so they have to work for their living.
- No contact with family, friends for the duration of the banishment
- The banishment would be strictly gender based.
- They would get access to the spirit teaching however
In case of temporary banishment the punishment would be in such a way that the offender would be rehabilitated and reintegrated into society.
http://ca.figu.org/Punishment_Must_Be.html
(Message edited by jacob on January 15, 2012)
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Matthew
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2012 - 04:13 am: |
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Moderators please post this message instead as I hit the send key by mistake.
On containment...
I work in a forensic secure unit with people diagnosed with personality disorder. The organisation I work for set out with socially inclusive values so that patients would be placed in a unit more like a modern community centre than a prison institute and be empowered to make some choices about the service. After working there for two years I now have a working understanding of the ideas from Billy relating to imprisonment and have to say that whilst on the surface humanistic values are promoted for marketing purposes, the service is really intended to make as much money as possible whilst trying to avoid the violence and negativity that comes from stark institutions that are punitive in focus. I know myself and have seen the effects that working with negatively focussed and criminally-minded people has on good people who work side by side with them and who do not think in the same ways. The staff are either too complacent and underestimate the damage these guys can do to the psyche or too hard and unfair in their dealings. Interestingly, the best people to administrate the affairs of the patients are the patients themselves as they often know what is good for others but are unwilling to make any personal sacrifices themselves. This is where Billy's recommendations for incarceration are a necessary imposition over the idea that people should be just left to cause and effect to self-change. The good-intentioned workers including myself are left burnt out and eventually display parallel behaviours. The service I work for I believe is all about money and finding new ways to profit from the misery and criminal behaviour of others and I am at my wits end.
In my working at the unit I feel I have helped as I have often felt a tangible energy flow through me at times that pervades the place so that peace is restored and negativity vanquished. This is not from my conscious self but from my creational self and it is a tangible energy but after two years I realise that I am fighting a losing battle.
I have on many occasions argued the case for the humanitarian exclusion of offenders as described by Billy and the response I have had from experts in the field is based upon the behaviours displayed in current systems, i.e., that if people were given basic tools that they would fight over those tools and make the weaker prisoners work for them. However, I am convinced that if such a place as proposed by Billy existed that the idea of oneness and co-operation would be realised practically as essential to survival. Many prisons and secure units are being increasingly delivered by private companies which is a worrying trend. Whilst on paper they promote human values they are making small fortunes from taxpayers and often the patients/inmates are also in receipt of welfare benefits which accumulate so that the only viable lesson they learn is that they can profit from their criminal behaviour. I do not believe that in any real terms that they turn their values to a more positive direction. The idea that an injection of positive interaction from non-offending people is like believing that putting good apples into a barrel of bad will make the bad apples good.
There is something fragile in the nature of a positive society that is blind to the risks posed by the criminally minded so that peace must be protected through vigilance so that positive creational-promoting societies can prosper. I realise that through my work that it is a delusion of the so-called liberal-minded that positive societies can reintegrate the very worse offenders simply by locking people away and punishing them. This merely exacerbates the negative beliefs that many criminals have towards society that caused the offences in the first place. I doubt that I will see a system as described by Billy in my lifetime or many lifetimes to come but know that these recommendations make practical sense. I just have to decide what direction I'm going and draw strength from my creational self to change it although I risk losing my job.
Matthew |
Jacob
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Post Number: 821
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2012 - 05:00 am: |
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In the following (German versions) of the OM and Goblet of Truth more can be read about the topic of banishment as punishment.
OM:
Canon 22
Verse 16-23
Goblet of Truth / Kelch der Wahrheit:
Page 22 verse: 233
Page 70 verse 214-215
Page 78: verse: 25
Page 90: verse: 122
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 351
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2012 - 09:08 am: |
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Hello Thomas,
You have a beautiful spirituality and with which you could bring much to so many in perhaps on an individual basis...planting a seed here, planting a seed there. I've learned in the Goblet of Truth that we should not allow ourselves to be harmed for the sake of any aspect of the teachings, mission, etc. I understand this to mean that you should avoid any actions or words that would potentially cost you your job. If in 800 years the "true human being" will rise on the planet, that means that with a couple of reincarnations, we are there bringing this into effect. I can't help but feel that many of these experiences are just that, experiences we should somehow learn from as they may serve as impulses in later incarnations.
A friend of mine, who has learned of the teachings, works at an institution with young adults and minors. Many have strong issues (they can get violent suddenly, etc). He did the meditating and projecting the idea or state of feeling peaceful and he says he noticed subtle changes in them. He says that when dealing with them, he feels and projects a state of peace or peacefulness and he says that at this point, you can literally see the calming effects. Something you may want to try or look into.
In our discussion, we also figured that it would be more effective for him to use words and deeds to plant ideas or impressions in the minds of the staff and patients.
You may also find the following helpful, resourceful, etc. should an opportunity present itself for you to introduce the higher concepts we are learning about from Billy.
The Brain and The Law
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EREriwV71mA
Dr David Eagleman considers some emerging questions relating to law and neuroscience, challenging long-held assumptions in criminality and punishment and predicting a radical new future for the legal system.
Salome,
Eddie
[7:-)
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Edward
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Post Number: 2330
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 01:00 am: |
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Jacob....
I am familiar with what is mentioned in the OM and Goblet of Truth.
There are indeed, individuals whom DO...LEARN a Lessen from their
imprisonment!
Thus: they DO reach a certain state of Consciousness Related Development; if
this was not the case...they would just return back to the prison and conduct
their criminal practices, anew; which, is not always the case. Surely, few
cases can result this way, in repetition.
But, in general it is all: Circumstantial.
Every individual is different and they Result....Differently.
We should also, take a look at HOW severe the criminal act, was...which was
committed.
Not all murders are Murders!
Not all robbers....are Robbers! Etc.....
Again, Circumstance plays part, here. A Hired/Pro killer is indeed very...
different than an individual whom kills someone accidentally, or without a
Premeditated scenario. Thus, each their case must be Evaluated. And, 'NOT
Lumped on the same pile', as they say. [We have to utilize our Creational
Logic, here...]
They do not live in Luxury as you/is mentioned. They have their own unit with
others and certain 'huts' are for visitors, family, or whomever; to stay with
them. Through this confrontation they will be confronted with the life they
left behind due to their wrongdoing, and miss that life, family and all
related, and regret what they done wrong. This too, is a Punishment for them,
mind you! Being locked up and missing all that; which will lead them BACK to
their Common Sense, Reason and Logic. And, so it works....
I would agree with what is mentioned in OM and GOT, without doubt, but, again,
Circumstances plays part here, and the Evaluation of the criminal act; and,
the Psyche of the concerning individual.
Serial killers, and those whom rob and kill...in a repeating fashion(Pros)
should indeed be deprived from their/certain freedoms, as mentioned in the OM
and GOT, without doubt.
But, we should make Distinction of WHAT Type of criminal we are dealing with.
Thus those whom DO NOT return, are very well Conscious of their (past)
Wrongdoing, and Learned a lessen, and will not repeat it. They have achieved a
certain level of Consciousness Related Development(; and other Insight), I would say.
Edward. |
Thomas
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Post Number: 47
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2012 - 02:30 pm: |
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Hi Eddie, I don't know that I have earned such kind words but thank you. I will definitely watch the video you linked to this evening or tomorrow. Any new information or other points of view are always of interest to me and I try to learn from everything and everyone that I can.
Have a great day :-) |
Hawaiian
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Post Number: 33
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2012 - 03:10 pm: |
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Jacob,
I totally agree on your statement below, but would like to take it a step forward to ensure these criminals are made aware of their wrong doing by giving them the exact level of negative experiences they have done to their victims by switching the roles of the persecutor (them) to the ones the victimized in their dreams.
“The material consciousness/personality of the criminal must be made aware about his/her wrongdoing, so that they can think and learn about their wrongdoing, provided that their material consciousness is not damaged or hindered in anyway by an (mental) illness.”
To live one’s life on a desolated island or even a planet in solitude, grow their own food and contemplate their surroundings are all good intentions, but those of extreme nature will never learn until they experience the harsh realities of depraved living values they have done to others.
It may sound uncreational, but often uncreational events like guilt is bad for a balanced individual, but actually is “good medicine” for those that do bad things to others as it often leads to remorse and later compassion went they realize first hand what its like to suffer the way their victims have suffered and not to do such things.
What I am concerned about is the present “condition” of the spirit once the physical body decays and the personality takes its place with other passed personalities, did the spirit actually learn positively during the incarceration or did it just passed through to the ether awaiting its next incarnation?
A good example is that personality who persecuted Jmmanuel was the same spirit form incarnated numerous times to another personality that tried to assassinate Billy. Obviously that spirit form did not learn much after more than two thousand years. Would it have ended differently had it’s personality been influenced by giving it the necessary experience through dreams been appropriate, we will never know and can only speculate at this time?
Only if Quetzal would do another android experiment to clarify if indeed such measures are appropriate for future reference?
All I can say is that dreams do have a powerful effect on one’s thinking and is often the gateway of invention by those influencing it, so why not utilize it in a negative form for negative personalities so that it produces a positive reaction? Like a magnet, it takes the same polarity pole to flip it the other pole around so that now a positive and negative poles are together balanced and stable. |
Matthew
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2012 - 02:28 pm: |
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Thanks Eddie - I enjoyed the YouTube clip of David Eagleman - very informative.
Neuroscience may challenge our ideas about culpability but I doubt whether the future developments spawning from neuroscience or even genetics will significantly reduce criminal behaviours. Eagleman presents a new carrot that some brains with obvious anomalies like tumours can be helped and understood in terms of their capacity for criminal behaviour but I think that these developments will prove to be very limited to treating those obvious anomalies as according to the Plejaren even highly developed E.T. societies have criminals that have to be dealt with and what about those technologically advanced Bafath?
I think that a society's ability to limit criminal behaviour is directly linked with it's compliance with creational recommendations such as FIGU's support for a legal criteria for procreation. No-one wants to deal with that though because of its association with Eugenics.
We all need to take personal responsibility for ourselves and encourage that in others even if that means assertively supporting some form of expulsion from society as recommended by the Plejaren so that people who commit serious and repeated crimes learn spiritually too.
With reference to my work - the differences I make are short-lived in real terms. They make working bearable. People must change themselves from within and I am not free to pass on the spiritual teachings in any case and even if I were they would not be understood. I think that only an immediate practical working experience of the laws of cause and effect like the kind of simple place the Plejaren's recommend could really help.
Maybe most of us are criminals when compared with the Plejaren. After all, Earth was used as a prison planet a long time ago. Maybe that's the point of the SSSC. Maybe the Plejaren are actually saying that we have already been subject to these recommendations in that to some extent we are all in expulsion and unable to access other civilisations on other planets and that if we don't learn we all are made to regress to living in primitive ways to learn again and again until we evolve. That's probably just how the universe is with human beings.
Salome,
Matthew |
Edward
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Post Number: 2331
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 01:49 am: |
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Hi Matthew....
Very interesting input!
Concerning your: I realise that through my work that it is a delusion of the
so-called liberal-minded that positive societies can reintegrate the very
worse offenders simply by locking people away and punishing them. This merely
exacerbates the negative beliefs that many criminals have towards society that
caused the offences in the first place.....(and further...)
Billy did mention, that such containment institutions we have today, only....
BREED MORE Violent criminals/offenders: they become MORE insane.., than before
they got in. They are being bred this way, whilst they 'are doing their time.'
And this mentioned should be averted, and give the prisoner the correct
treatment he/she deserves(; material and mentally), to rehabilitate and even
the possibility to reintegrate into society, when/if healthy, enough.
And, as you mentioned, it sort of becomes a MONEY Machine, and which it truly
looks like, as I can conclude from the docs I have watched concerning the
mentioned. As if, THEY(the intuitions)...have to keep the prisoners that
way(Crazy) to keep their prison going. Ridiculous.....
Indeed, very much adjustments have to be made to ever reach Billy's
definition, as you mentioned.
Edward. |
Jacob
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Post Number: 822
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 02:59 pm: |
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Edward,
How can a murderer not be a murderer?
How can a robber not be a robber?
For logic's sake, lets presume that murderer is actually a murderer and not wrongly convicted, then how can't he/she not a murderer?
That does not make sense at all Edward, what I have stated is directly from the Spirit teaching and has no inclusions from me whatsoever.
A murderer is a person who kills another human being premeditated, if it happens by accident its manslaughter and not murder.
I agree with you that every case should be dealt carefully and all circumstances should be weighed in equally, a crime passional is not the same as a cold-blooded murder indeed.
Its also stated very clearly in the OM and Goblet of Truth that there is a difference in punishment when someone is insane and kills or someone who is in full possession of their faculties.
I am disagreeing with the politics of that asian country you mentioned and it surely visible how how law and justice 'works' on this planet.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Sarah
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Post Number: 141
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 11:25 am: |
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And you also don't lock a theif in the same prison as a serial murder. Seems like common sense to me. |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 353
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 08:03 am: |
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Hello Mathew,
You are correct. What I like about this scientist, Dr. Eagleman, is that he brings something to think about. He is bringing up points that hopefully causes people to think and perhaps lend enough momentum to thinking of potential new thinking that slowly it will lead to the rational conclusion of incorporating Creational/Billy's concepts and principles.
Soon, human beings will get tired of the wars, the racism, religious hate and terrorism and all the ugliness of degenerate behaviors. With disgust and intolerance, humanity will finally make living on this lonely planet enjoyable for everyone.
Salome,
Eddie
[7:-)
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 438
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 08:01 am: |
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When I read about all the violent offenders I can't help but think there may be another reason for their behaviour:
November of 1995 Tony Stephan was concerned about his 15 year old, who was manic depressive. His wife had committed suicide almost two years earlier, after suffering through years of a bi-polar disorder. He confided to a member of his church, David Hardy, that his family feared for their lives because of his son's violent behaviour. His other daugher was also on anti-psychotic drugs and when she was not hospitalized, she had to have 24 hour supervision. David Hardy was a retired high school biology teacher and was running a livestock feed supplement business in Southern Alberta. The symptoms of bi-polar sounded like the ear-and-tail-biting syndrome that effects pigs. What was used on pigs was a concoction of 24 vitamins and minerals added to their feed. So the two men decided to put together a human version of the mixture and bought the supplements at some health food stores. In January 1996 Stephan forced his son to take the mixture. Within days he was better, within a month he was normal. He also knows that he would be dead right now if he hadn't used it.
During testimony (yes Health Canada took them to court, unsuccessfully I might add) Dr Charles W. Popper, professor of psychiatry at Harvard University and a private practitioner said "they made claims about this treatment that struck me as pretty obviously ridiculous. Claims like 80% of all mentally ill people who try Empowerplus improve significantly." David Hardy forced a bottle on Dr. Popper as he was leaving early from the meeting. He hid it in his pocket and later hid it behind some books until a colleague's 10 year old son was having four hour tantrums every day. Dr. Popper gave his colleague the bottle with no expectations. After four days the father called Dr. Popper and said "the tantrums are gone, not better, not a lot better, gone. And that the kid wasn't even irritable" testified Dr. Popper. As of March 2006, he had 150 patients on Empowerplus, and they are so stable that for the first time in 20 years he has been able to see new patients. He also have between 300 to 500 of colleagues patients on the supplement and they are doing well. Health Canada also conducted their own testing on Empowerplus and concluded it was a "type 2" product, meaning that the "possibility of harm" was "remote".
empowerplus available at truehope.com
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Thomas
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Post Number: 49
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 11:43 pm: |
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In addition, everyone try to remember that in the Plejaren society, they have eliminated a certain imbalance in a certain chemical that occurs in the body which causes aggression. I want to say that it was phenethylamine, but in any case the chemical being corrected eliminates the tendency toward criminal action. Things like brain tumours also are detectable and treatable by them and thus the cases in which a person acted due to a lack of control incited by a tumour, etc., would not be treated the same as a murderer who had no excuse. |
Thomas
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Post Number: 51
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 11:47 pm: |
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Contact 119
Billy:
Thanks, then still a very unusual question: You once told me in confidence that the so-called criminality could be repaired scientifically and medically if this would only be striven for. You told me at that time that some toxin develops in excess in the human being for some reason, which makes him criminal. What is this toxin called and what, then, should be done against it?
Semjase:
43. The toxin is called phenylethylamine.
44. If this is neutralized in the human body, then through this, that substance is made ineffective, which drives the human being to criminality.
45. I may not explain more about that, however. |
Thomas
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Post Number: 52
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 11:38 pm: |
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Sarah you do not lock a thief in with honest people either which is what you do if they are left in society. I understand your point but when a person knowingly breaks the law, they go to prison and prison in the case of the Plejaren is segregation from society. I think this is a separate planet or land mass but either way it is a humane and correct method of rehabilitation. |
Edward
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Post Number: 2332
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 02:47 am: |
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Thomas....
The Phenylethylamine toxin...I once came across.
I was always wondering, that in some families...have just ONE child that has a
tendency to be criminal and the others do not, when/if Phenylethylamine plays
a role, here. Thus, it seems, that not all family members are in possession of
this toxin?
I mean, I know, that the living environment can Affect an individual to become
criminal, but, it does not always have to be Phenylethylamine related, I would
think. But, of course, when Phenylethylamine....is present in the individual,
in great amounts...this may indeed trigger the criminality, without doubt.
I mean, if One steals in necessity....say, because his family is starving,
this would be a Conscious deed/decision; even, Billy mentioned that this type
of 'small' criminality, if One wants to express it this way: is Tolerated! You
just do not starve.
Thus, the above mentioned example, just indicates that Phenylethylamine toxin
plays NO role. And, of course, Distinction must be made here, also.
The Tumors relation to criminality is known to me, also. Even, some physicians
are familiar with it, today. Knowing this, is quite a Positive Direction to
treat them correctly. Even, a misforming of the (pre)frontal lobe, against the
wall of the cranium has such effect and can lead the individual to very
unreasonable reasoning, etc., and can direct the individual to criminality;
when this is due from birth, it will affect the individual in their daily
life.
Edward. |
Thomas
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Post Number: 53
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2012 - 06:04 am: |
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Hi Edward, of coarse each person, except maybe identical twins, has their own individual body chemistry so you could be someone's brother and not have the same chemical balance in your system as they would.
I am also aware that stealing food in the case of survival could in some cases be acceptable but not if the lack of food was due to laziness, for example. There is almost always a choice to avoid criminal actions but there are exceptions, I know.
I guess the point is, each criminal act should be judged on the factors of the case at hand. When we get more advanced, better methods will become available. Until then, we are stuck in an unfair world (Earth society). |
Kingman
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Post Number: 892
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2012 - 10:32 am: |
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Stealing food to feed your starving family in a crisis would not automatically equate the title, "criminality". This action is not something that can be inserted into the actions of a real criminal. There are also times of war where we can claim crimes are committed by the participants, as well as the citizens caught in the middle, who are only trying to survive.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Edward
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Post Number: 2333
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 - 01:04 am: |
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Hi Sarah and Jacob...
Jacob:
You are getting point, there: A murderer is a person who kills another human
being premeditated, if it happens by accident its manslaughter and not murder.
We must make clear distinction of the two.
Of course, we should not murder at all, or whatever...(premeditated or not..)
As I mentioned: a serial killer should deserve what he deserves, and that
'accidental' killer...like-wise, but, their circumstances differ, thus, each
'measure' of their 'punishment' should also...differ. With the serial killer,
you throw the whole book to, and the accidental killer, one may skips some
chapters(, so to speak) due, to the circumstances of his...offence. Thus, as
you can noticed: there are two difference scenarios here, distinction must be
made even...for their punishment; of course, again, all within their
psychological evaluation, etc, concerning, for the end result/verdict.
Well, it seems in that asian country, they have their own ways and are
learning, also. But, if that system works for them...we should applaud that.
We see for ourselves, how the many western countries are failing, in their
containment institutions; even, Billy noticed this, as even I...as I
mentioned. And, Matthew brings up very good points; and he speaks of his
experience, which should have attention. [As mentioned in The Spirit(ual)
Teaching(s): - experience -, is an utmost important factor in accumulating
knowledge, wisdom, etc....(; something in that sense...)]
The west might 'learn' something from that system? The western containment
institutions STILL.....have much to learn.
Even, Billy mentioned the failure of the many psychologists, and
psychiatrists, etc: which, still....should be improved. And, if Billy says
something like that, we know...what he is talking about, because - those with
open eyes - can perceive this, as he would say(; at least, I can perceive it
and, I think many others too...).
Sarah:
No, of course, you do not lock up a thief with a serial killer....
I am sure, that that system is well doctored out to produce positive out-come,
and that much thought and calculation, etc, has gone into it. And, certainly
separating the 'lightweights from the heavyweights', so to speak.
The doc was from many years back, thus, some details may have slipped my
memory. But still: many can 'learn' from that system. It is always a
(positive) step to perfecting our own containment institutions, I would say.
And, there is nothing wrong with that. [Unless, as Matthew stated of other
agendas, so to speak....]
Edward. |
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