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Alagna
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 07-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 - 08:51 am: | 
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In my opinion, the key in Billy’s thing on grief (Robyn’s recent summary in the “Reincarnation, Death and the Storage ...” thread) is where he talks about “the process of becoming and passing away.” Certainly nothing material lasts forever; everything living dies, of course, but we see this trend throughout our universe, with examples as simple as food that eventually spoils, to a battery that gets used up, to a building structure that deteriorates, to a landmass shifted by tectonic pressure, to the death of a star and system, and so on.
Even Creation has “Wake” periods and “Sleep” periods; so we know that this consistency that we see in the material of “becoming and passing away,” (and that it repeats) is ultimately a Universal law.
As a person practices realizing the law of “becoming and passing away,” one has to also notice that ‘time is of the essence.’ So it would then therefore be religious, for example, to think that you have “all the time in the world” or that “this_________, will last forever,” so that you fail to pay attention, when you should have been observing. |
Edward
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Post Number: 2134
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 - 11:37 pm: |
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Hi Alagna...
Welcome to the FIGU board.
Well said.
Even we as Spirit-forms have a period of not existing in a human shell/body,
which is also a sort of Slumber/Sleep period for our human incarnation cycle.
And than, we incarnate and in the (A)Wake mode, to Learn more of Existence,
and Life and, Experience and Evolve, Materially.
But, alas, due to our Global Overpopulation, the mentioned process procedure
has not the possibility to manifest itself, as it should and is out of order.
But, I understand your point. Is a well perceptive observation.
Concerning: ‘time is of the essence.’
Yes, "TIME Does FLY", as the saying goes, no?
Before you know it...you are on the NEXT (reincarnation) cycle! [What is TIME?
A man-made measuring of Moments put into a numeral system. ]
Edward. |
Alagna
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 07-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 20, 2011 - 09:44 pm: |
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Hi Edward,
You mean, “welcome back” to the forum. I would have thought you would have remembered, old-timer? It is good to talk with you again.
Since we know that the 'becoming and passing away' is a constant in the Universe, then there is always going to be rate of change for these occurrences, from beginning to end. That rate is 'time.' So I would say that "TIME" is another law of Creation.
But let's explore the Creational law of 'becoming and passing away' a little more, if we may. Since we know this law is happening all around us, it is important for a person to be conscious of it and always working to improve his/her understanding – after all this is being spiritual. In my opinion, a good thing for a person to practice is detachment or anti-materialism, especially with a place or thing.
Semjase from the 10th Contact, “127. Only a balanced mind that is rooted in what is creative--in creative service, in creative wisdom, its knowledge, its love and joy that are more real than all material walls around (and more real than) the human environment--is valuable and serving the spirit's development. 128. Therefore the human being shall be spiritually great and constructive at all times. The spirit, the source of all endless, creative development, is itself the human's innermost being.”
So the spiritual path is paramount—period. And “the source of all endless creative development” is the self, not another person, place or thing. But the “walls around the human environment” are not all that real? What? How could that be? Why didn’t Semjase say ‘important’ instead of ‘real?’ Perhaps material things, like a house for example, are ‘becoming and passing away’ all around us all the time; and are not ultimately there? Obviously people need a place to live in, but only in so much that it appropriates being “…spiritually great and constructive at all times.” It would seem that the process (or evolution) of becoming and then passing away is the spiritual part, the constant, not the actual person, place or thing. What is real for example, is that human who died and caused a person grief, will repeat the law of becoming and passing away, over and over again, by being reborn through reincarnation as a new personality each time for almost an eternity – now that is real, unlike the ‘stuff’ that died out, got destroyed, or just simply deteriorated.
I hope that this makes some sense. It was my intent to stay on topic for this thread.
Best regards,
Anthony |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 2138
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 04:56 am: |
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Hi Anthony....
Nice to hear you are back again, dear friend!
Well, concerning: That rate is 'time.' So I would say that "TIME" is another
law of Creation.
Well, I though that in essence Creation is: Timeless.
But there are of course, Moments we can measure in a Time calculation format.
Just like what you mentioned what Semjase said.
TIME being a Material Factor/Manifestation, and not really a (Creation[al])
Spiritual Factor/Manifestation.
When it gets to the point, our Spiritual Growth is what counts. The Material
realms are just a byproduct...which we as humans can acquire the needed
Knowledge and Wisdom, etc.
In the end, it is that Unreal Material world we leave and hit back home to our
UR/Original, Spirit Realm within Creation, and become ONE with her. Thus, our
real HOME is the Spirit Realm!
The Material realms are just our Temperary Learning school, so to speak; and
even if Creation should cease to create any further, any Material realms, she
still exists in her Spiritual Format! Which is REAL, more than that Unreal
Material format which is just a TOOL...for her acquiring the needed Insight,
Knowledge, Wisdom, etc...; She too, is Learning and Growing Spiritual.
Jmmanuel, even mentioned that the Spirit Realm is our: TRUE HOME.
Edward. |
Alagna
Member
Post Number: 8
Registered: 07-2011
| | Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 07:08 pm: |
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Hi Edward,
You said, "TIME being a Material Factor/Manifestation, and not really a (Creation[al])Spiritual Factor/Manifestation."
I think you are mistaken my friend, time exists in the Spiritual realm too. Jacob, one of the moderators, said it quite nicely recently in his post 715, "I never said that the spiritual realm was a true void, the spiritual realm is a space/time continuum in which the spirit-form resides, however its space/time structures are many times higher so a second in the spiritual realm would be countless of years in the material realm."
So time does exist in the spiritual belts, only "...a second in the spiritual realm would be countless of years in the material." So I am confident that time is indeed another Creational law since we see evidence throughout the spectrum.
All the best,
Anthony |
Smukhuti
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Post Number: 595
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 10:09 pm: |
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Hi Alagna,
English is not my first language, but I had the same question since in modern/spoken English that I learned, humility and modesty have a lot of overlap.
But when I investigated, I found that actually the word humble can be traced back to humilis in Latin
Here are the definition for humilis:
humilis m and f, humile n; third declension
- low, lowly, small, slight; shallow
- (in respect to birth, fortune or worth) base, mean, humble, obscure, poor, needy, insignificant, low
- (of mind or character) submissive, abject
Humilis itself derives from humus in Latin that means "ground/earth/soil".
That was the source of confusion, and as the word became absorbed in French, Middle English, Persian, then Sankrit, another meaning, i.e. of being grounded, of belonging/owning ground/soil, became attached to this word along with their related meanings in other cultures i.e. not assertive/not haughty/not boastful etc.
"Beauty is truth's smile when she beholds her own face in a perfect mirror." - Tagore
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Alagna
Member
Post Number: 11
Registered: 07-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 11:27 am: |
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Thanks Smukhuti,
I think you nailed it with "humilis." So the whole "not assertive/not haughty/not boastful" (real values) re-branding may be a religious attempt to give the term "humble" ("low, lowly, small, slight; shallow" -- non-values) some 'redeeming qualities' to confuse the issue?
Cheers,
Anthony |
Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 596
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2011 - 11:34 am: |
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Hi Anthony,
It may or may not be a direct religious attempt. It is difficult to say for sure.
For example:
Culture A, could glorify the quality of being "lowly", "insignificant", "submissive" etc. (due to influence of religion or other reasons) whereas culture B could abhor the same qualities.
Introduce a new and glorified word from "God" to both the cultures, and each might attach different synonym to the same word, trying to justify their understanding of good qualities.
IMO - not necessarily, religion or religious leaders have to play a direct role, but can exert subtle influence.
At other times however, religious motives played a direct role - for example evident in the below verses (to quote a few):
Philippians 2:3
Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves....
Sura Aal-e-Imran 3:43
O Marium! keep to obedience to your Lord and humble yourself, and bow down with those who bow.
"Beauty is truth's smile when she beholds her own face in a perfect mirror." - Tagore
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 2143
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2011 - 03:24 am: |
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Hi Anthony....
I understand what you mean.
I was referring to Timeless being...within the framework of Endlessness,
within Creation(; including the Spirit realm). Where there is only Existence,
and not what we refer to as TIME, the way WE know it(; Material World).
I am thinking Before (and during/transition of) Creation, herself! Before the
Creational Laws....could ever be implemented. TIME is an 'indirect'
manifestation, through Consequences - Cause and Effect...which plays a greater
role in the Material World(s).
And thus, this brings us to another GREATER part of the spectrum.
Edward. |
Imaginosdesdinova
Member
Post Number: 23
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2011 - 12:10 pm: |
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Hi all,
I have question about Creational laws and directives... Are Creational laws finite or they are developing along with growth of Creational wisdom. ... If somebody can answer this. Thanks!
Salome.
"I'm a truth addict... ahhh Sh!t I got a head rush!" - Zack
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Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 753
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 01:16 am: |
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Hello,
The natural creative laws and recommendations are based on the laws of logic and love, they stay the same forever, they do not need to change, in eons from now when this creational universe has evolved to a higher form, new universes with material belts will have the same set of natural-creative laws and recommendations as this universe, the DERN universe.
The natural-creative laws and recommendations stay the same, the amount of wisdom, knowledge and truth increase forever.
The mention about logic and love needs a bit of an explanation: Logic and Love form an absolute unity which can not be seen apart from each other. The Love-'empfindung' is the ground substrate and the logic is the causality of love.
Love cant exist without logic and logic cant exist without love.
In this case logic is the (+), and love is the (-) forming an absolute and indivisible unity, even when logic and love are in themselves a unity.
To ask the why about this...this is one of the unsolvable secrets of the existence, at least for human beings.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Teesoft
Member
Post Number: 63
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 12:57 am: |
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Hi before i answer your question the best way i can, just want u to know that i am also constantly learning about Billy materials so pls do not just believe what i say as you can also find out your self, i might be wrong......With everything have read and learned i will say Creation laws were already there since the big bang itself and this laws and recomendation can never change till the contraction of the universe to his sleep/slumber state again which is still a very long time to come.... So i will say no the laws are never subject to change!
Salome,
Tosin. |
Teesoft
Member
Post Number: 64
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 01:20 am: |
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Hi in Contact 10 Semjase explain Creation laws and recommendation though i will advise you to read everything but here is an except ''47. The eternal truth is not
subject to any variations and
changes, and its laws must
never be revised and adjusted
to new time''
Salome,Tosin |
Imaginosdesdinova
Member
Post Number: 24
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 05:04 am: |
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Thank you both for your answers...
Salome
"I'm a truth addict... ahhh Sh!t I got a head rush!" - Zack
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Sonik_01
Member
Post Number: 242
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2011 - 10:19 pm: |
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Hello Jacob,
Precisely today I encountered a question regarding what you talked about in your post #753, just above, concerning logic and love. In many FIGU English articles, it asks about why we should do good things. In one article, it states "You do it for yourself". While I understand this, I also have some questions. One can say "We do everything for ourselves", because humans are social creatures. By helping our neighbour, we are also helping ourselves. But this is a paradox, because, really, is everything based on selfishness(logic)? Has Billy gone through all this suffering, through all these hardships, and continued to suffer defamations to this day for selfish reasons? What would Billy's reasons be for doing these things? Pure love or Selfishness, as to what is to be gained in future lives? Why should we do good things? (in light of this paradox, and in light of the Creational Laws and Recommendations?) (I need a reason to do good things).
Thank you,
Sonik_01 |
Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 765
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 - 04:45 am: |
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Hello Sonik_01
There is no paradox in the fact if you help others (within logic), that you also help yourself.
All humans on a planet form a collective in more ways then one, there is also the collective subconsciousness, also thoughts, feelings and actions affect everything around you, unfortunately the Earth human is so insensitive to other peoples thoughts, feelings, etc. that he/she assumes that he/she acts alone and doesn’t affect others, and if he/she knows this, they he/she usually doesn’t care.
The logical (good) things you do for the collective will affect others in its reach and make them ‘resonate’ so to speak in a similar way, as you might know if all objects in a collective resonate in a similar way, it puts out a very strong vibration as a collective, but if one or more are not harmonious and vibrate differently, in a non-harmonious fashion, it can and will affect the whole collective in a destructive manner.
Maybe a little complex, but this is how it works.
Another thing is also when you work on yourself, study, try to become wiser, etc. even when it appears to be a ‘selfish’ act, it is not in reality, because it is a logical process which affects others in a similar way.
Simply put, one cant see oneself separate from others, even when believes otherwise.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Sonik_01
Member
Post Number: 243
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 - 06:45 am: |
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Very nice, Jacob, thank you for the details about the collective subconscious. Very good to know.
Salome,
Sonik_01 |
Cpl
Member
Post Number: 581
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 - 06:04 am: |
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Hello Sonik,
Because All is One whatever we do affects the extended version of oneself which is everything, and that extended version will eventually bring ones actions back to oneself. This may be very direct or very indirect. It is true that some will just chew up ones good deeds and spit or vomit them out in unsavory manner, but that gives them the opportunity to learn eventually from their lack of appreciation of the good things in life.
An analogy that might help: humanity is a vast Lake of Humanity. Anything dropped into this Lake of Humanity creates ripples that spread out to its farthest shores touching everything in the lake, and then the ripples reverberate back eventually reaching their source.
This might be a way of communicating to children why it pays for them to do good the next time you are with them at a lake, river, or quiet pool.
So if you want good in your life do good; if you don't you won't bother.
Chris
Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either.
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Elreyjr
Member
Post Number: 264
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Monday, October 31, 2011 - 12:18 pm: |
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Greetings,
it made me think the moment I came across the statement that the flap of the wings of a butterfly can create a storm. I asked, how can it be? Thank you Jacob for making it emphatic.
Jun
My will be done |
Thomas
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 12:43 am: |
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URGENT!!! Another man is about to be put to death and you may be able to help prevent another possibly innocent person from being killed. After the text of this post I will post a link to an article with the info. Inside that article is a link to a petition to try and stop this senseless act. There are extenuating circumstances that show that this man may not even be guilty yet they are going to murder him anyway without even looking at solid evidence to the contrary! Cut and paste the link for the article and info. Please do not hesitate! A man's life is at stake and unlike the many other atrocities in the world, you can do something about this one directly!
http://freakoutnation.com/2011/11/02/another-man-to-be-executed-in-texas-in-a-few-days-without-dna-testing-witnesses-have-recanted/ |
Eddieamartin
Member
Post Number: 306
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 04:08 am: |
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Thomas,
I signed it. Hopefully, the right thing will happen.
Salome,
Eddie
[7:-)
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Memo00
Member
Post Number: 535
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 09:07 am: |
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Hello Thomas
I tried to open the link and a message appeared that said: "This Account Has Been Suspended"
Salome |
Teesoft
Member
Post Number: 79
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2011 - 08:13 am: |
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Hi Thomas i tried the link it says ''This Account Has Been Suspended''
I dont know whats wrong
Salome,
Tosin |
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