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Sarah
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Post Number: 104
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2011 - 07:47 am: | 
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So what if you were made to go to church for many years (Until 18), but then decides as a last minute thing, "Wait a minute, there isn't a god." Of coarse I can't exactly say I ever believed in a god.
Actually, do they really care if you already know they do this sort of thing, before it happens to you? I mean, I had some impulses, but I wouldnt necessarily think, "Hey, this came from them."
So any real complaint I would have, would be why they would erase your memory of the suggestion, if you already knew they did it. Assuming they do this, they might not. (I hope this doesn't come off as a mean complaint, thats not my intent.:P) |
Ilovebilly
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Post Number: 101
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, February 06, 2012 - 02:49 am: |
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If you worship anything you will lose your powers and be illogical.
If you are like some peoples on earth blaming things on the white man Its like a religion where they blame things on others and dont think to take blame for their own self thoughts/actions/future so they have no evolution as they are stuck in self pity.
Some of you do this with the Plejaren.
I call it the Blame Religion
i was doing it with the giza dudes
Salome
Peter
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings.
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Edward
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Post Number: 2347
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2012 - 12:25 am: |
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Hi Peter....
Your: If you are like some peoples on earth blaming things on the white man...
Billy did mentioned once that the white races and lighter races have always
dominated the other races from ancient times: so, there is a bit Truth of
their dominating nature. And the Consequences will be theirs, to come.
We should not forget, the genetically manipulated (white) refugees had their
genes manipulated and which would play part in how they manifest themselves.
And, these manipulated genes they passed on to their offspring and far into
the/our future, to be, and the result can be witnessed very clearly.
That is why, that Plejarans feel obligated to help man on Earth, due, to what
their forefathers have conducted in the past. And aide man on Earth as
mush as possible: Live and 'assist'....to live, as they say; which we should
be greatful of.
Nothing personal to my white Dutch, America and Australian friends, to add;
and others I may have left out. We just have to take heed to what Billy
said...to gain more Wisdom, and Tolerance, etc., towards each other, and
implement the Spirit(ual) Teaching(s) into our lives, which would be the best
remedy....
Peace to all creatures of Creation...
Edward. |
Ilovebilly
Member
Post Number: 131
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2012 - 06:54 am: |
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G'day Edward
Who are you defending mate?
is it you or others?
my point is: Blaming things on others is ((like worship)) we need to stop blaming others for our problems
i dont see how your response acknowledged this but tries to sound educational
wasnt it you saying
Oh when will they leave us alone!!
(referring to the Plejaren)
or demanding the Plejaren replace the lost civilisations
or was that Norm, you both seem the same
we know Broken Prime Directive would be main
Again my point Was
Blaming things on others is ((like worship)) we need to stop blaming others for our problems
me myself would say oh yes i have done that with the Giza dudes
but your response isnt like that its trying to divert
Salome
Peter
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings.
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Edward
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Post Number: 2351
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2012 - 11:11 pm: |
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Hi Peter....
If you feel there is error in my posting, than please formulate your posting
correctly so that there would be no misunderstanding?
Blaming things on "others and/or the white man" as in your first posting is
quite different in context/definition to you last posting.
Please post Clearly, if you will?
Edward. |
Smukhuti
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Post Number: 630
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2012 - 10:25 pm: |
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On complains that the Plejaren are not doing enough
In FIGU SB 27, Billy replies to related question and explained that ‘the directives of the Plejaren clearly stipulate that they must not interfere with foreign planets and humanities, if they do not belong to their federation and if aid is not requested by their relevant agencies. For other planets/civilizations which have not reached certain space capabilities and consciousness abilities, they must not also interfere, or maintain official contact, and give no assistance except impulse telepathic contact for purely peaceful purposes’.
The exception case where they arrested and exiled the Giza group was really, not an exception, since the Giza people were actually remnants from their own Lyra-Vega-Plejaren group/lineage who caused much trouble to the people of earth, and hence, they were the ones interfering with a lower developed civilization.
The self obligated mission by the Plejaren on Earth is precisely due to their desire to help us overcome the problem created by their forefathers and not out of any sense of duty to us. They do not control any sector of Universe, including our own, but only responsible for maintaining vigil on us for the above reason. If we destroy ourselves, nobody is going to save us, in the sense of "higher developed civilization in charge of this sector saving a lower developed sector", or otherwise. But if our destruction carries implication for other civilisation, they might well intervene, as previously done to avert testing of the telonin bomb.
It is an obligation of higher developed beings to help lower developed being, but this obligation also comes with a responsibility – to let the lower developed being stand on its own feet. Problems created by direct interference in negative direction can only be made worse by direct interference in the positive direction since this will guarantee that there will be a planet full of puppets ready to be swayed by every pull of string by the Plejaren. Another downside of spoon feeding is that the lower developed civilization also inherits the faults of the higher developed civilization.
Add to that, the current crises we are in are result of greed of earth humans and the problems have nothing to do with ET interference in the past. Robyn summed up very well in here post in the forum – “If the Plejaren helped us out of all our self-created disasters, then they would effectively be depriving us of our chance to solve them on our own and depriving us of our chance to evolve or the need to, which is contrary to the laws and recommendations clearly defined by Creation, which would be just like the damage and crippling to growth that humanitarianism does on this planet."
What is the thin line between being passive and putting the very best effort...and putting the very best effort and interfering?
First of all, according to their directive, only a certain level of knowledge can be imparted to a civilization/individual. An individual or a civilization being fed knowledge which their consciousness cannot handle, results in violent rejection or misutilization of the knowledge, often to disastrous consequences. People only search for answers of questions bothering them. Questions challenging established religions and the moronic "scientific" explanation that we are the only intelligent (pun) beings in the Universe are not priority for the vast majority of earth humans. In FIGU SB 27, Billy explained that ‘people of earth are not so far advanced in term of intelligence and rational thinking that they would turn away from religion, sects, and other false ideologies’. Any effort to turn these people into accepting the teaching of truth, the teaching of spirit, in a short time would only be possible through outright interference – like making their ships visible in the sky to everyone.
Artefacts on Mars cleaned up by Sirians? Would space organisation of any space faring nation reveal that to rest of the nations, before sending further mission to glean technical knowledge out of the artefacts? Are they not already privy to the knowledge of other races at the highest level? The best case scenario would have been that the organisation would announce in a low-key press conference that some anomalies have been discovered in Mars only to be overshadowed by something similar to an interview of the designer of lady Gaga’s latest dress, or some Presidents sexual exploits. Even at the super best case scenario, wherein the government would have acknowledged the find, groups of earth human would have asked the government to show concrete proofs, accuse of set up, and would permanently turn away from voting the party in power, while another group would eagerly wait for the return of the Gods. The Plejaren made it clear, that we, as a civilisation, are not ready for the sudden "shock" of waking up to the extraterrestrial truth.
The Plejaren did the ultimate act of offering help (perhaps out of desperation) by contacting the US Government though Billy. They learned the hard way that our own elected leaders (whom we have elected out of our free will) would not reveal the information to general public.
Sure, the ancestors of the Plejaren (Lyran-Vegan forefathers) played gods and that caused unthinkable damage to the natural course of belief system development in earth. But we were also given 6 prophets and the current (7th) prophet is living in the age of information, presenting huge amount of information and spirit teaching, which the people do not want to search for and others want to suppress.
If the Plejaren want to do "more" for us and impulse-contacts more and more earth humans to bring the teaching to their attention, the whole mission might be at risk through knee jerk reactions (like slandering, spreading disinformation, or going Randy Winters way) of these earth humans whose consciousness would not able to handle the teaching. And because this is the case, it is a paradox that those of us know of the mission and the teaching demand more from the Plejaren, while in reality, the onus is on every one of us to do "more" to promote spreading awareness of the mission and the spirit teaching. Obviously we have our limitations and a Michael Horn cannot be expected out of every one of us, but till the time we are not clear to our conscience that we are doing our best to serve the mission, this complain against the Plejaren do not hold.
"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." - Carl Jung
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 526
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, May 04, 2012 - 08:35 pm: |
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> The Plejaren were ask allowed to act against the Bafath because, technically, they had been attacked by them and were, therefore, acting in self-defense, as I recall. |
Cbp0009
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 04-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, May 05, 2012 - 11:06 am: |
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Well first let me say that an obligation and a duty are one and the same. Their duty is to fulfill their obligation, which they gave their promise or word generations ago to rectify the absolute chaos that their forefathers and other related E.T.'s have brought to our home planet. The only one exception to that being Nokodemion and his spirit consciousness that obviously embodies other personalities to help his human lineages to evolve or to set them back on the right path. I think u are missing the point that the origin of all the malevolent institutionalisation of the degenerated human race leads back to them. They have been dropping off their prisoners,undesirables, refugees here on earth for hundreds of thousands of years. And I haven't even mentioned the blood thirsty, megalomaniacs that settled here to subjugate everyone, a specially the dumded down, uneducated terrestrial human race into puppets. Where do u think our idiotic forefathers learned religion, human sacrifice and all the other terrors that came along with it. I would say that a hell of a lot of them have an obligation to make a difference. Now are we able now to change he horrible institutions of hate, war mongering, racism, etc. ect. Yes, I hope so, more than anything! We are capable and knowledgeable enough now to change but we are still fighting genetic degeneration of the past however many millennia, so yes we should all be greatful for the Plejarens help. Even in the contact notes and other information it's plain to see how they walk a tight rope with their, prime directive, if u will, on both sides. Yea its probably not a good idea for any of them to plop down on the white house lawn and say, hey, were here, let's have a picnic, and by the way this is your real history, but leave whatever artifacts of a non advanced technological nature or cultural significance behind so people can b eased into the trut by other people, regardless if its covered up some of it will have to come out sooner or later, there are whistle blowers and death bed confessions, ect. Lastly, yes we are not all Micheal horn or BEAM but what is going to happen when they are gone! Are we all gonna sit around on our ass and talk on the Figu message board while the world is blown to bits by the rejects who run this pebble. I understand that people have their own life and responsibilities to take care of but WHAT ARE WORDS AND KNOWLEDGE WITHOUT THE ACTION BEHIND IT! Meaning who is goin to find a way to take up this mantle when those guys that we look up to are gone, it will b here faster than we think.
SALOME |
Cbp0009
Member
Post Number: 11
Registered: 04-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, May 05, 2012 - 11:19 am: |
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Real quick, I also wanted to include that in no way was I excluding myself from my last comment at the bottom, even if u can only manage doing something small, we all must act, even if that means appropriately educating one person, and they do the same, it becomes systemic, an avalanche of the absolute truth, which can't be controlled or stopped. SALOME |
Redhalls
Member
Post Number: 21
Registered: 04-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2012 - 11:22 pm: |
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Hi,
I don't have a complaint but just wanted to say that the contact reports aren't the best way to learn... Think about it, it's a conversation between two people it's not a book.
I was reading this: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_452
Heck it's quite confusing the first part while they're talking about Nazis, Pegasus-refugees, the Sirians, and Men in Black.
It's just 4 short paragraphs about all those new and "foreign" things to us. If it was a book explaining step by step in detail about those "topics" it would obviously be much easier to read.
So someday in future we might try to do that, much like Michael Horn is doing with 'The Adventures of Billy Meier' but I think they can cut the conversations and compile the important stuff from all contact notes about each subject they mention into a book.
Karl |
Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 33
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 03:59 pm: |
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Redhalls,
I am a "fresh" member myself. For one thing you are right in the fact, that various information are spread and seem like without any logical order. This is, as you've said, due to the normal informative conversation form, a steno gram if you will. Some topics are discussed many times, because of their complexity or other reasons, but are aimed at maximum accuracy and above all - the truth. You could call the contact notes- a sort of "work in progress", something that is being updated, corrected, etc. To study such, needs patience and time. Perhaps you could begin with "Goblet of Truth" or "Talmud Jmmanueal" as they're complete and finished form of study material?
Salome |
Redhalls
Member
Post Number: 22
Registered: 04-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 01:05 am: |
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Yes, I have both and others from theyfly.com  |
Redhalls
Member
Post Number: 24
Registered: 04-2012
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 02:03 am: |
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Where is the physical evidence? Metal samples, pictures, film and sound recordings. This is 2012 we need to analyze them with the new technology how can we believe such claims Meier is saying with proof dating back to 1975???
It looks like a joke. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 540
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 10:32 am: |
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Redhalls,
The Contact Notes also are an historical record, a documentation of information in the time and manner in which it was conveyed. There is value in excerpting but also in the full conversations. In a number of ways they show/prove the authenticity of the case.
One could ponder why so much mundane information was conveyed, i.e. things pertaining to the group dynamics, issues with various people, etc., which, seen in the light of the known facts about Meier's circumstances, would hardly be the kind of things worth the time of a man without resources who was trying to "hoax" anything. |
Redhalls
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Post Number: 25
Registered: 04-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 10:42 pm: |
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Apart from contact notes I know there are a dozen German books and Gospel of Truth and a couple others maybe...
Couldn't Plejaren if they really wanted to give us the teaching of truth (spiritual teaching or part of them) simple write them down in a book (in English) and all is done... why it took an entire's man life for a couple of books is weird, he's suppose to present us with the truth, well you do that by writing a book/s so why did he has to spend 40 years learning before writing the books/s.
Plus he used to work endless nights and even risked his health and now all I can see is a dozen German books and Goblet of truth... contact notes well those don't reveal any spiritual teaching and I don't care what in them they say about giza pyramid or hitler (who will believe any of that anyway?).
The prophet already learned the teachings himself 6 times before did he had to spend 40 years to learn them again and so write the books? Makes no sense at all.
(Not to mention the 6 other prophets who led to the creation of religions like Christianity which led to innumerable number of deaths/murders in name of god apparently it was better if he wasn't there at all in those times, how come Plejaren didn't predict the outcome? Even a child could have predicted something bad)... I wonder what would Earth be like today without Christianity which ultimately started because of Jesus/Jmmanuel; probably better didn't they see that coming?
If his birthplace was predetermined to be in a quiet area why wasn't it determined to be in an English country so that teaching of truth will spread easier. So go figure. Aren't there any beautiful quiet country side places in America, England or some other English speaking country (of course there's a ton).
I also wonder what use the Spiritual Teaching have anyway apart for comfort for unreligious. And 500 or 700 years from now people will start to read the books printed today? I think the truth (about how life works) will come out thanks to scientific discoveries not a 20 century prophet. It didn't work in past (bad stuff happened actually, religions so why would it work now? Or will it work just because of the number 7?)
Also teaching of truth don't reveal anything special in my opinion just this: do good avoid bad and all will work much better.
This is the complaints section that's why I'm saying all this. |
Kiwiseeker
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Post Number: 93
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2012 - 05:39 pm: |
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Michael,
I agree that the Contact Notes "show/prove the authenticity of the case." I have spent a lot of time turning these notes into text and translating them (and it continues) and even though it is hard work, the rewards are worth it. I feel when I am doing this that it is almost as if I were present during the conversation and I get a great feeling regarding the relationship that Billy has with the person he is talking to.
Redhalls, we may be impatient at times in our desire to learn more and often it takes time for "the penny to drop", but it is satisfying. Like studying anything for the first time there may be confusion at first, but clarification occurs with time and perseverance. This is how we learn. It is like a jigsaw puzzle - as the pieces fall into place, the picture starts to appear and make sense. I believe that attempting to translate the contact notes is very helpful in learning German. That which is achieved with hard work leads to the greatest rewards. Anyway, the contact notes are gradually being turned into English and can be found at FutureofMankind.com. We do not need to see to believe; contemplation should be suffice; thankfully we are finally leaving the age of `faith and belief` and entering the age of `reason and understanding`!
Charles |
Hawaiian
Member
Post Number: 90
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 03:17 pm: |
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The Contact Notes has numerous instances of logical interchanges between supposively more advanced human races; the Plejarens and an Earthly reincarnated (BEAM) human being who often gives them insights that actually is beneficial to their experience and knowledge as well.
There are also many instances of scientific facts that collaborate this evidence of contact between a much higher evolved between Billy and the Plejarens, such as the inner composition and flow of energy of the sun, which our scientists have no idea, the list goes on and you can check it out on “The Future of Mankind website” for clarification. The contact notes even has medical suggestions that are beneficial including one in contact note 251 about the ageing gene in mankind that has been altered to reduce human life cycles to 100 years or less. The evidence is in every single Earth human, if only the genetic scientists will come forth with that information.
Billy wrote his knowledge down for the benefit of all humans, not just those on Earth, but also for those others throughout the DERN universe, it is done in High German because it is the only language, which can accurately translate fully the essence and codifying of creational materials and meaning. English is not mature enough for this mission and requires a great deal more effort to get the point across although at this point in time, I would rather drink a half full glass then one which is empty and strive to work for that full glass one day as it still promotes spiritual growth with what I can currently swallow at the moment. |
Corey
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Post Number: 201
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 04:41 pm: |
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Redhalls,
The German language is the only language able to transmit the encodings in which your consciousness can learn as well as your spirit form (Geisteslehre), and is the only language with the correct expressions based on Old Lyrian to convey the spiritual teaching. English is an inferior language to German which is why in the GOT there is a disclaimer that all human beings should strive to make German the planetary language.
Aside from that in the contact notes there is mention of it being predetermined that Billy should be born into Switzerland for reasons of safety against other government intrigues and the like, if you want to read more then translated contact reports, as well as answer your questions quit being negative and lazy and learn German so you can read more then a dozen spiritual teaching books the way they are meant to be read. You have to bend to the Creational laws and recommendations you can't expect them to bend to you.
Aside from that about the religions being formed from the other prophets work, that is not the fault of the prophet but of the Bafath, scribes, and other Earth humans who wanted to twist the teachings to their liking. Sure science will make discoveries related to the spiritual teachings in the future, but then after 800 years science will catch up to Billy's writings and they will be one and the same.
Keeping everything in the German language will help prevent new falsifications and new religions being formed out of Billy's writings. There is way more to the spiritual teaching then the simple sentence you wrote, if you want to know more then learn German and see for yourself.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker.
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Corey
Member
Post Number: 202
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 05:25 pm: |
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Redhalls,
Not counting the contact blocks, I counted 26 books written by Billy (I probably missed a few), not to mention the books written by core group members, the hundreds of pamphlets, bulletins, articles, and hundreds and of spirit lesson letters. There is definitely more then a dozen.
As for getting the spiritual information out there faster by the Plejaren, read Smukhuti's 630th post about the Plejaren directives up above.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker.
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Redhalls
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 04-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 10:08 pm: |
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Charles I don't think you need to translate them, I bought them from theyfly.com, they're in English.
"The German language is the only language able to transmit the encodings in which your consciousness can learn"
That's weird, usually I read a book and study it. What sort of encodings you're talking about I have no clue it feels supernatural. Wasn't it suppose to be learning through our own effort...
"quit being negative and lazy" it's all about finding the truth you can't expect someone to learn a new language just because someone says he's in contact with E.T's. When you know some insider information Billy's proof falls to pieces, the less you know about certain stuff the more likely you're to believe in his story. |
Redhalls
Member
Post Number: 27
Registered: 04-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 10:10 pm: |
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"Not counting the contact blocks, I counted 26 books written by Billy (I probably missed a few), not to mention the books written by core group members, the hundreds of pamphlets, bulletins, articles, and hundreds and of spirit lesson letters. "
You also have to talk straight talk, Billy's books you say are 26 then that's what's important to know - the other stuff are simple written by other people so shouldn't be mentioned at all, it's unrelated if you can understand that. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 542
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 11:35 am: |
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Re: "When you know some insider information Billy's proof falls to pieces, the less you know about certain stuff the more likely you're to believe in his story."
The "insider information" that I know amounts to well over 100 scientific, prophetically accurate items that have already been corroborated. More are undoubtedly there, we just don't have the English translations to research against.
If you want to take the items one by one and dispute them it would be helpful, so as to see if you've really done the research....on the research we've already done. |
Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 63
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 11:57 am: |
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Redhalls,
It is clear that this forum is trying to reason with you despite your arrogance...
Obviously you've mistaken this place for freak show display of some sort or a star wars souvenir shop.
Could you please stop crying like a baby and show that you belong here - by study, respect, knowledge and REASON.
Again, as I advised you some time ago- take your time with the study, instead of playing dumb and ignorant.
Salome |
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