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Smukhuti
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Post Number: 158
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 03, 2010 - 02:40 am: | 
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In "Light Years" by Gary Kinders, around page 250, there is description of the events around which the triangular metal sample which was being examined by Marcel Vogel under electron microscope vanished under mysterious circumstances.
He found the results so exiting, that he called a NASA sceintist, Dr Richard Haines. As Richard Haines reached Marcel Vogel's office, the triangular metal sample was found missing from Marcel Vogel's pocket!
In Dr. Vogel's own word - "I was a virgin opportunity, and I had gone to NASA as well the support of their own scientists who were interested, because here was a bit of material that could be looked at. I had many contacts within IBM who were deeply interested in exploring this with me. I could have had about an eight or nine man team. But I shut it all down. "
I was wondering, is it possible that something that would have proved definitely to the scientific community and NASA about the authenticity of the case was prevented by the Plejaren themselves so as to maintain plausible deniability?
Could it be one of the intelligence agencies, instead?
Salome.
Suv
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Edward
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Post Number: 1604
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 02:14 am: |
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Hi Smulhuti....
I remember reading that once. Interesting!
But, good question, though....
Well, many aspects in the Meier case, have just 'disappeared', here-and-there,
as you may know.
Obviously, a 'third' party could have been interested, and logically,
intervened and intercepted the material/goods(?).
Plejarans did say: that all will be discovered in good time. And, if this
was/is The Time; does leave it open, to the reader...him/her-self(?).
Edward. |
Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 523
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Monday, February 07, 2011 - 01:23 am: |
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After churning out all those Hollywood movies about ET's sending 3 dimensional encoded messages as in Contact, or group of scientists playing musical instruments and playing with runway lights to communicate with ET's in Spielberg's CE3K, or funny lore (or it was horror genre?) about skeleton like ET's in Mars Attacks, or outright paranoia like in Independence Day - all the Government of America get, is a poorly translated English language letter from ET's who look just like humans from earth and positioning a one armed Swiss farmer as an intermediary.
That was the greatest sci-fi flop show US America must have seen.
The Plejaren's have little sense of humor. They should have dressed themselves in evil grey or a reptilian master suite and holographically projected themselves in front of Mr. President (I vote for Harrison Ford in Air Force One) and provide some crystals or something.
Saalome.
Suv
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Indi
Moderator
Post Number: 570
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, February 07, 2011 - 02:46 am: |
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Although it is a shame that the first attempt at getting the attention of the US and other world governments was marred by poor quality translation in the least, it is safe to say that was in the past.
Now, good translations are done as exhibited by the open letter Billy sent out not too long ago.
Anyone who understands the quality of the work that is more recently and currently being done by FIGU Core and Passive group members compared to the less than professional earlier attempts, will not need to dwell on past mistakes of this kind.
Fortunately, the consciousness level of the recipient governments and their people, was maybe on par with the poor quality of that earlier translation. However, as we all know, all Governments have translators who can read the original German to get the message anyway.
This shows that Billy's mission had to 'begin at the beginning' as all tasks of such gargantuan proportions must.
It would be of course good to satisfy any curiosity as to why the Plejaren allowed this to happen, but as is borne out by experience, there is always a good reason for everything, which only becomes evident when the explanation is given.
I don't think there is much more to gain from dwelling on this.
Robyn |
Mattopenminds
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Post Number: 46
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Monday, February 07, 2011 - 03:31 am: |
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Your post made me smile Suv ;-) Put in that context, Billy's story sounds like a Monty Python verson of an ET contact.
I mean no offence but morality can seem a bit boring to most people; the truth, stranger and often more banal, than fiction and laws and commandments of creation sound like old-school rants. Urda humans are like petulant school children having a good laugh at the schoolmaster without realising the harm they do as a result! The Plejaren may have been giving us an antidote to the high we Urda humans have been on through our fantasy-making.
So why do we enjoy getting high on fantasy? It could be that in the, often deliberate removal or, absence of Truth about who we are and where we have come from, etc, our fantasies have deluded us to mimic feelings of fulfillment that would normally come from knowing the truth so much so that these false feelings have become more sought after for many than the truth itself. The tension created by a simulated finding of a truth, that is really only a lie, gets confused with what should be a mundane and banal feeling of peace. In other words, peace should be so abundant and everyday but we lost our patience with it as we have with truth which is also abundant, so we instead hold firm but fragilely to the shiny lies that keep us in turmoil and keep us guessing because we have no time to slow down and take in the peace during our averge short lives of 80 or so years. Maybe this will change when we learn to expand our lives. We may then feel able to slow down and enjoy a slower, quiter approach to life.
Take the films you mentioned. After all the fantasy in them what's the underlying messages? What's the immortal line from ET? "ET, phone home". How mundane is that? What does ET do whilst here on planet Earth? He plays dress up, gets dunk, messes around with technology a bit and eats junk - sounds like a boring Saturday to me. What was the immortal line in Contact? "Small moves, Ellie, small moves" and CE3K tag line was 'Watch the skies' (as if we don't already and have for millions of years). So essentially the overall messages from these great works of fiction are one of "Get used to the banal things in life cause they never stop" no matter how much of a flashy light, big boom sounds spin you put on 'em.
Salome,
Matt |
Kingman
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Post Number: 846
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 07, 2011 - 05:04 am: |
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Well put Suv, er, I think?
Definitely useable during a good standup comedy routine. I'm still laughing.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 524
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Monday, February 07, 2011 - 07:19 am: |
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Hi Shawn,
You thought correctly.
Saalome.
Suv
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Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 525
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Monday, February 07, 2011 - 07:41 am: |
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And Shawn,
Intermittent appearance of psychic cute babies who dream of the Giza pyramid and Atlantis should be must in the production..."Plejaren Contacts Harrison Ford".
Saalome.
Suv
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 434
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 07, 2011 - 09:00 am: |
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"So why do we enjoy getting high on fantasy?
It could be that in the often deliberate removal or absence of Truth about who we are and where we have come from, etc.,
our fantasies have deluded us to mimic feelings of fulfillment that would normally come from knowing the truth
so much so that these false feelings have become more sought after for many than the truth itself.
The tension created by a simulated finding of a truth, that is really only a lie,
gets confused with what should be a mundane and banal feeling of peace.
In other words, peace should be so abundant and everyday,
but we lost our patience with it
as we have with truth which is also abundant,
so we instead hold firmly but fragilely to the shiny lies that keep us in turmoil and keep us guessing
because we have no time to slow down and take in the peace...
Maybe this will change when we learn to expand our lives.
We may then feel able to slow down
and enjoy a slower, quieter approach to life."
-Mattopenminds
Thanks for stating this, Matt.
I hope you are right: someday we may live more peaceful and wise lives,
someday...
But I spose we must make this dream come true
through our own efforts.
Fur leben.
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Ufoman
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Post Number: 19
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2011 - 12:31 am: |
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I have much complaint about them. However I hope they stay way from a perticlar star system. They better as I don't want them there. As from earth I could care less depending the situlation. However I will not help or have anything to asociate with them or lyrian lineage or anyone mixed with lyrian blood. For my own good and safty. But want answers from billy. |
Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 615
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 03:39 pm: |
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I think your better off with some professional psychological help Ufoman.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 04:19 pm: |
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Please, no Jacob,
He has his rights, although they may be misguided. I fought a war thousands of years ago for the purpose of Freedom of choice, although others felt otherwise and changed that story completely around in order to fit their needs!
Sure the hurt and pain will never go away but now is the chance to change it, if we but gain the trust and respect of all that need it and can handle it!
Discernment through a new perspective gained only by a change made through guided perseverance along the way!  |
Jacob
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Post Number: 618
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 - 02:45 pm: |
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I meant this seriously and not out of malice.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 382
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 08:07 pm: |
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> What's with the "I fought a war thousands of years ago..." thing? > Where did that come from? |
Sanjin
Member
Post Number: 172
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 06:33 pm: |
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Ufoman, you sound like a racist. Are you a racist?
Love makes the world go round.
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Eddieamartin
Member
Post Number: 170
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 10:26 pm: |
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Bronzedesk,
There is no need for the insult nor for the sarcasm towards Ufoman or anyone else. This will not elevate someone's spirituality and will impact your own evolution in a most negative way.
Please see TJ Ch.32:7-8,12,14 and especially verse 17.
If a person's psyche has been negatively affected, you do not mistreat nor disrespect them and then add further insult to their injury with sarcasm. Any disrespect or insult towards anyone, goes against Creation's laws and recommendations.
If his is a young spirit form, then shame to any individual who cruelly insults or mistreats that personality.
If he is a young man and foolish in his ways, shame to anyone who insults or mistreats him, since such actions may turn him away. See TJ Ch.15:2-9,37-38
If he is someone who has come here with hidden, deceptive and false agendas, then let your light so shine that he may "see your good deeds and recognize the truth of your knowledge." TJ Ch.5:16
Creation's recommendations advise against your behavior and mistreatment. Especially these types of postings where "fun" is experienced in the insulting of others. He found his way here. He may be a young person in early to mid teens. Creation has taught us the principle of patience in every fruit bearing tree. Read the above verses from Jmmanuel that you may rise above such lack in your Consciousness.
I realize how harsh these words may come across to you Bronzedesk, but consider how harsh your words impacted and were received by him.
See TJ Ch.5:44 "However, I say to you: Practice love and understanding according to the natural laws of Creation, so that through logic you find the right action and perception.
Salome,
Eddie
[7:-)
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Mike
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Post Number: 81
Registered: 01-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 - 03:52 pm: |
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Folks, I think this thread has now deviated from its initial brief of “Complaints about the Pleiadians / Plejarans”.
Salome everyone
Mike |
Bronzedesk
Member
Post Number: 7
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 - 03:38 pm: |
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I know son....
But does he know that and feel that without feeling or fearing condemnation for just asking.
You sounded methodically correct but cold in your suggesting that to him. There is in fact tough love implied but we are the teachers and the beacons that will open the way for all someday.
And Michael please know this for you should know what I am by now...
I am one of the old ones 333
Keep constantly in mind in how many things you yourself have witnessed changes already. The universe is change, life is understanding.
Love is saying 'I feel differently' instead of 'You're wrong. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 383
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 - 06:40 pm: |
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I think that before we berate anyone, whether Ufoman or ourselves for our attitude towards him, it would be better for Ufoman to present himself so that conjecture, either way, is eliminated.
While all of the admonishments to not "mistreat" someone are good advice, we should also know more about Ufoman. Perhaps he's the innocent deserving of great patience and understanding, or perhaps a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Since it's notoriously easy for people to indulge in deception online, because of public anonymity, asking for Ufoman to step forward openly is quite appropriate...and may well temper our attitude towards him, one way or another. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 384
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 - 08:04 pm: |
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Bronzedesk,
I'm a bit perplexed here. Who's "son"? I don't know anything about "the old ones 333" and, pardon me, I don't even really know who you are, who I'm speaking with.
I do get tons of emails, correspondence, etc. and usually have a real name to go with it. On the forums there are these screen names and maybe I even forgot your real name, I don't know.
As for all the "nice" platitudes, there's a reason why we even make clear distinctions about right and wrong. Sometimes we are simply...wrong. I know that I have been, occasionally am, and will again be. Is there something...wrong with so stating?
And not all things are a matter of just "feelings". We can be led in very...wrong directions by not firmly interceding when and where necessary. We've all heard the tale of the emperor having no clothes...and how few would acknowledge it openly.
No need for abuse or coddling, let's find out what is and act accordingly.
And, again, please clear up the 333 thing and just how you KNOW that. Let's keep in mind that this "I" or "you" refers to a personality...that never existed before, anywhere, anytime. |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 171
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 - 09:18 pm: |
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I second Michael Horn's Post# 383
Not sure what thread would be the appropriate, for "Ufoman to present himself" as Michael stated.
Salome,
Eddie
[7:-)
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Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 06:11 am: |
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We agree this is not the place to post this you, are all caught up in the whys and wherefores simply because you feel threatened, which is not the case. You are splitting hairs and losing your perspective.
Everything here has been given is in love and respect. Creation doesn't give us what we want it gives us what it needs. Consider this creations test of your resolve.
Enough said for now, am wishing you all both peace love and understanding!
When the time is right for you all you will know! |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2120
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 01:37 pm: |
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Please lets get back on topic |
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