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Corey
Member
Post Number: 203
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 04:22 pm: | 
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Redhalls,
Read the English translated intro to the Goblet of Truth to read more about the encodings. Billy's books aren't like normal books. This is common knowledge and one of the main reasons people learn German, you sure didn't do your research well.
Actually many of Billy's pamphlets are written by Billy covering many in depth subjects that are unavailable in any other book, short and sweet, and many are free or for a nominal charge.
Books written by core group members are related to the mission, although not encoded, they contain helpful information for interested parties. They have 800 years of "mission assistance" ahead of them so why not start now.
One of the best things about FIGU is you pay for the books and they send them to you no questions asked. There's no tests, no questionares, you just get what you paid for.
If your a skeptic then fine be a skeptic, many skeptics have tried to disprove things before i.e. it's probably been tried.
It really takes an open mind to study Billy's material, you had a lot of questions and all I was trying to say is they are all answered in the material. Good luck to you.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker.
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Matt
Member
Post Number: 260
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 07:34 pm: |
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Regardless of all the proof there is, I think some people just can't believe that someone could be having genuine ongoing contacts with ET's. |
Redhalls
Member
Post Number: 28
Registered: 04-2012
| | Posted on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 11:49 pm: |
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Nostradamus, Edward Casey... but don't want to argue unless there's a section on forum named Sckeptics  |
Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 921
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 01:32 am: |
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Honestly, the fact that this section on the forum exists named "Complaints About the Pleiadians / Plejaren" baffles me.
The Plejarens, together with Eduard bring a wealth of information, social-economical, scientific, consciousness-related/spiritual information, and yet there are people who complain that everything should be reduced to a instant - just add water - 30 day money back guarantee - crash course in English, simply because they do not want to undertake the effort of learning a language, German, which is much better in expressing the spirit teaching then any other language.
Eduard, being the 7th prophet because of his ancient spiritform, has much more spiritual knowledge then the Plejarens. It is not the main task of the Plejarens to bring the spirit teaching, that task is for Eduard with assistance of the 'henoch crew'.
The mission is much greater then I can explain in these words, but one has to understand the following:
To bring proof to the people of Earth that they are NOT the only intelligent human life in this universe, this is already very hard to do.
To teach the people of Earth that they have a spiritform is much harder then the aforementioned, since gaining knowledge about the spiritform requires a logical and clear thinking that most people lack on this planet, especially when it comes to facts of life which cant be directly detected by the 5 material senses.
One has also to understand, if a human cant grasp the concept of extra-terrestrial life, then its impossible for him to grasp the concept of a human spiritform.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Redhalls
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 04-2012
| | Posted on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 11:17 pm: |
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One thing I understood from many of you is that you can't talk with you... I was only putting my thoughts and you've called me within a day:
arrogant, cry like a baby, lazy and negative.
Seems like no one can say anything against what's now your BELIEVE in Meier just like you can't say anything against other religions.
Look my membership here is closed. |
Corey
Member
Post Number: 212
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 09:36 am: |
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Jacob,
I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately some people lack the initiative and self discipline it takes to study the spirit teaching, and the courage and introspection necessary to change thousands of years of negative religious programming within themselves and thus choose to remain unknowledgeable on how to live within the boundaries of the laws and recommendations of Creation.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker.
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Redhalls
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 04-2012
| | Posted on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 11:12 pm: |
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"Read the English translated intro to the Goblet of Truth to read more about the encodings. Billy's books aren't like normal books. This is common knowledge and one of the main reasons people learn German, you sure didn't do your research well. "
I know they have encodings I asked what really are they? |
Corey
Member
Post Number: 213
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 05:05 pm: |
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Redhalls,
They are impulsed based encodings that release impulses from the terrestrial storage banks to the reader, that allow the conciousness to learn by releasing knowledge to the reader that is free from compulsion and coercion. The reader is free to decide to accept or deny the impulses. Known as the "evolution code", it's also a way for your spirit form to evolve by learning from the codings in a way that is unlike any other form here on Earth. The encodings are only available in the German lanquage (English translations don't count), and the German contact reports have no code, only the spirit teaching books and the spirit lessons of course.
Learning from Billy's teaching is unlike learning from a religion, where knowledge just "drips in" slowly to the consciousness when influenced from the outside, versus when you are in control of your thoughts and feelings, predetermining your own actions and destiny as taught by the spirit teaching. I don't know why your asking since you are a self proclaimed skeptic, but I posted my response in case you decide to actually learn from it. In your mind, since the Meier case "just falls apart" I'm not sure where you are going with all of these questions, and unfortunately the truth is you'll have to learn a new language if you want to read the encodings which would take effort on your part.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker.
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Corey
Member
Post Number: 214
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 06:59 pm: |
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Redhalls,
Keep in mind that religion itself is unproveable fiction and consciousness enslavement at it's finest. Reading Billy's teachings, which are not based in beleif but proveable knowledge based in the laws and commandments of Creation whereas studying anything religious stems from unknowledge which is the exact polar opposite and a vast difference. The reason information "drips in" slowly for a person who is hindered in their consciousness is because they are not in control of their thoughts and feelings and afflicted in their Psyche. Reading the encodings is for the consciousness what water for a thirsty person in a desert and can put you on the path for self determination.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker.
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Michaelhelfert
Member
Post Number: 125
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 11:09 am: |
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There is a thin line between insulting someone, and questioning their forthright honesty. Walk delicately here, but do walk that path if it is your choice. In the tradition of academia, we need good critical advocates to keep us on our toes. Idiotic criticism gets old pretty quick, though.
In the same manner there is a thin line between agreeing with something, and adopting it religiously. For instance, the proofs that we have been visited by people from afar is actually pretty slight: a few metal samples, some sound samples, pictures, etc. The Plejaren are not open to face-to-face diplomatic meetings, nor are they supposed to be. If what the Plejaren say is true, we have a long way to grow from here before we are ready to meet them.
So keep in mind that the subject we are supposed to be studying and defending is not so much about people from another planet as it is about their message, and the resulting Mission for mankind. This is what we most need to question, to test, to subject to fine criticism, and to discover the root reasons for our evolution along this path.
Life
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Corey
Member
Post Number: 216
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 05:37 pm: |
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Michael,
The photographs are clear daytime color pictures, Photobuch/Through Space and Time, photos for sale in the FIGU shop, posters, Wendelle Stevens books, and there is witnesses, sightings by core group members, see Das Zeugenbuch (most people don't know Billy once turned Pepsi into wine at a Bday party using his consciousness powers with witnesses), Bulletins, contact reports etc. The information is all there for the skeptics, if the supplemental investigation reports are not good enough, a true skeptic would learn German so they could read the available material before being so quick to discount the case. It's no coincidence that people that know German are so quick to defend Billy because they have read the information, follow the Bulletins for themselves etc.
As time goes on here on Earth, according to Micheal Horn there are already over 100 corraborated items from the contact reports. Science has already corroborated what Billy has said about major planetary problems such as rising sea levels, CFC's, some scientists agree Apophis will strike, and other things such as SOL system information, the Big Bang (Genesis) etc. Most people don't know Billy was the original global warming opponent, and when the time comes for our planet to deal with the overpopulation problem most people won't know he stated that is the root cause of our problems.
People who study, learn, and know the spirit teaching don't follow it religiously, but make their own cognitions by researching the material which expands their wisdom and knowledge and development. The spirit teaching stands for itself and people that research it can attest to the truthfullness/accuracy of the teaching. Most skeptics are in it for strictly ufology reasons, not the spirit teaching and most skeptics here on the english forums haven't even bothered to read the supplemental investigation reports, and you can't refer them to an untranslated German source either so it's a catch 22.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker.
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Michaelhelfert
Member
Post Number: 128
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 06:07 am: |
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Howdy Corey,
We still need skeptics to keep us sharp. When we finally decide for ourselves that, yes, the Plejaren are real people who are really visiting our planet from time to time, then it is easy to fall into an almost religious mindset of believing that everything they say is true. Skeptics remind us that we NEED to question everything for ourselves. There are some people in this group who have objectively practiced this skepticism to a greater degree than others, and have still ended up agreeing with the Plejaren... they have determined to a greater depth how, why Billy and the Plejaren are worth listening to. Questioning and thinking for oneself is what makes a thought worth considering.
Life
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Blake_p
New member
Post Number: 3
Registered: 07-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 03:56 pm: |
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I know how protective people can be about the mission and for some reason the plejaren, but i think there are legitimate questions about why Jmmanuel would be incarnated at a time when most of the people at that time couldn't read or write,let alone comprehend the depth and profoundness of his teachings,or why they woudnt do a future viewing of how his existence then would turn out since there is only 7 prophets to be incarnated on our planet. Seems to be pretty counterproductive when millions of people died,even though that blame definitely falls on the degenerate,controlling,and selfish terrestrial human beings that perpetuated that outcome. It just seems they would of been better suited in the renaissance,or the enlightenment. I think those questions are relevant but i think the more anyone reads through all of the material they should understand that all those questions,inquiries,pictures of beamships and all the other evidence from decades ago are pretty much irrelevant. If you've read through the spiritual teaching and not only understand but feel and notice the profound change that can come along with all the invaluable,perfectly and exact,specifically descriptive words that Billy writes, all the other things involved in the case become minuscule. The proof for me was reading Billy's words,applying them to my life, and noticing the effect that it had on everything i did and do. I mean there are many other examples but his words in the last chapters of the G.O.T. and Sapre Aude (sp?) in the spiritual teaching are just plainly, profound.If somebody can write so beautifully and truthfully that it can literally reshape your evolutionary path,all the other questions i have, that will probably never be answered anyway, become inconsequential. Besides,people who fabricate things are out for two things fame and fortune. I can promise u that anyone in the world would quickly stop anything fake after the first assassination attempt,let alone 21,also i think he turned down a few, but was offered a million dollars for movie rights and turned it down so that should be a good indicator right there of his character and intentions.So i think the inquiries/complaints about the plejaren aren't bad to have, just more conversation pieces,because if youve read through everything else you know that those inquiries don't really matter. |
Corey
Member
Post Number: 236
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 07:38 pm: |
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Blake_p,
I agree with you 100%, the spirit teaching stands for itself, as do the high values Billy possesses. The photos of beamships are interesting, but we'll get there on our own (with the help of Plejaren impulses) in good time here on Earth.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker.
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Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 79
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 03:55 am: |
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Blake_p
Thanks for your input. Every fresh view on matters related to Meier is absolutely needed. It helps to bring questions alight again, to look at things from new perspective, and to put emphasis on events that really are corner stones of his/our mission.
There are oceans of knowledge available here, if you dare to explore them. Indeed, knowledge so vast, that many fall into illusion, that once they read all contact notes and other available publications regarding Meier - what's really only a surface scratch - they "know it all".
Facts are different however, and truly, hidden from ignorant view.
In my opinion, only being honest with yourself regarding any study ,and only ...serious research done on particular subject, can bring facts that everyone could learn from.
In this sense, I plea, you research the Jmmanuel, and indeed, all about him. Despite all "know it all" opinions - find the truth yourself, and do not hesitate to dispute it in details.
It is not hard study and long hours that kill a lot of open minds - but self deception, megalomania and ignorance.
I am looking forward to your research.
Salome |
Lemontree
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 03:27 am: |
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"Billy once turned Pepsi into wine at a Bday party using his consciousness powers with witnesses"
First of I'm not a sceptic but I do use my mind to think and analyze. There is something you don't know about I think, so I'll show, sry if this is a bit long.
Billy has mind over matter capabilities. A quote says: "You can move a mountain if you believe" These folks can basically do anything!
Billy isn't alone who can do these things apparently.
4 well known people who are magicians have these mind over matter powers. Not tricks (see below links). Levitaion, teleportation, walking on water, transforming and manipulating matter at will. In front of witnesses, I mean walking on water was done on River Thames.
Below are links to videos. Anyway what I'm saying is this is the only method Meier could have used to create the evidence, photos, metal samples all that can be done with metal powers - after all he turned pepsi to wine and even drove tractor with mind power alone (if I remember correctly) so he can easily do the photos etc. You can make the illusion of a ufo appear and simple take a photo or take a photo and add the ufo later with powers it will be perfect. Anyway there's a way around all that because the power allows you to manipulate matter as you wish basically.
So I'm not saying anything against anyone this is something I've been thinking about for a while because it's the only way Meier could have created the evidence. As for the premonitions/prophecies all folks with mind over matter have that ability too (Steven has the best evidence for this not some weird trick just search youtube).
So if you want to learn more about these things Google these folks and watch all their videos, they're all on youtube but without watching them all you'll miss the really good ones.
Steven Frayne (dynamo)
Christopher Nicholas Sarantakos (Criss Angel)
Cyril Takayama
Here are some videos:
Levitation of woman on street: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HoTKXwXDHw
Cola and juice swapped: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdr-qStgiwk
Phone into bottle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-u4AXeq-1o
Walking river Thames: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kne6YnjcruQ
Walking down building: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy9Ylzc3Jps
If you thoroughly research these folks you'll know that Billy's power isn't unique to himself and it could have actually been used to produce the evidence.
So I'm saying all this just to say something I mean just because others have the same powers Meier has it could mean nothing of course. I'm not trying to offend anyone or say Meier has used this power to create evidence, I'm just thinking it is possible.
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Lemontree
New member
Post Number: 3
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 03:47 am: |
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If I may I also wish to say something about the words skeptics, etc.
According to dictionary:
Skeptic: A person inclined to question or doubt all accepted opinions.
Believers: Accept (something) as true; feel sure of the truth of.
We all started out as skeptics until we were sold to and became believers of the truth of the matter Or we became believers that it's not true.
So there's a distinction between someone who's a skeptic and is still trying to learn and get his doubts/questions answered versus someone who is a believer that the case in question isn't true. There's a huge distinction between these two that's important to understand I think. |
Michaelhelfert
Member
Post Number: 161
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 07:48 am: |
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Lemontree, your illusionists are not nearly as good as mine. I have visited a number of spiritual adepts in various traditions, and no doubt will continue to do so. I enjoy engaging these people to learn what perspective they are coming from and how they see the world. Most notably, I spent some time studying under the tutelage of Sai Baba, a man who did incredible things throughout his life.
Sai Baba was an Indian spiritual guru who died of old age recently. He was a walking miracle machine. Every few seconds he did something amazing, every few minutes he did something astounding, and every so often he did something truly off the scale. Sai Baba preached to foreign people in obscure dialects. He authoritatively talked about things that he had no normal way of knowing. He intervened in the lives of his devotees all around the world, through dreams, visions, physical appearances, and even bilocations. He occasionally teleported people, or raised people from the dead. He inspired other people to also do miracles. And of course, he materialized things, all sorts of things, often right in the faces of skeptics. I went to visit him and determined that at least some of what he was doing was not done by slight of hand, that some other mechanism was at work. But he was a holy man on a holy mission, and the miracles were just part of the equation. To get a sense of what I mean, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHYUzwHnaCY
In association with the train of saints and gurus I have seen over the years, I have experienced many miracles personally. They got to be so common I didn't bother to remember them all. Vibhuti (sacred ash) appearing in various places and in the shape of symbols, sacred honey flowing (the best tasting honey I have ever had was manifested), people levitating, things moving and changing shape, people getting strange surgeries and healed of injuries, predicted and synchronistic events, telepathy, and on and on and on and on.
So when I look at the people you presented, Chris Angel, Steven Frayne, I kinda chuckle. Mr. Frayne appears to be using normal facilities to me. Chris Angel may have figured out how to levitate objects, who knows. I have seen better, up close and personal, and experienced these things for myself. Spiritual power is not the mark of enlightenment.
I think that most people who learn to use their spiritual power, hone their awareness of it and apply it how they can, really don't understand what they are doing. They don't have a very good framework to make sense of what's happening and be able to convey that to others. So when they do something they smile knowingly, for they know what they do, and we can only guess at their understanding of it. Again, exhibiting spiritual power does not make one all-knowing, and even if it did, one might still have a singular perspective rather than an ubiquitously fluid one that would know how to organize everyone else's lives to their best and wisest growth. In the actual framework of reality, what we learn, and how we apply it, is up to us.
To me, what Billy Meier does is more valuable than presenting such marvelous miracles as eye candy. He is showing how a spiritually advanced group of people have faced these questions and come to collective agreements, formed a cultural understandings of these things without their society just falling apart. They did this by pinning the development of wisdom in their society to the concept of universal natural creational laws. Billy Meier attempts to establish a framework with which we can all pleasantly relate, something which can grow through the ages and yet still be fresh, vibrant, and true. How successful he is at this has yet to be seen. In this realm, everything that one understands is a function of perspective: only time will tell.
Life
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Thomas
Member
Post Number: 83
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 10:55 am: |
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> As I recall=2C BEAM denounced Sai Baba as a fake... |
Michaelhelfert
Member
Post Number: 163
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 04:35 pm: |
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Howdy Thomas,
Sai Baba's misrepresenting himself is something I suspect may be an element of the equation. How did BEAM explain away Sai Baba exactly? Do you have quotes handy? Don't hold back, you aren't gonna hurt my feelings none.
Life
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2315
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 05:58 pm: |
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While not going to far off topic, Michael you stated "Spiritual power is not the mark of enlightenment." I will have to agree with that statement. I too have witnessed things first hand regarding the use of spiritual or consciousness related forces. With that said, some of these people seemed to be dead in the water concerning any type of higher thinking or even learning to be a semi-honest and or decent person....It is something I have never been able to come to any clear conclusion. Perhaps these "gifts" are naturally developed over many lifetimes, without requiring any effort from the current personality?
Scott |
Thomas
Member
Post Number: 84
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 07:45 pm: |
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> In the Questions to BEAM section there was a response but this may or may= not have been brought along with the first of the forum software upgrades.= There may be other quotes as well but I don't recall the details unfortun= ately. I do remember that BEAM often called Sai Baba the "Baba Man" in a n= ot flattering context. |
Matt
Member
Post Number: 273
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 08:27 pm: |
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Michaelhelfert, I do not recall exactly where Billy or the Pleyaren said that Sai Baba was a fake but this is the main page where there is a discussion about him. There are some other pages too, and they also speak of Sai Baba being a fake. You may want to ask Billy that question if it can't be found.
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/11737.html#POST55208 |
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