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    Jacob Moderator Post Number: 922 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hello Derrick, I will try to answer them to the best of my knowledge. 1. Lifeforms with an instinct consciousness only will remain that and never develop an conscious consciousness like an human being. 2. Yes they do. 3. The instinct consciousness refines over many incarnations, it develops in conjunction with the animal species itself. 4. No connection, human races with a 'Reptiliod' appearance get this because their environment (for example a planet with a lot of water, moist, vegetation) caused their races to adapt and form similar abilities and appearances, but there is no genetic cross-over. 5.The human lifeform did evolve from the primordial soup, but from that point on it had its own linage. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Derrick Member Post Number: 109 Registered: 01-2011 |
Thanks Jacob, This answers many questions for me. Salome Derrick | ||
Treason Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 08-2012 |
If Billy's goal is to show the truth to the world, why doesnt he show evidence that is impossible to hoax? He has been stopped presenting evidence for decades now. For instance 1) regrow his arm; yes it attracts alot of attention, and it should! 2) show fruits from earth trees that were extinct for AGES but are grown by Pleidians 3) video bigfoot, clearly as possible and disclose their exact location 4) video blue people hiding underground 5) bring ancient artifact from time travels, have credited scientists to examine it. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 552 Registered: 07-2009 |
> Please consider upgrading your understanding of what constitutes the best evidence. The best evidence isn't the physical evidence, it's the volumes of specific, prophetically accurate scientific information corroborated by scientific discoveries years and decades AFTER Meier verifiably published it. Much of that is freely available at www.theyfly.com and Mahigitam's FIGUTV.com channel. And it fills up 22 minutes on our latest Meier film. Hopefully, in addition scientists and skeptics won't be the only ones forced to confront and realize the ironclad authenticity of the Meier case. Perhaps even people who participate on the forum, or are interested in UFOs, etc., will also evolve their understanding of the EASILY verifiable truth that has been assembled by people who actually took the time to research and compile it. | ||
Ferbon Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 05-2012 |
The evidence.  | ||
Treason Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 08-2012 |
@Michael I found that some critics claim Billy's "prophetically accurate scientific statement" came from science magazines before the statements were published. See here http://billymeierufocase.com/ike42.html What if all Billy's prophetic statements are burrowed from other sources when he was writing or cannot be proved in his lifetime? Also, for most people "seeing is believing". Why wouldnt Billy Meier show to the world what cannot be disputed? For instance a real carcass of bigfoot that can be analyzed by recognized scientist? Why is Billy not making physical evidences? People believe in miracles when they see them before their eyes. @Ferbon i have no idea what you are trying to tell me. Multiple dimensions? Optical illusions? | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 554 Registered: 07-2009 |
> Really, you "found that", did you? Well, since you're obviously so good at finding, why not find this: http://www.theyfly.com/skeptical-challenge/confirming-meier’s-jupiter-in formation-and-debunking-incorrect-debunkers-…-again …that shows that Ike was wrong about virtually everything. And while you're at it why don't you find out what constitutes ironclad evidence, what Meier has actually published that has been irrefutably corroborated by science? "What if" in your previous lifetime you were a cantaloupe? What if indeed. Please, if you're going to post here and invite/expect that others will take the time to try to answer your questions, use/develop some thinking ability, do your own research, study, digest, ponder, etc. once you've been pointed in the direction you seem to be seeking. Amnd read the archives on this forum. It may surprise you to know that much of what you are discussing, claiming, questioning, etc. has been amply covered before. | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 321 Registered: 01-2009 |
So Billy Meier, whilst raising a family, building up his farm, working on the farm, only having one arm, being pretty much poor and without many resources at his exposal, Had time to go through science magazines, published in countries 1000's of miles away, some which perhaps was not even being published at the time, and take out information and then in spite of persons trying to kill him, carried out false claims to try and trick the masses. How unlikely does this sound? To me, if I did not know any better, this sound more unlikely than human beings flying down and meeting him. As for finding a Bigfoot carcass - what would be the point of that anyway. There is evidence from other persons on the Bigfoot. Human beings must think for themselves and work things out. Not have everything given to them on a big plate and force fed with a silver spoon Salome www.ufofacts.me.uk - www.thecircleforhumanity.net | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1481 Registered: 02-2000 |
Matt, I read it here. I'm not sure which notes. http://www.myspace.com/billymeiercontactreports/blog My Website | ||
Treason Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 08-2012 |
Moore and Michael, both of you are dodging the my question. If Billy Meier truly wants to convert people to his mission why not provide more physical evidence that can be analyzed by multiple scientists? People can think all they want but to them seeing is believing. To appeal to masses, why not show more? Michael, your argument on the link rests on the fact that Billy published his first notes before 1979. I think Ike believe it was published in 1979 http://www.billymeierufocase.com/billymeiertimeline.html If you could show me an official document or link that shows exactly when BIlly's contact notes were published I would be grateful. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2297 Registered: 12-1999 |
Treason, How much physical evidence do you need? Billy is not on this planet to convert anyone, that is not the nature of the spiritual teachings. Everyone is free to choose what to “believe” whether visible proof is available or not. There are many things which are true, but can’t be seen. Everyone knows what dreams are, but can you place a dream inside a test tube to be scanned by an electron microscope? The wind which passes through the branches cannot be seen, but it can be felt and heard, does that make it any less real? During the times of Jmmanuel, people were barely able to read, write or think, therefore it was necessary to teach by “miracles” That time has passed, it is now necessary for man to use his brain to think about things and make determinations based on logic and common sense. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 557 Registered: 07-2009 |
> While I can't say for sure, I think the forum may have attracted some trolls who simply want to eat up other people's valuable time. Either that or they are simply lazy and unwilling/incapable of thinking things through for themselves…and want to eat up other people's time. | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 03-2007 |
Treason how about you do your own research and investigations and determine with your own mind if the Meier case is real or not , like most of us have done here. You can then come back here if you think the information in credible and ask more in depth questions about the material. There's more than enough proof and evidence if you take my suggestion seriously. There are no short cuts here and you will not be handed any proof or evidence on a silver platter. | ||
Blake_p Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2012 |
There are things published in Wendell Stephens book before some of the corroborated scientific evidence came out from scientists and also on theyfly Mr Horn had also put things up that had not even come to light yet. i will go back through and be more specific so you can research for yourself. When i first came to this subject a few years ago , i agree, that i wondered why Billy didn't just bring a rock from mars or the moon and if it didnt have a fusion crust on it ,it's irrefutable evidence that people can see and test,among other things but the more i researched and learned, i understood that simply convincing people through some evidence, one, most people still would find a way to convince themselves that it had been faked or simply lie to themselves because they are not ready, and the most important thing is that it would rob people of the revelations and all important cognitions that reading and exploring the unequivocally truthful and profound words that Billy has spilled out over the decades can bring to your consciousness. I am not only speaking about others but through my own experience. I think once you stop worrying about arguments from people who would be out of a job if one iota of the Meier case is true,and would do anything to keep talking about 50 yr old,75 yr old cases, lights in the sky,secret bases, and all types of other nonsense, you will see that no other case in history has the broad scope of information and the all important spiritual teaching, which hasn't and couldn't possibly be duplicated. My suggestion and i think what Michael was trying to get you to do is read through everything first and then try to go back to those skeptics.Just a suggestion. | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 139 Registered: 03-2007 |
Michael that troll you mentioned keeps posting the link to Derek's website. The so called investigative website into the Meier case. The same website that states that Billy Meier claims that he's the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. Even though Billy states Jesus Christ never existed. I've pointed that out to their webmaster and to Derek but obviously they have their own agenda. So if Treason/Derek wants to keep posting that link here then anyone with a little knowledge about the Meier material can see how many false claims and flat out lies are associated with that site. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 558 Registered: 07-2009 |
> Skeptics like Derek are having their last gasps. As the time fulfills, more and more people find the Meier case andthose that start digging, reading…thinking, are grateful that they found the truth and that it requires no beliefs. It also is immune form the incompetent, basically religious attacks from teh skeptics, which were necessary in their own way to help the controvwersy - and the discovery - along. Maybe we should send the skeptics a thank you gift…or a get well card. | ||
Abdjlos Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 01-2012 |
I am not trying to pick sides on the issue between everyone on this forum but i think this will clear this up. Treason as Scott said two thousand years ago the people were very limited in their ability to use reason and logic as well as intellect to their benefit and search for the truth. this is why Jmmanuel had greater use of his spiritual abilities and why his teachers taught how to use them more than his knowledge. they did this because they knew the people were incapable of thinking for themselves so he performed "miracles" more than spoke with knowledge. he spoke is parables to provoke thought and self thinking. Eduard was mostly given knowledge than the use of his abilities because there are more reasonable thinking people now.In todays time people think for themselves as well as seek and search for the truth. The reason why Eduard doesnt regrow back his arm is because he doesnt want to many people knocking down his door asking unnecessary question or wanting to submit him to science as a test monkey. Its just like why he said no when he was offered to extend his lifespan. Eduard did give physical evidence of his validity by showing the people he was able to bend quarters and spoons with the might of his consciousness among other things. Eduard doesnt just give the truth to people because as Jmmanuel said "it would be only worth half its value" people need to seek and search for the truth and when they have found it then they need to find out why it is true truth through their own reason and intellect then it becomes their knowledge and when applied through their daily life it becomes wisdom. this is what Eduard tries teach to the people but people are to afraid to seek and search and apply their knowledge in everyday use. Hope this clarifies things a little bit And to everyone who is getting upset with Treason just remember that you can give him the truth but its up to him whether he accepts. If you have done all that you can and he still does not see the light of your words and explanations the so be it. dont try and force the knowledge on him because then it will only make everything worse if he is not ready to accept it. There is a time for everything and right now might not be the time for him to accept what is being told to him. just remember ignorance is not permanent what is of permanence is truth which always comes to the surface no matter how deep it was buried under ignorance. Think of ignorance as sand when a strong wind blows it withers and exposes what was underneath it namely the truth. Salome It is Creations invisible and massive influence which as an unsolvable mystery brings about endless continuity and transformation. -ARAHAT ATHERSATA | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 204 Registered: 11-2008 |
Treason, Maybe you might find this YouTube channel about Figu of some interest. http://www.youtube.com/user/figutv?feature=results_main | ||
Ferbon Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 05-2012 |
Abdjlos No one is upset about the particular person, but about ignorance of people that behavior of this person manifests; people who mistakenly think the true knowledge is a given. You may learn soon enough, that you could have spent your time more wisely, instead of "throwing what's holy to the dogs". Salome | ||
Matthew Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 03-2011 |
Treason - Follow your logic through and imagine Billy had done all those things you suggest. What would you really make of that evidence? Your comments would probably read like this... 1) Billy's regrown arm; yes it attracts alot of attention. but the photos of him before he regrew his arm look photoshopped to me. Those medical records that supposedly prove that he once had one arm are not convincing and I would want to talk to the Doctor that examined him and have the medical record carbon dated before I can believe that he really regrew it back and even then how can I know that the Doctor wasn't part of the scam. 2) The fruits that Billy claimed were from earth trees extinct for AGES that were given to him by the Plejaren are just unknown fruit varieties stolen from some Cryptobotanist. 3) That video Billy made of bigfoot in Canada, where Bigfoot comes up to the camera and dances a jig with Billy are obviously a man in a suit - a simple Hollywood trick. 4) The video Billy made of blue people hiding underground are not convincing - just normal people painted up to look blue - hardly convincing. 5) That ancient artefact that Billy brought back from his time travels were tested by credited scientists and were shown to be only a few years old so he obviously got someone to make it. Salome, Matthew | ||
Kiwilove Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 02-2005 |
There are specific things that the Plejarens say - in which there is not the physical evidence (or reasoning) for. Examples that stand out to me: That Hitler was suppose to be of great help to the world - but was hijacked from this, via the Thule Society. That the Nazis did have flying saucers as such (which goes beyond other secret weapons, etc - such as having a stealth aircraft, and a rocket interceptor (Natter) and others...). The whole story about the Bafath / Giza Intelligences and the role they played in using world religions to deceive and mislead humankind. I am only starting to read about Nokodemion and the Arahat Athersata level information, etc - and the former is particularly hard to accept. And to say that Billy Meier has been the only human to have had continued contact with ETs - is one that the general public may find very difficult to believe? Add to this - that there will not be any colloborating evidence to support any of Billy's claims/etc within our lifetime - except only minor fragments here and there... And this is what followers of Billy Meier have to face - and accept. Because so much of what the public generally accepts now, is so much based upon misinformation and lies, etc etc. That the truth is shocking, strange, startling and very difficult to accept - currently. Harvey | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 561 Registered: 07-2009 |
> Actually, I think that with so much already corroborated scientific information from Meier, those who actually reason will be more open to considering the likelihood that the other, still unprovable information is credible. | ||
Ferbon Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 05-2012 |
Kiwilove hahah...is there anything like Meier's followers? where do we follow him to? He is a messenger and NOT guru/priest or anything of this sort of nonsense. He does whatever necessary to make you UNDERSTAND. Also, there is nothing, that you "have to face - and accept" - ...but simply use your brain and study. The truth isn't so much of a shock but rather astonishment. It all makes sense, as well as the fact, that some info can not be revealed for the safety and understanding level/evolution reasons. What is to be accepted? - Certainly the fact, that each human of Earth needs different time span to assimilate certain knowledge. No one should be shocked of the amount of knowledge there is, but rather take as much time as necessary to move on with it. The Nazi case is, by all means, one of the cases that should and will be thoroughly explained and understood. Just not anytime soon. Whether anyone likes it or not, it will probably take at least half a dozen centuries to even deal with this issue with milder tone of insanity. Salome |
