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    Ramirez Member Post Number: 754 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Corey, If anything what the contact notes and various publications establish is motive ..... why ? Why are were here and what's the big plan ? By offering evolution graduating into non physical form and why the container containing all the energy which surrounds us requires such a pathway explains that question somewhat without the added fairy tales and feel good if you believe this or that nonsense trotted out as a lure. So in a way it's an adult - mature minds motive wheras the cults offer a children's version to suit their own agenda though not surprisingly most children even of a very early age instinctively know the difference though are often powerless to resist against indoctrination and conditioning during their formative years though some do indeed create internal barricades insulating themselves against the babbling skyman gibberish and materialism dressed up as spirituality they are exposed to. For sure a few years to go ..... Cheers. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2308 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Joe, that is the time when this planet and solar system will be fully into the beginning of the Age of Aquarius. | ||
Billwilson12 Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 07-2013 |
From my understanding Jmmanuel had 12 men and 19 women and his children to bring his message forward, but it says that only four of the women understood. Does any one know what happen to them from the high german notes? 123OM | ||
Blake_p Member Post Number: 205 Registered: 07-2012 |
The Callings of the Companions – the Disciples and Disciplesses of Jmmanuel The first four and, later, the twelve disciples as well as the seventeen disciplesses were not constant companions of Jmmanuel. They continued to reside in their houses and went on working full-time as before. Most of them had families and lived like other normal citizens. The disciples and disciplesses of Jmmanuel did not follow him in the sense that they would have accompanied him constantly, for they really remained loyal, as said, to their work and to their families, as most of them had families and children. The disciples and disciplesses only followed Jmmanuel's teaching, when it says that they followed him. Only now and then, and thus seldom, was he accompanied by several or even by all of his disciples and disciplesses. Even Judas was not a constant companion of Jmmanuel, which is why also very many gaps and very many things, teaching parts and events are not described in his records. Berufungen der Begleiter resp. der Jünger und Jüngerinnen Jmmanuels Die ersten vier und später die zwölf Jünger sowie die siebzehn Jüngerinnen waren nicht dauernde Begleiter Jmmanuels. Sie wohnten weiterhin in ihren Häusern und arbeiteten hauptberuflich weiter wie vorher. Die meisten hatten Familien und lebten wie andere normale Bürger. Die Jünger und Jüngerinnen Jmmanuels folgten ihm nicht in dem Sinne nach, dass sie ihn dauernd begleitet hätten, denn tatsächlich blieben sie, wie gesagt, ihrer Arbeit und ihren Familien treu, denn die meisten hatten Familien und Kinder. Die Jünger und Jüngerinnen folgten nur Jmmanuels Lehre nach, wenn es eben heisst, dass sie ihm nachfolgten. Nur hie und da und also selten wurde er von mehreren oder gar von allen seinen Jüngern und Jüngerinnen begleitet. Auch Judas war kein Dauerbegleiter Jmmanuels, weshalb in seinen Aufzeichnungen auch sehr viele Lücken und sehr viele Dinge, Lehrteile und Vorkommnisse nicht beschrieben sind. He called his twelve male disciples and the seventeen female disciples and also his confidante, Mary Magdalene, and his mother to him and gave them the knowledge for controlling the unclean spirits (delusional constructions, delusional thoughts, etc.), so they could drive them out and so they would also be able to heal every sickness and shortcoming through the deep word (suggestion) and, thus, through the deep word penetrating into the spirit (consciousness) [hypnosis] and through all kinds of herbal drinks and ointments and salts. 2. These are the names of the twelve disciples: Simeon (Simon) called Petrus (Peter), and Andreas (Andrew), his brother; Jakobus (James), the son of Zebedäus (Zebedee), and Johannes (John), his brother; 3. Philippus (Philip) and Bartholomäus (Bartholomew); Thomas and Matthäus (Matthew), the tax collector; Jakobus (James), the son of Alphäus (Alphaeus), and Thaddäus (Thaddeus); 4. Simeon Kanaäus (Simon Canaaeus), and I, Judas Ischkerioth, the only one, other than Jmmanuel, who understands handwriting. 5. The names of the seventeen female disciples, apart from Maria (Mary), the mother of Jmmanuel, and Maria-Magdalena (Mary Magdalene), his confidante associated to him (confidante associated in friendship) are these: Judith, Sarah, Lea (Leah), Tabea (Tabitha), Susanne (Susan), Ruth, Rebekka (Rebecca), Recha (Recah), Rahel (Rachel), Esther, Naemi (Naomi), Martha, Mirjam (Miriam), Magdalena (Magdalene), Eva-Maria (Eve Mary), Elisabeth (Elizabeth) and Dalila (Delilah). 6. Jmmanuel sent forth these twelve male disciples and seventeen female disciples, commanding them and saying, "Do not go into the streets of the god-believers, and do not go to the scribes and Pharisees, but go into the cities of the Samaritans and to the unknowing in all directions unto the end of all the world (all around the world). 7. "Once I have left you, go to those who lack understanding and to the idol worshipers and the unknowing, and do so because they do not belong to the house of the god-believers, which, for over two times a thousand years and more, will bring death and bloodshed into the land and unto the end of the world (all around the world). 8. "Go out and teach and say, 'The laws of nature are the laws of Creation, and the power of the spirit of the human being (consciousness within human beings) embodies life on the firm (Earth), but be cautious in your doing of the teaching, for it should not be impelling (not be proselytizing).' Explanation: This speech was valid as a direction for the time of his work and also for the time after the joint learning time. They would have had the knowledge of healing in the form of suggestive and hypnotic influencing, but as a rule, they would have been able to bring it to use only in very few isolated cases because they did not train it or exercise it. Likewise, only a few learned herbalism; consequently, only a few were able to make and use healing herbal potions and herbal ointments and salts. Overall, among the twelve male disciples and seventeen female disciples as well as Jmmanuel's mother and his confidante, Mary Magdalene, there were only four women (Mary Magdalene, Esther, Eve Mary and Ruth) who dedicated themselves to herbalism, and with regard to suggestion, there were only Simon Peter and Judas Ischkerioth, who were able to influence human beings in this way, while hypnosis was not learned by any male disciple. Und er rufete seine zwölf Jünger und die siebzehn Jüngerinnen und auch seine Vertrauete Maria-Magdalena und seine Mutter zu sich und gebete ihnen das Wissen über die Beherrschung der unsauberen Geister (Wahngebilde, Wahngedanken usw.), dass sie diese austreiben könneten, also dass sie auch zu heilen vermögeten alle Krankheit und alles Gebrechen durch das tiefe Wort (Suggestion) und also durch das in den Geist (Bewusstsein) eindringende tiefe Wort (Hypnose) und durch allerlei Kräutergetränke und Salben und Salze. 2. Die Namen aber der zwölf Jünger sind diese: Simeon, genennet Petrus, und Andreas, sein Bruder; Jakobus, des Zebedäus Sohn, und Johannes, sein Bruder. 3. Philippus und Bartholomäus, Thomas und Matthäus, der Zöllner; Jakobus, des Alphäus Sohn, und Thaddäus. 4. Simeon Kanaäus und ich, Judas Ischkerioth, der ich als einziger neben Jmmanuel die Schrift verstehe. 5. Die Namen der siebzehn Jüngerinnen, nebst Maria, der Mutter Jmmanuels, und Maria- Magdalena, seine ihm verbundene Vertrauete (in Freundschaft verbundene Vertraute) sind diese: Judith, Sarah, Lea, Tabea, Susanne, Ruth, Rebekka, Recha, Rahel, Esther, Naemi, Martha, Mirjam, Magdalena, Eva-Maria, Elisabeth und Dalila. 6. Diese zwölf Jünger und siebzehn Jüngerinnen sendete Jmmanuel aus, gebietete ihnen und sprechete: «Gehet nicht auf der Gott-Gläubigen Strassen, und ziehet nicht zu den Schriftengelehreten und Pharisäern, sondern gehet hin zu der Samariter Städte und zu den Unwissenden in allen Himmelsrichtungen bis ans Ende aller Welt (rund um die Welt). 7. Gehet hin zu den Unverständigen und zu den Götzenanbetern und Unwissenden, und tuet auch so, wenn ich euch verlasset habe, denn sie gehören nicht zum Hause der Gott- Gläubigen, das da über mehr als zweimal tausend Jahre und mehr Tod und Blutvergiessen bringet in das Land und bis ans Ende der Welt (rund um die Welt). 8. Gehet also hin und lehret und sprechet: ‹Die Gesetze der Natur sind die Gesetze der Schöpfung, und die Kraft des Geistes des Menschen (Menschenbewusstseins) verkörpert das Leben auf der Feste (Erde); allso seied aber behutsam in eurem Tuen des Lehrens, denn nicht solle es treibend (nicht missionierend) sein.› | ||
Blake_p Member Post Number: 206 Registered: 07-2012 |
I forgot to put that this is not an official Figu translation and could contain errors. Hope this helps. | ||
Billwilson12 Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 07-2013 |
Hi Blake_p, Thank's for your write-up I turly need much knowledge. Getting as much herbal meds. info an essences oils that I can to be able help others. Finding the correct ways for the proper sciences for suggestive thoughts is hard to find. Lots of bad stuff on using plants to induce a effect, I know that this is not right. Was hoping to find in history the left out ones to try to study. Thanks to All OM 123OM | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 1008 Registered: 06-2008 |
Thanks for that post Blake_p Explains quite a lot all packaged into one post particularly about Maria Magdalena's role in the story. This from the start appeared to be authentic: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/gospelmary.html Maria and Miriam Magdelena ..... were these sisters ? So really there were 31 disciples in total and the part time nature of their association makes sense. Cheers. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 04-2013 |
Ramirez, This is an excellent read, thanks for sharing. Question: A couple of the articles suggest that Mary Magdalene was the founder of the early Christian church? There could be some early biblical translation errors, paraphrases or assumptions here, as we know that Mary Magdalene knew him as Jmmanuel; this leads to the Johannine Community as the beginning of the Christian Jewish church? “It is further posited that Mary Magdalene is the true founder and hero of what has come to be known as the Johannine Community (i.e., Mary Magdalene was one of the original apostolic founders and leaders of the early Christian church).” http://ramon_k_jusino.tripod.com/magdalene.html Johannine Christianity is a hypothetical ancient Christianity that placed great ... The Johannine community of the first century bequeathed to the universal church http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannine_Christianity | ||
Blake_p Member Post Number: 214 Registered: 07-2012 |
No problem,happy to help. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 1009 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Kenneth, It's an interesting proposition though maybe not possible due to the fact that Maria Magdelena was only able to read but not write which limited the possibilities though of course there might have been a situation where she dictated words whilst someone else wrote them down. But again if you examine the Gospel Of Mary: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/gospelmary2.html it appears some of the male disciples were jealous of her status and relationship with Jmannuel so after re-emerging from the cave event it's likely she had enemies and no protector. I contend that Immanuel probably advised her to leave the area to avoid danger and for whatever reasons he couldn't take her with him to Damascus because ..... Gabriel was giving him a ride meaning Maria had to board a ship which might have been a bit too much and ..... why only her and not the others ? Too many complications. So as a result no reliable records exist of her movements afterwards and it's for sure she didn't accompany Jmannuel to Kashmir because his companions were Thomas his brother, Judas Ischkerioth and Maria his mother. No-one else was mentioned and it's possible Maria Magdelena took his advice so was somewhere or other not able to be contacted 2 years later when the move to India was arranged. But unless we know her circumstances it's not possible to work out whether she had the capacity to write or have someone write Gospel Of John and make sure copies survived and were circulated. However all up Gospel Of Mary seems convincingly authentic due to two factors: 1. The actual dialogue sounds a lot like that which the present Billy Meier uses and subject matter he explains ..... it's unique compared to anything else. 2. Recently Billy Meier confirmed the close relationship of Jmannuel with Maria Magdalena so Gospel Of Mary makes sense from that perspective. Cheers. | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 08-2012 |
Thank you so much Blake for the excellent read! Salome with Love ~ Piyali | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 636 Registered: 12-2009 |
Blake: I can see your translation skills are developing quite nicely. The new TJ was a real eye opener, with lots of new information and explanations, wasn't it? I can really see it clearing up a lot of the mis-information between who Jmmanual was and what his teaching was, and who the non-existent Jesus Christ was never. Not a bad idea for someone to translate it either, hopefully this translation you speak of can become an official FIGU translation, like the Might of the Thoughts and the Psyche are, and God-delusion and God-insanity will be one day. My favorite passage is 14:25, this is the one that sticks with me on an almost daily basis because it resonates with me. Piyali: Salome, nice to see you posting again. Ramirez: you bring up some good points. Hopefully through Billy/Plejaren/AA, or later, when our planet develops time travel, we can fill in some of the blanks regarding Maria-Magdalena. According to the new TJ, Maria Magdalena was at the last meeting between Jmmanual and the disciples, and was 31 at that time, and after that Jmmanual was in Damascus (modern day Syria) before travelling to India, so the story doesn't really mention her again (going from memory here). Salome Corey Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Blake_p Member Post Number: 215 Registered: 07-2012 |
Corey, Yea, the new Talmud is pretty amazing but what else should we expect by now from Billy and our friends. What really struck me was the unbelievable amount of specific and detailed info that was added, I mean the intro is like a hundred pages,encompassing all kinds of explanations on the history of all religions and of course many other things. Definitely a must read, but now I understand why they let the other versions,with the incorrect religious assertions,etc. be allowed to be published and disseminated. With all the truth,not only about Jmmanuel's true will and testament,but about the other religions etc,I imagine people would have been lining up to once again extinguish Billy's life,furthermore,I imagine the powers that be behind many of these psychotic sects would have maneuvered against him as well. So I'm glad that it went down that way,if anything is true,Billy certainly deserves to live out his remaining years in as much relative peace as humanly possible. And I must add; credit for the translation goes to Benjamin Stevens, who has been working diligently for a while on this. And the way the translation effort went down,it was supposed to be a personal translation for someone but when i got involved I certainly didn't want it for just myself,so we couldn't make an official figu contracted effort but I have been in contact the whole time with CF with the material, and hopefully,my impression is that I will send him the completed version for correction and will be available for everyone at some point. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1136 Registered: 07-2005 |
Blake so are you saying that you were the person FIGU has contracted to do the revised translation of the newly anticipated Talmud of Jmmanuel (5th or 6th edition?)along with whoever is doing the translation besides Benjamin? Matt Lee | ||
Blake_p Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 07-2012 |
Matt lee; No not at all, it was supposed to be personal thing for another party to begin,so there was never a contract,so an unofficial,but approved project. But when I got involved, of course I wasn't going to spend thousands of dollars for myself to have a copy. So it is a round about way of getting this done,completely translated and Christian will have the completed copy,which I assume they will correct and hopefully be available to everyone. I would be shocked if figu Sw had a completed copy,in which they didn't have to spend any money,at least for the whole translation part and done pretty well from the feedback I've gotten,and didn't do something with it. But that is my gamble and hope. I would have gladly done it the other way but that's not how this worked out,so just trying to do what I can to help. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1149 Registered: 07-2005 |
Oh I see well good effort nonetheless Blake Its the little things that add up and count in the end | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 297 Registered: 11-2008 |
Blake_p, If I may ask, will the English translation of the new Talmud of Jmmanuel be available in PDF format? | ||
Foxy New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2014 |
Scot & Corey, Plz, what "new TJ" is Corey referring to in post 636? Has the new translation by Benjamin Stevens that Blake_P is referring to been published already? If it hasn't yet, is there at least an estimated date of publication? And if none of the above, then, could you plz, tell me, which of the available published English translations is considered to be the most accurate now? There's one by "Ziegler & Greene", and another by "Bridger House" available on Amazon. Are there any others? Where? Thank you | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 691 Registered: 12-2009 |
Foxy, The new TJ I was referring to is the TJ 2011 edition which contains updated explanations, and is currently German only. Billy, Ptaah, AA, and Plejaren language scientists had a hand in it. The translation of it, being done by Benjamin Stevens and Blake_P is not available yet, said to completed by the first of the year. https://figu.org/shop/b%C3%BCcher/talmud-jmmanuel Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 618 Registered: 08-2010 |
Thanks for that update Corey! I'm really looking forward to reading it. Salome and special thanks to Blake_p and Benjamin Stevens! Eddie | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 08-2012 |
Yes, me too - looking forward to the Talmud translation. A warm thank you and Salome from me as well to Blake_p and Benjamin Stevens! Salome with Love ~ Piyali | ||
Hendrikus1970 Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 04-2009 |
I was thinking about this the Plejaren language scientists ,cant they do that to all reports and the OM super fast in all languages and then put that up the net asp? or drop them in real books worldwide used with material not know to us. and could the Plejaren not make a movie of the history of earth and its prophets and use techniques not know to us,so nobody can say its a fake? | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 693 Registered: 12-2009 |
"Do not ask the prophets to give signs (marvels) and miracles (outstanding things) as proof of their truthteaching, because their honest word and their true teaching shall be sufficient evidence for you." "Fragt nicht die Propheten, dass sie als Beweis ihrer Wahrheitslehre Zeichen (Wundersamkeiten) und Wunder (Überragendes) tun sollen, denn ihr ehrhaftes Wort und ihre wahrliche Lehre soll euch Beweis genug sein." -source: "Goblet of the Truth" 3:54 Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 |
