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Sarah
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Post Number: 59
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2011 - 12:07 pm: | 
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The only issue will be in figuring out exactnly what is it is. I read the basic summary of what it is in futureofmankind. Its not as confusing as I thought it would be, though it still takes some mind stretching.
To put your mind back in line with creation, can you get to a point where you simply don't have to memorize it anymore? |
Edward
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Post Number: 2299
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2011 - 01:31 am: |
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Hi Zanderson....
As to what I can remember from the past, is that Billy was not really that
fond of the word 'hope'.
I think he preferred - Positive Consequence(s) -, or something.
Instead of saying 'good hope for tomorrow'...it would be best to say 'Positive
Consequence(s) for tomorrow'(-example).
Thus, we are ALWAYS dependent on Consequence(s - Cause and Effect)...to
direct us in a positive direction, or whatever the case may be.
We should indeed, not generate 'hope'...but: Positive Consequence(s).
Edward. |
Thomas
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Post Number: 35
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, December 31, 2011 - 03:37 am: |
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Here below is a quote from Dan Fry which I find to be appropriate in this section since it applies to the Meier case as well as to the spirit teaching.
"There is no such thing as absolute proof of anything," he says, "proof is merely evidence of a nature and degree sufficient to bring conviction to the mind."
-Daniel Fry |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 592
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Monday, January 02, 2012 - 06:58 pm: |
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Eddie: “- Is the human being not his own admonisher, adviser and forgiver? The human being, as I have thus learned, must direct the changes he seeks within his own being (inner nature) by commanding (instructing/informing) his consciousness through prayer (conversation with self) so that through the power of his consciousness/spiritform, the change can be made effective.”
Hi Eddie
I think you can simplify it even further…
Change for improvement is brought about by a person’s own inner strength and the might of their thoughts. Page147, Macht der Gedanken by Billy
The interesting thing about changes for improvement, according to Billy, is that it never really ends. In all neutral-positive-well-balanced, optimistic thinking and behaviour of a person is hope, enthusiasm and striving by which all that is humanly conceivable can be mastered sooner or later. Hence, these values must be practiced on and on, so that they remain constantly effective. And as Billy also points out, all societal changes such as peace, freedom and harmony are also dependent on the continuous improvement of each single individual. Hence, the person should always never give in, no matter how awkward and negative the circumstances and situations are. With help of the strength of one’s own consciousness and all developed positive abilities, as well as by the might of thoughts which is built up by all consciousness forces and abilities, all oncoming problems and difficulties can be recognized, analyzed and remedied to be better, more positive and to advance from it.
Billy outlines a seven-point strategy in dealing with problems, troubles, mistakes, etc. in Macht der Gedanken:
1) With problems, troubles and mistakes they must always be contained so that they are not pointless or simply negative, but that they also have an appreciable positive and evolutive value.
2) With problems, difficulties and mistakes a creative and constructive solution must always be searched which is also advanced and positive.
3) To think neutral-positive-equalized also means always objectively, realistically, enthusiastically, and to be hopeful and optimistic.
4) Problems, difficulties and mistakes are facts of life and progress, consequently the person grows in this and becomes strong and the quality of life increases.
5) Problems, weaknesses, difficulties and mistakes must be searched for their vulnerabilities to penetrate into them there and to analyze them to work out the necessary solutions and changes etc.
6) Problems, mistakes and difficulties are for the consciousness and thoughts what physical exercises are for the muscles; strength and power are generated by both forms.
7) By the strength of own consciousness and by the might of thoughts the person becomes ready for all problems, mistakes and difficulties. So the person must in every respect trust in themselves and in their own strength and power.
Pages 209-210, Macht der Gedanken, by Billy
Regards
Bob |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 337
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - 10:21 am: |
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Hello Bob,
I learn something new from/of Billy everyday!
This teaching from Billy sets the correct frame of mind for all that life has to throw our way. And certainly, as I have learned in my studies, this existence is all about ups and downs. This is what stirs us into action, gives experience which later turns into wisdom from trial and errors. What I find of interest is Billy's 7 points.
(?) I would like to better understand what Billy meant by "neutral-positive-equalized" - it is the word "equalized" that has me wondering. Is this in reference to maintaining oneself neutral-positive at all times, or, apply oneself neutral-positive in approach, thought, analysis and action (as in number 5)?
Number 6 contains a rather powerful and empowering insight!
Number 7 makes me want to tackle my problems, mistakes and difficulties with optimism (just to see what I learn, discover and evolve from them). Funny that all the prophets have referred to this as taking responsibility for oneself correct?
Salome,
Eddie
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Jacob
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Post Number: 815
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - 04:21 pm: |
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....Taking responsibility for oneself is essential because the human is the center of all his thoughts, feelings and actions, which are bound by the laws of cause and effect, so they affect everything in their reach.
One is accountable for all those positive and negative effects and making sure that the endresult is neutral-positive.
Example: If you throw a ball through a window and break the glass, you replace the broken window, its really that simple.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 593
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 04, 2012 - 08:38 pm: |
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Eddie: “I would like to better understand what Billy meant by "neutral-positive-equalized" - it is the word "equalized" that has me wondering.
A better translation might be well-balanced or just “balanced”. So try “neutral-positive-balanced.”
Eddie: “Is this in reference to maintaining oneself neutral-positive at all times, or, apply oneself neutral-positive in approach, thought, analysis and action (as in number 5)?”
Both. This is an adaptive life-style requiring awareness of how thoughts are thought, how they are maintained and how to reap their benefits. Thoughts have their own creative energetic force so be careful where you point that thing. It’s helpful to read a user’s manual. Try Billy’s Macht der Gedanken. Dyson and Vivienne have been working on an English translation which should be finished in the near future if your German is nicht so gut.
Regards
Bob |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 338
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 12:10 am: |
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Jacob and Bob, thanks.
My German right now ist nicht sehr gut. But I just realized that I'm able to recognize the words I'm learning to speak. Nice to see their spelling.
(?) Regarding #6: By "thoughts" it means (for example) solution/problem-solving, impacts one's own evolution?
6) Problems, mistakes and difficulties are for the consciousness and thoughts
what physical exercises are for the muscles;
strength and power are generated by both forms.
Salome,
Eddie
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Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 594
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 09:31 am: |
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Eddie: "Regarding #6: By "thoughts" it means (for example) solution/problem-solving, impacts one's own evolution?"
Yes, surely. I know at first it may seem contrary to human nature since we naturally seek peace and harmony and avoid problems at all costs but it is the truth, nonetheless. The Plejarens are considered far more evolved spiritually, they live in a peaceful and harmonious society, yet we see in the contact notes where Ptaah states how he welcomes problems because it affords him the opportunity to grow and learn. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to find out that some people may actually create their own problems sub-consciously if their life is too sedentary, just so they could fix them, although I personally wouldn’t recommend that. The best way to get rid of a problem is to create a larger problem. So, if your own problems are not challenging enough for you, take on the problems of those around you; your family, your friends, your community, your society. Find that cure for cancer.
Regards
Bob |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 339
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Friday, January 06, 2012 - 01:01 pm: |
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Thanks Bob, Jacob,
If I may, I would like a bit of clarity for my understanding. It is with the # 6 still.
6) Problems, mistakes and difficulties are for the consciousness and thoughts what physical exercises are for the muscles; strength and power are generated by both forms.
(?) Wherein it says "strength and power are generated by both forms." What is meant by "both forms?" Is Billy speaking of the consciousness and thoughts, or, is he speaking of the 'forms' of challenge/difficulty experienced by the muscles with exercise and the consciousness & thoughts with problems, mistakes and difficulties?
Thank you for your help.
Salome,
Eddie
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Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 595
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Friday, January 06, 2012 - 08:38 pm: |
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The latter. |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 341
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 10:16 am: |
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Thanks Bob,
Just one final question on #6.
NOTE: Billy's "seven-point strategy" has opened up another series of potential cognitions for me. It has added to my entire perspective on this existence of mine. I'm realizing, that from these seven points, something is coming together (in my mind) that is useful in my day to day life, my ambitions and goals. How I want my personality and my life to grow, evolve and learn from this incarnation.
I would like to understand why Billy used the word "thoughts" and not "thinking?"
For example, instead of saying 'consciousness and thoughts' that he would say 'consciousness and thinking.'
(?) Does Billy mean that in the process of problem-solving (thinking?), we come to the solution (thought?) whereby we exerted creative energy in the process? That the solution is effective whereas the thinking is affective? Is this part correct?
(?) Is this what is meant by #2 ("a creative and constructive solution must always be searched") in that the "search" part is affective?
Thank you again.
Salome,
Eddie
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Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 596
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 05:46 pm: |
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Eddie: "I would like to understand why Billy used the word "thoughts" and not "thinking?" For example, instead of saying 'consciousness and thoughts' that he would say 'consciousness and thinking.'"
Hi Eddie
Thinking is multiple thoughts in succession. So thinking is thought(s).
Regards
Bob |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 655
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 10:54 pm: |
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Hi Eddie,
"it is the word "equalized" that has me wondering."
This may refer to an equalization of brain hemispheric activity, because after all the brain provides the consciousness with it's day to day operational capacity.
Just as some of Billy's written works contain mathematical formulas which trigger certain responses in the mind when the words are read so equally similar mathematical formula are encoded into various pieces of music both classical and modern, with or without words or in combination.
Just as the silent voice in your mind which speaks the words it reads produces a harmonic resonance in the center of your head so equally can certain music most especially if listened to through stereo headphones or earphones.
Where do these codes originate ..... from the minds of composers, but where did the composers obtain access to such codes ?
Usually via several methods. Accessing their own or other areas of the storage banks or they might have awoken with a head full of musical ideas, or spontaneously during some period of creative activity such as scribbling notes on a napkin whilst eating at a cafe ..... many variations.
Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Wagner are prime examples, there are many more.
If you search Youtube dial in the words:
Holst, The Planets, Jupiter, Gran Canaria Philharmonic Orchestra, or an easier solution might be to use this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wujqes0XUk
It's 8.05 minutes.
However some other versions - interpretations are also perfect.
Timing, rhythm and synchronization are crucial factors.
With a stabilized functioning of activity through the corpus callosum the mind becomes capable of many things .... it opens the door to possibilities.
It might be worthwhile downloading or watching various orchestras performing certain pieces of pleasant music ..... study the faces of musicians who are absorbed with their activity. They will reveal quite a lot.
Try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjAX9w74TmA
3.35 minutes.
Cheers.
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 343
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2012 - 10:20 am: |
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Hello Bob and Ramirez,
I am making a personal observation, connection and wanting to gain certain cognitions as these seven point strategies correlate with Goblet of Truth chapter 20. When we place the Seven-Point Strategies next to chapter 20, we see that many of the verses expound on the seven points. Make the comparison for yourselves. The empowerment that comes from a cognitive understanding of these two works is magical in every sense.
I feel however that we should consider the following definitions as they may lead to the desired cognitions.
THINKING
Adjective:
Using thought or rational judgment; intelligent: "a thinking man".
Noun:
The process of using one's mind to consider or reason about something: "they have done some thinking about welfare reform".
Synonyms:
adjective. thoughtful - rational - reflective
noun. thought - mind - opinion - meditation - reflection - idea
THOUGHT
Noun:
An idea or opinion produced by thinking or occurring suddenly in the mind: "Mrs. Oliver's first thought was to get help".
An idea or mental picture, imagined and contemplated: "the mere thought of Peter made her see red".
Synonyms:
idea - notion - mind - thinking - opinion - reflection
Thanks for your input and help.
Salome,
Eddie
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 345
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2012 - 10:06 am: |
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Hello Bob and Ramirez,
I am making a personal observation, connection and wanting to gain certain cognitions as these seven point strategies correlate with Goblet of Truth chapter 20.
Here is the following definitions for consideration.
THINKING
Adjective:
Using thought or rational judgment; intelligent: "a thinking man".
Noun:
The process of using one's mind to consider or reason about something: "they have done some thinking about welfare reform".
Synonyms:
adjective. thoughtful - rational - reflective
noun. thought - mind - opinion - meditation - reflection - idea
THOUGHT
Noun:
An idea or opinion produced by thinking or occurring suddenly in the mind: "Mrs. Oliver's first thought was to get help".
An idea or mental picture, imagined and contemplated: "the mere thought of Peter made her see red".
Synonyms:
idea - notion - mind - thinking - opinion - reflection
[7:-)
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Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 597
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Monday, January 09, 2012 - 03:31 pm: |
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Hi Eddie,
Wiederholung ist die Mutter des Studiums, (Repetition is the mother of study).
It is a characteristic feature of Billy‘s writings that a lot of repetition appears based on the fact that a person learns by repetitions - that which one hears over and over again makes the most lasting impression. And by such, one can take up new knowledge, seriously think about it, examine it, question, argue with, and, in the end, to come along, understand and to actually own knowledge from what at last an iota of wisdom arises. So only through continuous repetitions again and again with new words, sentences and related ideas, can the process of understanding appear. As Brigitt Keller of FIGU once put it, Billy can sing a song with unending refrain in all pitch.
Regards
Bob |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 348
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 12:56 am: |
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Hello Bob,
Very well put; repetition. It is what makes learning this so easy. Billy paints the understanding in 3-D. The principle of repetition is an integral part of martial arts study; so I'm well aware of its effective application. I personally cannot wait to study in German.
Salome,
Eddie
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Davidmg
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Post Number: 102
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 01:30 am: |
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> > > > Destiny can be deterimed by your actions or inactions by you and you > alone. External influences are just that .... external. Which will > have an affect on your destiny base on you reaction , action or > inaction. Destiny starts with your thoughts. After many cycles (hours, > days, years) this can forge the thinking in our in your conciousness > that will eventually be played out in your daily life throught our > words or actions. Be it with in your house or outside where you live > or in your job. Day after day and year after year these thoughts get > built up in your conciousness and eventually form part of your > personality which is also apart of what we call habits be it good > habits or not so good habits. It all depends on how these thoughts > have been formed in the first place from internal as well as external > events and processes. If you have violent thoughts they will most > undoubtedly cause you and others great sorrow and misery. We have > met... so, I know that is not you. This can also be seen in nature > through the cycles of plants. Depending what you feed the plant, this > will result in the purity and/or health of the plant. And therefore > will affect the next life of the plant (aka the seed). The same can be > said for anyone in this life and for the next life. Depending on how > someone feeds their conciouness, this most certainly will have an > affect on the physical and mental health of that persons life, and > therfore also can affect the seed of the next life (aka > re-incarnation). Sometime but not always you can see it in the faces > of people. Some have rough, angry, sad or fearfull looking faces > showing that they have lived a very difficult life for which they have > reacted or not reacted to events in their life. While others do not. > Regardless of who we are, each moment in our life has to be looked > carefully without fear so we can determine what type of course our > spirit's needs to evolve to best of it's ability and to enhance our > current existance for this life and our next. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Please do not change or remove the following line: > /13/1159/57676/davidmg/co9vOOGHKncS. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > >
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Post Number: 563
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Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 01:54 am:
on the topic of destiny:
how does one determine their destiny?
what if events from previous lifetimes are building up to a current destiny of that person?
is it something that is full of experiences, seeing, dreaming, sensing etc?
when coincidence ter coincidence occurs, and patterns, clear patterns form?
i have patiently waited for 7 years to make sense of many events in my life, and recently, having a slightly more developed point of view, have come to some great realizations in my life.
i hope other people too, also gain a good grasp on what they wish out of life, and how they will apply their focussed energies.
it brings me joy to know my destiny. Use this link to go directly to the discussion: Jump to this page To change your e-mail notification settings, click the following link to edit your profile: Edit your profile ------------------------------------------------------------ INSTRUCTIONS FOR POSTING A REPLY BY E-MAIL:
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Johnnybalmain
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Post Number: 154
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2012 - 03:33 am: |
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Hello all,
Could someone point me in the right way to find any techniques, methods, practises, directions, lessons and/or meditations that help a person learn to control one's thoughts.
Peace John. |
Davidmg
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Post Number: 119
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 10:01 pm: |
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For starters you can see the following site has the beginnings and introductions of many text by Billy and his contacts. But the real worth is that of Billy's writing which are written in German.
http://www.theyfly.com/spiritual-teaching
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Spirit_Teaching
Also digging in the form can also be of value.
Davidmg
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Johnnybalmain
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Post Number: 155
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - 01:21 am: |
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Thanks David. Just thought I would ask to see if anyone had something to add. I am meditating everyday and continue to question thoughts of a negative nature to source their origin. It is an interesting journey filled with disappointment and success.
Peace John |
Melissa
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 01-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2012 - 07:27 am: |
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Hi John,
Here is a link which you might like, or all ready know about.
http://ca.figu.org/Meditation.html#Meditation
-Melissa
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