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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 433
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2012 - 12:38 am: | 
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Schantz,
Don't recall the exact CR(s) but they shouldn't be too hard to find considering that it should be the recent ones where Obama is discussed.
Too far above Romney to be touched by him.
Yes, very serious.
Salome,
Eddie
[7:-)
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Corey
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Post Number: 294
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 - 07:58 pm: |
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Well as far as Billy and the Plejaren having a different dialogue with us if they knew Romney was going to win, they weren't having different dialogues with us back when Bush was successfully cheating to win his elections. Remember back in the Bush days Billy actually said wwIII had already started (invasion of Iraq), and FIGU released a statement on the FIGU Society USA website saying when they come for you it's okay to act in self defense of your country etc., it wasn't until Obama that Billy said he possessed the personality to prevent wwIII, hence a turning point that gave so many of us optimism for the future.
Now with Romney Billy made a clear warning: "Also ein knallharter Machtgieriger, der als Regierender alles Böse vom Stapel brechen lassen kann, wenn er ans Ruder kommen sollte." "So he is an explosively hard might greedy one who can - as a ruler - take the first opportunity to bring forth everything evil should he come to take the rudder." All we can really do is go with that, a warning should it come to pass that Romney wins.
All I got to say is Obama's significant leads in Ohio, Florida, Nevada, and Michigan all vanished after the debate. And the edge in the national polls, gone. Prior to the debate, people were really turned of by the 47% comment Romney made, Obama was kicking ass, and now Romney has advantages is several states that Obama was leading in, my people of these numbers are rooting for a psychopath...
I never read the CR's that state Obama has an advanced spirit form, but that doesn't help if he loses the election because the general public is lapping up what is being spun on the media, and not lapping up what is NOT being spun (Romney plans of war with Iran/Syria, ex Bush advisors and PNAC advisors in Romney camp, religious delusion and fanatacism).
I'm not saying Obama can't win, all I'm saying is today, it doesn't look good. With one more debate to go, Obama is going to have to shut out Romney to try and recover a bit at the last minute, in an essence, play the ridiculous game of politics. Since we won't know who won or lost the election until November 7th, it's pointless to get worked up now. All we can do is look forward to the next debate and hope Barack owns it. If Romney wins the election, there will be nothing we can do about it. I was for impeaching Bush, I'll be for impeaching Romney and it's that simple.
If Obama wins the election, I'm going to celebrate somehow,  it looked so good prior to the debate, I mean just 36% of the people thought Romney was going to win. I thought we had nothing to worry about. Flash forward to today, and soon Billy's warnings about Romney could come frighteningly true if Romney wins, which is just Billy fulfilling his role as a prophet one more (largely unnoticed) time. This could be one more example of how earth humans elect a leader which does not fulfill the will of the people, wars out of retaliation, and walks over dead bodies when he's done. At least in future incarnations the mothers of the new millennium will slowly take charge and put arrogant, destructive, power hungry men in the back seat when it comes to leadership positions.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Parik
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 07:57 am: |
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Long time studier of the Billy Meier case and FIGU - the one adage that I remember from the case is that you don't believe anything but come to your own conclusion using reasoning and logic.
As a person who follows politics and the media closely, I am going to have to disagree with the Plejarens on this one. Just like the media supported and propagandized for Bush, they are doing it for Obama.
The debate exposed Obama clearly for a person who doesn't know what he is talking about or has a clue. He unfortunately is a product of affirmative action (which is now being debated in a case before the US supreme court). If Romney is a sociopath per Plejarens, then what is Obama?
He displays a narcissism and anger as well. He believed he can just show up and debate without understanding issues or new plans (he spouts slogans, platitudes, etc), he has made many comments to arouse racial demagoguery that suits his needs (Henry Gates, Trayvon Martin, all the videos of him talking to black audiences, his membership in a racist church, amnesty for illegal immigrant children 5 mos before Election day).
He himself suffers from delusions of grandeur, and clearly has had identity crises himself - going by Barry, Barry Soetoro, and evidence points out that he may himself be bisexual or gay but needs to cover it up. Not that i care if someone is gay or not. I just want someone who is competent and willing to do the work to lead. Obama loves to campaign and fundraise, but not actually do the work of being a leader. He is being held accountable for the first time in his life, and he doesn't like it. Having no teleprompter, he is helpless, much like Bush was (though Bush was an utter and complete disaster).
Romney all throughout his life has demonstrated that he is willing to do the work and has had success in both public and private life. At the same time, he has helped many people personally on his own and without trying to brag about it or look pious. This guy doesn't need to do this, and his wife didn't want to but saw how bad it was getting for the country. As for people commenting on how Romney was a bully, are you serious? Don't watch British Parliament, or many other countries gov'ts in the world. He was effective, commanding, and had a grasp of information. He didn't need a teleprompter or platitudes/slogans. Obama is using Big Bird as his rebuttal, are you serious? Chicago political machine is some of the worst - they have attempted to paint Romney as felon, a murderer, a tax cheat, a plutocrat - but when unfiltered in front of 70million people, Obama was exposed for what he is.
I ask you if Obama is better, then why does he support illegal immigration so much? His policies of looking the other away, and actually suing states from enforcing the immigration laws his own admin ignores is destructive and will lead to the Billy's prophecy of civil wars in the US. He has pandered to hispanics when convenient, and when he goes to colleges to influence the gullible minds of college kids who don't know how the real word works yet. I mean if Romney is psychopath then Obama is equally one as well.
I remember reading in the overpopulation documents, that mass immigration that leads to changing a country's population should not be allowed. Hispanics have only become such a demographic player through allowing a majority of legal immigrants to be hispanic and the subsidization of increasing their numbers (for healthcare, education infratstructure, food stamps)by the rest of the nation. We are subsidizing our own extinction. We are now finding that the DHS under Obama is even ignoring past policy of not allowing legal immigrants who will become public charges.
Again, with the past record of Obama on these issues, I can't support him, and his debate performance just exposed that he doesn't know what he is talking about or does he care as much. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 569
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 11:10 am: |
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> Please, please spare us idiotic, regurgitated media and internet drivel. I DIDN'T vote for either candidate in the last election but it should be clear to any intelligent person that Obama is head and shoulders above the political, power-hungry slime that opposes him. As far as intelligence goes, he's clearly a better thinker than any of them. Certainly people understand that, at best, unless you're a REAL insider (such as the Bushes were, and perhaps Romney is) you will have to do as the powers behind you demand…or get the JFK treatment. |
Earthling
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Post Number: 649
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 12:57 pm: |
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Parik,
I agree; Obama performed horribly in the debate. That besides not being prepared, he should still be able to debate off the cuff, if he really understood the issues inside & out. So this should raise ones eyebrow and it did mine.
However, you go way too far and you are merely repeating drivel of the Obama smear campaign that has been in full effect for over 4 years now and that you have obviously swallowed without using 'reasoning and logic' that you yourself cite is necessary to come to ones own conclusion. Then you puke up nonsense propagated by the Rush Limbaughs and other irrational, illogical, hateful, biased, moronic talking heads.
Not to mention that your assessment and viewpoint of Romney throughout his life is shallow, hollow, rationalized, blind and one-sided.
Bruce
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Parik
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 01:35 pm: |
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Michael - I have to disagree, the media doesn't report any of this, only when they are forced to - Obama has no idea what he is doing. what has he done prior to running for presidency - barely serve in the Senate, didn't do much as a state senator from Illinois, and prior to that a community organizer that just used racial demagogeury to pander, give me a break.
He panders to every audience, it's disgraceful. Blacks will only support him based on color, even though by allowing illegal immigration to continue it affects them and other poor/middle class legal citizens the most. He enacts an admin amnesty sidestepping the will of the people 5 months before the election because he needs Hispanics.
It's unbelievable what he and his political operatives from Chicago have done. Even in his political runs prior to being president, they have character assassinated their opponents. Look up Axelrod's previous campaigns.
And it appears, thanks to congressional hearings, the killing of the US ambassador was not from a spontaneous protest of a barely known trailer video of an Anti-Islam video. There was no protest to begin with, and the ambassador warned the admin many times over that he feared for his life. They didn't give him security he requested, and after the killing and knowing about what really happened, they went out to the media, UN, etc. and lied about it.
As for better thinker, have you seen Obama off the cuff or without a teleprompter, he sounds clueless and pretends like he knows what he is talking about. Put him in front of a teleprompter with words written by someone else, and he can sell it, but take it away, forget about it.
He even read the speech of the Ireland P.M. at the time in full (someone had accidentally placed the Irish pm's speech in the teleprompter) and thanked himself, not realizing what just had happened. I mean it's beyond ridiculous what the chicago political machine comes up with. They're bleating about Big Bird instead of real plans. The Obama admin have nothing else to run on.
I hope there is a fair election process but just as Bush undermined the elections previously, I am afraid that Obama and co. will do something to subvert the process to stay in power. Early voting even before the first debate is downright sad, as you have uninformed electorate and that's what he depends on. Look at all the negative advertising he threw out there during the summertime to create a caricature of Romney. But once the people saw Romney was not that caricature, and saw that Obama had no clue how to debate, the curtain was drawn away.
And what regurgitated media & internet drivel? A majority of the mainstream media supports Obama and covers for him. I've been watching, and it's downright sad (just like they did for Bush), they are doing the same for Obama. That's why he looked shocked at the debate - he was actually being held accountable, instead of tossed softballs.
The media doesn't hold him accountable for his policies for illegal immigration and ask him how that hurts the most vulnerable legal citizens - the poor/lower middle class, the ones he purports he defends and supports. He instead panders to Hispanics on it because he knows he needs them more than black people (a majority (98% based on a recent poll) who will vote for him based on skin color than actual merit) Please tell me how that shows he cares and is above the political, power-hungry slime. Allowing illegal immigration to occur will create the civil war and eventual ethno-states. You've even stated that previously in your 2004 dvd. By adding more and more dependents en masse, you will sink the ship.
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Hawaiian
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Post Number: 101
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 01:51 pm: |
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People often do not fully appreciate the vastly superior technological edge the Plejarens have over Earthly scientists in many fields (estimated of being over 8,500 years ahead), thus when they say Mitt Rommey is a psychopath, it is a generalization concept that we can easily digest. However I believe a much more comprehensive analysis has been conducted to include risk analysis, vibrational and aural interpretation as well as subconscious in balance and future predictive analysis and its frequency connections/impulsive attributes that all of his stored former personalities have “contributed” to his overall material consciousness-psyche and to also evaluate his other spiritual connections (if any?) of the gemut, spiritual conscious, subconscious etc…etc..etc.
The Plejarens have the capacity to look into the future and keeping such events a secret as not to interfere with political events on Earth. Michael is accurate in his assessment that those who “step over the red line) of the true power brokers in Earthly affairs, will get the “JFK treatment”.
Unfortunately the vast majority of television viewers (70 million) who watched this debate have been swayed by visual and sound cues along with non-verbal cues since most of the movies are done for “Hollywood effects”; the victory is always portrayed as dominating his “opponent”. Unfortunately Obama did not spend enough time working on his acting skills as Reagan did and the reason why he got elected. You know sometimes one needs to act like a S.O.B. and get his/her hands dirty, just to get in the “club” as to make the necessary appropriate changes to a rather bleak and degenerative environment that threatens (WW3) the entire world.
I sometimes find fault in the Plejarens “hands off” approach bewildering and will write a rather detailed case study in a short time from now that will certainly provoke additional comments from those who hold them at a too high esteem, often flawless at times. |
Parik
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 02:06 pm: |
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Earthling - have you seen Obama off the teleprompter - he comes off as someone who has no idea what he is doing. The media did not vet him in the least to what they have done for other candidates and i've been watching since 2000 after I saw what a disaster Bush was.
I have studied and looked over many of the reports on Obama's upbringing and who were his influences many of which are not covered by the main stream media. Many of them are socialists, marxists, or ultra left wing types. Again nothing wrong w/ socialism, but it shaped his character tremendously, and his philosophy is affecting his domestic policies tremendously.
He just now dedicated a Cesar Chavez monument in California. Why is this significant? Cesar Chaves opposed illegal immigration as it hurt his own legal workers very much. What has Obama done in the past 4 years? He has enacted policies to ignore illegal immigration practically. He has allowed it to continue w/ minimal enforcement, and has given amnesty by executive fiat to illegal immigrant "children". When you have 25 million unemployed/underemployed citizens, how can you do this? It's called pandering and it's very shallow. How about his signing of a bill for student loans that would expire a couple of months before this next election? He made it clear that he would only sign it back then if it expired in 2012, before the next election. Why? because he needs it to pander to college students.
He needs uninformed groups to win. Look at howard stern's video clips interviewing obama supporters in 2012 (yes there were supporters of Bush like that too) - but it shows you what he also depends on.
As for Romney, tell me what he has done in his life that makes you pause or give doubt. The guy is not a silver spoon candidate like Bush was (who was a real idiot and only got things because of his father). The guy worked his way up in the private sector at Bain Consulting, then started a spin-off that made consulting have a stake in the companies rather than just make money off consulting. It helped turn around a few businesses, and yes it couldn't help all of the them. But that is the U.S. free market system. If you have an idea/service that is valued in the market, then you will get paid for that.
He also was republican gov of the very liberal state - massachussetts where he was able to balance the budget in all 4 years, and worked w/ an 87% dem majority to bring what he could for the people of that state. Something called bipartisanship, not like what happened with the national healthcare bill. And can you believe this, the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi - said that we have to pass the bill first, then see what's in it. Really?? how sad are our current leaders.
He helped turn around the 2002 olympics after it had been hit with a scandal, and was desperately in the red. It also was after 9/11, and the nation was spiritually hurt, and the whole world was watching. The security around that event... i can't imagine the amount of stress that could have placed on the organizers including Romney. But it was successful.
He loves his wife very much (much more than i've seen with other politicians and their wives), and has helped her through the struggles of MS and Cancer. He clearly loves his children, and has helped many others in his community as a pastor and even as a businessman. He never talks about it. People had to come and give testimonials about his work with their families and his charity. He doesn't brag about it, or used it politically unlike other politicians I have seen over the years.
He is a moderate if I've ever seen one compared to the way the media tries to make him look like he's a plutocrat/Thurston Howell character.
What have you found out about him that would give pause? I would like to really know. No one is perfect, I agree(even Obama closed with that @ the debate) but what he's done throughout his life shows me more than what we've heard about Obama which has been vague at best thanks to a compliant media. |
Scott
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Post Number: 2320
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 03:33 pm: |
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Please remember this topic is related to complaints regarding the Plejarens...a little latitude is permissible, but please try and incorporate into the dialogue some ideas related to the topic. |
Schantz
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Post Number: 147
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 04:03 pm: |
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Parik,
You're right!
Mitt ain't no senators son. Just a poor old governors son.
Have you ever heard of Fox News? They share the same love fest as you do for Romney. |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 488
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 04:32 pm: |
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Parik, yeah he loves his wife so much that he makes her shut off the hot water tank when she leaves the house. Sounds like a dictator to me. And he probably had a helping hand in giving her the struggles with MS and cancer. Born with a silver spoon and doesn't understand what it's like to be poor. Good 'ole fart in a mitt.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 570
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 04:40 pm: |
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> Please remember that these people are ALL politicians. The kind of pressure on any of them, especially anyone who actually is trying to do things to benefit the average human being, is intense. As for Chicago, I grew up there and am familiar with the primarily Democrat run machine. I did happen to see a video that Obama gave, without a teleprompter, in a church regarding believers and…non-believers. The man is far and away more intelligent than most people realize. To even ascend to the office of the presidency when you're an intelligent, decent, NOT politically powerful individual is an amazing feat.
> Again, there ARE powerful interests who use them all for their own agenda…that's part of the ugly game of politics. But it's beyond infantile for people to blame Obama (or actually any president) for every little, and sometimes even big, thing that goes wrong. Unfortunately, we may well learn too late that it's far more preferable to have an honest, decent man, rather than a greedy warmonger in this office. |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 173
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 07:30 am: |
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Park, I have heard your arguments before: they are polished in the halls of the Republican Congress. Unfortunately for us all, these arguments have been so polished, massaged, sharpened and manipulated that they are no longer based on a realistic assessment of the President and his implementations. Just yesterday there was a huge argument in Congress about, well nothing really, that managed to besmirch the President yet again, so much so that topic of discussion was never addressed. With this kind of dissension it's no wonder that very little wisdom is being forged in our Congressional halls right now. Instead, our elected leadership is spinning its wheels finding ways to hone contentious arguments.
As President, Obama has managed our government well, this despite an introduced recession, Republican complacency and recalcitrance bordering on treasonous, two unethical concurrent wars in foreign lands, crazy Muslims trying challenge the world's policy with bombs, crazy Zionists trying to start World War 3 and run the US as they would like, a regional oil-based economic and environmental catastrophe, Chinese folks flexing their economic muscles, widespread immigration problems, and on and on. President Obama has administered our government despite being black, Jewish himself, so inexperienced he's barely out of diapers, a communist, and even a brother from another planet. Considering the circumstances, I think he has done a remarkable job.
I do wonder if we watched the same presidential debate. Barack Obama was thoughtful, intelligent, considerate. He did not respond to obvious inaccuracies which would have lowered the intellectual level of the debate, but maintained his priorities and presented what he intended to get out. Mitt Romney presented vapid plans, redundantly self-contradicted himself, lied, threatened war, and generally attempted to attack the President in whatever way he could. Throughout the first debate Barack Obama was something Mitt Romney was not: Presidential. How could you not see this? By having your vision occluded with stultifying Republican arguments?
When I look at Mitt Romney, I see a puppet unaware of his strings who would march us into war. When I see Barack Obama I see a man who knows where the strings are and how to untie them. Romney has no particular altruistic agenda, whereas Obama has thought about the subject intensely, and while I personally don't agree with all of his answers, most notably his stance on immigration, I strongly respect his intention to make the world a better place for all people. Romney... realistically, he couldn't give a flip about that.
So, you posted some comments on the FIGU forum and stirred up some dust. Let's see what you are really up against, shall we? The people who frequent this board think that Romney will follow through with what he says he will do. He will unmake Obama's (already compromised) universal healthcare plan for all Americans. He will untax the wealthy, and cut government functions. He will fire Bigbird. And most notably, he will be pushed into starting World War 3. Most of the people who frequent this board see Republican leadership as a nightmare leading to long-term social and radioactive calamity for us all. Most of us see Mitt Romney as a lying, self-serving psychopathic puppet who will lead us into World War 3!!! So you wanna convince us that Obama is the worse choice? You really should read more comments on this board before posting your opinions here. You're arguments are simply not gonna get much traction here.
Thankfully, President Obama is gonna win the election. Cheers 
Life
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Parik
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 08:04 am: |
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My point in relation to complaints about Plejarens - is that they call Romney a psychopath, but Obama clearly has similar tendencies - especially narcissism & delusion of his own greatness - plus his policies domestically r leading to said civil wars. When you promote dependency over responsibility, you will always come into trouble and create further discord between the people who work and the able-bodied people who choose not to (even the plejarens have mentioned how much of a disaster this is).
Continually immigrating more and more people to subsidize social security is a ponzi scheme and a disaster (again, the plejarens mention this). O is a politically powerful individual when white guilt is used and you have the Chicago machine behind you, especially in the primaries at the caucauses where there was much fraud reported, but since it was a black man winning, you can't say anything. People/media can say nasty things about a woman, but man if you even say a word that sounds "racist" (like Chicago, or food stamps - Chris Matthews even says this). Obama exploited this fully and still does. Ask Bill Clinton - Obama is no angel either.
I'm not blaming Obama for what is necessarily happening, but his policies r destructive to the social fabric of the US. He ignores immigration laws, he promotes more dependency from immigrants (look at the DHS policy on immigrants being a public charge).
Romney actually has a record of accomplishment in the real world, and has been successful in turning around businesses, the olympics, a liberal state. What had Obama done prior to running for president besides voting present?
I mean we all have some pathology in our psyche, but the way the plejarens call out romney but make Obama to be free of any psychosis is kind of disingenous. As someone else mentioned about hitler in the previous post (btw, I am not saying Obama is in no way like hitler) - even Plejarens or other aliens can be wrong too.
Schantz - have you looked at his story, he gave much of his inheritance away, and he donates much more in charity than either obama or biden ever has. And the rest of the media (CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC) all share their love fest for Obama - it is amazing to see how the media will kowtow to whoever is in office much as they did for Bush. Foxnews now actually is more balanced and fair (look at the ridiculousness of MSNBC)
JustSayNo -that doesn't mean he's a dictator, he's just frugal despite his millions. So what? And how dare you say that he gave her MS/cancer - how can you say such a thing - is that reasonable? people all have behavioral tendencies, that makes us human, Obama smokes like a fiend and thinks he knows more than the experts, does that make him a bad person, no it doesnt, but it makes him a person I don't want in the presidential office. I would honestly like to see him become an ambassador to the Middle East. So he can help do the outreach he seems to be passionate about.
It's a sad day when people criticize others for the success they earned (again, Bush was a true silver spoon son, and clearly exhibited pathological tendencies esp after going through alcoholism, being born again, and then trying to please his father). Romney on the other hand is a more moderate person than Obama attack ads and compliant media have made him out to be.
Michael - Obama plays to different audiences w/ different personalities, cadences, inflections - and when he goes off cuff, it is not even funny it's sad. Yes he may have some intelligence, maybe a social IQ, after all he is a politician, but he's just not up to the task of being president, and his domestic policies will destroy this country. Again, even the plejarens have mentioned allowing mass immigration either legal/illegal as to change the character of the majority is not advised, or prohibited in their books. But that is exactly what the Democrats and Obama want, a new majority that will vote them in. Much like Labour did to the British w/ their mass immigration policies, remember the Prophecies of England falling, is there no doubt as to why it will fall w/ the fractured society it has become thanks to liberal/labour immigration policies?
Again, I'm only looking at facts, past records, philosophies, and a person's actions. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 571
Registered: 07-2009
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> This illusion that the Republicans are against illegal immigration is foolish. Who most wants to have cheap labor and so much so that the exportation of American jobs is a form of unrecognized treason? Of course the Democrats like illegal immigration because, in a edition to soothing liberal guilt, it helps to fill the voter numbers. Both parties are idiotic in this issue when one considers the real, ongoing facts. |
Corey
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Post Number: 295
Registered: 12-2009
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Parik,
15 of the 22 members of Romney's foreign policy team were former Bush advisors, 6 were former members of Project for a New American Century (PNAC), the same Republicans in Congress that are rallying for Mitt Romney are the same Republicans that made nuclear weapons a routine part of US weapons policy (Nuclear Posture Review: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Posture_Review) which Barack thankfully undid, the same Republicans that came up with mini-nuclear weapons to use in Iraq called "Bunker Buster" bombs which the Union of Concerned Scientists thankfully stopped, and the same Republicans that in an unprecedented filibuster, filibustered the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty back in the Bush days, and the same Republicans that wanted to invade Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, (an invasion Billy heavily opposed, but was warned about in advance).
As a supposed long time follower of Billy Meier, you obviously missed back in early 2007 when Billy warned about Bush's insane plans for a nuclear war that the Democrats who won the midterm elections in 2006 thankfully stopped (check the answers to Billy archives it's there) we just narrowly averted armegeddon by the hair on our chin, and now there is a good chance another war mongering religious delusional nutcase is going to be the US President and your rooting for him saying what a good, decent man he is compared to Barack Obama. I think you missed many of the points and meaning of Billy's spiritual teaching when in comes to independence from religion and politics and focus on the spiritual sciences.
Back in the Bush days, we never knew what country he was going to invade next, or if a nuclear war was going to start, and I'm not looking forward to reliving that feeling with Mitt Romney should he come to be President.
So Barack is lenient towards immigration, so what? At this stage of planetary evolution very few countries are mature enough to stand for anti-immigration concepts that we should be following, according to the Plejaren. It's going to take decades, if not centuries to put those in enforcement. It's going to be almost 200 years before the US turns toward the better so don't expect Mitt Romney to solve all your problems either. To accept the left is a trade-off between accepting their leniency towards immigration for the other good they can accomplish towards small steps to world peace then when compared to the right. And that is really all we can do in these times.
I smoke like a fiend like Barack Obama, and I read Billy's German books and I'm a passive member (many of the people responding to you are). Does that make me a bad person too?
Mitt is also anti renewable energy and contraception, two very important things Billy stands for. Romney doesn't contribute as much to charity as you think, Mormons have to pay high tithings to their church so that is where most of the money goes. He also wants the US to be the world police again, which Billy vehemently opposes.
-I'm not going to argue with you anymore, arguing with you is like arguing with a Christian which is not logical. If you don't possess the intellect and rationality to see Mitt Romney for who he really is, and your going to brag about being one of his supporters publicly on a FIGU forums, then I can't stop you. I let you know I do not agree with your belief systems, and I maintained my inner peace at the same time!
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Hawaiian
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Post Number: 102
Registered: 05-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 04:19 pm: |
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Maybe the Plejarens or Quetzal should do another android experiment, one programmed with Mitt Rommey's current and near future psyche attributes and another programmed with Obama's and run a series of tests that covers current and near future Earthly events facing both the United States nation and international issues and how these individuals will respond.
As with the past experiment, we will know which one destroys both himself and his surroundings and which one prevents world war 3. Meanwhile to make matters more interesting a poll to gather monetary bets could be arranged so that the winnings go to promote FIGU activities as this event is NOT a game of chance, but an episode of relevant persuasive endeavors that is much more “humane” utilizing androids who do not possess a true creational evolving spirit form, yet as in medical studies (Earthly ones), animals serve in a very important role before medicines or techniques are approved for human treatments. It is much better than having another war on this planet and all that effort to create harmony being wasted just to satisfy some “prophecy” which is sadistic in nature.
Is it not true that a sizable amount of Rommey’s investment (over $250 million) is invested in BAIN capital that has $millions allocated to various Chinese companies, some which moved off shore from the U.S. to China? It is ironic and deceiving when Mitt speaks out against Obama’s foreign policy, yet he engages in outsourcing American jobs to China because it benefits himself and not the ordinary US worker. I really don’t care for either the Republicans or Democrats as both are internally corrupt and greedy for power, but I would vote for Obama simply because he would make this world safer than that psycho path Mitt Rommey
It was the ancestors of the Republican party that overthrew the Hawaiian nation, had it not been done, then I would probably be in the palace advocating BEAM's official presence as well as FIGU's then worrying about this nut case Rommey and his equally delusional psychopaths from the Middle East and warmongering parasites whose greed and power lust are worse than animalistic behaviors. |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 491
Registered: 10-2009
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Parik, frugal with his millions, please. Especially when it costs more to reheat the water after it's been totally shut off. But it's his wife's job to do that? He's a dictator in his own home and will become a dictator in his country if elected. I said he "had a helping hand in giving her the struggles with MS and cancer" which is not the same as giving it to her, is it? If daddy wasn't so rich would fart in a mitt be so successful? I think not so it's not like he did all on his own. When it comes to corporate tax all high income earners always give lots to charity instead of paying tax on it. It's the second oldest trick in the book. Another interesting aspect is that they always seem to start a non-profit charity to give their money to. That way they can spend it on fundraisers and gala events all in the name of the charity. Since you've already made up your mind, hope you can live with your decision.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Ramirez
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Post Number: 763
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 10:36 pm: |
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Hi Hawaiian,
"Maybe the Plejarens or Quetzal should do another android experiment, one programmed with Mitt Rommey's current and near future psyche attributes and another programmed with Obama's and run a series of tests that covers current and near future Earthly events facing both the United States nation and international issues and how these individuals will respond."
What a great idea 
Short of the complicated stuff put them both in a controlled area to see who runs amok and demolishes the furniture etc first.
War or going bankrupt ? what a choice.
Cheers.
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Joe
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Post Number: 222
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Friday, October 12, 2012 - 09:46 am: |
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Michaelhelfert,
If I may ask, how do you know that Obama is going to be re-elected? |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 174
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2012 - 06:53 am: |
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Howdy Joe, don't you want Obama in office for his second term? Be positive! To me it does feel like the Barack Obama is gonna carry the primary again this year. I have the feeling, and it feels good.
: )
Watching the VP debates, again I thought Joe Biden's ministrations far exceeded Paul Ryan's attempts to discredit the Democratic approach. Where Ryan was a pie-in-sky generalist, Biden offered specifics. Where Ryan talked in ideological terms, Biden talked of people and situations and the necessity of common-sense approaches. Watching Ryan I found myself thinking "this is the kinda opportunistic person who attempts leadership when good people hold back". Watching Biden I found myself admiring his subdued but resolute stature. Just as four years ago, I think Joe Biden is a very good candidate for President, much less VP, all the more so now that he has experience running the country well.
I think that history may ultimately vilify Obama, and indeed all things Democrat, because the moneyed interests will find better ways to sway the heart of America, but for now, for this year, Romney/Ryan just don't got what it takes. And history will have to wait.
Obama's gonna win
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Parik
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2012 - 04:01 pm: |
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It's surprising to me how much people think they are objective on this forum but are sometimes blind to their own zealotry (e.g. Just Say No, Michael Helfertt, and Corey) - As i've posted I have followed the billy meier case for over a decade, and a big proponent of it, however, much as I have heard Michael Horn state in his radio interviews, I reserve the right to not always agree with the Plejaraen/Meeir info. As they have said, you cannot just believe blindly but come to your own reasoning/understanding.
Again, my complaint about this particular info is that in following the career/actions/ of Obama, I can see that he has his own psycho-pathology and uses racial/class demagoguery to his own benefit or perceived need. But, much of the media have blunted much of this behavior or steered clear of it to cover for him. I was totally against Bush, in fact he got me to really care about what our leaders are doing and to be involved in civics and to be informed bc of how clearly bad and troubled mind he was from past history/actions/words. I sent many mass emails to friends and family during the 2006 elections to make sure that the Dems get back in office, bc I knew Bush was dangerous based on his record, background, and upbringing as well reading the Meier info. It was clear as day to me how destructive/dangerous Bush was and is (he was never a Republican in any sense) - What i realized was it's not the party that matters but the person. And what i've seen of Obama, studying his background, and his rise, and what he's done in his life and how he accomplished those things, he also has psychoses as well as romney but his experience in the real world makes him lacking in truly managing a country or understanding what's wrong. I'm sure he means well, or purports to, but his political machinations and the way he throws many people under the bus when convenient shows me a person who is no angel by any stretch. He is about to throw some more people including the State Dept for this Bhengazi attack. He is in over his head, but thanks to his own delusions, thinks he knows what he is doing, there are many reports of this where he thinks he knows more than other experts in the field. He seems to enjoy the celebrity of being a president rather than doing the work - there are many accounts of this by many different reporters. He did much marijuana growing up as well cocaine - do you think that may have affected his thinking?
Obamacare is more gov't bureaucracy, inefficiency, and will drive many people to be laid off as businesses will have to cut costs. More unemployment, more welfare, more money printed to support the welfare state, and hence the devaluing of the dollar. It sounds great on paper, but it will lead to civil unrest and discord as people may have health coverage but no job. Romney wants to create jobs again so people are not dependent on the government. He has a record of being able to accomplish that in both private and public sectors. He understands what needs to be done both in regulatory/financial matters to help spur businesses to be created. Vapid plans? really, he laid out what needs to be done. what does obama tout? nothing really, just more printing of money, infrastructure jobs which will be temporary in nature and is dependent on more printing of money, and more gov't jobs which create nothing except more government.
As for immigration, Obama ignores laws and enacts amnesty policies/fiats to pander to hispanics either legal or illegal in the US because he needs them as a voting bloc. He panders to them at the expense of the American poor/middle class. This is leading to a balkanization of the country and driving states/cities to bankruptcy (hospitals r closing, schools r overcrowded, crime has gone up - even plejarens mention how destructive illegal immigration is). Plus, going against Plejaren/Meier recs, it is creating a genocide of the historical US majority w/o their approval, much like what is happening to England, and Europe in general. Romney has stated he wishes to enact E-verify, enforce immigration laws, etc. - Kris Kobach is one of his advisers who crafted illegal immigration legislation that comports w/ federal law, but Obama's DOJ sued the states from enforcing those immigration laws. Why? Prop 187 in California was supported by the people of California, yet federal judges knocked it down. Can anyone look at California and tell me illegal immigration is a benefit for it? It was the Golden State, but in the last decade and a half people are fleeing that state and
As for Romney's foreign policy team, I agree I am not a fan of of any former Bush advisers - but the difference to me is that Romney is not a puppet compared to what Bush was. There is no comparison, Romney is successful of his own doing starting at entry level @bain consulting and working his way up, and creating his own company which became successful in investing and turning around businesses. he governed a liberal state and worked w/ an opposition majority to bring about legislation and good results for its people - Bush as gov' was just a figurehead, and was never successful at anything. Romney has never mentioned his faith like Bush did, he doesn't tout God as guide. He actually looks up to his dad, George romney who was a capable leader and businesseman who rose from poverty. He told Mitt not to get into politics as a career, but to do something else first and if you want to serve then get involved into politics. Obama had written two autobiographies before he even really accomplished anything, and he didn't even keep his law license for that long getting involved in "community organizing" in Chicago to climb the ladders of Chicago politics which is considered one of the most immoral and unethical places for politics. Look at Obama's campaign hq'd in Chicago and their campaign they have run - they have attempted to character assassinate Romney - calling him a murderer, a felon, a tax cheat, etc. - but do you know Obama promised transparency and no lobbyists in his cabinet, but lo and behold there are many lobbyists there, his own treasury sec and financial team are all from Wall Street, the same wall st he demagogues to pretend like he's part of the 99%. His own treasury sec was caught not paying all of his taxes as well others in his cabinet.
Obama is not free of his faults and not totally honest as well.
Just say no - can u read your post again? and realize how illogical it is - calling a person a dictator because he wants whoever leaves their summer home in NH to shut down the water heater before they leave? so what, that makes someone a dictator? - please! Giving a helping hand in his wife's struggles w/ MS/cancer?? I mean that sounds like he was a big reason for her getting disease or making it worse. She tells how he was with her and supported her tremendously, he could care less about his career back in 1998. look up the interviews - that's beyond vitriolic and demeaning. His own wife didn't want him to run again for the office, but saw how bad the country was doing and realized Mitt has the talent for turning around failing businesses/states based on his record/skills. And if you actually read about what his father told him , you would see how wrong you are to say such things. His father was not a Bush elite, he was a poor man who started out as a carpenter and worked his way up. How dare you say such a thing without looking into it? Is that what the plejarens would want? As for taxes, we need investment from people who have money to invest or have been successful from creating a business - u know the thing that employs people so they can pay taxes for things that keep society together. Do you think Obama doesn't do something similar w/ his money w/ charity or money, I mean, come on - look at Greece/Spain and keeping a socialist state - u need someone to create something that has value to give worth to the currency which then can support a welfare state.
Hawaiian - Bain Capital in the last 12 yrs has been run by Obama bundlers/fundraisers - they have outsourced jobs too - it is the destructive force of globalization. Obama is supported by people who outsource too, can you please send me the link about the information you posted - thanks. Here's a link showing how dishonest the media is in supporting Obama (much like they did for Bush), Romney never outsourced jobs while tenured @Bain Capital -http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/07/02/Wapo-backs-off-romney-outsource-claim
Corey - did u actually read my post, i didn't say Obama was a bad person at all though he smokes like a fiend, but it is disingenuous to say he's free of any psychopathology, and is not destructive in his policies toward the social collapse of the US - through printing endless money for a social safety net that is crumbling thanks in part to legal/illegal immigration that has gotten out of control - he actively sues states for trying to enforce immigration laws, he's given amnesty to illegal immigrants which only engender more illegal immigration - look at California, do you think it's doing well compared to 30 to 40 years ago - and he's doing it for political gain and using racial demagoguery to do it. A person of biracial nature who clearly has his own identity issues and pathology.
Michaelhelffert - Do you really think he would simply untax the wealthy to create further civil unrest? what makes you think that? Romney's past record has shown he can balance budgets, and understands what is needed to create businesses and real jobs to get people working again. Under Obama, people are unemployed/ or put on disability (even though they technically r not disabled)/ or underemployed -
As for altruism, there are numerous stories of Romney helping many people in need both as a pastor and as a community leader but he doesn't tout them or talk about them. His VP told an anecdote where Romney helped a family pay for their kids college education when the family was in dire straits - he never tells anybody this or touts that. I mean, it's easy to look at the media or Obama campaign's caricatures of Romney but really read about his life and what's he's done.
As for Republican intransigence - it's hard to fault them when O and his admin states it's their way or the high way, having to pass Obamacare w/o even his own party getting to read all of the bill, and ramming it through w/o bipartisan support (a 2000 page bill too). Obama talks about uniting, but behind closed doors he doesn't know how to do it, and then decides he will just force it. I am neither Republican or Democrat but look at a person's records and actions. Read about Obama during his Chicago political days, it's not great and hardly bipartisan. Woodward's new book is excellent reading as well.
Romney is a person who will work every day to help this country right its fiscal/economic ship, not like Bush and it seems from reports that Obama seems lackadaisical in his duties as well - not attending many intelligence briefings (esp prior/during 9/11 memorial days), and not being held accountable by the WH press corps and instead going on daily talk shows/entertainment shows to give interviews about his favorite color/favorite foods. I mean, the debate exposed him for not really having an understanding of his own policies and what is really wrong w/ this country. I do agree w/ obama's foreign policy when it comes to de-escalation of nuclear arms, which was excellent, and honestly could see Obama as an emissary for the US to the middle east and also as a person to help the muslim world understand the US better & vice versa. He should be Sec of State in a Romney administration (how's that for bipartisanship - let him calm the middle east down and keep a handle on Muslim-US relations as well as global affairs). Romney had many women in leadership positions his governorship cabinet in Massachusetts, they all had high praise for him for getting the best people in the best positions regardless of race/gender - Obama much like Bush has a lot of cronyism going on w/ cabinet positions, stimulus money going to political donors. Again, obama is not an angel either, and based on what i've followed for the past 8 yrs in studying his career, words, and actions - he has tendencies for narcissism/egoism and delusions of grandeur as well whatever Plejarens purport for Romney. |
Blake_p
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Registered: 07-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2012 - 07:00 pm: |
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I dont agree with everything the President has done ,far from it,but if you can't tell Romney is unimaginatively disingenuous then your problem is not political view points or ideologies.Your diluting yourself,he has flip flopped on just about every major issue,and you can spew all the political rhetoric u want, look at the fact checking entity, Politifact, who sole purpose it is to check the statements made and he has lied through his teeth continuously,even the dis connected sole right wing advocacy Fox News was talking about how he lied,that should enlighten you,because they will say or conjure up anything to support their non-sense. Romney will certainly send us toward another world war, he wants us to build up the already biggest military in the world for some threat that doesnt exist, stay in Afghanistan,go to war with iran because of Israel,completely disconnect us from any future good relationships with anyone in the arab world,I could continue with facts but it would just be redundant. Sorry but i'll take the lesser of two evils,or i should say an unscrupulous puppet or person who u may disagree with his policies but is making an effort to piece back together an economic calamity in four short years. Besides what the hell are people talking about with immigrants, this country was built by immigrants,we're all immigrants,and i guarantee that 99 percent of the people just on this site wouldnt do the jobs that most immigrants do just to make ends meet! |
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