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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 199
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 - 05:32 am: | 
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As i understands it, Creation creates through a loving intention. This intention is filled with the experience and wisdom of infinite mutual life, which Creation is perpetually reinserting into the universal awareness. Universal creational laws are established since creation is timeless in acting from moment to moment, and perpetually intends the same simple loving intention: that of Creation. This is such a steady intention that the natural universal creational laws are built from it, which in turn lay the foundations for the building of the universe.
Creation does not think, for thoughts are products of waveforms of intentions and Creation's intention doesn't follow a waveform, but rather is as steady as existence itself. Humans can only catch a momentary sense of this, as long as we are thinking. But let there not be a rush to cease our thoughts and realize the intention of Creation. This comes naturally, of its own accord, when the self-centered awareness is no longer invested in thoughts, imaginings, and perspectives. This comes naturally long after you and I are one, long after now and then, and for now we are each individuals learning our own ways back to whence we came. We can still think about Creation, and perhaps for a moment wonder.
With a surprising breath of fresh air, and the softest, clearest flavor of love, Creation is, no strings attached, Creation is.
Life
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Thomas
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Post Number: 92
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 - 08:30 am: |
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Hello Michael. I just wanted to offer some thoughts on your last post about Creation and love. Creation does nothing in a loving way as the word 'loving' is used in the English language typically. The love of Creation is not a feeling in the way people usually understand it. It is only a direct connection between all that exists within Creation. You are correct that Creation does not think but incorrect that Creation does not use waveforms. The waves and impulses used most directly by the Wesenheit form that Creation is are just of a far higher frequency range than we can detect.
Creation is nothing at all like a human personality so any insinuation of commonality with human 'love' is likely to draw people into confusion. Creation is less like a person and more like an automaton, although a conscious and very highly developed one. Creation is aware of itself but makes no decisions. It merely has reactions based on logic and the real, most true form of love, which is that everything is connected within Creation as a whole and single unit.
The love of Creation, according to the writings of BEAM, cannot even be withstood by a living mortal human being, much less experienced in any comprehensible way.
The only reason that I am posting this is not to be combative nor to be haughty. It is only that I thought along the same lines that it seems maybe you do and only a lot of research and discussions with Geisteslehre FIGU members, including Christian Frehner, allowed me to have a clearer understanding of Creation. A complete understanding of Creation or even a reasonably significant understanding of its entirety is not possible though for any of us, even BEAM while he exists as a human being once again.
These are just my thoughts on the matter and I hope that maybe they give you another perspective from which to consider love as it applies to Creation.
Thomas |
Rarena
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Post Number: 752
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2012 - 01:25 pm: |
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According to the Plejaren... men of this Earth (and there are many more than this one) do not know love. So... that being the case... neither idea is correct except the idea that the Creation is absolutely neutral... maintaining balance. I've read the Law of Love, but English was my first language and still... it is confusing to me... because of my need to translate to English... As to strings attached... we do not understand Karma I'm sure... but there are attachements and lessons we have and have not learned from life to life... It is my understanding love does not die with the body... which is a surprisingly comforting lesson to learn when you put into the perspective of a loved one dying... There are many more lessons I've learned from this small but dynamic book... but I will let you find out for yourselves since that apparently is the way we learn the most.
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Acriasis
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 08:02 am: |
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Life can be quite beautiful if you stop and observe your surroundings. There is infinite beauty everywhere that has an unconditional love surrounding it. You feel this love from your head to your toe. It is not a "touchy", "feel good", kind of love, it is an ever-present creational type of love that dwells within all that is created. If you are too "caught up" in things of the material life, you might pass up a chance to feel beauty within the love of your surroundings. Life should be a celebration of being alive daily, not a daily task of negative thoughts and influences, which in turn only brings harm to yourself and others. Enjoy this life that you are in, it is the only one for this body that you are in now. Seek knowledge of the truth daily, and keep love in your speech for positive things can be found in any situation. The kindest person you may ever meet may pass you by if true love and caring for your fellow human being is not in your heart. When this love is there people seem to feel it as you walk by, or make eye contact with them, even someone in absolute despair seems to be able to smile in the presence of true love of Creation within an individual.
Through the love of Creation I am alive on this planet. Through knowledge of the truth I apply this love to my daily life, even though perfectness in Creation's love may not be fully discovered in this lifetime, for it is truly infinite and is more than can be experienced in my present evolutive state. By the might of that fragment of Creation within, we shall strive to perfect this love in this life and the next until true knowledge of Creation's love is felt throughout the whole of our BEING. Perhaps in a future time, in this love, a true peace and a true love will be felt throughout this world and the negative path of destruction will be gone for good such as wars, hate, overall crime etc. Then true love for our fellow human beings shall be found and we will help one another in times of need, perhaps even doing away with the destructive power of money on this planet far into the future.
-Saalome-
-Marcus-
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Stephaniewbrooker
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Post Number: 20
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 04:55 pm: |
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> Well said, I needed that, greatly appreciated. Lately my i felt I've been in a kind of despair and need to refocus my mind and my heart!
Saalome
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Redbeard
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Post Number: 244
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 06:54 pm: |
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Here's a link to the "Creation's Love" teaching letter.
www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Creation%27s_Love
An Excerpt--
No life is able to exist without love and without the light of truth. However, no light is able to exist without love and truth, and no truth is able to exist without light and love. True love, is true BEING, and it is the everlasting warmth from the centre of Creation, which is described as true existence. Love is the highest principle of Creation, and through it, everything exists in absolute logic.
The love of Creation is everywhere, because without it nothing at all would be able to exist. The individual should therefore be aware that he exists only through the love of Creation and that he carries this love also within himself. Creation created everything in love and logic and put the same love in all its creatures, so that life itself is love. Even if living in this world often seems to consist only of conflict and drudgery, this fact does not change.
Peace, Matt
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Edward
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Post Number: 2577
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, November 19, 2012 - 02:22 am: |
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Hi All....
Yes, I would agree with Randy and Thomas, to some point.
I do remember, it being said the Creation's LOVE...is incomprehensible to
man; in that sense.
We, in our Material World/Realm, only...know of LOVE in the Material sense of
it, in definition. As, Affective Love and not Effective Love(; its, literal
definition).
In the Spirit Realm, there is no feelings, as I understood, thus, in no way,
we can interpret its true definition, in relation to Creations standards, so
to speak.
The LOVE Energy, is more than just the love we know in our Material Realm.
Thus, Creation(al) LOVE has a more definition towards her....Consciousness
related energy properties, I would think(?).
Thus, Creation's LOVE (energy)...is yet to be discovered....
Edward. |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 201
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 04:55 am: |
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I can see how Creation can be said to generate a waveform. I spose my comment was not accurate as possible in this regard. (Thanks Thomas for your comments.) The waveform of Creation must incorporate the longest, quietest periodicity possible in the universe. And by analogy, other waveforms are generated, indeed the framework for building reality takes it's cue from analogy.
The love of Creation is the same love of persons embracing their lovers, and of animals mothering their young, and of atoms bouncing about in harmony with universal laws. It's the same love felt by a lost child who trusts a stranger. It's the same love felt by a dog who mourns the death of its master. It's the same love sung about by saints and angels and poets, when overcome with goodness. This is the love that mutually validates life, that provides a realistic mutual perspective, because in actuality perspectives are 'more real' with love than without. This is the same love of Creation, which established the pattern of love for everything that is, and by analogy everything that is loves.
The more culturally pervasive way of defining love is to consider it an emotion. Creation's love is not an emotion, but a relational way of being. The emotions that are commonly associated with love result only because of it. As humans we commonly mistake the emotions we feel for love, but this is not love, its eating only the frosting of a birthday cake.
Love is a mutual awareness, a connection with the reality of Life in some form or another. In a relative universe, love is most fundamental law of relationships. And when everything else in the universe ceases to exist, love plays a role in what "remembers" life, and provides the joie de vivre that springs existence into being anew.
Forever, love is always the way, never tiresome, always fresh and new, always realistic. And yea, it sometimes feels nice too : )
Life
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Redbeard
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Post Number: 245
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 03:39 pm: |
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True love is somewhat elusive or difficult to grasp and define, as we are overly physically oriented and focused for the most part. At times I do know that something beyond the mundane and carnal does rise up and gets my attention from time to time when I am paused long enough to sense it.....
Just beyond my reach of perception but I'm catching a scent, a fragrance, a hint of realization, ever so enduringly peaceful and yet fresh and stimulating..,
Peace, Matt
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Redbeard
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Post Number: 246
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 03:36 pm: |
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Here's another excerpt that I thought sort of applied to love even though it speaks of Creation it seems the two, love and Creation are the same, just like the sun and the sunlight.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Interview_with_Billy_(1998)#section_2
"What role does Creation play in our human lives and that of all the others?
Creation plays a very significant role in human evolution and that of all other life, for every life form carries within it a minute piece of Creation, which provides life to all life. Without this minute particle of Creational spirit not one single life form would exist, for this Creational spirit is the actual, fundamental life-energy. This life energy, in turn, however is dependent upon the comprehensive totality of Creation Itself, which disburses a fine energy form known as cosmic life energy throughout the entire universe. The minute particles of Creational spirit absorb and are given life by this cosmic life energy. One could almost say that this cosmic life energy acts as Creational sustenance on which all particles of Creational spirit subsist. To this end, every life form is dependent upon Creation. "
True love is somewhat elusive or difficult to grasp and define, as we are overly physically oriented and focused for the most part. At times I do know that something beyond the mundane and carnal does rise up and gets our attention from time to time when we are paused long enough to sense it.....
Just beyond my reach of perception but I'm catching a scent, a fragrance, a hint of realization, ever so enduringly peaceful...
Peace, Matt
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Thomas
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Post Number: 93
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 05:54 pm: |
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Hello again Michael, you seemed to have misunderstood something about Creation. After reading nearly every one of BEAM's books, most of the contact notes and nearly every scrap of info from the actual spirit lessons that has been made public, not to mention detailed discussions with at least one core group member and a few other spirit lessons FIGU members, it is abundantly clear that Creation's love has nothing whatsoever to do with the kind of love you speak of "the same love of persons embracing their lovers, and of animals mothering their young, and of atoms bouncing about in harmony with universal laws" and so on. Love in the Creational sense is nothing like these quotes of yours. I do not attack or rebut, I only offer correction which can be verified by BEAM ond the other core group FIGU members if you like.
Creation's love is not based on any type of though-related feeling nor so-called "emotions" since Creation does not "think" in any way but rather a vibrational connection between all that exists within Creation itself. This is related to feelings in the "Empfindung" sense but not in the "Gefuhle" sense since there is no thought involved. If you were to experience this love directly, it would give you incredible feelings but these feelings are not love itself but rather an effect of true love. Love in the Creational sense is nothing more than the absolute knowledge and feeling (Empfindung feeling) that everything within Creation is one. There is no attachment as there always is to some degree in a mother's love or a lover's love. This is an important difference between effective and affective love.
I can go on and on but if you do not first understand this much, than unfortunately you are very mistaken about Creation's love.
Once again, I only offer this information as a help and not as someone chastising you for your error. I too had the same ideas as you before I got set straight through the help of my own searching and the assistance and id of FIGU and its GL members.
I hope this helps you on the right path :-)
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Flaming_pie
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 11-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 07:01 pm: |
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"Love is a mutual awareness, a connection with the reality of Life in some form or another."
Michaelhelfert, I think you are on to something. After reading, "True Love has its Basis in Reality, Not in Belief" found on the Australian Figu site, over and over again that something finally made sense. The author quotes Billy's book, "How to Live Life" p.34 "So, true love comes from this fine-spiritual perception of reality. Such a perception of reality comes from the respectful, concentrated observation and registering of that which is. It comes from perceiving, at a fine-spiritual level, the nature of another human being, creature or some other element or thing. So, the knowledge and wisdom acquired this way, through meditative concentration on the reality of a thing, results in the experience of love."
Wow, that's it. Concentration on 'reality' must be the key. But you might ask yourself, what is reality? How do I know when I'm observing reality? How do I know when I'm "registering that which is?" Some might think that they love their partner because they have a hot body. And this is observing reality. People usually don't lie to themselves here. So reality is not simply being a good observer and seeing the material. The reality that Billy is talking about is not a material thing. Introduction to Spirit Teaching line "125. Only a balanced mind that is rooted in what is creative-in creative service, in creative wisdom, its knowledge, its love and joy that are more real than all material walls around (and more real than) the human environment-is valuable and serving the spirit’s development."
The material is transitory, a blip. Important to be focused on, yes, in so much that you carry on adequately enough in life so you can spend time thinking about/observing Creation. The real things I think Billy is talking about for love are spiritual truths.
As far as I can tell spiritual truths are laws we learn about in the Figu material. So concepts like: reincarnation, Creation being a unity of One, becoming and passing away, weeds among the good fruit, the spirit of judgement, etc, would be examples of 'real' things that we can look for and practice.
So real life example would be loving a person because you see them as a part piece of the unity of everything, including yourself. I would imagine that this "fine-spiritual perception" that Billy is talking about is trying to see another person's strength's and weaknesses, for example, in the context of them being on a journey of billions of lifetimes learning and making mistakes. And in turn having these same timeless, observations coming from a life partner, for example. A good example of seeing reality is practicing knowing that everything (human, animal, plant, sun, universe, anything material) goes through a process of 'becoming and passing away;' so that one is not injured by the death of a loved one, for example. As far as I can tell, these would be examples of observing reality for an experience of real love.
Anthony Alagna
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Edward
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Post Number: 2581
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 12:51 am: |
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Hi Michaelhelfert....
As I understand it, is: that the LOVE we experience in our Material Realm/
World, is 'just' OUR (material) 'interpretation' of it. Thus, the OER
Creation(al) LOVE (energy), is to humans/Man....still incomprehensible; as
mentioned in the FIGU materials.
Thus, I would fully agree with FIGU's definition.
MAN, can not KNOW...how it is to feel and experience Creation's TRUE OER LOVE
Energy, in its original and purest form(at): because, no man...has ever gone
beyond that boundary, so to speak, to experience it and tell about it.
Edward. |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 205
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 04:24 am: |
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To experience the reality of love,
relax and let it be
whatever it is.
Life
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Jedaiah
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Post Number: 35
Registered: 09-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 05:28 am: |
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It's quite amusing, because every single post here has never even come close to describing the reality of Creation's love. Despite the wonderful words most of you have said, all of you have not come close to satisfying such a truth. Don't worry, this is a good thing. |
Acriasis
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2012 - 11:07 pm: |
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The infinite , all knowing, ever-present experience of Creation, the call of eternity, the Empfindungen (fine fluidal perceptions?), a true oneness with all that you are and all that surrounds you, a caring for all lifeforms of this world and the next, a high evolutive state of consciousness found within the spirit, that continues to grow and expand, the closer you come to truly living life for spirit and doing the most good for yourself and other lifeforms around you.
In love there is life, created through the love of Creation, in life there is truth that all things can exist. Without love there is no life there is only death, but in death life begins anew through the love of Creation.
Saalome,
Marcus
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Celesco
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 01-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 - 02:12 pm: |
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I have a question regarding the Law of Love, and Creational law, as they both apply to homosexuality. I realize it is not possible for a human to speak on the Creation's behalf, but I cannot discern the true meaning from Billy's translated words in regards to correct homosexuality as it manifests in contrast to degenerate, sodomitical homosexuality; therefore, I am asking for guidance from you all, my fellow humans, whom may have uncovered the truth using logic.
My question is this: is an act of anal sexual-gratification considered sodomitical and degenerate if it performed between two males of the human species? Certainly, the word "sodomy" refers to any act of sexual gratification that is not related to penile-vaginal intercourse; however, Billy's words, when translated into English, give instruction on this topic that is misleading me toward internal confusion. Perhaps a person with an advanced grasp of German can clarify the original intent behind Billy's words.
Here is the article: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Homosexuality_-_What_is_its_Cause%3F
The translation is this: "...What is termed unnatural and a transgression against nature, however, is homosexuality and bisexuality of a sodomitical, degenerate nature - the sexual gratification with and on animals of any kind."
It is implied through this text that the degenerate act refers specifically to sexual gratification with and on animals; however, allow me to reference another point of instruction made, regarding the spreading of the AIDs epidemic.
First, the contact report, for use of reference: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_248
The translation is: "...The reprehensibly-acting, sodomitic, degenerate, homosexual and bisexual men, who act contrary to the laws of nature, bear the guilt for this epidemic. But also guilty for this epidemic are all those who tolerate and advocate sodomitic, degenerate homosexuality and bisexuality and also sodomy in particular, even though these forms of sexuality are absolutely contrary to the laws of nature, and with the pursuit of these, in any case, it must be counted on sooner or later that deadly or at least life-threatening consequences will appear, to which many kinds of life forms will fall prey."
It does not seem logical that the ones who support, advocate, and encourage degenerate, sodomitic behaviour can be advocating acts of sexual gratification with or on animals; instead, does this passage not refer to those who give out pamphlets in health clinics which permit men and women to engage in anal sexual gratification using their own will because such an act is considered a representation of freedom in the truly unfree Western society? As I reflect on this passage, I cannot avoid the possibility that there exist numerous Earth human beings who advocate sexual gratification with animals - so perhaps I am not drawing a correct conclusion.
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Personally, before coming upon the spirit lessons and the FIGU works, I have experienced both pain and pleasure as a result of anal-sexual gratification - yet I simultaneously realize that the pleasure I derived from being penetrated anally may, in fact, derive from a thought-feeling of expectation, which is based in a belief, rather than in the reality of what is natural. Considering myself homosexual inasmuch as my impulses guide me to form thoughts of attraction toward members of the same gender, I nevertheless struggle to discern the divide between lawful homosexuality and degenerate homosexuality in my thinking. Please pardon my descriptive text, as I have attempted to spare any details which are inappropriate and unnecessary.
In summary: is a lawful homosexual abstinent in order to avoid bringing destruction to his fellow humans, meanwhile his degenerate, sodomitic brother or sister is carefree in his or her sexual expression? or is the degenerate homosexual purely that whom engages in acts of sexual gratification with animals? Furthermore, what acts, specifically, are sanctioned by natural law if homosexuality is, indeed, a natural gene variant? In the future, shall I control my thoughts so that I refrain from any act of penetration among a male of the same species? |
Corey
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Post Number: 447
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 - 05:26 pm: |
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Celesco,
These are really good questions and I hope Jacob replies to your post, but in the meantime I will try to help your question. As far as I understand, Homosexuality is not considered degenerate until you cross the threshold into sodomy with animals etc to fulfill fantasies etc.
Homosexuality is considered a natural (because sexual orientation is chosen by genetics which are subject to laws of Creation) against nature (against nature because is it impossible to procreate) and "can never be classified as unlawful on account of any of the natural-creational laws and directives."* Therefore for two males to engage in non-sodomistic (no animals etc.) anal sex for sexual gratification should be just fine and considered lawful because homosexuality is predetermined by nature. What goes against nature (aside from sodomy, masochism, sadism etc) is in the future, when technology permits, when two men gratify themselves sexually for the sake of unnatural procreation because for a man to bear a child goes against Creation, against Creation's laws and directives, and against the sevenfold order.
* taken from page 5 of the highly recommended pamphlet "Homosexuality- what is it's cause" FIGU Wassermannzeit-Verlag
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Earthling
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Post Number: 733
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 - 07:28 pm: |
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Celesco, imo, degenerate acts obviously include sex with animals. Degenerate sexuality, homosexual or heterosexual likely refers to so-called 'whoring' .. which includes having multiple partners purely for sexual-sensual or ego gratification, for reasons to gain money, power, position, etc.. or any reason where a so-called 'true love' does not play a part.
You can do whatever you want in the privacy of your own space with your fully consenting partner.
That is my two cents and my common sense.
I stand to be corrected as far as what the Spiritual Teaching says from those who know for sure.
Salome,
Bruce
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Votan
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Post Number: 125
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 12:42 am: |
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Hi Corey
Homosexuality is not natural. Why did the creator create men and women?
The person committing the act would not be here if we did not have a male and female.
joe
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Indi
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Post Number: 738
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 12:54 am: |
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I recently posted this somewhere else for someone, and it might provide with a simple answer to some above questions. Following is a paragraph from the book 'Sinnvolles, Würdevolles, Wertvolles' p.324, and is a hasty translation I made and may contain errors.
"This is in reference to the Creational laws, that homosexual behaviour is purely a thing that the person has to determine about, on their own, without any Creational law involvement. This applies to homosexuality as well as to heterosexuality, about oral sex and anal sex, about bisexuality, about masturbation and onanism as well as every other sexual method which the person feels he would like to exercise. No sexual method may be forbidden to the person and not be taken away from him, also from the partners or female partners, as long as all runs within the frame of the Creational principles, that everything is voluntary and that the body and the life are not harmed and not getting very badly out of the control of the good human nature, to become damaged."
"So ist in bezug der schöpferischen Gesetze das homosexuelle Verhalten rein eine Sache des Menschen selbst, worüber er also allein zu bestimmen hat, ohne jede schöpferisch-gesetzliche Einmischung oder Regelung. Das bezieht sich sowohl auf die Homosexualität wie auch auf die Heterosexualität, auf den Oralsex und Analsex, auf die Bisexualität, auf die Masturbation und Onanie sowie auch auf jede sexuelle Praktik, die der Mensch auszuüben beliebt. Keine sexuellen Praktiken dürfen dem Menschen verboten und ihm auch nicht die Partnerin oder der Partner weggenommen werden, solange alles im Rahmen der schöpferischen Gesetzmässigkeiten verläuft, alles freiwillig ist und also Leib und Leben nicht geharmt und nicht in einer ausartenden Form geschädigt werden."
Salome
Robyn
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Indi
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Post Number: 739
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 01:11 am: |
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I would like to add that in the explanation from this same source, which of course is not the only place this topic is covered, it says that male homosexuality is as normal as female lesbian sexuality. Where female lesbian sexuality is called 'natural naturalness', male homosexuality is called 'unnatural naturalness'. This 'unnatural naturalness' does not mean 'abnormal' but simply that this so-called perversity is based on the fact that the male homosexuality is opposite to the procreative act and reproduction, but is totally natural.
Billy writes that the creational laws do not hold homosexuality as baseness or do they speak of the reprehensibility of it, or that it is anything to avoid.
Salome
Robyn
Denken Sie für sich selbst!
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Corey
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Post Number: 448
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 01:31 am: |
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Votan,
I was quoting from the teaching (Billy himself 2001) and not a creator-based cult-religious god-delusion. If you are still referring to a creator after all this time on the forums, maybe you are on the wrong forums? My post clearly stated that Homosexuality is natural because sexual orientation is determined by genetics which are subject to Creation's laws and therefore natural. It must have really tore you up to see the Defense of Marriage Act get struck down by the US Supreme Court and gay marriage get ratified in so many US states recently huh?
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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