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Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 86
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 06:40 am: | 
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Be so gracious and kind as to answer
Ozymandias's question. Even though it is out of place, he or she should be given a clear answer or a simple redirect out of courtesy then you can continue on with your conversations!
“To be humble to superiors is duty, to equals courtesy, to inferiors nobleness.” Benjamin Franklin
"Creation doesn't give us what we want! We give creation what it ultimately needs! And anyone who never has made a mistake in his whole entire life has never ever tried to do anything new."
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Thomas
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Post Number: 94
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 05:59 pm: |
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In fact, humans are in no way anything like Creation in its image. Really the only thing that one can say is that we are part of Creation and we each, as spiritual beings, have a piece of Creational energy which we call our spirit. This spirit is identical to Creation in its energy type but all other comparisons are out of line with reality. We do evolve like Creation and there are other general similarities but in no way our we humans anything remotely like the image of Creation. If we were then we could not exist within Creation but only outside of it as a similar Creational form. Logic and the spirit teaching bears this all out... |
Indi
Moderator
Post Number: 687
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 08:07 pm: |
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Dear Bronzedesk,
You are welcome to answer the new member's questions yourself. I am sure your experience here could have adequately answered his query and steered him in the correct direction.
However, the new member has been contacted privately with answers to his query.
Salome
Robyn
Denken Sie für sich selbst!
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Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 136
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 11:08 pm: |
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Indi
..it appears you've manipulated my words to the form of prologue of some sort of announcement...
- where are you going with this? and how could you concluded that announcement was my intention from the post that you took for "skating around the park"? The model of "the announcer" was once created by delusion of certain individual from which I won my own imaginary pedestal. What sort of nonsense is it this time?
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Hi Ferbon
I originally just wanted to understand what your comment was and where in the material you drew that from. Unfortunately when you answered you said 'from all the material', which gave none of us any clue as to what you were meaning.
I only responded to what you said. If you could have just answered the question instead of alluding to some secret then I might not have said anything.
I was genuinely waiting to hear what you had to offer, but you didn't in fact offer anything concrete hence my 'skating around the park' comment.
If you would like to answer my original question with a concrete answer as to what led you to say what you did, that would help. So, once again:
you said "....human beings are made to the image of creation.."
Can you please provide a source within the FIGU material for this comment?
and I will add that if you cannot provide a source, and you gleaned it instead, could you please explain what you gleaned?
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Edmundo
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Post Number: 58
Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 09:04 pm: |
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With some approximation one could see human being as an "image of Creation". 
Please consider for example sentences 11-16 from 10th CR. |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 22
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 05:46 am: |
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Are humans “anything like Creation” in its image - ?
There is certainly a oneness between macro and microcosm – only our Ego stands in the way of realizing it.
One sample:
All beings in this universe – humans, animals, plants even stars and the universe itself - have the same breathing movement – like a membrane – they breathe out (expand) and they breathe in (collapse).
We humans cannot always see this connection because we have only a time and space limited vision.
I.e. we may believe there was a big-bang and ever since the universe is expanding – because of our limited time and spacial vision.
However our spirit does not know these limits:
Jmmanuel’s remarks about oneness – “Only that which is one and united is eternal..” -
And the words “uni versus” do they not lit. mean “turned into one” ?
So some our forefathers must have had an insight that we have lost:
that the essence of all material life is oneness
So I conclude:
We may not be conscious of it most of the time – but our search for truth is in reality a search for universal oneness.
Each breath we take is a reminder. |
Benhilo
Member
Post Number: 11
Registered: 02-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 09:12 am: |
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There IS no ordinary moment! |
Thomas
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Post Number: 98
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 10:14 am: |
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Hi Tat_tvam_asi, everything is of course part of Creation but to say that humans are in the image of Creation is not accurate any more than saying a leaf is. The Creational energy making up our spirit is identical to the energy of Creation in every sense however Creation and humans are drastically dissimilar in every other way. Creation has all of its parts to add to its wisdom and power while we as humans do not even have a conscious consciousness form of spirit. This alone shows that we have nothing in common with the likeness or image of Creation in general. We will merge our consciousness into that of the Creation consciousness one day but until then, we are like drops of water in the ocean rather than like the entire ocean as an entity.
One small note in addition but this is not only directed at Tat_tvam_asi:
I have noticed that some people use certain phrases that really lack any meaning and seem to me to be rather new agey, for lack of a better term. The comment about each breath being a reminder is an example. It makes no sense whatsoever to me that our breath reminds us of our search for universal oneness. If I have missed something, please explain it to me. I mean absolutely no disrespect but I just do not get these kinds of comments. If our breath were such a reminder, then every other conscious creature that breathes would have the same reminder in spite of not being able to evolve up to the level of Creation.
Sorry if this comment seems combative or aggressive but it is not meant to come across that way... :-/ |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, November 26, 2012 - 07:53 am: |
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Hi Thomas,
There is no new age behind my words.
Even Billy mentions in his childhood while watching the sky he felt like the stars are part of a body like the cells of our own body.
The idea that the universe is itself an entity growing in wisdom can as well be found in Jmmanuels teachings in many places.
Each living entity in this universe breathes and as we know this is as well the movement of the universe.
The idea that we are a cosmic unit in cosmic unity may not be visible for you - it is for me.
So be in peace in understanding that the differences in this universe are only a reflection of a mind that sees differences.
But in a universal balance and oneness there is not two but one.
I think this is the sense of Salome.
Salome |
Tat_tvam_asi
Member
Post Number: 24
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, November 26, 2012 - 09:36 am: |
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Hi Thomas,
Who would know what the image of Creation was in this moment of “Let it become”…
So I would never say that everything is in the image of creation.
I said there is a oneness between macrocosm and microcosm – and that our Ego
prevents us from seeing this oneness.
The higher the philosophy the lower the being with which we identify…
I certainly see a leaf as a part of Creation.
It, too, contains a microcosm that is one with the structure and plan of this universe.
It gives me great peace to think this way –
For your sake:
I have stated my insights not to make you angry *).
You do not need to accept them.
But maybe you should not hate them – lest you become what you hate.
That we gain an ever increasing insight – there are not two but one.
That is why we live (and why it is not right to hate)
Salome
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All quarrels and wars in this universe stem from the state of anger:
This state of mind is in us when we feel better – more right than others - look down on others.
In this state we are prone to call that what is right “wrong” and vice versa. |
Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 139
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Monday, November 26, 2012 - 12:36 pm: |
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Thomas
"I think - therefore I am" , each atom is "aware" of the existence of another, pulsating arms, expansion-contraction, evolution of creation, ...when is the last time You had an "idea" ? Not sure what is so drastically dissimilar -as you put it. Placing a leaf in the same basket with beings capable of evolution to the level of AA and Petale and conquering hyperspace as well as creating 88 million canons of - Creation's - laws is immensely narrow minded and primitive. Please feel free to use creativity based on idea to respond ....indeed respond as a human - accumulating knowledge on his way to perfection who's body renews itself in each reincarnation greater that the previous one and who's evolution undergoes seven-fold cycles.
On the side note: some people here apparently have spirits animating them - made of helium rather than that of consciousness unbound by space and time. I'd rather hibernate and wake-up in two millennia than be taking pleasure in writing this.
Salome |
Flaming_pie
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 11-2012
| | Posted on Monday, November 26, 2012 - 02:25 pm: |
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Thomas,
Tat_tvam_asi made a wonderful point about "oneness." I thought his analogy of breathing as expanding and collapsing, leading into uni-verse was very insightful. As we know Creation goes through a waking period and then a sleeping period, just like humans.
I think a person can draw many other comparisons between humans and Creation without being religious. TJ 4th "Teaching About Creation,"
3. Since Creation is spirit and thus lives, even it must forever perfect itself.
4. But since it is one within itself, it can perfect itself by way of its own creations, through the generation of new spirit forms that dwell within human beings, give them life, and evolve towards perfection through their learning.
19. Just as human life has day and night and is divided into work and rest, so Creation also has its times of work and rest.
20. Its period, however, is different from that of people, because its laws are the laws of spirit.
21. while human laws are the laws of material life.
So some might say that humans are like Creation in that they create mistakes to learn and perfect themselves; just like Creation creates spirits to learn and perfect itself.
Best Regards,
Anthony Alagna
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Tat_tvam_asi
Member
Post Number: 25
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 05, 2012 - 06:25 am: |
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Thank you, Anthony.
Your words are my words.
When one seeks one finds many samples for the oneness between the individual and the universe – a few points that come to mind:
1. All Creation is based on oneness
All love – e.g. when a man and a woman combine – is a moment of ego- and timelessness.
This oneness is a longing of all nature –it is felt in all organisms in which creation happens.
As was the state of loving oneness that created this universe…
2. All Creation is programmed to the same law – whose ultimate purpose is to perfect the universal wisdom
"Since Creation is spirit and thus lives, even it must forever perfect itself.
"But since it is one within itself, it can perfect itself by way of its own creations, through the generation of new spirit forms that dwell within humans, give them life, and evolve towards perfection through their learning. “
All living beings – plants, animals and humans - in our world have the same drive to multiply in order to protect and strengthen their species.
One (e.g. cherry) seed may create a (cherry) tree with many fruits (cherries). It is driven by the same force – “to perfect itself by way of its own creations” – as all other beings of this universe. Underlying every creation is the same stimulus “to gain more wisdom and strength” – ultimately to strengthen the wisdom of the universal consciousness.
“Wherever life reveals itself, it is based upon the law of the invisible mystery that brings about the eternal change. “
3. Oneness between the individual state of mind and the Universal Consciousness
Exaggerations attract opposites are the source of unrest and aggressions.
So we should not strive for them but for a balance:
As the universe is in balance so our meditation should be positive neutral.
“So the human being shall be aware and awaken, for the laws of Creation state:
Only that which is timeless and everlasting is of permanence, of truth and of wisdom, and so it is." |
Ferbon
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Post Number: 150
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 05, 2012 - 09:48 am: |
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I am glad to see more people finding the truth and logic in words that humans are created to the image of Creation. One can also consider the fact that human beings do mainly evolve spiritually and as a whole the material evolution only accounts for about 10% of the entire process - and to be sure - most significantly during initial stages where it overwhelms logic with instinct. Of course with spiritual evolution comes progressive "fine tuning" - the rejection of visible matter which gets turned/or tuned into energy. Final stages of human forms are -as we know from Billy - in pure spiritual forms - more and more united with Creation for whom time becomes indefinite.
Salome |
Jedaiah
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Post Number: 42
Registered: 09-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 05, 2012 - 11:24 am: |
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Ferbon, I see the logic in that post. Indeed, there are various was of attributing Creation. I find this a beautiful thing once one sees the truth in the correct form. |
Acriasis
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, February 10, 2013 - 09:06 pm: |
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Of all the words found in all languages the word 'Creation' should have the most meaning. Life is creational wherever you go. Whether it be in nature, in your home, or underground in a cave, Creation is there in the life and material right in front of you, even in the air that you are breathing in. For life to have purpose truly living life for spirit, and applying knowledge of actual truth is needed. For in this the material life is more interesting and creational to the true self than before the truth was known. Then begins the transformation of the human, through acceptance of the laws and recommendations given of Creation. There, in that human, a fragment of the infinite is found, which surfaces to be noticed by the outward appearance, the body, through knowledge of the truth. All life is infinitely beautiful, more beautiful than can be imagined in seeing life for what it truly is, an unmeasurable part of the timeless existence, in the life of all lives, of time spent in the knowledge of truth, in living for spirit, in the love and infinite might of Creation.
Spiritualy magnified by the might of the spirit, through application of the laws and recommendations into the daily life, a human truly does the most good, in the material life in this present incarnation, through duality of spirit and body as one being. There, now, a vast sea of knowledge comes forth, a call of eternity to the creational, an infinitely bright light, oh how can I stay... it is so beautiful... why would you want to ever go back... For it is not your time to stay, there now, it is the present incarnation, and a purpose for being there must be fulfilled, for the material life is necessary at this moment to expand and evolve the human in consciousness in this life, that the next incarnation might come easier for learning knowledge of the truth, to one day, in another life and another personality of high evolution, become 'one' with the infinite, all knowing, ever-present, Creation
Saalome,
Marcus
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Be well, find true peace, knowledge is waiting, where shall it be found this day, this night? in a place that is interesting to your true BEING that has not been known before. |
Earthling
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Post Number: 680
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 12, 2013 - 04:59 pm: |
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Can someone please point me to a definition of the term "creational laws"? How shall I explain this term to someone?
Salome,
Bruce
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Indi
Moderator
Post Number: 705
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2013 - 04:51 am: |
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Hi Bruce
At the following link Christian Frehner has provided a good summary and explanation that may be what you are looking for:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/index.php?title=Spiritual_Development
There are also quite a few posts on this forum that may also add to what Christian has written if you do a search.
Salome
Robyn
Denken Sie für sich selbst!
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Jacob
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Post Number: 100
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - 02:29 pm: |
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The consciousness-related analogue of human immunity
When we are born into this life, by far most of us enjoy a basic immunity handed down by our mothers, immunity again several viruses, bacteria and fungi.
During our lifetime, in normal cases, the immune system is strengthened by naturally occurring exposure to viruses, bacteria and fungi.
To make a long story short, when we are healthy, our immune system is warding off threats to our physical health before they become an issue.
So, how about our consciousness-related and psychological health?
For that, in this world with all its dangers in cult-religion, materialism, and barbarism we need our consciousness-related and psychological immunity too.
This basically means, that regardless how it makes us feel, we have to confront ourselves with the negative things here on Earth as much as we have to embrace the positive things.
We cant just solely focus on the good, logical, loving, balanced, neutral-positive, progressive, peaceful, etc. but we have to focus also on the bad, illogical, cult-religious, hateful, unbalanced, stagnate and warlike.
Balance in everything.
The natural-creative laws and recommendations of the universal-consciousness Creation hand us the tools and the means to build up our consciousness-related and psychological immunity without the danger of becoming indifferent to the bad, illogical, cult-religious, hateful, unbalanced, stagnate and warlike.
Everyone knows that not having any physical immunity is very dangerous, so the awareness must be in each one of us that we require a consciousness-related and psychological immunity also.
We take as example when a person threatens the life of another person in such an acute way in which grave bodily harm or even imminent death is to be expected, then killing the offender in the [absolute] last resort when all other options have failed is authorized (by natural creative law), when a killing in these circumstances occurs, its because the person who did the killing was forced and acted against his/her will.
If we examine this example from a distance then we see that the threat by the perpetrator is the negative action, which results in a force that hinders the will of the victim, the victim, in order to preserve his/her life, must act in the opposite way (positive action = saving his/her own life or those of others), to counter the negative action of the perpetrator. The coming together of the negative action and positive reaction results in the neutral situation that the danger is neutralized and the victims life is saved, the perpetrators life is unfortunately lost by his/her own actions, because his/her thoughts, feelings and actions have put him/her in a situation where he/she could be killed by an action in self-defense.
With this example we can see how the natural-creative laws and recommendations provide for the knowledge and wisdom how to act and the reason to act in these circumstances.
Of course, its not needed to first hand experience these situations, our logical thinking can provide for the necessary knowledge when we confront ourselves with the negativity on Earth and use the spirit teaching/natural-creative laws and recommendations of the Creation to create an understanding and a basic programming to act logically when a negative situation occurs.
On a side note: This example is of course an ideal situation centered around the application of the natural-creative laws and recommendations, it does not mean that the human law in your country has the same vision. Very often the human law does not match the law of the universal-consciousness Creation and unfortunately not following human law can have dire consequences.
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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Jacob
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Post Number: 142
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, March 08, 2014 - 01:52 pm: |
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Die sieben Gebote der Lehre (der Geistes, des Lebens, der Wahrheit, der Schöpfung)
The seven recommendations of the spirit teaching (teaching of the spirit, teaching of the life, teaching of the truth)
1. Das Gewissen der Reinheit ist ohne Furcht.
1. The pure conscience is without fear.
2. Die Ausgeglichenheit ruhet im Wissen.
2. The balance rests in knowledge.
3. Die Naturgesetze ruhen im Schöpfungsplan.
3. The laws of nature rest in the plan of Creation.
4. Das Leid trägt die Lehre der Wahrheit.
4. The suffering bears the teaching of truth.*
5. Der Geistreichtum ist der Wert des Zieles.
5. The wealth of the spirit is the value of the goal.**
6. Die Gerechtigkeit liegt in den Naturgesetzen.
6. Justice lies in nature’s laws.
7. Die Schöpfungslehre allein lebt der Logik.
7. The teaching of Creation alone enlivens logic.
Source: The book Genesis (by Petale / Billy)
* With suffering is meant, dealing with the effects of making mistakes, and learning from the effects, which teaches the truth. (=remark Jacob)
Example: When you run too fast and you trip and fall, you hurt yourself (suffer pain), from this experience you learn not to run too fast, and be mindful of your steps.) This principle is universal. (=remark Jacob)
** 'Wealth of the spirit' is more meant in first, the wealth of the consciousness and its consciousness-related development.
This because the material-consciounsess is the first and direct factor of evolution, while the spirit itself is the beneficiary of all the effort of the material consciousness / personality during life.
The spirit accumulates the essence of lived through and experienced knowledge, which is wisdom.(=remark Jacob)
Wisdom = Result of clear balance in logical knowledge and its experience as absolute determination.
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 399
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, March 09, 2014 - 08:27 pm: |
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Thank you Jacob for posting that.
1. The pure conscience is without fear.
(The conscience has no need to fear anything. Effortlessly, it remains balanced atop a rolling ball.)
2. The balance rests in knowledge.
(The essence of whatever is wondered is already known.)
3. The laws of nature rest in the plan of Creation.
4. The suffering bears the teaching of truth.
(Suffering reminds us of the reality of life.)
5. The wealth of the spirit is the value of the goal.
6. Justice lies in Nature's laws.
7. The teaching of Creation alone enlivens logic.
Life
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Matt
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Post Number: 418
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 10, 2014 - 04:48 pm: |
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Thanks a lot for that Jacob!
I really would like to see you doing more additions to the spiritual teachings. Much appreciation for what you have already contributed! |
Jacob
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Post Number: 144
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2014 - 01:13 pm: |
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Hi, Michael,
1. The pure conscience is without fear.
1. Das Gewissen der Reinheit ist ohne Furcht.
This is basically (as taught in the book Genesis) about knowledge and ignorance (unknowledge), the conscience forms out of the factors of 'Empfinden', understanding and intellect in connection with thought processes in which everything is sorted and logically integrated.
In unclarity, false thinking and assumption there is confusion and doubtfulness, which leads to fear of the unknown and fanatical belief in the unreal.
Only a conscience is pure (without fear) when living in knowledge, recognition and insight.
A famous example is the fear of death, many people don't know what it is and they fear for it, while people who do know what death is, do not fear because of this natural and unavoidable process.
2. Die Ausgeglichenheit ruhet im Wissen.
2. The balance rests in knowledge.
This is about the balance between positive and negative, the good and the bad (positive and negative / even when positive is certainly not always 'good' and negative is not always 'bad')
Both positive and negative are needed for balance, without the positive and negative there is no evolution, no knowledge, knowledge always composes out of equal parts positive and negative.
4. Das Leid trägt die Lehre der Wahrheit.
4. The suffering bears the teaching of truth.*
* With suffering is meant, dealing with the effects of making mistakes, and learning from the effects, which teaches the truth. (=remark Jacob)
Its not just suffering, also the joyful things in life remind us. There is no shadow without light.
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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