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Abdiel
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Post Number: 55
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 - 09:02 am: | 
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Ferbon:
Most pictures from the jewish holocaust during ww2 are in fact pictures from the christian holocaust in russia during russian revolution and the armenian genocidy...
If the holocaust was a fact why the population of Jews growed up after ww2?
If you remove 6 million to 15 million you will get about 9 million, but after ww2 the jewish population was 17 millions. These datas are from newsappers from that time and you cant negate it.
Another thing: In all invaded territory by germany during ww2 the jewish population was 2.3 millions of jews.
From where germany get the other 3.7 millions of jews?... by "MAGIC"? |
Gaiawingz
Member
Post Number: 112
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 - 11:49 am: |
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(A note to the moderators: I would have posted this in the 'Current Earth Events' thread, but evidently that thread has been closed down along with many others. Although this is not directly pertinent to WW3, I hope you will allow this post to go through with the knowledge and understanding that I will not post any further responses on the forum directly. If Earthling, or anyone else, sees fit to respond to what I have to say below, I encourage them to contact me directly via email.)
Earthling;
I have neither the time nor inclination to debate you on the merits of Muammar Gaddafi, in addition to which the forum here is certainly not the place to discuss the matter in any great depth. With that said, however, I would point out a few key things:
1) By no stretch of the imagination would I say that Gaddafi was an upstanding man of great honor and ethics. Obviously he had issues of his own, and certainly degeneracies of character for which certain of his people did suffer.
2) The GDP of Libya was reported at 74.232 Billion USD in 2010. In 2011 that number was more than halved, being 36.874 Billion USD.
3) In 2009, Libya was regarded as having the highest standard of living for the general population of any African country, and this followed a trend of increasing standards for years on end. Gaddafi accomplished these increases in the standard of living, and individual per capita income, without resorting to any loans or borrowed money from the IMF, thus keeping Libya out of debt to foreigners. The increase in the standard of living included raising the literacy rate to more than 90% of the population, from a ridiculously low rate of about 10%.
4) Under Gaddafi equal rights for women and black Africans were established, free education and healthcare were made available, work opportunities were made available for migrant workers from surrounding countries, and public works to provide safe drinking water and sanitation were established, among other benefits.
The reason I refer to Gaddafi's murder as a brutal event is because it was. As has been extensively documented, Gaddafi was surrendering the day he was murdered. There were white flags of surrender flying throughout his home city where he'd been holed up, and instead of taking him into custody to stand trial, he was murdered. Without delving into any so-called conspiracy theories about the matter, I do find it very coincidental that a man who had strong ties to Western leaders in Europe and America was conveniently murdered before being able to stand trial.
I could easily go on, but as I said, the FIGU forum is not the place to discuss this matter in depth, nor do I have any inclination to become involved in a lengthy debate with you about this. My final comment is simply this: I think it would have been immensely better if Gaddafi had been taken into custody to stand trial in a true court of law.
Peace;
- Gaia |
Stephen_moore
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Post Number: 344
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 - 12:54 pm: |
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Why is this thread being used as a posting area about the Jews, hitler and ww2?
I know of people who have had first hand knowledge of what happened to the Jewish people at the hands of the Nazi's. No debate needed.
ww2 is over and gone by some 67 years. Yes it was a dark time for the history of earth but lets move on and make sure nothing like that happens again.
Salome
www.ufofacts.me.uk - www.thecircleforhumanity.net
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Indi
Moderator
Post Number: 692
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 - 05:53 pm: |
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I agree with Stephen
The moderators have given leeway for this conversation to get back on track to being related to FIGU material, but it seems that some cannot follow this direction, to provide proof of their claims and how it relates to what is found in the material that is the basis of this forum.
Thus, the moderators will at their own discretion allow, not allow, remove etc. any posts before, after posting or being placed in the queue, as their time permits or their eye notices and perceives necessary.
If some slip through please be patient.
Salome
Robyn
Denken Sie für sich selbst!
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Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 173
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 - 03:30 pm: |
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Abdiel
Let me just copy the reminder from Indi to let you rethink your idiotic posts. You seemed to missed it.
"... and if there is doubt about the holocaust, then raise it, but with some more evidence other than just a comment.
And, please relate your comments to the position that is presented in the Figu material.
Otherwise, the purpose of the forum is not being fulfilled." |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 668
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 - 05:28 pm: |
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Gaia, as has also been extensively documented, Gaddafi upon surrendering, or was it getting caught in a drainage ditch during a failed attempt to escape? .. no matter, he received the same treatment as he rendered upon his own countrymen who surrendered to him ( an ice-cold execution), also without the benefit of a trial in a true court of law.
And I wonder, if he had done so much good for Libya as you say, (and I don't doubt what you say) why things ended as they did with he, his family, his hired & paid military & foreign assassins vs. the rest of the country.
Bruce
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Rintintin
Member
Post Number: 39
Registered: 04-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 02:27 pm: |
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Hi...
According to the prophecies, who will win the next U.S. Civil War, the American people or the federal government? |
Hunter
Member
Post Number: 376
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2012 - 07:15 am: |
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RTT,
I don't think the prophecies allude to who will win. It sounds like we all may lose to a degree because the U.S. will split into 5 regions and sectarian fanatics will govern at least some of these regions as dictatorships.
But again, as with any prophecy, it can be changed. And I don't know if it is stated that the next civil war will come before, during or after World War 3.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Hunter
Member
Post Number: 377
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2012 - 02:24 pm: |
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This is a very good blog post. As you will see from the direction these people want to move in, it matches much of what Meier has warned about:
Anyone wondering why war propaganda always carries the day and always succeeds? Anyone wondering why Afghanistan is such a disaster?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/128948.html
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Rintintin
Member
Post Number: 40
Registered: 04-2012
| | Posted on Friday, December 21, 2012 - 12:47 pm: |
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Hi...
Do you remember that the prophecy said that the civil war in USA begins gradually with massacres perpetrated by the same U.S. GOVERNMENT Against their own people?
I think the civil war in USA will occur during Obama administration.
It seems that this slaughter in school of Connecticut is a secret GOVERNMENT operation to justify the illegality of gun and the second amendment of the USA constitution.
The U.S. goverment is slaughtering his own people, because a police state is incompatible with a armed people with ability of self defend.
This video is an analysis of all the clues that it appears that this masacre was a macabre operation of GOVERNMENT. Unfortunately the video is in Spanish.
VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4RamtdSHZY&feature=player_embedded |
Flaming_pie
Member
Post Number: 44
Registered: 11-2012
| | Posted on Friday, December 21, 2012 - 06:21 pm: |
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Rintintin,
You can't say that the terrible tragedy that happened in Connecticut was secret government. But I would agree there seems to be a lot of creepiness to it. Like the Batman clues; and the possible second shooter that was taken into custody, sat in the front of the police car, but then we hear nothing more in the news. A more neutral-positive way at looking at it is that it might be secret government, but we don't know for sure. It very well could be just what the news is reporting, a very sick kid that turned into a monster.
But the US government is not "slaughtering his own people," at least not in the open. And I don't recall the prophecies saying that the US civil war(s) were "perpetrated by the same U.S. GOVERNMENT..."
But you are right about one thing though. The US government would love to disarm the American people. I don't think Billy would support a disarmament of the American people, being he is armed himself. The media and politicians are ignoring the facts, making up things, to HARD SELL the American people on heavy gun control because of this sad crisis. The only solution that makes any sense to me to protect children at school starting immediately, is that same solution presented by the NRA, is to place law enforcement, or at least armed security, at every school in America -- Period! Banning large capacity magazines and semi-automatics will increase crime not lower it. The bad guys will always have guns; and the only way to protect yourself from a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Banning guns does nothing to protect children. Why is the media and politicians not calling for "airport-like security?" You would think these people would go that route given the war on terror and everything. They only want to turn this tragedy into a way of disarming the American people of self defensive (or offensive) firearms.
Regards,
Anthony Alagna
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Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 178
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 04:27 am: |
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Rintintin
You base your judgment on the feed from the media, meaning whatever has been approved to be aired. Then you put all eggs to the same basket - which is quite mad.If you're such a fanatic and eager to conspire, why not write this on your poster?
"Banning guns does nothing to protect children" Flaming_pie
..end then explain to anyone interested what do you mean by that.It should actually do more than propagating conspiracy theories.
btw. where the "plot" of disarming people originated from? And how does this suppose to relate to the civil war?
I don't remember Russian government disarming anybody before red revolution and what about Chinese revolution, building Berlin's wall or any other before that? Wars of this sort start by social unrest, animosity caused by stark social differences, apartheid, racism, religion, ethnicity, territory, etc. - not disarmament.
Salome |
Abdiel
Member
Post Number: 60
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 07:49 am: |
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Hey flaming:
You for all use the terms as "neutral-possitive" and another figu patented words.
You behave like a fanatical from the christian religion. You know, Those fanaticals that use special patented terminology and words created by the christian sects.
Use your own terminology... |
Michaelhelfert
Member
Post Number: 219
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 01:26 pm: |
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Re: the civil war in America.
When in Switzerland I asked about this and was told that it wouldn't be in our lifetimes. That's all that was said about it.
Life
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Flaming_pie
Member
Post Number: 45
Registered: 11-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 04:04 pm: |
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Heil Abdiel,
Hahahahaha. *I take another swig of my Chelada* Since when is "neutral-positive" a patented word? Besides, I used the word neutral-positive in a sentence to describe something unrelated to Figu.
Please do not say that I behave "like a fanatical from christian religion." For one thing, I really do not like religion at all. I think that religion is worse than crack. And secondly, I do not follow Billy Meier! How dare you imply that. I'll cut you somewhat of a break because I think English is your second language.
But my friend, look up at the sign. What does it say? It says Billy Meier's forum! So naturally I'm going to be using the Figu terminology and so should you.
A fanatical will use a group's terminology "word for word" because they believe; but a non-believer, free thinker sees both the terminology and some possibilities and links them up together.
Kind regards,
Anthony Alagna
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Flaming_pie
Member
Post Number: 46
Registered: 11-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 05:41 pm: |
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Hi Ferbon,
"Wars of this sort start by social unrest, animosity caused by stark social differences, apartheid, racism, religion, ethnicity, territory, etc. - not disarmament."
Yes, I agree with you about the prophecies of 2 civil wars being about social unrest. But I do think disarmament is a huge piece of the puzzle. Right now, there is a huge buying spree going on for firearms in the US. The government background checks are overwhelmed with firearm purchase applicants right now the likes not seen in decades! There are lines right now at gun stores, sold out of pallets of ammunition and firearms. And this is way, way beyond a Christmas sales boom. The American people are definitely in defiance of the possible harsh gun laws.
In my opinion, this horrible tragedy at Sandy Hook, the possible civil wars, are the direct result of OVERPOPULATION. This sick kid who committed such horrible acts, was suffering the ills of an overpopulated social scene, entertainment scene, goods & services market, job market, economy, etc., just like all of us, but he obviously must have been religious in some form or another to have ZERO personal responsibility to become a killer and then take his own life. So religion has obviously added to this tragedy. Very, very, very sad. If only this kid learned about the spirit teaching he might have turned out different and not taken the lives all those innocent children and people.
Best regards,
Anthony Alagna
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Rintintin
Member
Post Number: 41
Registered: 04-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, December 22, 2012 - 01:56 pm: |
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Hi all...
In my opinion the government is following a master plan to destroy de U.S. Constitution since the decade of the 60s
Obama and many around him suggested several times to change the U.S. Constitution by South Africa Constitution. Obama spent 20 years attending a church where a pastor is preaching hate against the American people. Obama hate the U.S. Constitution.
The second amendment was not created to protect us from criminals as the morbid and perverse controlled press wants you to believe.
The second amendment of the Constitution was created to make the American people in a regulator of their own GOVERNMENT, so that the government does not commit crimes against the people.
The pillars of freedom that provides the first amendment is held on the second amendment. The Second Amendment protects the First Amendment. Once you destroyed the Second Amendment and disarm the American people the whole structure of fredom will fall in to the HELL.
Two strange massacres, one in a movie theater in Oregon and now one in the state of Illinois. And the official version of the research produced more questions than answers.
In my opinion, if the government is behind this is playing with fire!!!
Regards |
Corey
Member
Post Number: 336
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2012 - 08:32 am: |
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Michaelhelfert,
"When in Switzerland I asked about this and was told that it wouldn't be in our lifetimes. That's all that was said about it."
Thanks for the insight.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Markcampbell
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Post Number: 816
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2012 - 06:13 pm: |
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Rintintin ;
I have read your post , and here is my summary of it in short : Blah blah blah .... no proof , not supported by fact or reference . Sit down , and be silent . Have an eggnog . |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 2628
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 24, 2012 - 02:24 am: |
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Hi Michaelhelfert and Corey....
Yes, quite - to the point - information.
We still have to keep in mind it is a Prophecy(Alterable)....and NOT a
Prediction(Unalterable). Thus, it does NOT have to happen.
Thus, it does NOT have to occur....or will just occur at a later time, in the
Future. Just depends, on the American people....and the ruling government.
AND, the Gun Laws!!
Plejarans, did not for nothing call America and its people Krieg Folk-War
Race/People, for nothing, you know...; and, the weapon industry earn buckets
of money....with their weapons sales!!!! NRA, IS the WEAPON INDUSTRY!!!
Putting armed cops in schools, etc.: will just boost their weapons sales even
more$$$$ Just the way the want it$$$$$ We have to OPEN our eyes, here....
Thus, a reduction in weapons would be very advisable, I think. Just too may
WAR Guns...floating around, which, should not be there. If an America Civil
War would break out, there are other ways top acquire weapons, on?
What happened at the kindergarden school, last week, is a goed example what
should NOT have to occur. We had such a nut/kid do the same thing here in
Holland some years back, with an Army Automatic rife; killing so many people
in a mall shopping mall. Police knew, he had mental problems but...still,
gave him the license for the rife! CRAZY!! So, the last couple of years, the
police confiscated over 600 weapons and took away their shooting license as
well; they were, mentally not in order, or due to whatever back situation.
THIS, is a very good start. Would be very advised to conduct this in America,
also, I would think.
Edward. |
Joe
Member
Post Number: 234
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Monday, December 24, 2012 - 02:10 am: |
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Michaelhelfert,
"Re: the civil war in America.
When in Switzerland I asked about this and was told that it wouldn't be in our lifetimes. That's all that was said about it."
If I may ask, was it Billy who told you this or a FIGU core group member? |
Flaming_pie
Member
Post Number: 47
Registered: 11-2012
| | Posted on Monday, December 24, 2012 - 07:40 am: |
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Hi Edward,
"THIS, is a very good start. Would be very advised to conduct this [gun confiscation] in America,
also, I would think."
What about the Center Edward? Do you think Billy should turn in his army weapons [SROT movie 1:19] and allow the Center to be defenseless? What about a future Center in America? Should the people with a US Center be allowed defensive firearms like Switzerland to protect the people?
I can't understand how you can ignore the root problem to all of this: OVERPOPULATION and RELIGION! AND, how can you not see the logic in putting security at every school in America? This move would not only protect children from firearms, but other forms of attack too! Not only that, but a law enforcement presence at schools would also cut down on other crimes like drugs and gangs. Putting cops or security teams in schools would also boost the economy. Everybody wins with this move. Banning guns to stop murder is like banning forks to stop obesity.
I agree with government oversight, responsible businesses, and responsible owners, and training. This is where gun law reform needs to go. But banning weapons does the opposite of what it is intended to do, to protect people. The problem Edward is that there is a HUGE population (an overpopulation of guns because of an overpopulation of people) of gun in America. By banning them you destroy a transparent above ground market, with a hidden, more prolific, black market. And by banning weapons, then only criminals have guns and law abiding citizens are left defenseless in advertised defenseless zones.
Kind regards,
Anthony Alagna
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Michaelhelfert
Member
Post Number: 221
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Monday, December 24, 2012 - 07:24 am: |
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Howdy Joe, my memory isn't always the perfect. If I remember it right, I got my response from one of the CG49. I don't recollect who, only that it was a male. I seem to remember that he had asked the same question to Herr Meier, and received that answer, so he passed it on to me verbatim. I have wondered exactly what the answer meant, since there's more than one way to interpret it.
Unless somebody else has input here, because I brought it up I will query him the next chance I get, even though this topic may be (like some others I mention) abit politically incorrect. From what I gathered, Herr Meier doesn't really want to address the topic, but rather let it play itself out unhindered by anything FIGU might say or do, but I could be wrong in this. Since I might miss the chance to ask at the monthly question period, please feel free to ask about it too.
Life
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