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Justsayno
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Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2013 - 08:41 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You are missing the point Eddie, people may think they are joining for fellowship but they always end up staying for personal gain. Is it really about making the community better or is it about making your fellow masons richer? My masons recently got a huge discount on their property taxes...no other charitable organization gets that...so I guess the members got to keep a sizable chunk of change for themselves. It would have been pretty cool if they took that money and actually did something that would make a difference, but they didn't. If you have the stats on how many secret service agents are freemasons, would love to hear it. Plus you don't get "to the heart of scientology church" if you didn't fall for it in the first place.
Matt, I'm not saying you don't love your grandfather, I'm just saying you have an illusion of your grandfather being a certain way, which may not correspond to the truth. Don't take it personally although I see you did.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Matthew
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Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2013 - 03:44 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Justsayno - Please read people's posts fully & clearly before setting out to respond to them. That way we can communicate in a logical sequence. For example, I asked, "Do you have a problem with that?" i.e., me saying that I love my grandfather. You responded - "I'm not saying you do not love your grandfather" Excuse me but I never questioned/cared/knew that you did. I asked 'Do you have a problem with me saying that I loved my grandfather?' Please answer the question in a logical way. Thanks.

In your response you do not answer logically and then go on suggest that I didn't know him because he is a mason and, in your world view, mason = bad person. Love = Good so Mason cannot = love. Is that seriously how you are thinking about my posts above? Your view on this matter is very limited if you think that way. It's the same religious/sectarian thinking that says that all the police are bad people, or all asians/blacks/whites are evil. It's prejudicial thinking = sectarian religious type of simple thinking. The type that knows, "All tomatoes are red" so yellow tomatoes are not tomatoes. All UFO stories are crap so Billy Meier's story is also crap.

Isn't the world a bit more interesting and complex than that?

You assume to know my relationship with my grandfather because you have read a bit about freemasonry some place. Are you basing your arguments on your local editors "...three part series about all the freemasons since its inception"? Why did your editor do a three part series? Money? Sales? How many more sales did your editor make during those three weeks I wonder. Times that by a thousand and you get the picture why so much nonsense is written about freemasonry. Freemasons don't make money from the baseless things you accuse it of but publishers surely do from the rubbish spread. Here in the UK the masons have opened their doors to let previously secret ceremonies be watched and filmed to dispel many of the myths people accuse them of.

The other important question to consider here is, 'Who benefits and continues to benefit by the Freemasons being wrongfully accused for many of the ills in the world?" Which group/s are passing the buck and benefit by escaping such public scrutiny? Maybe it is better to follow finance to get a better picture as to who is pulling the strings than to follow the self disclosed freemasons and accuse them of groundless things.

Myself and Eddie have first hand knowledge of freemasonry that counters the conspiracy nonsense. Isn't this like the Meier story, i.e., lot's of people making baseless accusations against Billy whilst ignoring all the first-hand witness testimonies and evidence in detail?

We have to look a bit harder and further to establish the truth about anything; including the freemasons. Other than some evidence that in the US, the Southern State Lodges were, surprise, suprise, probably a bit racist I see no evidence forthcoming from you that the Freemasons are anything like the evil cult today you describe in your previous posts.

Matt
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Eddieamartin
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Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2013 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bruce, thank you for that.

Ramirez, yes, there are many unworthy of membership. As it was explained to me by real masons, it is better that these unworthy individuals remain members in the hope that one day they may realize the error of their thinking. That this was the reason and purpose of the virtues they learn about.

I can only speak for myself and the individuals I came to know, respect and admire in the masonic lodges. From whom I learned what it means to be a mason . These were very high ranking individuals whom I guarantee you that you would be impressed with their modesty, integrity, selflessness and generosity. It was from them that I first began to learn the effect one has on his fellow man when one embodies virtues. These experiences allowed me to recognize the even greater wisdom in Sfath and Semjase. I cannot begin to articulate how it benefited me while investigating the Meier case and the Plejaren. I only hope that Billy has more from the great Jshwjsh Sfath that we can read or that he can tell us in person; I recognized in Sfath a very highly developed spirituality which resonated with me. Sfath's spirituality gave me the drive to study the Teaching and it has benefited me in ways I cannot do justice here.

Justsayno, I ended up staying with the mission and I arduously study the GoT, GotT and the TJ daily. I have reaped great rewards from this and have gained incredible insights and cognitions. I would consider these to be "benefits". I see nothing wrong with someone gaining benefits from their associations, memberships and so forth from joining an organization or group of their choosing.

You would be shocked to learn how much masons give and how much they do and, even more impressive is the fact that very few outside of them actually know they even did anything. Your case is a perfect example.

When I say that I have been to the "heart" of the Scientology church I am referring to going deeply within their walls. There are people alive today grateful that I was able to help them get out. I learned a great deal about cults from this and other cults. I also experienced aspects of the power of the consciousness in those situations which I have been learning to understand them and, what they are, from the Meier material. I was not a believer or member. It's just that my life has taken me into these types of places and organizations and I was enriched thereby and learned a great deal which was explained and expounded on through the study of the Meier material. This post would be a long one if I were to attempt to articulate it all.

I cannot give you information of the type you request. Neither would it be of any use by your self.

My apologies to the moderators for continuing this off-topic discussion. I believe we are done with freemasonry now, correct? I hope so :-)-Scott

Salome,
Eddie}

(Message edited by scott on April 10, 2013)
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Blake_p
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Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2013 - 04:36 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry to interrupt the intense conversation but i think i found out why Kim j U and Kim j i do what they do,they're just "lonely",

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ
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Ramirez
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Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2013 - 06:48 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Sorry to interrupt the intense conversation but i think i found out why Kim j U and Kim j i do what they do,they're just "lonely","

If they joined a lodge or began writing here that would soon end ..... lively conversation, interesting information about goings on and things even stranger than what occur in NK like ufo .... an intergalactic fellowship without borders.
Cheers.
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Justsayno
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Posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2013 - 08:10 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Last post on the subject, it's good to know who you've given your allegiance to. Thanks for that.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Edward
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Posted on Monday, April 15, 2013 - 01:18 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi All....


If I remember it correctly, Billy once said that the Freemasons, is a Cult
Religion. A Cult Religion WITHIN a Cult Religion, in the sense, that ANYONE
who is already a Believer of whatever (Cult) Religion, can partake in this
Religion. So, the members are just being 'fooled' as usual!! And, that they
are out for Power and Materialism.

So, them being 'innocent' as they say themselves to be...: I would let you
all decide for yourselves....

Thus, those Freemasons....whom belong to the US 'Government Within a
Government', would indeed, not shy to provoke WW3/4....[Not to forget their
ally Masons...in the EU, Australia, etc....; they have a Bond...'till
Death...do we part!']


Edward.
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Eddieamartin
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Posted on Monday, April 15, 2013 - 07:34 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Edward,

For your own sense of clarity and knowledge. Please find where Billy made this/these statements.

As they are in complete conflict with what he and Semjase discussed.

I have included the links to the conversation between the two in a post above already. So please locate where you read your claims.

By the way, if anything, I can assure you that the freemasons would deter and prevent world war 3/4 if it were in their power of influence.

Salome,
Eddie
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Matt
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Posted on Monday, April 15, 2013 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Edward,

Yes, I remember Billy saying something along those lines too.

I watched a Freemason documentary on the History channel and there was this US Congressman boasting that half of Congress were Freemasons. He took the news crew on a guided tour of the Congress halls. I'm sure others here might have seen it too. The point I'm making is that we know that Congress has a very influential role in US politics, home and abroad.
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Matthew
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Posted on Monday, April 15, 2013 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Edward,

Please provide a reference for the views expressed in your Post Number 2724. Hopefully this will be the last word on this, but after just a five-minute search on the subject of the freemasons, I found the following information from Billy...

"FIGU Special Bulletin 035, May 2007.

But the Freemasons and the Illuminati also belong to the alleged evil "conspiracy", as however also the already mentioned alleged Jewish world conspiracy, and so forth, about which an enormous amount of nonsense is repeated by all the conspiracy theorists who, with their dimwittedness which they record in their books, earn a lot of money and shift their readers into angst and terror."

_________________________

Questions to Billy (answered)

"Michael_d
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 09:26 pm:

Dear Billy,
Thank you for answering my last question about Secret Societies. I had actually meant to ask you about the Skull and Bones Society instead of the New World Order, as I do recall you previously mentioning they are truly a world-wide menace.
In your answer about the Freemasons and Illuminati, you said they are harmless in their religious form and with the spreading of conspiratorial theories. Is there another form in which they presently exist where they are NOT harmless?
Best wishes.

Answer:
Well, there will be certain individuals among the great number of Freemasons who are living for their own selfish objects and are striving for goals that are sinister and not for the good of humankind. But this claim may also matter with all groups of people within religions, political parties, sects, etc. etc. The Freemasons are really a harmless organizations.
(Note by CF: There are many people who are searching for conspiracy where there is none. And such people may also be found among the readers of this forum, like e.g. regarding the chemtrail issue. Of coarse there is real conspiracy in this world, and one good example can be read in the report of the 203rd contact of September 10, 1985, where Quetzal was saying that there were only 37 persons involved in the Apollo 11 moon-landing hoax which, among other things, involved hypnosis.)"

Salome,

Matt
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Rintintin
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Posted on Monday, April 15, 2013 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi...
In Europe it is a crime to speak the truth about Jews. Do not force Meyer to discuss something that can put him in the crosshairs of these dangerous internationals groups.

Zionist financial elites were able to bring the world to two world wars, Imagine you can not do them!
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Matt
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Posted on Monday, April 15, 2013 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Billy didn't say that ALL Freemasons are harmless. He is saying that the ones in positions of power are sinister and are not for the good of humankind.

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Well, there will be certain individuals among the great number of Freemasons who are living for their own selfish objects and are striving for goals that are sinister and not for the good of humankind.


Low ranking Freemasons (which is the bulk of them who are religous) have no idea what the high ranking Freemasons are doing. And when you look at most Freemasons in positions of power throughout the world like in Congress, military, corporations and politics, you will notice that they are mostly high ranking Freemasons (which is the minority of Freemasons). In this respect the bulk of Freemasons are harmless because Freemasonry is built on the pyramid system.
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Eddieamartin
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Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Matt,

Billy did not say that it is the "high ranking" as you misquoted him.

Exactly Billy's remark I have already addressed and explained in a response to Ramirez above. It is no different than even with members of this forum. There will always be a couple of bad apples in a basket of apples.

Are you even acquainted with a "high ranking" mason? Are you aware of what "high ranking" means?

Where did you get the following from?

"Low ranking Freemasons (which is the bulk of them who are religious) have no idea what the high ranking Freemasons are doing."

This one made me chuckle the most; never the less, I am interested in your answer.

Thanks and salome,
Eddie
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Edward
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Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Matt and Matthew...


Matt: Yes, you got the idea.


Matthew: I am familiar with your excerpts....

Billy has said other things over the years, too; besides what you posted.


Edward.
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Matthew
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Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 - 02:35 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rintintin - Billy has been at crosshairs from the very beginning because he speaks the truth. 21 documented assassination attempts on his life is testament to the fact that he does not tone down his message to appease those who may threaten him. You suggest that Billy is toning down his "real" message and misinforming us to avoid trouble. Are these conspiracy theories so important to you that you accuse Meier of watering down his message and misinformation rather than just accept that there is no conspiracy? Maybe this puts you at the crosshairs of your own misunderstanding? Just a thought.

Matt - I think you are reading way too much into what Meier said and trying to find support for a conspiracy theory when there is none. Nowhere in the quotes I provided does Meier say anything about "low" and "high" ranking Freemasons in the way you describe. You just made that up. Billy makes the point that in ANY group or organisation you will have some individuals whose values leave a lot to be desired. That is the reality of the world we live in today. Meier does talk about these conspiracy theories as "nonsense" but it seems you ignored that piece of information. Why?

Matt
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Matt
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Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Eddie and Matthew,

Billy didn't have to say high ranking Freemasons. I deduced that he was referring to the ones in some sort of power outside of Freemasonry that are sinister and are not for the good of humankind. They have to be to exert power. And as I said when you look at Freemasons in positions of power throughout the world like in military, corporations politics, ect, you will notice that they are mostly high ranking Freemasons. That's why I feel Billy said the Freemasons are really a "harmless organizations in their religious form". The majority of Freemasons are harmless.

One may even speculate that there is a secret society within a secret society with Freemasonry. But they are the minority of Freemasons.
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Matthew
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Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 03:47 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Edward & Matt,

Please provide at least one quote from Billy to support the views you express in your previous posts so that we avoid the spreading of hearsay, lies and nonsense.

Please know from me that if the Freemasons were to disappear overnight, I would not shed one tear over them. I am, however, interested in the truth and try to avoid the wasting of my time over groundless theories that will, inevitably, lead to my confusion. I was convinced for years that 9/11 was an inside job and indulged in fear and then I read the CR's about that event. Once I meditated on the information from these CR's, I could see clearly that IF these 9/11 conspiracy theorists were really correct, they would, in all probability, be assassinated before being able to spread their conspiratorial ideas to the general public. If the secret government were really able to kill thousands of people indiscriminately in 9/11 to further an agenda, they certainly would have no problem kicking over a few more dissident buckets that stood in their way. Luckily for us, the world is not as bad as we fantasise and we don't have to let our fears stop us from actually acting against the true evils of this world or let these fears pave the way for further evil actions to come about without effective opposition. Once the truth is acknowledged about a subject, it becomes obvious from all the available data and the gaps in previous thinking becomes clear. The good that exists in the world also becomes clear and so has a chance against human-sized ills rather than the behemoths we create for which there would be very little defense. Illogical fear is the enemy, not the enemy itself. There is a huge difference between facing reality and tackling evil actions as they appear than letting the imagination run riot so that even the smallest evil action is seen as total and unstoppable. I respect your right to believe in any theory, but I would expect some information from Billy and the Plejaren to support these beliefs, if you trust Billy's word. I think that these conspiracy theories about the Freemasons do not serve you well and mislead you and that you are wasting your time, but, then that is your right and there is really nothing else I can add to this discussion other than what I have already written.

Salome,

Matt
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Eddieamartin
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Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 08:21 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Matt,

I understand what you are saying and I even understand why you have come to those conclusions and speculations.

The best I can offer you is a suggestion to read chapter 25 verse 219 of the Goblet of the Truth.

219) Consider the real truth of the creation, as it is given through its laws and recommendations, it alone is reality, whereas every belief is wrong, irrespective of the form in which it is practised; so you shall not believe in any wise, also not with regard to things that you cannot understand, rather you must in all things search to understand, so that you find the real truth in everything over which you make thoughts and feelings, so also with regard to the effective truth and reality, wherein you can no longer be erring if you have found it and recognized it; therefore you must search, fathom and understand, because otherwise you tear open the gigantic gate to the Hell of the endless irrationalities, and with these irrationalities you fall prey to the belief in godheads, tin gods and idolized human beings, as you therewith also deny the truth and the life and degrade them down to the evil.

Salome,
Eddie
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Matt
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Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Matthew,

In my last post I did provide at least one quote from Billy to support my view.

I'm also not saying that ALL Freemasons in positions of power are striving for sinister goals either, just some.
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Matt
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correction: I'm also not saying that Billy is saying that ALL Freemasons in positions of power are striving for sinister goals either, just some.
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Michaelhelfert
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It seems to me that the Plejaren consider themselves relatively powerless if they are stumped by abunch of corrupt criminals who put themselves in charge of our little speck of dust. With all of their highfalutin technology and morality they oughta just present the state of things as they see it, without a care in the world as to which criminals get upset about what statements.

Of course, the Plejaren are concerned about an assassination of their man on Earth, which would be a great tragedy. Certainly keeping Herr Meier, the members of FIGU, and rest of us safe from harm is important. So, when Herr Meier is on his death-bed, will he change his tune?

Either the Plejaren and Herr Meier are being completely honest and forthright, or they are playing us for their purposes. In second guessing their behavior, I wonder if they want to build a realistic community which survives where an absolutely honest community would not. All I can say for certain is that I don't understand some of their statements.

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That said, much of what passes for conspiracy theory IS nonsense. This stuff can be initiated as a joke established by people with a weird sense of humor, a paranoid delusion played out on the grand stage, a deliberate confusion and obfuscation by the powers-that-be, or simply a misinterpretation of the facts. For the most part people are goodhearted, no matter if they are part of the CIA or NASA, the Freemasons or the Illuminati, or even among the unmentionable highly manipulative arbitrary anachronistic tribes that suffer no criticism... most people want to make the world a better place. But it only takes few bad apples to turn a carefree and fun bohemian party into a predatious Bohemian Grove.

Interpretations of the intention of these secret associations can be easily misguided. I don't think it's possible to separate out 'conspiracy theory' from this forum since the mere idea of extraterrestrial life has been so suppressed for so long by the powers-that-be that it has evolved into the ultimate conspiracy theory itself. Even though we may have a community of goodness to build in world of deceit, my personal preference is for the truth to be pronounced as it is no matter the consequences. I can live with dying, I just wanna know how.
Life
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Matthew
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Hi Michael,

I think the Plejaren do, "present the state of things", but, they are also high-spiritually evolved responsible human beings who have enough experience to care how their actions will effect others. In fact, they take the greatest of care, having learned from their ancient past, and they carry out scans of the future to see the results of every bit of information they release to earth human beings. The information they do present pertains often to already understood things about the world. A toaster will mean nothing to a cave man so there's no point giving them one. This is why they withhold information about, for example, the 7 forms of energy or hold back information for a while until things have blown over, as in, say, the assassination of the pope. These actions do not mean that they mislead us - only that they are very, very, careful - unlike us. If there are any dangers associated with releasing information they try to avoid stirring up a loud and destructive revolution of truth in favour of a more silent and peaceful revolution of truth.

I also think that the doubt around the integrity of information from the Plejaren came from an earlier contact report (cannot remember which one now) where the Plejaren describe some of the precautions that they will be difficult for Earth humans to take as they may struggle with the fact that these "God-like" people might be occasionally creative with the truth. There's a huge difference between what that means to us and what that means to them. I believe that they just have a more acute sense of the truth than us and that, to them, part-disclosure does not mean lying but holding back information that could be damaging for many reasons that we do not see. This does not mean however that the information contained in the 'part' is any less valuable the the 'whole' truth. Was the discovery of the wheel and less important than the invention of the car?

For example, first we were told that they were from the Pleiades and then they said no they were from Erra. This is not a conventional lie in the meaning of the word. They just did not tell the whole truth. There is a difference. Do you remember the scene from 'The Empire Strikes Back' where Obi-Wan Kenobi is confirming to Luke that Darth Vader is his father? Luke asks him why he did not tell him the truth before. Obi-Wan explains, "...so what I told you was true... from a certain point of view". In the case of the Plejaren, that 'certain point of view' is to do with their ability to assess the risks associated with telling the whole truth and OUR inability to see this. The whole truth is not always needed when only a part is required for explanation purposes. You do not need a whole army to crack open a nut. You do not need to eat the whole field of crops to satisfy a hunger.

The suggestion you make that the Plejaren are stumped only refers to information when Billy WILL NOT TALK = No information, about a particular subject for fear of that being used irresponsibly. We have to earn knowledge for it to become really useful. Without us having done the hard work to attain that knowledge we will not know the pitfalls and dangers that also exist in connection with this. The Plejaren have earned their knowledge. We have to try to do the same. Once again you do not put a cave man in the cockpit of a plane without him being very familiar with it. Remember when Jmmanuel suggests that we answer honestly by answering just, "Yes, yes" or "No, no" when we are asked to defend ourselves against false accusations? Jmmanuel advised us to answer honestly regardless of the threat. That was over 2000 years ago for Billy's spirit-form! Do you not think Billy has evolved since then and that he still answers honestly, even if not fully? I'm not trying to blow smoke up Billy but when he was younger, it is reported that he did not always defend himself against gossip or wrongful accusers. I guess that as a boy, Billy had an intelligent mind that would have attracted the rejection and false accusations of others, but, he followed his own teaching as Jmmanuel and held back from overly justifying himself if he felt he was wasting his energy doing so. I can see from his writing and interviews as an adult and having met Billy first-hand that he has developed into a man that understands how to speak the simple truth whilst being mindful of the possible consequences of over-elaborating. So you can be confident that when Billy clarifies a situation like with the many conspiracy theories that are floating about that he is telling the plain and simple truth and is not mincing his words and that he sets out to set the record straight and answer "Yes, yes or No, no". In fact, it could be argued that he is putting himself in more danger by answering honestly at all as he is letting us know who is not to blame and who should carry the blame for the ills in the world.

If Billy does hide information you can be sure that it is for ALL our good and certainly not to just to save his bacon, for which, as the prophet of the new age, he can even be, by his own admission, a little careless at seeing the negative effects of some of his disclosures. There is evidence of him getting unwell as a result of the mission and of him being shot at and yet, he carries on telling us the truth. He would be a fool if he released every name of every culprit involved in all real crimes, when those may be still active and able to harm others who may be pointing the finger. However he will say that these belong to such and such an organisation or body so that we know where to look. In fact, if you read the contact notes, there are many occasions when Billy is about to tell us something new and he stopped by the Plejaren for the good of himself. If anything, the Plejaren would say that Billy is fearless and wants to release all the information to us that he can, regardless of his own personal safety, but he is a human being like the rest of us and does not have a time machine at hand to see the results of his every disclosure.

I think that what Billy says about the Freemasons is the truth about the Freemasons. They are harmless as an organisation. That's all there is to know unless you have desires to become a Freemason and learn more about them. I am sure that there are very wealthy Freemasons that are good as well as bad and, also, not as wealthy Freemasons that are bad as well as good. There are still people however who insist on a conspiracy to do with the Freemasons despite the several clarifications Billy has made (see posts above). This is, in my opinion, a view desperately trying to cling onto its version of reality. It is us who lie to ourselves. People seem to be just trying to justify a conspiratorial view for its own sake or for fear that they may have been wrong about a subject = ego-mindedness. It seems that rather than question themselves, many people just refuse to accept what is there at face value and is obvious to anyone with real experience of a particular issue who has learned from that experience. Part-truth is still truth, just as, a handful of soil is still part of the earth. We cannot handle much more than a handful of truth at this stage of our evolution. Maybe we should trust Billy and the Plejaren to have the wisdom to know that and also stop looking into mirrors upon mirrors when the truth is staring us right in the face!

Salome,

Matthew
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Davidmg
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Posted on Sunday, April 21, 2013 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

After reading many of the Contact Notes I must say the Plejaren have a great deal of compassion towards many life forms. But when it comes to other worlds and communicating amongst who are capable of rational, critical and logical thinking the Plejaren will reciprocate the capacity to communicate in this manner. There is a reason why intellegent life is called intelligent. They are intelligent enough not to waste time trying to communcate with stubborn people whom have the intellect of a Goat.

.... Change his tune?

Please remember that the name of Edward means "The Guardian of the Treasure".

He has made a commitment and a promise. A promise that cannot be easily broken without consequences. Considering what Herr Meier has achieved for this world and others. I don't think that while on his death bed he is going to say "Just kidding !" That would damage a life time of hard work. Not to mention his Universal reputation.

Conspiracies are made when information that has been built and hatched by non-substantiate facts, poor data, egotistical suspicions, rampant emotions, uncontrolled fears, etc etc. How can anyone come to logical conclusion based on this type of illogical thought processing. When people learn to guard themselves from accepting untruths before verifying what has been laid in front of them, then they should have the ability to start the process of observation, research, evidence, analysis, filtering, practice, journalism, elimination, practice, concept, structure, proof, end result. When you eliminate the possibilities of falseness there is only one other choice. And besides a student is only worthy of a mark of his/her effort and determination to provide the listener/reader with fullest of facts not fiction.

I'd say Mr. Meier certainly has done his homework.

Davidmg

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