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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 395
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| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 - 07:53 am: | 
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Thanks Smukhuti for pointing out how my explanation requires some explanation.
In the equative progression stated above, the following statement might make it seem abit more balanced:
3. Creation is of love as love is of creation.
The point I was trying to make by stating 'Compassion needs know no reason.' is that love is not limited to the logical dictates of relativism, which is how it can relate to everything.
Love itself is ever mutably self-growing, self-initiating,
while threatening no boundaries.
Love goes with the flow,
enlivening the flow as the flow goes.
In pointing to this, I was attempting to obviate the limitations of learning (the educators lament), that relayed spiritual truths can only point out the direction for where to look:
under this rock thence under that rock thence under that rock and then over there,
for to truly get it, love must be found within. And when once grokked no explanation can furthermore suffice, no explanation can make any further sense of what belies the senses.
Only love.
Lieben und Leben
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 396
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| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 - 08:19 am: |
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But still, more words need to be applied.
I feel I must point out that I do not wish to dismiss the relaying of spiritual truths. I am still learning, about love and how to make sense of it, about creation and its relation to love. I am learning from you, and thank you for that, for I don't know everything, as so many people are able to point out. And I get concerned when I peer at NGC4636. I am concerned we will cause another self-destructive calamity, another testament to our own hard-won, obstinate beliefs, based on partial definitions of self and of love (of all things).
Love requires no belief. Love just is. In the context of destruction, the rest is just bullshit.
http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2001/0144/
Lieben und Leben
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 397
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| | Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 - 08:32 am: |
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Or perhaps,
3. Creation is of love is of creation.
Anyway, hopefully you get the idea.
Lieben und Leben
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 412
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 08:28 pm: |
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I am not sure I understand exactly what is meant by distinguishing 'effective love'. Robjna, when you get the time and inclination, would you explain this abit more?
Fur leben.
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 413
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 08:22 pm: |
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In considering further studies of love, and cross-referencing the terms 'love' and 'creation', I thought this exposition to be worth reiterating under this forum's topic.
-m
In the Figu material, love is discussed. However, it becomes clear that the love that is being discussed is not the mushy, grasping, or humanitarian type love that is bandied around, but instead, it is referring to a much more encompassing Love.
This love concept, can be seen as either affective or effective love, affective referring to more of the romantic style of love, and is characterized by its transient nature, in that it comes and goes, rises to great heights and then plummets to great depths, leading often to despair etc....
Effective love on the other hand is a love that is based in our innermost being and is in no way transient, can never transpire. This effective love is the love that Creation is, and that we also can sense/perceive and feel.
This translation below, is another small description of Creations love. At another time, I will post one on affective and effective love.
Here is my authorized yet unofficial translation of a section of one of the Spirit lessons, which is also to be found in Wissenwertes No. 3, and which was kindly checked by Wiebke.
- Robjna
Creation's Love
English Translation
The Value of Knowledge No. 3 pages 9 to 11
LOVE Teaching letter No. 27, page 296.
No life is able to exist without love and without the light of truth. However, no light is able to exist without love and truth, and no truth is able to exist without light and love. True love, is true BEING, and it is the everlasting warmth from the centre of Creation, which is described as true existence. Love is the highest principle of Creation, and through it, everything exists in absolute logic.
The love of Creation is everywhere, because without it nothing at all would be able to exist. The individual should therefore be aware that he exists only through the love of Creation and that he carries this love also within himself. Creation created everything in love and logic and put the same love in all its creatures, so that life itself is love. Even if living in this world often seems to consist only of conflict and drudgery, this fact does not change.
Life has become primarily a heavy and tough battle only because people have turned away from Creation and have lost the knowledge of its existence. In undiminished size however, Creation lets its love become apparent nevertheless, through its creations. The person must only be willing to see and recognize this love, and he will begin to feel it. If he opens to the love of Creation and he allows it to flow into himself, he becomes filled with respectful gratitude and great joy.
Each smallest plant, each ever so tiny animal was created in love by Creation, each creation existing according to the same law of love. All life is in the absolute perfection that which it should be through the love of Creation, and except for humans, every life form lives exactly by this Creation’s plan. Only humans have turned away from love and must now learn again what true love is. The infinite love of Creation connects all life, because in all life this love lies hidden.
All of nature in its indescribable splendor is nothing but the love of Creation, which is expressed visibly. Its laws are so wonderfully arranged, that people everywhere come up against its radiating love. If he however, closes his senses, he may not feel it (empfinden), and hence he declares that there is no love in this world. But Creation has formed and arranged everything so wonderfully, so that people can recognize the majestic love of Creation at every moment and in every place.
Of course one cannot easily go there, to contemplate nature and to feel (empfinden) the love of Creation and also one’s own love, especially not when for many years one has felt differently. The way to sense (erfühlen) the love of Creation is primarily through thinking, because thinking influences feeling (Fühlen). If for example, one stands before a tree, one should become fully aware that this tree is the product of Creative love, just as the forces of nature, which enable it to grow and to flourish. This action may seem to be somewhat ridiculous or maybe even embarrassing at the beginning, because it is most unusual and, besides, the appropriate feelings (Gefühle) are still missing.
The longer, the more these thoughts effect loving feelings (Gefühle) and spiritual-fine-sensitive feelings Empfindungen and these in turn will make the bond with all life a certainty, that a simple blade of grass, a bird, a shrub or some other living creature is driven by the same love, to fulfill its purpose in Creation’s plan, as humans should also do as the highest life form on the planet since a long time ago. The human carries a fragment of Creation within, and therefore, the love of Creation within him is that power which he is able to evoke in himself. The more respectfully the love of Creation in all life is perceived and is felt (empfunden), the stronger it also becomes in the person. Then suddenly love is no longer such an insincere and longingly hoped for experience, but the real spiritual-fine-sensitive feeling (Empfindung) of one’s own mental effort.
So fine, thus satisfying and energizing it permeates the whole person, and once extensively making progress, the person will take it on willingly to work on himself, namely to maintain this love, to extend and nurture it. For himself, but also for Creation. The love is not unfathomably deep, it is immense power which never slept, active since ancient times, and immeasurably abundant and logic-laden. Love flourishes splendidly in all beings, in animals and flowers in the fields, in humans, in words and also in singing, and forever it will permeate the world. Love will continuously be the purpose of existence and all-timely it is given in logic.
- Billy
Original German
Von Wissenwertes No. 3 pps. 9-11
LIEBE Lehrbrief Nr. 27, Seite 296-.
Kein Leben vermag zuexistieren ohne Liebe und ohne das Licht der Wahrheit. Kein Licht aber vermag zu existieren ohne die Liebe und die Wahrheit, und keine Wahrheit vermag zu existieren ohne das Licht und die Liebe. Die wahrliche Liebe, sie ist das wahrliche SEIN, und sie ist die ewige Wärme aus dem Zentrum der Schöpfung, die als wahrliches Leben bezeichnet ist. Die Liebe ist das höchste Schöpfungsprinzip, in ihr und durch sie lebt alles in absoluter Logik.
Die Liebe der Schöpfung ist allüberall, denn ohne sie vermöchte gar nichts zu existieren. Der Mensch muss sich also darüber klar werden, dass er allein durch die Liebe der Schöpfung lebt und dass er selbst diese Liebe auch in sich trägt. Die Schöpfung schuf alles in Liebe und Logik und legte dieselbe Liebe in alle ihre Kreaturen, damit das Leben selbst Liebe sei. Auch wenn das Leben auf dieser Welt oft nur aus Kampf und Mühsal zu bestehen scheint, hat sich an dieser Tatsache nichts geändert.
Das Leben ist hauptsächlich nur deshalb zu einem schweren und harten Kampf geworden, weil die Menschen sich von der Schöpfung abgewandt und das Wissen um ihre Existenz verloren haben. In unverminderter Grösse lässt aber die Schöpfung ihre Liebe durch alle ihre Kreationen dennoch sichtbar werden. Der Mensch muss nur gewillt sein, diese Liebe zu sehen und zu erkennen, und er wird beginnen, sie zu fühlen. Wenn er sich der Liebe der Schöpfung öffnet und sie in sich fliessen lässt, so wird er erfüllt mit ehrfürchtiger Dankbarkeit und grosser Freude.
Jedes kleinste Gewächs, jedes noch so winzige Tier wurde in Liebe von der Schöpfung erschaffen, jede Kreation lebt nach demselben Liebe-Gesetz. Alles Leben ist in absoluter Vollkommenheit das, was es durch die Liebe der Schöpfung sein soll, und ausser dem Menschen lebt alles Leben genau nach diesem Schöpfungsplan. Der Mensch allein hat sich von der Liebe abgewandt und muss nun wieder erlernen, was wahrliche Liebe ist. Die unerschöpfliche Liebe der Schöpfung verbindet alles Leben miteinander, weil in allem Leben diese Liebe verborgen liegt.
Die ganze Natur in ihrer unbeschreiblichen Pracht ist nichts als die Liebe der Schöpfung, die sich im Sichtbaren ausdrückt. Ihre Gesetze sind so wundervoll eingerichtet, dass dem Menschen überall ihre Liebe entgegenstrahlt. Wenn er aber natürlich seine Sinne verschliesst, so kann er sie auch nicht empfinden, und daher behauptet er, es gäbe keine Liebe auf dieser Welt. Doch die Schöpfung hat alles so wundervoll gestaltet und eingerichtet, damit die Menschen zu jeder Zeit und an jedem Ort die majestätische Liebe der Schöpfung erkennen können.
Natürlich kann man nicht einfach hingehen, die Natur betrachten und die Liebe der Schöpfung und auch die eigene Liebe empfinden, vor allem dann nicht, wenn man jahrelang anders empfunden hat. Der Weg, die Liebe zu erfühlen, läuft in erster Linie über das Denken, weil ja das Denken das Fühlen beeinflusst. Steht man nun zum Beispiel vor einem Baum, dann soll man sich ganz bewusst machen, dass dieser Baum das Produkt schöpferischer Liebe ist, genauso wie die Naturgewalten, die ihm das Wachsen und Gedeihen ermöglichen. Dieses Vorgehen mag einem am Anfang etwas komisch oder vielleicht sogar peinlich vorkommen, denn es ist höchst ungewohnt und zudem fehlen die entsprechenden Gefühle noch.
Je länger je mehr bewirken diese Gedanken liebevolle Gefühle und Empfindungen, und diese wiederum machen die Verbundenheit mit allem Leben zur Gewissheit, dass ein einfaches Gras, ein Vogel, ein Strauch oder ein anderes Lebewesen von derselben Liebe getrieben seine Aufgabe im Schöpfungsplan erfüllt, wie dies die Menschen als höchste Lebensform des Planeten schon längst auch tun sollten. Der Mensch trägt ein Teilstück der Schöpfung in sich, und deshalb ist die Liebe der Schöpfung in ihm jene Kraft, die er selbst in sich wachzurufen vermag. Je ehrfürchtiger die Liebe der Schöpfung in allem Leben erkannt und empfunden wird, desto stärker wird sie auch im Menschen selbst. Plötzlich ist dann die Liebe nicht mehr einfach nur ein so falsch und sehnsüchtig erhofftes Erleben, sondern die reale Empfindung der eigenen Gedankenarbeit.
So fein, so beglückend und stärkend durchdringt sie den ganzen Menschen, und einmal so weit vorangeschritten, wird der Mensch die Arbeit an sich selbst, nämlich diese Liebe zu erhalten, zu erweitern und zu pflegen, gerne auf sich nehmen. Für sich selbst, aber auch für die Schöpfung. Die Liebe ist nicht unergründbar tief, sie ist grosse Kraft, die niemals schlief, die wirkend ist von Urewigkeit her, und unermessbar reich und logikschwer. Liebe blühet herrlich in allem Sein, in Tieren und Blumen am Wiesenrain, im Menschen, im Wort und auch im Singen, und ewig wird sie die Welt durchdringen. Stetig wird Liebe das Ziel sein vom Leben und allzeitlich wird sie in Logik gegeben.
- Billy
References
http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi?pg=next&topic=12&page=9552
Fur leben.
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Jacob
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Post Number: 570
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2011 - 02:49 pm: |
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Hello Ramirez,
When I spoke about the creation of Universal Love in a person, it is something which is a sign of a highly developed consciousness, its an effective loveform not an affective loveform, it cant be destroyed or undone.
Think of this: There is only (one) Universal love, its everywhere the same, it only differs in its intensity, but frequency and principle is universally the same.
The Universal Love of the Creation is immeasurable stronger then that of a human being, however it’s the same vibration and same principle.
To have Universal Love inside of you is to be connected with ALL of the Creation, in truth, knowledge and wisdom in understanding of the natural-creative laws and recommendations.
To have Universal Love inside of you is to have the reality of the Creation and the oneness with all that exists closer to you then your own breath.
To have Universal Love inside of you is to have the absolute certainty in wisdom that any of your thoughts, feelings and actions affect the whole of the Creation and affect yourself.
To have Universal Love inside of you is to lose your ego (note: not your ‘Self/identity), in the grand-unity of the Creation.
When Universal Love is created amongst people, their ties as a people get stronger.
In the course of consciousness-related evolution the intensity of Universal Love grows up to a point where there is no longer need for a human course-material body or course-material planet and the cycle of reincarnation ends in itself.
One can not create Universal Love just by knowing of its principle, the pre-requisites are a very thorough knowledge of the Truth of the Creation, its laws and recommendations in wisdom, however it should never stop people from creating the effective love impulse in themselves, because with everything, Love starts in the smallest places.
Here the definition of (Universal) Love:
Love is absolute certainty of oneself living and existing in everything that exists: In fauna and flora, in the fellow-human being, in each material and spiritual life form of any kind, and in the existence of the entire universe and beyond it.
Love in its essential definition means this:
To feel absolute certainty that one lives in all existent in absolute certainty and absolute feeling that the existence of the others is a part-existence of ones own existence, regardless if its a plant, spiritform, an animal, a planet, a rock or a fellow human being.
Love is the absolute certainty and the absolute knowledge and the absolute feeling and the absolute grasping, that ALL life is a part of ones own life, while everything is a whole-us-collective (Gesamt-wir-form) in Ur-all-time BEING of all existence and only can exist in knowing and sensing of Love als whole-existence.
Love is the absolute knowledge and feeling, the absolute sensing and joint living in unity in Ur-identical form with all existent life in all whole-universal form and beyond that, in the absolute wisdom, that ones own existence is a part-existence of all other existent lifeforms, which are on their turn a part of ones own existence, and that all whole-universal lifeforms just exist because of this reason.
Love contains/holds within a logicality (Folgerichtigkeit), in other words: logicality lies in love, because love has a cause and an effect.
Love is created from causal factors, from what logicality results (depending on the love form and love intensity).
Besides love, that which is spiritual and consciousness-related also has a certain logical development = logicality.
Logic brings a certain effect from a cause, and this effect is cause for the next effect, etc.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 102
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 08:48 am: |
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I have a question.
(?) The BEING-ABSOLUTUM begat Creation (a spirit-form)?
If correct: Creation (as a spirit-form) the size of the tip of a needle (the same as that which we are; namely the spirit-form) was granted the opportunity that we ourselves have been granted by Creation.
(?) Creation therefore is a living conscious spirit-form with all of the associated, and capable of, feelings of compassion, kindness, consideration, thoughtfulness and love as our own spirit-form can enliven within us?
I consider the love one may have for a pet or a niece or a son or that a child has for a grandparent.
(?) Should we therefore consider also, that the spirit-form Creation is not bound with the limitations of the carnal influence, but rather is free and unencumbered, in its ability to fully and majestically exercise and express itself to its fullest potential?
Science today has observed and calculated that the universe continues to expand and grow in size.
(?) When one considers that our spirit-form is likewise composed of and is identical to Creation, as a spirit-form, and that we too possess, in equal measure, the same amount of energy, power and love immeasurable, as Creation; just how mighty are we?
(?) Should we not make efforts and attempts to reach in, through and past the limitations of our carnal material make-up and access this creational majestic power, which we can readily recognize in the love any of us have for a child, or a pet or even towards the action of another towards us?
In the TJ, Jmmanuel is constantly reasserting that Creation, with which our Consciousness (spirit-form) is a singular unified unit with, is immeasurable in its power and knows no limits of power.
(?) Am I correct that it is by the power of this love, by which all that we know of, and that is yet to be discovered, that made it possible that everything was created and materialized?
(?) If this indeed is the case, our solar system is but a molecule; like that of which the cells of our body are composed of.
In considering the energy output of our sun, which is dwarfed to a miniscule dust particle by other stars that have been discovered, was formed from the materialized energy that came from a spirit-form the size of the tip of a needle; to what measures can we cultivate and harvest this love to power our Consciouness abilities and power towards that or whom, which also, is likewise the same as we?
Your thoughts please?
Salome,
Eddie
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 428
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Eddie, I can only speak for my own cognitions. The terminology used here is somewhat vague, and my own vocabulary for these things is not so great either.
"(?) The BEING-ABSOLUTUM begat Creation (a spirit-form)? If correct: Creation (as a spirit-form) the size of the tip of a needle (the same as that which we are; namely the spirit-form) was granted the opportunity that we ourselves have been granted by Creation."
From what I have experienced, the beginning of creation was started with a loving intention. The size of the original 'big-bang' is irrelevant for us at this time. Suffice it to say it was very small, but of finite size relative to its then environment.
"(?) Creation therefore is a living conscious spirit-form with all of the associated, and capable of, feelings of compassion, kindness, consideration, thoughtfulness and love as our own spirit-form can enliven within us? I consider the love one may have for a pet or a niece or a son or that a child has for a grandparent."
'Creation' is big and vague word; how it used in this case does not exactly depict its malleable scope. To say that Creation is everything-that-is, and to then ascribe functions to The Great IS which some constantly changing (but still of) subset of everything-that-is exhibits is inaccurate. That said, as a whole, creation is alive, and replete with intentions and cognitions and the same love you might have for a pet or a grandparent. Keep in mind that there is so much of Creation which I do not understand - it would blow our circuits.
"(?) Should we therefore consider also, that the spirit-form Creation is not bound with the limitations of the carnal influence, but rather is free and unencumbered, in its ability to fully and majestically exercise and express itself to its fullest potential?"
The 'carnal' (all flesh) aspect of the spirit world is our current form of life. If it were not important, we would not be living and learning this way. The spirit form is not very affected by carnality, but still learns from it none the less. For us, the respective potentials of our spirit forms are potentiated through life in the flesh. We live here, because this is where we can do things.
"(?) When one considers that our spirit-form is likewise composed of and is identical to Creation, as a spirit-form, and that we too possess, in equal measure, the same amount of energy, power and love immeasurable, as Creation; just how mighty are we?"
Relative to what? Our respective concepts of all of Creation? We have much potential, but as yet little wisdom.
"(?) Should we not make efforts and attempts to reach in, through and past the limitations of our carnal material make-up and access this creational majestic power, which we can readily recognize in the love any of us have for a child, or a pet or even towards the action of another towards us? In the TJ, Jmmanuel is constantly reasserting that Creation, with which our Consciousness (spirit-form) is a singular unified unit with, is immeasurable in its power and knows no limits of power. (?) Am I correct that it is by the power of this love, by which all that we know of, and that is yet to be discovered, that made it possible that everything was created and materialized? In considering the energy output of our sun, which is dwarfed to a miniscule dust particle by other stars that have been discovered, was formed from the materialized energy that came from a spirit-form the size of the tip of a needle; to what measures can we cultivate and harvest this love to power our Consciousness abilities and power towards that or whom, which also, is likewise the same as we?"
We should strive to grow and learn according to our innate inclination. Sometimes this means growing spiritually, sometimes carnally, and usually abit of both in fits and starts.
Creation is powerful, I spose, but over what does it exhibit influence - itself? There is a lesson somewhere in this.
Love is deep concept, and is not limited to being the love one has for a person or object of affection. The power of love is an unimportant concept for it is most subtle and faint. Love is exhibited through everything, but softly, gently, smoothly.
Love is not an energy source, however, I expect that the universal creational laws point to various energy/power generation schemes.
Fur leben.
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J_rod7
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Wisdom in Peace
Hi Eddie,
The Creation is not now "as a spirit-form the size of the tip of a needle". The Creation began in this form before the "big-bang".
The Creation gathered huge amounts of super-fine Energy from the Void into itself. By the conversion of this super-fine Void Energy into itself, the energy became part of Creation Spirit, and thus became intelligent Energy. When Creation expanded itself as the "big-bang" from the "point small as a flea," into the Universe at an expansion rate of 10^7000 times the speed of light, it's Spirit and Energy is what actually expanded.
It is more correct to say now that the Creation Spirit is the greatest, largest, grandest mass of Spirit in all the Universe, for the Universe itself is the actual embodiment of Creation. Creation still yet ingathers super-fine energy from the Void, converts this to it's own intelligent Spirit Energy, by which the Universe is renewed and expands. The Human Spirits (and all other Spirits) are the points of light-energy which have come forth from the great mass of Creation intelligent Spirit Energy. The Human Spirit cannot ever be as great, large, or grand as the Creation Spirit.
It may be said that the Human has the same Qualities as Creation, the Love, compassion, powers, and so-forth. In the Human, these qualities need to be exercised, become manifest within the Human in all thoughts and actions in order to become realized in the life of the Human. This is what is meant by evolution. As the Humans evolve and grow in Knowledge, Love, Logical thinking, Creativity, Wisdom, and so-forth, so also does the Creation Grow and Evolve from all Spirits which merge back again with the Creation.
Salome
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~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Eddieamartin
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Hi Sitkaa, hello J_rod7 (Rod),
Thank you Sitkaa, I would also like to point out from your post above (#413) where, in addition to your post response #428, you quoted the following, which I also found of great insight:
Creation's Love
English Translation
The Value of Knowledge No. 3 pages 9 to 11
LOVE Teaching letter No. 27, page 296.
Rod, thanks for your post. Sorry for my cause of confusion, I meant that Creation, as a spirit-form, the size of the tip of a needle, contained such mass of energy that it was enough to expand to that which we call our universe and all contained.
That if our spirit-form is enlivened with this type of creative-love energy, which we can recognize in the love we may feel for a pet, a son or even the action of someone towards us....this love we can recognize within us (as a source of reference and experience for cognition; the "evidence" spoken of in the Goblet of Truth).
This recognition and discovery of said love, if indeed is the same creative-love force Creation is empowered with; to what measures are we able to utilize this power within us? It is interesting to discover, that this power is wielded by love; said power being attached/part-of to the Law of Love?
Everyone,please consider the following and re-read my post. I really value your cognition and insights.
Arahat Athersata
"The Precious One Who Contemplates the Times"
p.132-134
(Billy)
246. Die ungeheure Kraft der Gedanken ist nicht erst in der heutigen Zeit entdeckt worden, wenn auch ihre richtige Anwendung dem heutigen Menschen so gut wie neu ist, weil ihm alles in die Vergangenheit gedrängt wurde.
246. The monstrous power of thought has not been discovered for the first time in the current time, even if the correct application of it might as well be new to today’s human, because, for him, it was all crushed, in the past.
247. Daher erscheint ihm dieses Wissen als ein Buch mit sieben Siegeln.
246. That is why this knowledge appears to him like a book with seven seals.
248. Dies aber auch darum, weil der grossen Masse der Menschen diese Macht bisher kaum bewusst war, weil sie ihr über Jahrtausende hinweg von jenen verheimlicht worden war, welche genauestens orientiert und im Bilde waren.
248. But this, therefore, is also because the great masses of humans were hardly aware of this power until now, because it was kept secret from them, over millennia, by those who were most exactly oriented (about it), and in the picture.
249. Unter Todesstrafe wurde ihnen oft verboten, ihr Wissen, ihre Kenntnisse und ihr Können preiszugeben.
249. They were often forbidden, under penalty of death, to give away their knowledge, understanding and ability.
250. Als strengstens verbotenes Wissen wurde alles den Geheimwissenschaften einverleibt, zu denen, kein normaler Aussenstehender jemals Zutritt hatte.
250. As the most strictly forbidden knowledge, everything was incorporated into the secret sciences, to which no normal outsider ever had access.
251. Eine Tatsache, die noch heute im dritten Jahrtausend ihre Echtheit nicht verleugnen kann.
251. A fact, the genuineness of which cannot be denied, even today in the third millennium.
252. Noch heute liegt das unermessliche Wissen der Menschheit, das über ungeheure Zeiträume hinweg gesammelt wurde, in den unzugänglichen Geheimwissenschaften verborgen, die bis zum Tode des Papstes, der Bonzen und Geheimwissenschaftler verteidigt und vor der breiten Masse der Menschheit verborgen gehalten werden.
252. Even today the immeasurable knowledge of humanity, which was collected over monstrous periods of time, lies hidden in the inaccessible secret sciences, and will be defended and kept hidden from the broad masses of humanity by the bigwigs and secret scientists until the death of the Pope.
253. Doch warum das?
253. Yet why is that?
254. Ganz einfach darum:
254. Quite simply because:
255. Würde die Masse der Menschheit das Wissen der Geheimwissenschaften entdecken, was ihr ungeheuren lebensbejahenden Nutzen, Fortschritt und Erfolg bringen würde, dann würden Religionen und Politik innert kürzester Frist ausgerottet.
255. Were the masses of humanity to discover the knowledge of the secret sciences - what their monstrous life-affirmative uses, progress and success would bring - then, in the shortest period of time, religions and politics would be exterminated.
256. Die Finanzwirtschaft würde verschwinden, Krieg, Unfrieden, Hunger und alle Übel der Welt hätten ein plötzliches Ende, weil in einer friedlichen Welt keine Machthaber und Kapitalmacher mehr einen Anfang und Vorstoss zur Machterlangung und Finanzscheffelei tun könnten.
256. The financial industry would disappear, (and) war, strife, hunger and every evil of the world would suddenly cease, because, in a peaceful world, no holder of power and maker of capital could any longer begin to make a push for the acquisition of power and the piling up of money (in the financial industry).
257. Wo plötzlich keine Kriege und kein Unfrieden mehr sind, da werden keine Kriegsmaterialien mehr benötigt, und wo kein Hunger und kein anderes Übel mehr ist, da können keine gewissenlosen Geschäftemacher weiterhin ihre schmutzigen Finanzen lancieren.
257. Where there are suddenly no more wars and is no more strife, no more materials of war would be needed, and where there is no more hunger and other evil, no unscrupulous business-makers can further launch their filthy finances.
258. Wo keine Religion mehr ist, weil der Mensch sich endlich selbst als Gott erkannt hat, da sind auch keine Päpste, Pfarrherren, Bonzen, Rabbis und Bischöfe usw. mehr, die das Volk irreleiten und ihm sein Hab und Gut abfordern können.
258. Where there is no more religion, because the human has finally recognized himself as God, there are also no more Popes, Ministers, bigwigs, Rabbis and Bishops, and so forth, who mislead the people and can demand their worldly possessions.
259. Das alles wird jedoch dadurch verhütet, dass die Geheimwissenschaften dem normalen Durchschnittsmenschen nicht zugänglich gemacht werden, denn sie brächten plötzliche tiefe Erkenntnisse und das Ende aller Macht und Geschäftemacher, wovon die Politik und die Religionen die Grössten sind.
259. All of that would, however, thereby be prevented as long as the secret sciences are not made accessible to normal average people, because they would bring sudden deep cognitions and the end of all power and business-makers, of which politics and religions are the greatest.
260. Darum wird der Mensch in Unwissenheit gegeisselt und des ihm zustehenden Wissens beraubt und ferngehalten.
260. Thereby the human would be scourged by ignorance, and deprived of, and kept distant from, his rightful knowledge.
261. Denn Wissen bedeutet ungeheure Macht und richtige Gestaltung des Lebens.
261. Because knowledge means monstrous power and the correct formation of life.
262. Richtig denken und wissen ist eine so ungeheure Macht, dass sie restlos alles anzuziehen und herbeizuziehen vermag, was der Mensch sich denkt und ersehnt.
262. Correct thinking and knowledge is such a monstrous power that it is able to ceaselessly attract and bring into being everything that the human thinks and longs for.
Your thoughts on this subject everyone?
Salome,
Eddie
Eddie, Please try and restrict your quotations a bit. Just referencing where the quote came from and allowing readers to locate it, would help the moderators in having to sift through a long post.
Thanks-Scott
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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 430
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The power of thought is still just a form of power.
There is more to this world than you and I
and whatever dance they play.
Rather than focusing on power for sake of self...
allow, listen and learn, and then apply wisdom
only where needed.
And when things don't go your way,
when your reflected thoughts explore unpleasantness,
be patient with yourself the best you can,
and have faith that all things pass and allow life to be.
My thought here is just - I hope this helps you:
I am what I am,
and then,
I am anew.
Fur leben.
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 115
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Hello everyone,
Regarding my post #102: The attributes attributed to the "God" of the Christians or the "Allah" of the Muslims and so forth; are those 'attributes' of power actually in us? And if so, how have the Arahat Athersata expounded on and about it?
Well, I gained a cognition I wish to share and to receive collective confirmation, edification and insight on to further my progress.
Let me sum up my cognition with the following.
Jacob, above (post #570) gave a profound summation of this Love by which Consciousness powers can be wielded; in the following excerpts we find this: (Do read the entire post).
"Think of this: There is only (one) Universal love, its everywhere the same, it only differs in its intensity, but frequency and principle is universally the same.
The Universal Love of the Creation is immeasurable stronger then that of a human being, however it�s the same vibration and same principle.
To have Universal Love inside of you is to be connected with ALL of the Creation, in truth, knowledge and wisdom in understanding of the natural-creative laws and recommendations.
To have Universal Love inside of you is to have the reality of the Creation and the oneness with all that exists closer to you then your own breath.
To have Universal Love inside of you is to have the absolute certainty in wisdom that any of your thoughts, feelings and actions affect the whole of the Creation and affect yourself.
To have Universal Love inside of you is to lose your ego (note: not your �Self/identity), in the grand-unity of the Creation."
I find, regarding the "evidence" spoken of in the Goblet of Truth, regarding this Love, when we experience it in our love towards a pet, or a child or even the action of someone towards us.
The Arahat Athersata have this to say:
Arahat Athersata
"The Precious One Who Contemplates the Times"
p.132-134
255. Were the masses of humanity to discover the knowledge of the secret sciences - what their monstrous life-affirmative uses, progress and success would bring - then, in the shortest period of time, religions and politics would be exterminated.
256. The financial industry would disappear, (and) war, strife, hunger and every evil of the world would suddenly cease, because, in a peaceful world, no holder of power and maker of capital could any longer begin to make a push for the acquisition of power and the piling up of money (in the financial industry).
258. Where there is no more religion, because the human has finally recognized himself as God, there are also no more Popes, Ministers, bigwigs, Rabbis and Bishops, and so forth, who mislead the people and can demand their worldly possessions.
259. All of that would, however, thereby be prevented as long as the secret sciences are not made accessible to normal average people, because they would bring sudden deep cognitions and the end of all power and business-makers, of which politics and religions are the greatest.
261. Because knowledge means monstrous power and the correct formation of life.
262. Correct thinking and knowledge is such a monstrous power that it is able to ceaselessly attract and bring into being everything that the human thinks and longs for.
My question now; how do we now go about this?
What are the elements, required (embodied) in ourselves, in order that we may exercise this insight revealed by the Arahat Athersata?
Considering #258
258. Where there is no more religion, because the human has finally recognized himself as God,....
= = = = = = =
My post #102 is not a question stemmed from lack, but rather, a cognition. The post, in its entirety, is a cognition.
It appears to me, that the solution has been given, and all that we need to do collectively is put the pieces together, embody them, exercise (strengthen) them and then apply it.
Your thoughts?
Salome
Eddie
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Jacob
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Post Number: 586
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It's basically very straightforward. The development of reason and common-sense in recognition of the natural-creative laws and recommendations.
Study and practice meditation, learn the meditative state of the consciousness, which is in fact its natural/original state, not the wild uncontrolled state in which it is now.
Study and practice self-hypnosis, which allows for accelerated studying and improved memory.
Study and practice dream analysis, develop the ability to remember dreams, or even have lucid dreams, learn to interpret them.
Study and practice the spiritual teaching which is applicable to everyday life.
It all begins in assets you already have, common-sense and reason.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Jacob
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Post Number: 587
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In all things, the beginning is always small, just like a child going to school, starting at first grade moving its way up to higher grades.
It’s the same with Love; it starts small, with the creation of an effective friendship love or binding-love between lovers.
The set of natural-creative laws and recommendations of binding-love, friendship-love, etc., is a subset of the natural-creative laws and recommendations of Universal Love.
To have Universal love, it is not enough to know its there, it is an absolute must that one knows, follows, recognizes and LIVE by these natural-creative laws and recommendations, and I mean with these laws the 7-fold laws in both the spiritual and the material, the seven principles of the truth of life in spirit, physical and conscious, the seven recommendations of the teaching, etc. etc.
There must be empirical knowledge, wisdom in following all these laws and recommendations in order to create Universal Love. It’s clear that there is a certain threshold in knowledge, empirical knowledge and wisdom of the Universal natural creative laws and recommendations which will be enough to ‘trigger’ the creation of the universal love in a human, but I don’t know where and when this would happen.
Its principle is very similar to the creation of a star in the universe, there is a certain amount of gas and dust needed in high enough concentration in order to form a body, which will become a star and sustain nuclear fusion.
A little bit of a crude metaphor: If the idea of Universal Love is like the negative pole, then is the knowledge, experience and wisdom of following all aforementioned natural-creative laws and recommendations the positive pole, when these poles are put together, true Universal Love can be created.
However, the same principle applies to the ‘simple’ love form, but if one does not recognize, know, experience and posses wisdom about it’s related natural-creative laws and recommendations, it stays just an intellectual concept which cant come into existence because it misses a vital part.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Fainas
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 06-2007
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Hello Jacob,
Which writings can be used to learn more about self-hypnosis? |
Jacob
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Post Number: 588
Registered: 01-2004
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Hello Fainas,
In the Spirit teaching (Geisteslehre) of Billy / FIGU it is taught, you can obtain it through FIGU by request, please understand its in German only.
However, learning German in order to study the Geisteslehre is most certainly worth it.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Marbar
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Post Number: 174
Registered: 12-2009
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Since divorce is against the Creational Laws, does that mean a person who is married to an abusive husband/wife has to stay in the marriage.
How is this breaking the Creational Law?
A person whose husband/wife is abuse him/her constantly and they did their best to get help. But, after getting help, the person's husband/wife is still abusing him or her and no matter how much help the abuser is received to stop, he/she is still doing the abusing. So, the person decides to get a divorce and actually succeeded. |
Jacob
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Post Number: 605
Registered: 01-2004
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Divorce is only against the natural creative law when single-sided or mutual binding-love exists between two people, which is a real love, not the affective 'love' which is usually based on materialistic or sexual motivations.
In truth a marriage based on affective love is per definition of the natural-creative laws NOT a real marriage, so it is subject to dissolution when any kind of abuse exists between partners.
Divorce is justified if there is abuse in a marriage of any kind.
If you study the law of love, you will find out that true love is very rare on this planet, so many relationships are not build on true love, but on affective/false "love", which is in reality no love at all.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Abdiel
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Post Number: 9
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I don't think that creation is "love" as you say. Creation is a crude cold phenomenon of the absolute absolutum. |
Memo00
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Post Number: 475
Registered: 03-2004
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Abdiel
Creation is ALL that exists
Love means oneness (unity, to be one), so Creation is love (it is one, with no possible division and nothing exists out of it)
Creation is neither cold nor warm, it is all.
Salome |
Abdiel
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 11-2010
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I see creation as a crude phenomenon, like an unstopable coold crushing machine. No! creation is not love, creation is jus a phenomenon. |
Pele_ii
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 02-2011
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Abdiel,
Creation is much more than Love.!! |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 174
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Hello Abdiel
(re;Post#10)
With this view and perspective you have on Creation my friend, you will distance yourself from what is of Creation, what is Creation and will further align with what is not (of) Creation.
Do a little more reading, research and searching. Without a correct cognition of what Creation is, evolution becomes stagnant. Spiritual growth and empowerment becomes stagnant.
A machine, and even a phenomenon, is lifeless and non-living; unable to make decisions. Creation is very much alive, as with the spiritform that is animating your body and mind. Creation has power, all the material and fine-material universes were/are an 'idea' that then took form.
Creation formulated an idea of how spiritforms should best evolve from complete ignorance up to the Petale level and then becoming one with Creation. It is not logical; if Creation was merely a phenomenon, then we could never merge or one day become acquainted with it on a personal level. By "it" we understand that Creation is genderless (just as our spiritform is genderless).
The idea of gender for the course-material universe also contains the idea of families to experience the love one has for their child, a niece or nephew and even a pet. I never remember meeting my grandparents but I've seen the love between my nephews/nieces and my mom. Their experience of this love was/is an idea. Only evolution-capable spiritforms can create ideas and then act on them.
Salome,
Eddie
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