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Joe
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Post Number: 279
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 01:38 am: | 
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Bruce: "Not that his words will mean anything; obviously this guy is a CIA &/or Mossad agent, naturally."
I'm not sure if you are trying to be sarcastic but we don't know for sure who is really responsible for the chemical attacks on civilians since both the Assad regime and the rebels have access to them. Even if the Assad regime were responsible, I don't think the US should attack Syria because it would potentially drag other countries into war and quite possibly make the situation over there worse. |
Earthling
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Post Number: 780
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 09:43 am: |
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Joe, I agree - the US should absolutely not attack Syria alone. The situation requires a Henoch-style multi-national force.
yeah, I was being sarcastic ... from the comfort of my computer, I am sure that both Assad and the rebels are capable of using any & all means to accomplish their goals.
Salome,
Bruce
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Earthling
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Post Number: 782
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, October 24, 2013 - 01:56 am: |
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Not the perfect place for this, but ... so one of the not-so-hidden hands emerges from the closet in full daylight. I guess peace in the middle east is not in the best interest of the wealthiest state in the middle east. So while its all too easy & obvious to blame the US &/or Israel, there are many behind the scenes string pullers involved in middle east- & therefore world politics.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/23/saudi-usa-idUSL5N0IC2CP20131023
"Upset at President Barack Obama's policies on Iran and Syria, members of Saudi Arabia's ruling family are threatening a rift with the United States that could take the alliance between Washington and the kingdom to its lowest point in years.
Saudi Arabia's intelligence chief is vowing that the kingdom will make a "major shift" in relations with the United States to protest perceived American inaction over Syria's civil war as well as recent U.S. overtures to Iran, a source close to Saudi policy said on Tuesday."
Salome,
Bruce
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 824
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2013 - 01:33 am: |
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Hi Earthling
In this case we must thank the Russians for averting another disaster and check mating Obama's evil war mongering advisers.
Yes you are right, the Saudi royal family, Qatar government and the Turkish government feel threatened by the Iranians who they hate enormously but more to the point, the oil pipeline through Syria threatens these despots financial interests and oil hegemony. |
Baselineplayer
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Post Number: 66
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2013 - 10:07 pm: |
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Yes, it is very interesting to read the discussions about Syria.
My conclusion is that Iran and Russia supports the regime (a totalitarian regime whose roots are from the Nazi and Communist ideologies of 20th century). Saudi and the Gulf monarchies want to have the regime removed by their own interests. In the middle, we have the Syrian people that wants freedom from any of these authoritarian powers who want to impose their will upon the Syrian people,
I also read that several authors in the forum are quite one-eyed, since only Israel and USA are the bad boys in the neighbourhood. The truth is that the bad boys are so many more. I point my finger at every government, movement or other organisation, that wants to impose their will or ideologies on people, even if it is against what people wants or strive for.
The roots behind conflicts are mainly greed and hunger for power. Every regime that imposes their rule against the will of the people does not belong in the new time, and really deserves the fate in being removed, even if it goes by force.
Just read one of Billy's contact reports from 2011, there the war in Libya was discussed and the excellent analysis about the Gadhafi regime and its greed and lust for power.
Everyone, who call themselves as believing in freedom and resistance, who still stands behind the Assad regime in Syria and accept its propaganda, should be regarded as acting in a hypocrite way. The only ones who have the rights to voice up about Syria, should be the Syrians themselves, not so called "western experts" or "helpers from abroad" without any knowledge about what is happening there.
The UN has really shown its true face or lack of face as an utterly ridiculous organisation. It is toothless in the hands of the "Security Council" where the worst culprits sits with the veto power.
In the end: The power of the people is greater than the people in power.
The 21st century is a very good time to remove all traces of old authoritarianism that still lingers around in this world as filthy stains of our troublesome and violent past. When that is done, we can get the contract for peace done and ensure it by a combat peace corps that can fight for it.
To achieve the eternal peace, all injustice have to be removed. This should be so simple but so hard and tricky to achieve.
One more thing that connects to the overpopulation. Authoritarian regimes have always looked at women to be at home to feed children. That is one of the roots of overpopulation by imposing oldfashioned traditions. If these women were educated and schooled instead and it is gender equality, there will never be that overproducing to overpopulation that ensues were there are lack of education and knowledge.
A free and egalitarian society worldwide is the best cure for all problems that are rooted in the bad past.
Med Bästa Hälsningar / Mit Besten Grüssen / With Best Regards
/Baselineplayer
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 837
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2013 - 01:07 am: |
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Baselineplayer although I agree with major portion of your words the majority of the Syrian people support Assad even if this is an authoritarian regime geared in certain religious ideologies and dogma Syrian like the Libyans have enjoyed far better lifestyle and freedom than whatever the western and eastern intruders can offer them by force.
If you want proof look at the decimation of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt and wherever else the western powers have intervened.
The Saudis are powerless without the US intervention which is why they rejected the UN security council seat and lamblasted Obama for not intervening, same goes for their frenemy Israel.
Of course we shouldn't turn a blind eye to these despots and tyrants holding hostage the freedom of their own people for their own greed for power but western imperialists and their lackey's intervention always do more damage than if they had just stayed away in the first place.
Usually the will of the people, if there is such a thing under dictatorial, totalitarian and authoritarian regimes, reflects the line of government propaganda rather than honest aspiration and desires of the citizenry so it is silenced, repressed, oppressed and diverted.
So toppling of bad governments which has buried itself deep into the core and the existence of societies must happen gradually if bloodshed, anarchy and turmoil is to be prevented otherwise its Iraq 101, Libya 101, Afghanistan 101 and Egypt 101 all over again especially when you mix religion, oil, natural resources, politics, western imperialism, the banking cabal into the picture. |
Baselineplayer
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Post Number: 67
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, November 09, 2013 - 07:43 am: |
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Newinitiation:
I seriously doubt that such one as Assad enjoys a majority support. About 75% or so of the Syrian people are believing in Sunni Islam, and the only group there Assad enjoys majority support is within the Alawites and Shiites. Among the Christians, it is about 50/50. The hate against the Assad regime in Syria is of quite old date. Read about the uprising in Hama 1982 and the bloody aftermath, and this is something they never forgive.
Also, there are no guarantees that a Syria led by even moderate opposition ever will become friendly towards west. They despise the west today because of western dithering and reluctance to support. I think, that this coming Syria, will not forgive anyone who either supported Assad or reneged to support them.
I think peace is impossible as long as there exists injustice and oppression. That's cause enough to continue create splits and conflicts. The true peace will come at first when we all are egalitarian and have removed all causes of conflict.
We need to remove greed, lust for power and other general sins first before we can reach the ultimate peace. It is crooks like those tyrants that are using all these splits and conflicts for their own personal gains.
Oil and natural resources always attracts the greedy ones.
Politics is one of the most dirty things ever as well as religion.
The banking cabal of rather the banking mafia, is behind much of the greed and rotten things you can imagine.
Western imperialism is a bit wrong to mention. I would like to call it imperialism in general. It is not only western countries that are imperialistic. I would rather regard countries as Iran and China more imperialistic today, driven by their authoritarian governments. I do even regard USA as being governed in an authoritarian way. The US goverment acts far more in the interests of the big corporates than of their own people.
In the end. My main message for all peoples of the world, is to take back what's theirs rightfully. Remove all criminals that are seated in power. If we take back our rights and our freedom, then suddenly we will have the great opportunity to enjoy the everlasting peace. A time everyone can enjoy true development in all levels.
So, there are many reasons to never tolerate any bad governments now in the new time. They do simply not belong in this time to come.
We should never ever accept governments that resorts to torture, oppression, death sentences and other kinds of brutality to fellow human beings, just to stick on to the power for some more time.
Sometimes, I think as Ayn Rand did once: - Who watches the watchers?
Med Bästa Hälsningar / Mit Besten Grüssen / With Best Regards
/Baselineplayer
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 845
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - 07:32 pm: |
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Baselineplayer you are preaching to the choir my friend and I do agree with your sentiment.
The problem is you have criminals running a muck in practically all governments of the world and like one mafia group protecting its turf from another in the mafia war, the masses are caught in the cross fire.
I don't know what it is about the lust for profit and power that is so alluring to the psychopaths but the scums do float to the top and the grassroots have a massive work ahead of them to clean out all this rot that has been brewing for a very long time.
Matt Lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 848
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - 01:35 am: |
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Hi All
Dr Judy Wood has done some amazing work with her investigation on the directed energy weapon used on 911 to bring the towers down.
Obviously this is old news and links to her work have been provided by Dyson back in 2006-2007.
Why I am raising this dead horse once again is not to argue about the why’s, who’s, when’s, what’s, how’s, if’s and where’s of the 911 incident but to just simply say that the rare breed of intrepid truth tellers such as her, although very small in number, do require more likeminded people to pay attention to her message and works and if one is willing and able, to support her in her endeavours by at least viewing some of her presentations.
As Jmmanuel prophecised, many truth tellers will be killed, it is a sad fact that so many of them thus far have been suicided without a proper investigation into their deaths and so to prevent such similar things from happening again people like Dr Judy Wood should be supported as much as possible by as many people as possible.
People like Steven Jones who continue to deliberately hijack the 911 issue by misdirecting people with his nano thermite theory and attacking the credibility of people like Dr Judy Wood reveals themselves for what they really are as their intentions become very clear through their insidious machinations and their agenda to hide and suppress the truth at all cost.
These agents of misinformation and disinformation are so many and I even wonder whether they actually know the real reason behind why they do what they have been told to do.
You can only tell so many lies and engage in pretensions by putting on a mask on X number of occasions before you are revealed for who you truly are and I hope by the powers of truth that these sorts are shed away like autumn leaves on a breeze to help the truth to finally come to light on so many issues of the past still hidden by the pile of poo that have been shoveled on it.
Matt Lee |
Joe
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Post Number: 283
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - 01:25 pm: |
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Matt,
I don't mean to be rude but if I'm not mistaken Ptaah had already mentioned in a contact report that the September 11 2001 terrorist attacks was not an inside job.
What is it that Dr Judy Wood has said that is either the same or similar to what can be found in the contact reports about this? |
Celesco
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Post Number: 69
Registered: 01-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - 02:36 pm: |
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It is not difficult, truly, to imagine how lust for power and profit can corrupt anybody, even those who are not classified as psychopaths, because at the heart of these corrupt desires lies the same impulses that we all have to face and deal with at one point of another.
What does excessive profit entail in this modern time if not simply the self-delusional assurance that an individual will be protected from starving, boredom, and early death due to natural and unnatural causes? Who among us is immune to these things? Nobody, of course, so why do you throw stones at your neighbour before attempting to identify with their common struggle?
Fate has handed them a unique opportunity to manage their impulses,, but do not suppose for even a split of a second that their struggle separates them from yourself because fate has simply not dealt you the same circumstances, albeit you face many similar blows of fate which test your ability to act wisely on a regular, ongoing basis. |
Celesco
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Post Number: 70
Registered: 01-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - 03:54 pm: |
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Please do consider my accusation of throwing stones as inappropriate to this particular discussion. I sensed negativity emanating from some of the comments in this section of the forum, however it is probable that my sensors are reacting to something at least partially fabricated - so in that respect, I ask you to consider my accusation to be inaccurate, and ask for your forgiveness. I speak to Matt Lee in particular. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 850
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2013 - 08:35 pm: |
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Hi Celesco
Thank you for the input and much appreciated Celesco and its a valid argument you make.
No matter how much I tried to relate to these psychopaths who exploit their powers and lead people to wars that kill, torture and maim millions of innocent people for profit and power I cannot avail myself to do so Celesco.
And thank goodness that I am able to be in a position to make that judgment and be free from those errors.
Billy said that not only is silence cowardly but not speaking out is akin to as if you were also committing these errors which must be brought to light.
As for the profit thing, yes I agree with you, when people are tested to the max I am sure that majority of us including myself would succumb to the temptation for a bit of material profit especially if your very survival depended on it with no way out and if and when that test comes my way one of these days I cannot guarantee that I could stay totally true to the creative principles but fingers crossed but this is totally different to these psychopath's positions where they have more than everything and yet billions they already have is not enough, so how much is enough? another billion? and how many lives sacrificed is enough to make their next billions?
Apparently not enough as war for profit is a very profitable business.
Matt Lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 851
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2013 - 08:05 pm: |
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Hi Joe
Just before I answer your question I hope you can take this into consideration.
First of all to those of us people who have read on the Billy Meier case for some time now, time and time again it becomes quite apparent how Billy and the Plejaren only gives a small piece of the jigsaw puzzle which cannot be accepted at face value.
We also know that Billy and the Plejaren are too smart to give lazy answers that doesn't give the reader the opportunity to think for themselves.
This is their blueprint of how they go about releasing their information so that it encourages the reader to do the hard slog and come to their own hard won conclusions out of their own powers of thinking and effort.
Now to answer you question Billy did refer to this inside job on 911 as a conspiracy theory and how true this is.
It wasn't the actual the government as we know it who had perpetrated the 911 which Dr Judy Woods amazing work will prove by the fact that the towers came down in a never before seen and very unconventional dustifying way.
Now the operative question is who has these hyper secret unconventional directed energy weapons other than a very secret cabal of corporate Kleptocracy, the so called group within a group Billy mentions, who are a breakaway from the normal governmental, corporate, military and secret services nexus and who forms the corporate military industrial complex that president Eisenhower warned us about.
So can you see the genius of Plejaren and Billy as when they release their conversation to the public, they also consider the lowest common denominator among us and only release information after painstakingly taking literally thousands of factors into consideration from the past, present and the future and its implications and consequences of his information.
Just think how many times Billy has made corrections on his previous statements only for that information to be superseded once again.
Case in point is the age of the Pyramids, it was over 73,000 years and then abruptly changed to just tad less than 5,000 years because it was built all over again.
So you see what I mean.
The pseudoskeptics have the proverbial fit of retarded credulity at these very factors about the Billy meier case because they can't get their small heads around the fact that the very nature of all things continue to evolve and change constantly which includes Billy's information that also moves with the times and circumstances and they accuse Billy of lying and fraud as a result of theirs and not Billy's shortsightedness.
Matt Lee |
Darren
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Post Number: 358
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2013 - 12:51 pm: |
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"I don't mean to be rude but if I'm not mistaken Ptaah had already mentioned in a contact report that the September 11 2001 terrorist attacks was not an inside job."
Joe, what Ptaah said is only half the truth because WTC building 7 came down in complete controlled demolition fashion. No other way. (Also the mysterious Pentagon attack with no plane in sight hitting it?) That means that 9/11 was partly an inside job. |
Darren
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Post Number: 359
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2013 - 01:39 pm: |
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The Plejaren (or Billy) have never commented on the WTC building 7 collapse or the Pentagon attack. Why not? |
Celesco
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Post Number: 71
Registered: 01-2013
| | Posted on Friday, November 15, 2013 - 09:27 am: |
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From my experience dealing in addictions, I reckon that those people you are referring to, Matt, end up accruing more and more wealth because doing so allows them to distract themselves from the realization that their greed is dangerous and destructive. In this way, rather than being content to possess enough wealth to assure their status as rich for their entire lifetime, the compulsion becomes a desire to continue accumulating wealth just so that they can avoid the realization that accumulating wealth is not actually beneficial to them in the first place. It is very similar to the way that any addiction works, whether an addiction to hoarding objects, an addiction to increasingly perverse pornography, an addiction to drugs, an addiction to television, or anything else you can think of. The reason, then, that they become increasingly desensitized to the killing or suffering that they indirectly or directly cause is because their reliance on the addiction increasingly separates them from their compassion, reason, and empathy so that they do not have to suffer the acknowledgement that their actions indirectly or directly cause human suffering. It is truly sad, and it affects nearly every human being on Earth, meaning that almost the entire population of the planet is a dangerous psycopath nowadays - albeit most forms of addiction are tolerated or even applauded now, so that most psycopaths are congratulated for their lack of sensitivity, leaving those few who you described above to take all of the heat off of us.
Many of us have to deal with this same form of desensitization, although it is easier for us to say that it is not harmful when we become addicted to television, alcohol, or drama because we do not see how it affects the world around us. So very frequently, so-called liberal people will cry that conservatives and terrorists are cold, uncaring monsters, even though they themselves are just as desensitized to the world around them because they treat their addictions as a human right without reasoning out the fact that their addiction to television, drama, vice, pornography or what have you is just as harmful and dangerous. Particularly pornography since that porno has to come from somewhere, meaning that somebody has to degrade themselves in front of a camera so that another person can enjoy their addiction to voyeurism. But no person who is addicted to pornography wants to acknowledge this because it is difficult to do so, so they talk about how others are to blame or are hypocrites instead, meanwhile they are huge hypocrites themselves.
Obviously I am not singling out anybody here, and I am dealing with a variety of addictions myself now that I am slowly waking up to the mess that I have allowed to accumulate in my head over two decades of living... but I mean to illustrate how it is possible, and even essential, to find a way to identify with these men because, truly, the vast majority of us are not different from them in any significant way. The only real difference lies in that we throw stones at them, meanwhile nobody forces us to acknowledge our own guilt by throwing stones at us. |
Celesco
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Post Number: 72
Registered: 01-2013
| | Posted on Friday, November 15, 2013 - 09:48 am: |
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I should clarify by saying that finding a way to identify with those people is not even important so much because it lets us be more compassionate and understanding to them, but rather because it allows us to apply the same scrutinizing stare that we use on them to ourselves, so that instead of ignoring our own vices in favour of belittling theirs, we instead turn that same lazer-like focus onto ourselves, and then make it possible to see our own behaviour for what it truly is. When we do not identify with others for whatever reason, then we limit our ability to perceive the truth in our own actions because we will always have an outlet for the guilt that our observations create.
Simply put, as long as humans are able to think "Well, I might be selfish up but at least I'm not as selfish as those guys", then we humans will have trouble identifying the truth. It is better, therefore, to just identify with everybody no matter who they are or what actions they have undertaken because it will allow us to possess clearer sight at all times. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 853
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, November 15, 2013 - 10:05 am: |
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Darren try this website
http://drjudywood.com/towers/
http://www.drjudywood.com/ |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 854
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, November 15, 2013 - 10:07 am: |
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Darren
http://wheredidthetowersgo.com/
https://www.facebook.com/drjudywood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRlYwyqDA3Y |
Matt
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Post Number: 369
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Friday, November 15, 2013 - 04:21 pm: |
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The collapse of World Trade Center building 7 is the smoking gun that points (partly) to an inside job because it takes weeks to rig a building with explosives to come down like that.
The Plejaren speak of Bin Ladens terrorists being involved in the 9/11 attacks but they stop short of speaking about the terrorists in the U.S. involved in committing other parts of the 9/11 attacks. That's my opinion. |
Corey
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Post Number: 513
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Friday, November 15, 2013 - 05:04 pm: |
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As shown in the independently made movie "loose change" it would have been impossible for those planes to take down the 3 buildings, and it looks like a planned demolition happened when watching the footage in slower motion. Why the Plejaren say it wasn't an inside job and conspiracy theories are wrong is beyond me. In the firefighter tapes you can hear them say there were explosions inside the building(s) going off as they were trying to evacuate the buildings before they perished. Anyone who watches or distributes the movie faces doing time in Guantanamo Bay, anything TO HIDE maybe? I thought the contact reports would help me find some answers but I'm left with more questions unfortunately. The only solace I can find is that it is revealed that the Bush administration had advanced knowledge about the attack, but did nothing so they could use that as an excuse to start a war (a new Pearl Harbor).
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Davidmg
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Post Number: 139
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, November 16, 2013 - 08:25 am: |
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People do not realize that the intelligent agencies wanted the High courts to approved the long awaited and planned Homeland Securities Act but was not passed unless there was a major attack on US soil. As luck would favor them with in a a few years, information was found that Muslim extremists where planning a terrorist attack on US soil. The intelligent agencies knew of this and did everything to see that it was fulfilled. With mind you an extra bonus that came with it. The second Gulf War and thousands of companies along with billions of dollars through exchange of money, rights for military contracts, vast amounts of supplies and so on. Also it was a great way to dispose of depleted Uranium in weapons on another country. The passing of the Homeland Securities Act allows the many barriers of political and foreign military to easily circumvented by the Patriot Act by having US companies stationed on foreign land.
Davidmg
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