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    Corey Member Post Number: 518 Registered: 12-2009 |
Matt Lee, I'm sure there are spooks on the forums, but at least people can post the truth, or at least what they see as the truth with only minor disruptions. I'm convinced it's for safety reasons that Ptaah and Billy say 9/11 wasn't an inside job. They have obviously never heard of PNAC, who were by the way behind Romney so I shudder to think what war would have happened if he had been elected. As an American, if people knew what really happened on 9/11 it would lead to civil war and I'm not kidding. It could also lead to war between the US and other countries if it really was an inside job, or it wasn't the planes, or whatever. I personally don't buy what the US government says happened, and I don't buy what Ptaah says didn't happen either, but as an end result I still don't know what really happened on that day. I think it's been said all will be revealed in good time. If the US collapses in 2020, breaks out in civil war, is invaded by foreign powers, splits into 5 territories, or any of the other negative possibilities that could happen, you would think the real 9/11 story and the fake moon landing would bubble to the surface somehow admitst the terrible consequences of the potential negative events transpiring in the US, if the (-) events would come to pass. Salome Corey OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 790 Registered: 05-2008 |
Darren, why don't you tell the families & friends & acquaintances of the 64 human beings who were on American Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon, that they are mistaken and there was no plane nor plane crash. I suppose they are all fictitious persons and deaths, fooling all their families, friends, work associates, etc. This incredible crime & masterful massive and extensive coverup done by a government that can't even get a healthcare website done right. It's truly unreal what some people dream up and spread to those ready & willing to believe lies for the cause of their revolution against the man, so that they can become the new man, who's the same as the old man. iow, they lie to gain power to replace the previous liars who gained power. I won't convince you of anything as I freely admit I have not investigated and researched what the investigators and researchers have investigated and researched. I have my own opinion as do you, based on my own sensibilities, as you have based on yours. I have seen the videos and I don't need any Dr. Judy Wood to interpret events for me. I have firemen friends who were at the the WTC on that day and I've heard what they had to say. The building collapses looked like controlled demolitions but it's my opinion that they were not inside job controlled demolitions. Hey, I may be wrong. I thank everyone for contributing to this discussion. Salome, Bruce - one of the scum and vermin of this forum who stealthily goes about diverting forum members attention from the real truth through playing devils advocate behind an elaborate mask of pretension. I do this by purporting to be a Billy Meier supporter who occasionally uses spiritual lingo. In time I will eventually be revealed for the scum and vermin that I am. All thank go to Matt Lee, for once again, exposing my true self. Salome, Bruce | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 791 Registered: 05-2008 |
As we are supposed to discuss things as they pertain to FIGU information: http://au.figu.org/911_question.html Ptaah: "... As we could clarify, the vague knowledge held by the three CIA people – two agents and a supervisor – was directed at the fact that a terrorist attack on the United States could be likely, but there was not a single suspicion that it related to the two towers of the WTC." Of course, Billy nor the Plejaren know everything, however if they are correct and the knowledge of coming events on 9/11/2001 was only "vague", iow not specific, and "there was not a single suspicion that it related to the two towers of the WTC.", then they did not know the precise targets of al queda and therefore would have no reason to line the WTC towers & WTC 7 with explosives to help finish the terrorists aims and goals, in order to blame them and start a war and advance their agenda and objectives. And if only 3 CIA agents (not Mossad) vaguely knew of possible events, then it is also highly unlikely that they were also demolition experts and laid the explosives in the twin towers and WTC 7. Salome, Bruce | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hi Matt/Newinitiation, Thanks for that. Also, like you, I want to focus on Billy's information - there is so much to digest and discuss. Seeking the truth in all matters is what is important to me as it should be to everyone. I agree with all that you have written in the last post. Regards to you and all other forum truth seekers. Charles the Kiwiseeker | ||
Blake_p Member Post Number: 168 Registered: 07-2012 |
This is basically like Roswell to me, There's always going to be a new theory,new special information, and the idiots who continuously perpetuate this stuff into books and interviews for profit and hysteria mongering. Why vigorously debate something that you can never prove or disprove,that's like trying to reach a destination by walking around in a circle. One,Ptaah cannot tell a lie,so when he said what he said he was telling the truth. If he was withholding information then obviously he will never disclose this to anyone but Billy,and telling him in confidence,Billy will never betray his word to keep it under wraps,so we will never know. Now however people spend their time is their own business but I for one have more important things to do then argue or research something in which you will never find an answer,kind of seems nonsensical. Btw- at our group meeting last month in Munds Park we had a member there who was part of Seal team 3 and worked for directly for Bush 1, and he though it looked like a controlled demo,and that was a guess from experience, plus a guy with above top secret clearance so he would have a better idea then most but still,what do you do with the info anyway?? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 864 Registered: 07-2005 |
Earthling OM2465. To be without guilt means to be without worry. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 865 Registered: 07-2005 |
Corey I think we have fallen into the classic trap of semantics. We must ask ourselves what is meant by the words 'inside job' as Billy and Ptaah would understand it as. Without clarifying the meaning of this term we will continue to misunderstand Billy and Ptaah just like all the other occasions where we have jumped to rash conclusions based simply on the words and not the actual meaning. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 866 Registered: 07-2005 |
Good on ya Charles and do keep up the good work. It's through your persistent insistence on getting the chronological dates right just for the sake of getting it right that it helped me to discard confusions I had about the historical happenings replete throughout Billy's contact notes. Even if Billy says its not that important I still think its worth getting it right for accuracy sakes. Just imagine if I stated bluntly to WWII historians that the war never took place in 1939 after Hitler invaded Poland but instead happened in 1799 ending in 1815 after the battle of waterloo? | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 370 Registered: 04-2006 |
Conspiracy theorists say that 9/11 was an inside job from start to finish and that there were no terrorists involved. And Ptaah says that it was not an inside job. Could he be referring to the fact that there were terrorists involved? If so, he is not lying but only saying half the truth if U.S. forces also came to the party. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 867 Registered: 07-2005 |
Blake I would have to respectfully disagree strongly with your views and I mean very strongly. No offence intended of course. Although, as it is the case, it is my own views only. This tragic 911 incident wasn't a circus extravaganza worthy of pay-per-view to all the fans out there who love a bit of action to spice up what is otherwise a dull monotonous lives they lead. This is a mass murder case involving thousands of murdered victims pure and simple. Let me ask you, just because someone murdered another person 60 years ago, does that murderer become absolved of his crimes just because many years have elapsed? We have cold cases springing up all over the place that took place many decades ago reopened for investigation on family's insistence which ended with indictments and for victim's families to finally get closure. And thanks to ever evolving technologies the perpetrators of heinous crimes which go unsolved for many decades are put behind bars where they belong. Why should the 911 be any different? It is the likes of Dr Judy's tremendous efforts that set the precedence and lay the groundwork for those who will come in the future to use her works to finally solve this crime of the century. Now is not the time, of course, for this crime to get solved and to capture all those scums and vermins who perpetuated it but eventually it will. Ask yourself this, if one of your family member was murdered on that fateful day would you not move heaven and earth or at least attempt at it, to find out who did it, why and how to bring those criminals responsible to justice? Sure I can't prove it now nor will I ever personally and no amount of me fretting over it will change anything nor help the cause in a meaningful way. To also think that I am many steps removed from the actual people who were there does at times make me question, 'Do I have a dog in this fight'?, but it is worth putting your two cents worth if you can because when broadly looked at, the ramification of 911 is immense and touches the lives of every man, women and children. How? Look at the surveillance society we've become, the lack of individual privacy, the insane laws foisted on the masses, the curtailing of individual rights, the abuse by government and the security apparatus in the name of national security, the endless perpetuation of war for profit, the siphoning and misappropriation of national treasury to prop up the corporate military industrial complex and black budget special access programs that is bleeding the country dry, the ushering of the police state, the erosion of freedom, the destruction of the national economy, the high unemployment, the dilapidating national infrastructure, increasing crime rate, the ever expanding gap between the rich and the poor, the decimation of the middle class, the off shoring of vital technologies and jobs, the erosion of the value of the dollar, the ever climbing national debt that can't be repaid, the decreasing minimum wages, the spiralling youth unemployment, the every increasing dependency of government handouts, the increasing numbers of the homeless, the lack of opportunities, the ever expanding carte blanch powers of the unelected official at the helm of directing domestic and international policy, the rise and rise of corporate abuse of powers, etc etc etc. Everything is the consequence of everything else and its inextricably intertwined and interconnected in such a way that touching one part of the spiderweb will touch off the rest. So what kind of a world would you like to live in Blake? | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 792 Registered: 05-2008 |
http://au.figu.org/911_question.html Billy .".., the predominant conspiracy theory actually is that the U.S. government itself brought about this catastrophe and through the CIA, and so forth, allowed the two towers to be loaded up with explosives and then to be exploded, which is why they collapsed into themselves. Ptaah: Which actually corresponds to a nonsensical conspiracy theory. Truthly, everything arose just as the inquiries by professionals and by the secret services indicated. Nevertheless, however, with respect to this crime of al-Qaeda,..." ===================================== To those who think Billy & Ptaah speak in riddles, parables, forked tongue designed to confuse/mislead, cryptic language that needs decoding, mystical lingo that needs hours of study to decipher ... their words could not be clearer. But go ahead and knock yourselves out. http://nymag.com/news/9-11/10th-anniversary/planes/ Matt Lee &/or Newiniitiation, as an interesting study, you could construct a couple of steel mega-towers with a smaller steel structure 350 feet away and then proceed to fly a couple Boeing 767's loaded with 9-10,000 gallons of jet fuel, not to mention liquid explosives, flying precisely 440 and 530 mph into said structures at the corresponding floors to see whether they would collapse in demolition-type fashion or whether they are able to withstand the inferno and burn themselves out whilst still standing erect. Because, just like the Titanic was designed and marketed as unsinkable, yet sank like a false accusation when confronted with the truth of a collision with an iceberg; steel skyscrapers were also designed and marketed to not collapse when engulfed in flames but do you know of any tests done with fuel-loaded airplane bombs? Oh, and Mr. Lee, regarding the spiritual lingo you used - OM2465. "To be without guilt means to be without worry." - does said guilt apply to those who fling around false and/or unproven accusations and allegations against their fellow humans, based on nothing other than self-deluded whisperings and whims, time and time again, never learning to bite their tongue when they know not of what they speak, despite the fact that they are so sure they utter the truth? Not to worry, because in "The Might of Thoughts", Billy explains that the only way we humans learn is through making mistakes and that some mistakes contain 1000 variations of the same error and while it may appear that we are repeating the same error over and over and endlessly over again, these errors may differ from one to the other by one iota, until finally after repeating 1000 variations of the same error, we finally kick that bad habit once and for all. Armed with that knowledge, I am patient in the fact that you may yet falsely accuse me one or your other fellow humans 700 or 800 more times before you get over this type of error. Here is an interesting quote, though it is not from OM, however it is from common sense and is attributed to Abraham Lincoln or Mark Twain: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Salome, Bruce | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 285 Registered: 11-2008 |
I agree with Bruce because I really don't think that 9/11 was an inside job. Those of you who have read at least the English translations of the contact reports should know that the Plejaren either do not openly discuss sensitive information or they speak the truth. Ptaah had basically said that 9/11 was not an inside job and I don't think he would lie about it. Just because WTC Building 7 looked like a controlled demolition by the way it had collapsed does not necessarily mean that it was a controlled demolition. | ||
Pendrake New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 06-2013 |
Newitiation is right, The hard and fast of it is that anyone subscribing to the official theory... just has to be very gullible in the extreme. As in particular...Dont forget about certain elephants in the room, To repeat about it...the nose-in/nose-out is in fact quite damning for a finish, hadn't looked at it in a long time only just again lately owing to the discussion in the thread, but yet that's the inescapable conclusion in the end, surely proof positive of TV fakery when you think about it. Is quite remarkable really. You'd need to summon up a sense of real courage even to entertain the possibility of such a thing. But actually there it is for all to see. A hard and fast fact that is very VERY black and white. Is a bit like the way the branch of the tree coming over the hull of the beamship in the sunshot photo serves to close the case that what we are really dealing with here is in fact an object that really is 31 feet in diameter. Only in this case is probably an easier thing to digest (the existence of the ufo) rather than to entertain the prospect that there could be Tv-tomfoolery on this grand scale. Yet however still - there it is - for all to plainly see, the nose going right through only to then vanish into thin air. & Exactly as it was aired on (i shudder even to write the letters..)MSM. Thus seeing that i have made that comparision - are we to just forget about something like that too? (speaking now of the branch over hull of beamship) - or is that just more conspiracy nonsense - that is to be dismissed as more unimportant nonsensical trivia that is of no consequence either. Crop circles ..just nonsense, Roswell - nonsense, 9/11 more nonsense, Astrology total nonsense. I'm tired of this quite arrogant tone from some corners in the figu group. I love the contacts and the information, but some individuals are like big John-Waynes strutting about slowly and speaking with slow drawls thinking they have everything and anything sussed and figured out in its full completion. But in reality its just very boring and stultifying to have to listen to them. Come on guys get with the programme! Obviously there are certain things that are of a sensitive nature that make it very difficult for billy to be completely forthcoming with full information. It is such a no-brainer. Especially when there is the massive precedent for that in the form of the moon landings. Jeez what gives? WHAT is the big deal? - surely you can figure this out by now!! Although over and over apparently not so. {Also briefly regarding Roswell - there are not so many new theories - most of it is done and dusted by now - but it was not until a very long time that it became ok for voices to be heard on this subject - are their voices of no-importance whatsoever? - are there thoughts to be equally dismissed in this continually overbearing know-it-all fashion (Billy speaks against know-it-all-ism!) In addition, I was going through a bit more of it of late, {the Nose-in/Nose-out situaltion} There was an attempted debunk done of it but lacking any real substance and the guy sounded like a shill from miles away. The original creator of the 'September Clues' video came back with a yet still further 'September clues addendum' video that well and truly served to show without any doubt whatsoever that it is an exact match - using more detailed analysis on it..applying a bump mask for one thing. Not dust like the shill was trying to say, but rather instead - a complete and exact match up. Thus from this standpoint - why even bother spending hours going through the minutiae of the finer details of building 7 - when there is this certifiable Elephant in the room. is just the way i see it anyway. There may at times be certain 'scribblers' who try to pull the wool over peoples eyes with their convoluted theories..and in that way to gain power and mastery over others - and one has to be on the look out for this kind of thing, certainly so, Yet however on a case by case basis there may be those times too when something or some such detail that is so black and white, or so in your face that it is simply a complete and utter no brainer that there is tomfoolery afoot - and i think the case clearly applies in this respect. surely at this point that should be more than obvious. And this conclusion being reached without even necessitated going into the finer minutiae of details. (again to repeat, far too much of the elephant in the room) Now also this video too - One that i had seen a long time ago, was having to backtrack a bit to find it, havn't hardly watched any of these for a long time. But i love this guy's video - as he actually took the time or went to the trouble to create a whole complete 3d model-rendering of the Towers etc. (is not so draining to have to watch as many of them are) and the angle of approach of the ball/sphere or whatever it was is demonstrated. Enjoy - such analysis and creativeness in coming up with the rendering is of value in relation to coming up with a better understanding of the whole event. - and is not to be dismissed out of hand - even if he is not completely right about everything - there may still be some piece of nugget of information that may serve to contribute to unraveling the situation as a whole. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShbY0Oa-6v8 (Part 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiwBo7gz2C0&src_vid=ShbY0Oa-6v8&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_503471#t=9h50m | ||
Blake_p Member Post Number: 169 Registered: 07-2012 |
Newinitiation; It's no problem,I don't get offended hardly ever and you are welcome to disagree anytime. We don't see eye to eye on this, your correlation between cold cases and 9/11 isn't even applicable, yes people get murdered horrifically in both situations,people loose loved ones and deserve to be at peace with a terrible situation. My point was that if some secret government conspiracy/govt agency were the ones who committed the act of bringing down the towers and killing 2000 plus people,or if there was some secret agenda,then you will never find out the truth no matter how long you look or how hard you try. And if you all of a sudden turned into Bob Woodward and did uncover everything you would most certainly be dead before you could do anything about it. Before Ptaah or Semjase,I can't remember who,in the contacts said what happened in the assassination of Kennedy,there were many theories that the CIA were the ones behind it,but do you think that will ever come to light WITH PROOF! Of course not,the powers that be will never let themselves be put in that situation,they'll just kill everybody. Sure it effects everybody,one of the most atrocious laws ever concocted was because of 9/11, The Patriot Act. Now they can do whatever they want and just say your suspected of terrorism,they've been using it for years to do all kinds of violating things. So your preaching to the choir. For me, I'm not going to waste my time beating my head against a wall about something that you will never know the complete truth,and if you believe Ptaah,then you already know the truth and there's nothin to go searching for. Besides it's not like your part of some investigative crew with all the original evidence,surveillance videos,etc,etc. So really all your doing is investigating second hand information,and siding with people who are concocting their own theories with no tangible proof,period. Search away brother, I was just saying I think everyone will get nowhere fast. And yes I hope some day all the families get peace,justice,etc but I wouldn't expect it in this situation. On the cold case files,at least they have a shot. | ||
Blake_p Member Post Number: 172 Registered: 07-2012 |
Pendrake; Obviously you missed my point, I will leave the know-it all-ism to you since you both obviously know exactly what happened, know that Ptaah was not divulging all info related to the attack, and Billy also knows more but won't reveal anything. Is there one shred of tangible proof of your assumptions or are you going regurgitate everyone else's synopsis on 9/11. You have opinions nothing more. Whenever you have provable facts, let me know, I will be happy to acknowledge your stance. | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 181 Registered: 03-2007 |
Blake and Earthling, If there's one thing I've learned on this forum it's that Newinitiation is a world authority on everything. We should all be grateful for his knowitallness! | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 868 Registered: 07-2005 |
Earthling why bother responding at all if you aren't guilty Don't you know the meaning of the proverbs 'silence is golden' and 'a no answer is also a clear answer'. Let the truth speak for itself then and the wisdom to sort it out as eventually everything will fall into place where they belong in due time. Its a test that is always lost on people who least know the language of the spiritual, the so called language within a language. Having said that I could also be one of them. I don't want to get caught up in the useless debate about the 911 which always has the habit of getting nowhere and instead of the exercise of debating for the enlightenment of the truth for the truth sakes, it gets bogged down to people wanting to prove that their theory is more right than another therefore proving the futility of the exercise. All I can say to people is that before they jump to rash conclusions and unwittingly lead themselves astray, they must suspend judgement and look at the evidence first and let the evidence speak the truth to them. After all people must prove it to themselves and nobody else can do it for them. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 870 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Matt Matt all I can say is that after studying 911 for some time several things must be considered such as:- 1) Who funded Atta and his crew (Saudi's prince Bander and CIA). 2) Why were they in contact with FBI and CIA throughout their sojourn in the US 3) Why are some of the supposed terrorists who were supposedly on one of the 4 planes still alive 4) Why did the 4 star generals heading vital positions such as NORAD and the civil aviation authority go AWOL including Rumsfeld on 911. 5) Why out of any number of dates did 911 had to be used to conduct simulated terrorist military exercise that diverted majority of the F-16's away from Washington. 6) Why were there time gaps and various eyewitness accounts of hijacked planes landing in different airports to stop over for some 30 minutes and then to take off again for New York. 7) Why did the Fitzerald and Cantors office targeted by one of the planes that slammed right into their office in WTC. What did they know and what was there to hide from what they knew. 8) Why did the accounts office investigating the missing Trillions Rumsfeld spoke of on 10/9/2001 targeted by the hijacked plane that ended up killing over 150 personals who were mostly from that department at the pentagon. 9) Why did the strange white plane seen tens of kilometers away from the twin towers flying even after the flying restrictions were issued, This particular plane looked like it was airborne with pilots remote controlling the passenger planes to target. 10) there were over 80 CCTV camera in and around pentagon including the Hilton Hotel's own security cameras with footage confiscated by the FBI never to be released. What are they hiding? 11) Why was the Bush family's maid crushed to death by a car in the Bush's own home. What did she know that they bumped her off? 12) In the video footage of the remaining steel column spire, how did those massive steel beams and column simply disintegrate and turned to dust just like the Hutchison effect demonstrates. 13) Why were all those key 911 eyewitnesses murdered? 14) Why did Larry Silverstein decide to have the WTC 7 Pulled as in taken down? How could they pull it off without prior preparation by demolition experts? 15) Why was the president Bush's little brother Marvin Bush's company the head of security for the WTC Buildings prior to 911. 16) Why did 911 match up with the codes uncannily? etc etc etc | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 955 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hehe Mr Pendrake, Caught em at it .....  The Fleetwood Mac song Little Lies might be appropriate here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyE4CLM0QIA Anyway here's a good 45 minute documentary detailing the twin towers 9/11 alleged second aircraft impact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toPlyXdpurw The part from minute 11 onwards is very revealing and again ...... there are "experts" attempting to explain away the obvious by telling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyE4CLM0QIA Cheers. | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 585 Registered: 10-2009 |
Ptahh: "Truthly, everything arose just as the inquiries by professionals and by the secret services indicated." Has anyone seen the reports by the secret services? I'm assuming these reports are not the same as the final NIST report. Inquiries by professionals? Not written reports by professionals, only inquiries? Hmmm. Btw Pendrake, Roswell was a real one. Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 08-2006 |
Well said Pendrake!Focusing on the evidence produces the truth. Thanks for the youtube reference-a great analysis of the ball UFO, which gives the 'doubting thomases'(a plague on them!) something to think about.Of course you are right about Billy-he has to tread very carefully, since his responsibility weighs heavily on his shoulders. You say that you love the contacts and the information-rightly so.There is so much information and it is exciting to come across some new knowledge and that you can trust the truth of it. Attempting a translation and revealing the information is also satisfying. So let us search for the truth as given by Billy,spread the word and hopefully there will not be a WWII or WWIII! Charles | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 373 Registered: 09-2011 |
What's to tell when the truth has already been told? Shall we reiterate the truth, when it will just be deleted, yet again? You want to stand for what is right? What is right is right before you. Life | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2428 Registered: 12-1999 |
Please lets get back to the topic heading. |
