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Verlanis
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Post Number: 56
Registered: 10-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 03:51 pm: | 
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To put it bluntly toward the Titor story from a Meier material perspective: Time travel in 2036 didn't happen simply for the reason that earth scientists will not unlock Time Travel for another 800 years as per Contact 251.
The sensationalism of tying Light and Time is an Einstein Cult fiction, whereas real time travel would involve harnessing tachyons which are part of the 3 currently undiscovered forces of Creation.
The work involved with making metamaterials, substances that can refract light almost upon itself, have been loudly trumpeted as making things appear outside of time in high profile articles such as sciencedaily. This has nothing to do with time travel and is unmistakably the advance in illusion/cloaking technology that they, also, rightfully claim. Just because metamaterials appear to screw with Time does not mean Time Travel is within our grasp by 2036.
Jack --
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Thomas57
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Post Number: 77
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 10:09 pm: |
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In reading through all this(Pendrake's Post #15), perhaps it is more than obvious, there is either a translation problem with the mother language this Pendrake uses, AND he/she does not really have a grasp upon English - or - perhaps really bored with their daily existence and choose to unload undigested 'oats and hay'!
No facts given to determine logic and sanity - sure - any can read and choose a path.
"Pendrake"(you still have NOT identified yourself. What are you afraid of?)
IMO:
The post 15 is incoherent, amongst others, off point as to forum usage, and seems grossly self-serving, or he/she is under-age and undeveloped. It neither offers usable data nor any logical statements.
But, let's take he/she at their words: "I have been on forums in general for a good bit of time,"
This alone tells the story better than any logical attempt to understand their(Pendrake's) reference points.
Moderator: is there a limit to which posters, especially those with no logical attempt to address the issues, outside of band-width occupation, are subject to?
Reading through their last 15 posts, the story is revealed - seems bandwidth monopoly is the goal, as there is little usable, and BEAM's statement about anyone claiming to be able to "time-travel' as ludicrous an easy conclusion. - Notwithstanding that everything requires an individual search and conclusion - to establish "truthly truth"!
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Thomas,
There is no limit to the amount of bandwidth available to posters, but there is a limit to the level of patience required for people to get to the point  -Scott
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Thomas57
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Post Number: 78
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 10:21 pm: |
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B-T-W, "Pendrake" - the assumption that others on this forum haven't done "due diligence" upon the J Titor story seems to be a grossly and even willingly ignorant conclusion.
IF any bruised ego seems incapable of sustaining logical and factual investigation, perhaps leaving the "kitchen" to avoid the heat of scrutiny is a great choice?
. . . there is only ONE portion which I can sustain a level of consent: never take a story for "truth". Get provenance, process mechanics and additional testing witnesses, and set out the discovered facts logically, with Scholarly footnoting and source availability. (where anyone can find the data mentioned in any statements.) |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 79
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 01:57 am: |
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The site for most of the "story"(s) is here:
http://convictionofatimetraveler-johntitor.blogspot.com/p/posts-of-john-titor.html
There is nothing there to establish any fact other than 'TALL Tales'. The stories have many errors in facts discussed, and many of the predictions made there have NOT come about. |
Pendrake
Member
Post Number: 16
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 - 05:14 pm: |
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That is a good point Verlanis, (this is what i was maybe about, could there be things in the Meier info. that may further serve to negate the Titor case...which yet still remains (strictly speaking) if not fully proven in a fully factual way, also too at the same time certainly remains compelling, remains undebunked, and still actually remains intriguingly internally consistent as it were) and yeah - something i thought about there all right...
There is always that feeling that true Time Travel should be much further off in time, and not so close as to the year of 2036.
But one thing i thought was that the contents of contact 251 were a little scrambled, that they were not put into chronological order. {Or maybe that is only the prophecies , someone can correct me if i am wrong, i reserve the right to not always have to necessarily be 'right' with Zeus-like omniscience , owing to the fact that I am a continually learning human being and so logically to be in possession of all truth and full factual knowledge in its entirety would be an impossibility - irrespective of whether or not someone else does not like that or that the alleged logical wrong-thought itself may cause to those certain others a severe and very-deadly coronary heart attack , or brain aneurysm or whatever it is that seems to 'happen' to them. } But anyway, would that be a certainty from the point of view of 251? On the time-frame of 800 years I am wondering, i don't remember it off-hand, myself at least.
Also i remember there is a description in 251 in respect to the first stages of ageing-reversal , (in relation to getting up to the 350 years mark, there or thereabouts.)
When one is to go and read that first - for whatever reason, one may have had the idea that this would be quite a long ways further off, however if we are to take in mind this very recent breakthrough - experiments pertaining to introduction of an NAD-producing compound into mice (in order to restore communication between a cell’s mitochondria and nucleus. )
http://www.gizmag.com/aging-reveresed-mitochondria/30209/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=218db8204f-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-218db8204f-90188541
"Looking for indicators of insulin resistance, inflammation and muscle wasting, the researchers found that the tissue of two-year-old mice given the NAD-producing compound for just one week resembled that of six-month-old mice. They said that this is comparable to a 60-year-old human converting to a 20-year-old in these specific areas."
There is a similarity here in respect to the ratios.
Human Trials start next year.
Now I'm not saying that this is a certainty that this will relate to the first initial breakthrough...but if it turns out to be the case that it does - it would be surprising, as again originally one may have had the idea that this was all going to occur much further down the line in time...whereas here we can see, that now there could well be the potential for all that happening a lot sooner.
In any case, just a further thought on it, is a separate issue granted, but maybe indirectly related, and relevant in that way, to show that some of these new developments, that in the past would have been too far fetched to even contemplate, could be happening
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 929
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2014 - 10:28 pm: |
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Hi All
These Q&A to Billy is a compilation of every questions and answers asked and answered about time travel up to February 2012.
The student can get somewhat of a good idea about this topic from Billy's answers.
As can be gathered the John Titor story is unequivocally answered by Billy as 'Fantasy' and 'Rubbish'
The student will either accept it or reject it based on the clarity of their thinking process and consciousness or lack thereof.
Hope it helps.
Cheers
Matt lee
Posted on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 11:58 pm:
Greetings Billy,
Comment: There appears to be a lot of talk lately about a time traveller from the future known as John Titor who made a sudden appearance back in around 2000 or so, who also had warnings for the USA in regards to world war 3, etc, in much the same way as did the Henoch prophecies.
Question: In a future prophecy it's stated that a space-ship from Earth will eventually find itself somewhere half way between Earth and the Sirius home-worlds where it will encounter an unimaginable horror. If you know, what is this unimaginable horror?
Perhaps you know if it relates to the ancient Sirius overlords who seek to destroy us and if there are any Sci-Fi movies relating to it, or perhaps the Plejarens can check out this area of space if they've not done so already.
Peace in wisdom,
James Truthseeker
Answer
The time traveller fantasy is rubbish.
“Unimaginable horror” means several happenings which horrify the people when they are getting aware of it.
This may be certain laws of nature that are detected, or if interstellar things are not where it is thought that they should be, or bacteria, etc. etc.
There are no “Sirius overlords” left who will seek to destroy us. The last of the ET Black Men (62 of them) are not in a position anymore to bring harm to terrestrial humankind.
Rick
Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 10:58 am
Greetings Mr.Meier
If i remember correctly,plejarans mentioned that very few
civilizations are capable of hyperspace and time travel.
1) I'm wandering ,if such advanced technology could be in any way
dangerous for universe (i.e. for creation itself? )
2) I'm also wandering ,if plejarans perform time travel only after
consulting with arahat athersata or high council?
Thank you
Rick
ANSWER: Hi Rick,
Regarding question 1): No
Regarding question 2): No. Btw: Time travel is not a common way of
traveling for the Plejarans. They only do this for important reasons,
e.g. for investigations/exploration. And they do it on their own
(decision).
James the truthseeker
Posted on Friday, December 13, 2002 - 10:43 pm
Greetings Billy,
Is there any chance that you can go back in time with the Plejarans
for us to get pictures of Atlantis, Mu, and Hyperborea?, and while
you're at it, perhaps rescue the real TJ before it was destroyed by
fire?
Just something to think about,
James
ANSWER: Hi James,
The answer is no. Regarding the TJ: If an object has been destroyed it
is absolutely impossible to travel back into the past to "rescue" the
object prior to its destruction. The only possible thing would be to go
back into the past and making photographs etc. of it.
chiuwang
Posted on Saturday, January 25, 2003 - 01:14 am
Hi Mr. Meier:
You mentioned that Ptaah is interested in Minoan history, and own many
books that are written in ancient Greek. I assume those books are
related to Minoan history.
If I am correct in my history knowledge, Minoan civilization existed
from 2600 BC to 1000 BC, and Ptaah, our JHWH, is only around 800 years
old, so if no time travel involved, he would be possibly lived on this
planet from 1200 A.D, to 2000 A.D., and I remember Plejaran only have
bases on this planet in last 300 years or so.
Do you know did Ptaah time travel to the past time point in Greece?
Could you please reply 'I am not sure' if Ptaah told you not to say
anything about this?
Peace.
Hampton Chiu
ANSWER: Hi Hampton,
Billy really does not know (regarding the time travel). And when he
says "he does not know" he means "he does not know".
Thomas Hall
Posted on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 10:01 am
Hello there Billy,
You said it is impossible to bring back a destroyed object via time
travel. What would happened if one time travelled and tried to bring
an object forward in time that would later be destroyed? In other
words, would the object just dissappear as the time traveller time
tavelled back to his/her time?
Thanks, Thomas
Michael
Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 12:23 am
Billy,
If one could travel to the future and learn about the past (their own
present) could they return to their own time to change their
present...and thereby the future that they had already seen?
Thanks,
Michael
ANSWER: No, that's impossible
Norm
Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 06:43 am
Hi Billy, If a Time Traveler goes back in time, and tries to kill
Hitler before he gets to be Fuhrer. How will Creation prevent him from
doing it? Can you explain how Time Travelers are not able to change
history.
ANSWER: That's a law of Creation. A cause leads to an effect, and what has
occurred once cannot be made unmade.
Scott
Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 01:26 pm
Hello Billy,
I hope all is well with you.
As I understand it, the past cannot be altered or changed once it has
occurred.
When you visited Rabbi Jecheili (I believe it was the 13th century)
didn't you leave behind a flashlight or something similar? Wouldn't
this somehow change that moment in time and create a possible
different future? Possibly this was a very insignificant event, and
had no real bearing on the future, but it is something I have been
curious about.
Thanks very much
Salome
Scott
ANSWER: This did not change the history of France, Europe, science, etc. When
the batteries were empty, both the flashlight and the device for
electrifying a fence were useless and only some object of curiosity.
Hunter
Posted on Monday, September 06, 2004 - 10:48 am
Billy,
Hello again and thanks for all your answers. I wanted to clarify
something about time travel because I've noticed that several people
ask questions in regards to it, but I'm still confused about the
overall concept of how Creation prevents changes in events that have
already occurred. I understand that a cause leads to an effect, but
how would Creation specifically deal with the following situation: For
example, if someone were to travel back in time and try to kill Hitler
before he assumed power in Germany, is there a spiritual or
fine-matter force field that protects living beings from harm against
another living being from a different time?
Or, would one be able to physically kill Hitler, following which
Creation would then produce an alternate reality on a different time
stream in which Hitler did not exist while the original reality that
the time traveler came from remains intact?
Or is there some other specific method by which Creation prevents
changes in past events?
Best Wishes,
Hunter
ANSWER: It is a law of Creation that nothing can be changed that has already
happened.
Note by CF: To think about the idea of going back into the past to
change things that have already happened is only possible in a
universe where this (changing the past) is not possible, i.e. in an
universe that is built on logic and logical laws etc. Being able to
change the past is only possible in an universe invented in the head
of a person, because if that would be possible in a real universe,
that universe could not have started to exist in the beginning and
would have been destroyed immediately at its birth.
Jplagasse
Posted on Friday, December 10, 2004 - 09:00 pm
Hi Billy,
I'm still trying to figure out the time travel thing. From my
perspective i'm not thinking correctly on this... but am hoping to
gain further insite with the following:
A "thought experiment"...
If i travelled back in time, and moved a tree (transplanted) it ten
feet south of it's original position.
What would the akashic records show?
Would there be two "timelines", one of these leading up to the
"present" where i went back in time to move the tree, or only one,
showing the "after the move" position... or ??
Christian's and other explanations have stated we cannot change the
past through time travel. Yet... what exactly happened, that we can
now read about the "magician's flashlight" etc.?
Hi JP,
This last question was answered to some extent in Christians response
to my post of 7/12/2004. Since the first two questions you asked are
somewhat interelated, I will leave them, but please try and limit your
questions to one per round. Thanks-Scott
I'm not sure if i asked this question effectively. Any clues or
insights you can provide, despite my attempt would be greatly
appreciated.
Salome,
Pierre
ANSWER: You cannot change a thing that has already happened. What has happened
in the future cannot be changed in the past.
Regarding the "magician's flashlight": Since it was brought back into
the past from the future, it had to be there in the past.
James
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 04:50 am:
Hi Billy,
If Earth humans might become lost using time travel technologies, would it be possible to recover their spirit with technology or communication with the spirit levels so that they can return and reincarnate to their original time and society idealy before their next rebirth?
Thanks,
James.
Answer
No. You would have to find and recover the person (as long as he is still alive).
Thomas
Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 04:51 pm:
Hello once again Mr Meier. My question is about time travel. You have once said to us in your responses that it is impossible to bring objects from the past into the future. There are two instances in the contact notes where this has occured (well actually once in either direction). For example Asket said that she had previous acquired clothes from the past during previous time travels (you and Mr Jitschi wore these clothes when you accompanied Asket to the past of Jmmanuel's time) and you also left your light and battery with the magician man of the past, whose name I have forgotten. Can you explain the apparent contradiction for me? It might help my understanding of how time travel and things related to it work. Thanks sincerely!!!
Answer
There are three different (physical) ways to travel into the past with different effects:
1) You can go there but cannot bring back anything
2) You can bring something into the past and bring something back into the "present" = future (as has been the case with meeting Jmmanuel and Jechieli)
3) You can see everything in the past, but you cannot be seen by the people in the past; therefore you cannot bring or take anything.
Billy does not know how this is technically achieved.
Anday727
Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 06:16 am:
Dear Billy,
what was the far more distant year in the future (according to our calendar), that you have visited on your time travel with Plejarens?
Thank you,
Salome,
Dejan
Answer
This kind of questions is not answered.
James
Posted on Monday, December 25, 2006 - 5:25am:
Billy, the information I find here suggests that it's impossible to change history. Billy, with the correct technology, what would stop me from going back in time and killing myself, for example, in the year 2000?
I am assuming there may be creational forces that would act against this.
Welcome to Earth!
Answer
Yes, there are creational laws that make it impossible to change something that has already happened. Therefore, there will never be a technology with which you could kill yourself in the past.
Syn
[Posted July 2007]
heres a good question for billy
a complicated question i think?
when billy meier claimed that he went back in time with the dinos would it be possible to go back in time to your younger self and talk to your younger self.
also since your in the past would it be true that it CAN effect you or your future??
Syn,
This has been done by Billy (Eduard) when he went back in time to visit Jmmanuel. As Billy and the Plejarens have stated, the past is the past and cannot be altered in any significant way.
Scott-Moderator
Answer:
Billy didn't go back in time to visit the dinos because they are living in remote planets today.
Yes, if you have the technology you can go back in time and visit your former personality.
Lepuniv
[Posted February 2009]
Dear Billy,
I hope you're fine.
I’ve questions dealing with the Spirit.
It's very important for the terms to be translated very accurately into German, because each word I meant was pondered.
I hope you’ll answer these questions since Semjase made you promise to answer every surface Earthling.
In order not to take a lot of your time, you’ll just need to answer: yes, no or partly yes.
For me the issue is critical.
I found nothing illogical in your whole thesis except for one thing. Therefore, I need your input.
I checked the comments people made about this topic on the forum but it is not satisfactory for me. Most of the time, it logically fails.
I have a scientific background…it might show.
The basis is your meeting Jmmanuel.
If I understand you well:
- 1) Through time travel, a Spiritform X owning a wisdom level w1, incarnated in a body A1 at a time t1 can meet Itself owning a wisdom level w2, incarnated in a body A2 at a time t2, provided that w1 is different from w2. In this case the 2 people can even have a chat…
True/ false/partly true?
Thank you for caring
Take care
Salome
Lepuniv
Answer:
The possiblity to have such kind of time travel (there are several ways) is not dependent on/from the level of wisdom, but from being able to master/use time and space.
Savio
[Posted April 2009]
Dear Billy
It was mentioned that Time Travelers might get lost during time travel experiments, and on the other hand, it was also mentioned that Time Travelers will be drawn back to the present time when the available energy for time travel is exhausted.
My question is: If the time travelers are drawn back automatically, how can they be lost somewhere in time?
Salome
Savio
Answer:
Such an automatism is very unlikely. Billy never heard or knows about it.
Joe
[Posted May 2010]
(Scott, please edit or remove my previous question 'cause I wasn't clear.)
Billy, is it possible to gain knowledge by time-traveling to the future when working on something technical?
Answer:
Yes.
Joe
[Posted July 2010]
Billy, when you time travel either to the past or the future can you stay there for as long as you want or do you have to get back to your present time?
Answer:
You can stay there as long as you wish.
Ben
[Posted October 2010]
Hi Billy and Christian,
Thank you for your previous answer.
There are books and stories about accidental 'time travel'.
I think one of the most known is about Rundolf Fenz Junior. That man allegedly was hit by a car in the year 1958, he was dressed in a style that looked old-fashioned, even archaic. The impact was such that the man was killed outright. The deceased was carring an amount of money (antique bills) and several business cards bearing the name Rudolf Fenz. There was also a letter postmarked in 1876.
I put a large question mark on such stories, mainly because there are no hard evidences to prove or disprove it. Many writers speculate that there are natural phenomenons which may cause that one spontaneously moves in time.
Billy my question is it possible to move in time without using time travel technology, in other words are there any natural mechanisms allowing for that or we are dealing here with pure fiction?
Salome
Beniamin Skowronski
Answer:
Billy doesn't know about Rudolf Fenz.
He thinks that it is possible that there are natural mechanisms which could move a person from one dimension/time frame to another.
Ben
[Posted November 2010]
Hi Billy and Christian,
Thank you for your previous answer.
I have a question regarding time travel into the future.
You have explained, few times that one cannot changed the past, using time travel and it is absolutely clear, however after reading 113th contact, in which Quetzal gave the information about coming assassination on pope J.Paul II (as we know pope did not died during assassination, so it caused that future went in different direction), I began to wonder about specific scenario. If at the moment when Quetzel gave this information (year 1978) one would travel into the year 2000 and experienced world in which prophecy fulfilled itself. And for example one would said the following sentence: "The prophecy fulfilled itself pope indeed died in assassination". And after that one would returned to one's times (year 1978) and waited for the events.
After the events went in different direction than what has been said by Quetzel, one would travel once again into the year 2000 and to the same place in which one said the sentence.
My question is: if I think correctly, one would not meet on that spot, one's self from the year 1978, because the future has changed, so is it possible to experienced (and to see) by traveling into the future world with completely different scenarios, which may never come to past?
Salome
Beniamin Skowroñski
Answer:
(Note by CF: If you would have been capable to jump from 1978 into the future (e.g. to November 12, 2000) where you appeard in front of a person standing on the upper platform of the Eiffel Tower and said to him a certain sentence, and then vanished again returned into your original time, on the real November 12, 2000 a person (you) would appear before another person and the event would happen just as it had happened during the time travel.
What once has occurred, at least when persons are involved, cannot be made undone!)
Vb28
[Posted June 2011]
Hello Eduard,
Thanks
humm... didn't get my concept question answered. maybe next time..
question for this round:
Picture this:
Lets use the 7 prophets for this example. Billy gets into a time machine and visits the 7 prophets, and asks the 7 prophets to join him into the time machine. Billy brings back all the 7 prophets to our date and time. they all hang around this time period and die of old age ( maybe die at the same time or not) the question here after 152 years would the spirit form of Billy reincarnate into a single human body with a new personality, or would there be 7 new spirit form created with new personality? or would the oldest spirit form overpower the other spirit forms and reincarnate as a single spirit form? in this case it would be Billy's spirit form which is the oldest.
@CF ": Your concept of "pure concepts" is still not clear to us." does this "US" include Billy as well? don't tell me that he is not throwing chicken bones your way? even not to the core 49?
Thanks
Answer:
This cannot be "pictured" because you are using an absolutely impossible and illogical example.
(Note by CF: Regarding your "pure concepts": Yes, the "us" includes Billy.
Probably it would make sense if you explain the use of the term "pure concept" to us in German. It appears that you use that term in an uncommon way. Considering your question above it seems like you are on a wrong track with your "pure concepts")
Zanderson
[Posted October 2011]
QUESTION #1
Hi Billy & the rest of FIGU, Hope this finds you all in good health. Since I've come across Billy's & Figu's vast array of information I've always wanted to ask some question, so here goes...
I know you may have been asked this question a lot but I've never heard a definitive answer. So I'm attempting to receive further explanation. You have always spoken of time travel and this is something I want to understand. I understand that it is impossible to change the past (what has already occurred).
So my question is, since time travel is possible what happens if hypothetically someone not of the required evolutionary standard (both consciousness & spirit) was to go back in time for whatever reason and attempt such an act (as attempting to change the past) what would occur, HOW WOULD CREATION HANDLE OR RESPOND TO SUCH AN ACT OR ATTEMPT?
I can only speculate but my guess is that they would be transported into a different dimension or timeline, where to them (unknowingly) it would seem as if they have carried out such a change in the past, however the original past would still have remained as it was. I can also conceive that Creation would not allow the act, where by the culprit would lose control of his/her body. I ask this question because in all my reading and search I have never encountered you or the Plejaren addressing such a possibility regardless of how infinitely small of a possibility it is (The possibility speaks of the attempt not the actual changing of the past). If you indeed have my apologies and a guide to such information would suffice.
Since I was around 9 years old I've always knew time travel was possible. I've even proclaimed this publicly (in grade 7 when I was asked what I wanted to do when I grew up, I remember how shock everyone was when I said to be a time traveler ) but I never had the theoretical understanding to explain TT though. Imagine how elated I was when I came across Billy's material with its concept having such a firm base in rationality. It kind of makes one feel vindicated My apologies for the long post even though my question was short ...
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Answer:
Billy has already answered this kind of hypothetical questions in this forum.
(Note by CF: Your question doesn't make sense because it doesn't change the fact that all actions and thoughts performed by human beings can never be made undone. And it is also not a matter of Creation allowing or not allowing, because Creation does never allow or not allow since Creation does not monitor human beings and their sometimes very odd behaviour or thoughts etc. etc. etc.)
Vb28
[Posted February 2012]
Hi Eduard,
In an interview with Randy Winters in 1989 (personally I like Randy).
He asked if you go back to year 32 and if you die there, what will happen to the spirit?
Billy replied: you have to live the life again from year 32.
Isn't Jmmanuel living in year 32 so what will happen to the spirit? if both Eduard and Jmmanuel die in 32?
what happens to the next reincarnation?
Thanks
Answer:
If your spirit form is reincarnated two times simultaneously, the actual person cannot die in the past.
Marbar
[Posted November 2010]
Hello Billy,
I wonder if it is forbidden to see the dawn of time.
Is there some limit on how far a person can travel into the past or future?
Salome,
Marbar
Answer:
Billy doesn't know, but most probably there is a limit.
Matt,
Wouldn't it be less space consuming to post the links to these questions and answers?
Tnxs
Scott
(Message edited by scott on January 19, 2014) |
Verlanis
Member
Post Number: 58
Registered: 10-2012
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I must make an apology. I wrongly sourced the information of what I wrote for Contact 251. I reread it and found no mention of the 800 years mentioned there.
What happened is that I was "putting 2 and 2 together" and Contact 251 was part of that. Somewhere in the Contacts it is mentioned that Earth Humanity will come into contact with the Plejaren "again" about 800 years in the future, but that won't happen until Earth scientists discover the principle for time travel.
The events lined out in Contact 251 do include rough numbers of years between historic events listed in a coherent chronology, but with no specific dates. The lack of specific dates is readily understandable because within Meier's life the probabilities for WW4 have changed from 90% to the current prevention of the world war.
Contact 251 contains the so-called Henoch Prophecies. Concerning time travel, that is mentioned after 2 significant time portions with a combined total of 400 years.
Jack --
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Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 930
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, January 19, 2014 - 09:07 pm: |
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Hi Scott
Good point
The problem is I don't know how to hyperlink or provide the links specific to the individual Q&A concerned.
These Q&As specific to the topic are from my own compilation list on MS Excel without the link address.
If you can give me some suggestions on how to for future reference, it'll be much appreciated.
Thanks
regards
Matt Lee |
Thomas57
Member
Post Number: 80
Registered: 12-2009
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Thank you, Matt(and Scott for letting the post 'as is').
Perhaps an obvious and logical insight - just from reading the logic-based posts and Matt's recent post, is that there are 'universal' - Creation-based descriptive elements, material-based (including life) forms, people and things and laws, that govern 'time-travel', such as previously mentioned 'tachyon particles' and 4th through 7th state matter levels(as yet undiscovered)!
(this conclusion is especially directed at those who enjoy spewing illogical, mentally-logically unfounded and non-provable spurious ideas onto the forum)
(which may be any of us at certain stages of evolutions!  )
What part about anyone NOT being able to "un-ring" a bell, or 'un-do' an action that HAS happened in time-space, is NOT getting through illogical heads?
T57 |
Newinitiation
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Oh Scott and also if it happens that on record there is an attempt by me to access moderator privileged function of the 2 other buttons besides the print on the bottom right of each post, it was me.
I mistakenly thought that maybe these buttons were quote buttons in my attempt to provide the specific link to each Q&A to no avail.
cheers
Matt Lee |
Newinitiation
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Hi Thomas
I hope it helped Thomas
Maybe I am Johnny come lately and missed a lot of things in my absence from this forum for a number of years but you are Thomas Hall aren't you with a semi new username?
cheers
Matt Lee |
Corey
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Post Number: 523
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2014 - 11:30 am: |
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Jack,
It would be nice to get an actual contact number for the our race will contact the Plejaren in 800 years claim.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Thomas57
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Post Number: 81
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2014 - 02:29 pm: |
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Matt;
One - of many - 'things' I've discovered about the use of this forum, is there are those who walk their pathways with research and testable theses;
. . .and those who live upon conjecture, speculations, spurious thoughts, and dogmas, rarely seeking actual experience.
There is another process, developed at the Monroe Institute - of traveling one's consciousness- in 'time', that has not been spoken of or written about - due mostly to participant inexperience. TMI has had thousands of program participants that have utilized the patented sound technology of Hemi-Sync, and have explored many levels of consciousness and existence. That research has been available to many for over 45 years - AND I am NOT proposing TMI as 'better than' or replacement for personal evolutions - though as a method of verifying ones experiences with a self-taught method of bringing data back to 'Focus 1'(that level we talk to each other in a face-to-face conversation), it IS another pathway.
I - IMO - think it fits into one of the three main ways, BEAM writes about, when traveling. In Robert Monroe's way of describing, his term 'energy curl' seems to be very similar to BEAM's Consciousness block(the one that embodies the sum of a Creation-spirit form's experience and existence).
. . .and - No; I am not T Hall.
Thank you.
Thomas57 |
Votan
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Post Number: 156
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2014 - 01:43 pm: |
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Hi Thomas 57
Yes I have heard of Robert Monroe. He was able to tap into the natural reserves underground, a fascinating person.
joe
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Carlos
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2014 - 03:27 pm: |
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Have you become so roboticised in your thinking .... That You can not read between the lines anymore ? sometimes the sum being greater than the individual parts , now and then , here and there ?
Hey , go easy on T57 ! Firstly this is a division of the forum on time travel. And that is not testable as you propose .
Your reaction is childish and ridiculous , you seem sometimes neurotic , sometimes arrogant and boastful .
Time travel is not testable . What about other much discussed and disputed entire forum , questions the issue of spirit form ( spiritual body ) is also not testable : neither Meier nor Plejaren know or can see where these are disembodied consciousness .
There s nothing "accurate" in these themes, unless you as fanatic of the given texts.
So we have to have all openness and respect for other ways of addressing issues alone are speculative , controversial , untestable .
> I - IMO - think it fits into one of the three main ways , BEAM writes about , When > traveling . In Robert Monroe 's way of describing , his term ' energy curl ' seems to be> very similar to BEAM 's block Consciousness ( The One That embodies the sum of the > Creation -spirit form 's experience and existence ) .
Numerous other terms are similar in other early knowledge and other spiritual schools that may be outdated even may be a reference point. We can see not only Robert Monroe , but countless others, including in other countries , who witness phenomena that must be studied and taken into account.
Meier Semjase received a lesson in the last third of the contact 251 on the addition and spirits , which are in no way different from other critiques of spiritualism and exploitation of phenomena .
A personal development is always subjective . The spiritual level is far from logical as so many here want , and act in our level of evolution , along with subjectivity , imagination , dreams and other means over . One way to see and not subjectively testable way (in person only) vision of the future are dreams , which may often refer to events that are about to happen , and there is no reason to be calling all of this and that and liars and charlatans by that do not fit in a rather dubious and insufficient precarious logic.
I do not intend to argue with an arrogant and imature person , know-it-all of the Meier texts, just hope that , with respect to other persons and students of these subjects, you will be less sarcastic, ignorant and disrespectful way of conceiving things or trial of discernment and culture of others .
Meier himself went through all ( the most important , as well as other knowledge more) terrestrial religions to exercise power after his mission . This type of background is important to him or anyone else that is : study the existing knowledge , then they can say about it.
Who loses track of the set loses detail . We need to have an overview , even in part assumptions , fantasies or improbable inferences , and from there we can better understand the whole. Because we believed in fantasies in childhood , which was healthy for personal development , this does not preclude a scientific understand all day and logically .
I am relatively new to share desfe Forum , although I know the Meier case since 1988 and have read the books available at that time . And never restrict myself to only that. In those books Meier says he was instructed not to talk too much about the teachings , because people should learn to think for themselves , seeking relationships between things . There is a fine line that is being missed by many ensusiastas this case.
( His latest post is particularly ridiculous : require someone to make a poster with testable ARGUMENTS ON A JOURNEY IN TIME IS THE BIGGEST blunder ALREADY HEARD FROM SOMEONE WHO THINKS DEFEND THE LOGIC , and leave already stressed because I do not intend to discuss anything with someone so Kids , confusing , poorly educated and convinced as you proved with Pendrake ) |
Verlanis
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2014 - 05:21 pm: |
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@Corey,
I couldn't find the reference for the contact time point. Apparently I confused the 800 years in Contact 229, when the Teachings would become rooted on earth, with the re-contact with the Plejaren.
And oops to confusing Contacts 251 with 215 concerning the Henoch Prophecies.
Time travel in the written word can be as confusing as the hypothetical physics.
Jack --
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Shark_mode
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2014 - 06:40 pm: |
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Hi All,
Anybody who knows me already knows that I love Billy Meier. I may not have all the answers, and all the concepts down, but I try to work on it everyday, making mistakes and correcting them.
But I have to tell you. I am a major John Titor fan too and almost like it as much as the Billy Meier case. Not that I believe that there was a real time traveler or that the Titor case is real, but that it is really, really interesting; and remarkably seems to parallel the Meier case with regards to civil wars, America breaking up into 5 regions, WW3, Iraq wars. I was surprised as hell when Billy said on his questions -- answered page that the Titor case is "fantasy." Well fantasy does not have to mean just not real, and phony looking, and make us think that the Titor case is just stupid, but that it was a secret government operation made to effect the people.
It is a good probability to me that the John Titor case was at least a sophisticated psyop meant to promote CERN or some unknown secret government interest or corporation. Then there are the time machine plans, pictures. These are not some easy to replicate schematic or hoax like looking technology science; the time machine cut-out looks smooth and the science seems plausible based on what the drawing is showing us. Using dual mini black holes housed in a portable unit that fits in the front of a vintage Corvette looks good to me.
The problem for the Billy Meier mind is that the time travel laws are all wrong. You can not for example go back in time, tell your grandfather that you have a nice fix for the 2000 computer bug in the 1970s and erase Y2K. Or can you? And still not change the future or the past because it would be set in stone? There is no confirmation from the Meier case that parallel universes exists with variations of the same people, planets, stars, galaxies, universes. Meier says that each spirit form is unique in the Creation or otherwise larger muliverse. But could not there still be parallel universes to the one we are living in where there are almost all the same participants we see here, and more, only they have their own unique spirit in all the Creation no matter how much they look alike? I mean, exact twins for example don't have the same spirit form, but might serve as an example of how the Creational laws of time travel might be possible for parallel universe twins.
Best regards,
Anthony |
Newinitiation
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| | Posted on Friday, January 24, 2014 - 07:24 am: |
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Hi Thomas
Yeah I get ya and I can't agree with you more.
I gather that with this perpetual 'work in progress' there is always that reluctant 'one of these days'
Cheers
Matt Lee |
Newinitiation
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| | Posted on Friday, January 24, 2014 - 07:40 am: |
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Hi Anthony
As much as everyone's (this includes every earthling alive now) understanding of time travel is definitely inadequate to truly understand it inside out including myself I just cannot help but feel that those who support such fiction as the John Titor story is not applying any logic to their thought process.
This is the year 2014 so you've got tad over 2 decades to achieve time travel technology if you believe in what Billy referred to as 'Rubbish Fantasy' story
Do any one of you think this is feasible?
Matt Lee |
Pendrake
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| | Posted on Friday, January 24, 2014 - 05:14 pm: |
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Carlos, sorry to have stressed you out, but actually you missed completely the point i was making there. With respect it seems fairly obvious from your post that your level of English is bit limited..The Plejaren have stated that all the different languages on earth are causing us problems and here there has been a case of that i would strongly suspect...
Now regarding this....."Have you become so roboticised in your thinking .... That You can not read between the lines anymore ? sometimes the sum being greater than the individual parts , now and then , here and there ? " - i was not, for the most part, referring to time travel really there at all.
I was making a general point that for a long as i have been on the varied forums/groups etc. there has been a super-predominance of logical wrangling (left-brain) interfacing/exchanging of ideas etc. often to the point where it gets nasty, and also too often to the point where personal intuitions/insights - things of a more 'humanistic' nature you might say maybe are forced to take a more secondary role. (and so ...resulting in an imbalance?? - Is there a serious issue here that needs to be addressed? on varied forums/groups there is a 10 guys to every girl, is it too off-putting for women to have to endure this kind of desperately always-to-be-right incessant logical wrestling/man-handling , i think (myself at least) that women are not so bothered with this kind of thing, they dont necessarily feel the need to come swooping in talons exposed for the big pounce , for the big 'gotcha-moment' as it were, this is kind of what i was driving at there more-so as such. Can't help but think that it is something that does need to be addressed re: groups forums. And actually there is maybe a precedent for this in the CN - there is a point i am sure, as best as i remember, where there is something along the lines of Billy suggesting to the P's that they need to make a correction at one point that they are not utilizing their sense of humor (or some other more non-rational aspect of consciousness, i cant quite recall exactly what it was off the top of my head right now) but anyway that they are not using it as much as they should be and that they are existing too much in the logical state of being..The P's, I think, go away, reflect on this for a time, and then come back to say that he may have a point in what he had been saying and that they are going to act in concurrence with this. )
and so anyway some of these thoughts had been building up in me for a time, could there be something of a similar nature going on with folks posting on groups/forums, t57's pronounced 'logical' kneejerkism post brought it into sharp focus for me i am forced to say to be honest, whether you like that or not, is just the way i see it anyhow, I am all too familiar with this kind of thing...it is probably the ONE time i ever put a foot wrong in over 10 years on forums/groups etc. in a quite marginal/hardly-significant way and adding to which the fact that i made the proper due correction for it...yet still inevitably (as i had suspected) there was the swooping-in of the logical brute-force comprising .....'see you are wrong crazy and stupid....I (yes me me ME ...am the one who is right and logical and all-powerful and strongest of all etc. etc. ad-nauseum/ ad-tedium.' - is this kind of thing i was objecting to , and the subject itself being something that is more important than time-travel. i think so at least.
There ARE some humanistic aspects to the Titor case which are of interest and maybe factor in...(that are not so based in maths/science domains as it were) If it was a ruse (which i am at pains to have to remind yet again! that it still could be ...yes of course, all i ever said in the beginning was that it is a little compelling in spite of all, and that i was reminded of that again of late in another thread elsewhere, yet however i am open to it being debunked , absolutely so, so also this notion that i am a titor fanatic is also very highly incorrect (to say the very least) and reflective the language issues) but anyway to continue if it was a ruse - the person had to have a lot of advanced insider info on computer programming bugs and Unix etc. etc. that most other people had no access to - but also further to that - the way he 'remains in character' - would suggest a really good level of near super top-level ace 'Method-Acting'. You really really DO get this impression (for what its worth) when you read the original posts. Thus something here that could be interesting to explore. something that is based more in the realm of intuition. A few other things too that follow in a similar vein.
Also just to pick up on one thing t57 said 'and many of the predictions made there have NOT come about.' - this to my mind shows t57 following the logical path to the nth degree in the absolute strict sense yet failing to entertain even the basic postulated time-travel concept of alternate time-world (alternate time reality) where there could be some margin of little deviance unfolding gradually or something like that (as is outlined in the Titor case in an interesting way), but anyway, following on from which, from this kind of statement......well i'm sorry forgive me if i have no great confidence in this super great and supposed "due-diligence" having been paid to concepts overall relating to time-travel! ) ...It seems a bit limiting to narrow yourself down into such a small confined realm of imagining. for goodness sake this it the time travel section. there should be more room for entertaining the possibilities IMHO , again don't get me wrong of course the titor case could be a hoax in the end, but it could be interesting to hear peoples OWN evaluations/insights on the matter. and not stick so 'doggedly', almost religiously, to what the current math or science dictates. Do we always have to be such SLAVES to science and such like. And so also it was a little bit of this too i was factoring in when i was wondering in relation to folks seeming to exist too much maybe in the roboticized frame of mind. I for one would be interested to hear what people say on it from their own perspective.
Also myself i do a little martial arts - there comes a point in time as you go along, when adhering merely to the logical though processes alone becomes much more of a deadly and decided HANDICAP. Rather instead as one goes along in training it is only when the intuitive leap comes into play - that you have arrived at the improved point where you execute maneuvers with actually a lot more mastery. Therein a 'zen' aspect entering into things.
Very good points there shark-mode, I actually think that there are some comparisons to be made between Meier case and the Titor case. In the sense that they are so enigmatic, and that if they were both hoaxes (relax everyone of course i know that billy's case is true) but on that hypothetical they would surely not be just deemed to be hoaxes but rather instead ....they would classify as super...Master Hoaxes , as the level of intricacy , attention to detail, and technical know-how shines through of course in respect to both. Thus Titor case still remaining to be a little enigmatic in spite of all, is really all i was saying, no more no less..following up on a response from one of the other members who had been asking about it. I am a bit bemused as to why people are getting so riled up about it. (although actually come to think of it is really only t57 as far as i can see ...and now arch- defender carlos too, following hot on the heels) Logic circuits breaking up and all that, lol, oh well such is the way with some i suppose, adhering to the tightly-wound way, could do with some zen maybe. no? maybe so at least.
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Shark_mode
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The following is just my opinion. As a Billy Meier student I would like to try and explain my theory of how the John Titor time travel case could be real based on what I can gather from Figu about time travel. Please, this is just for contemplation and discussion. I make no claims that this is real.
The first place to start has nothing to do with time travel. It has to do with the way the Plejaren treat UFO (alien) contact cases, like Adamski. I am not claiming Adamski was an alien contact, but would say that he was promoting secret terrestrial ships and a terrestrial agenda. I really think for instance that the Madeline Rotterfor movie film is of a German (Haunebu) UFO type. The Ps and Billy will say that despite good film evidence, Adamski was a fake... period. I think the Ps and Billy say fake because it has nothing to do with extraterrestrials, and to the Ps terrestrial technology, although looking ET at times, is not in fact made or flown by extraterrestrials. What I'm trying to say is that the Ps and Billy don't differentiate between the ET and the terrestrial. They just call everything fake it seems and avoid talking about the subject.
So what does this have to do with time travel? As we learn from the Meier material about time travel that you can not go back in time and change things once they happen. It is set in stone. I agree with this because we don't experience changes in the timeline. We wouldn't expect to wake up one morning and find JFK was never assassinated and the USA turned out different one day to the next. This never happens. And since the Ps have sophisticated beamships that can travel in time, these ETs are years and years ahead of us in all things including technology. So when a Plejar travels in time it is an exact science and there are no malfunctions it seems. So the definition of what time travel 'is' might be different to a civilization that just invented the technology compared to one who has had it for eons. We learn from Contact 251 that the technology of time travel for the earth humans is not after we learn how to travel between stars, but before the discovery. I tend to think that the discovery of time travel for the earth humans is right around the corner and probably in my opinion this century. From Contact 251, "Scientists at this time, though, will still be unable to travel to the center of our galaxy to tap the existing Black Hole in that region. Still, it will be unnecessary to go to the center of our galaxy, at least at that particular time, for nearby objects will produce sufficient energy to serve Earth's needs. This new energy source, in fact, the energy type itself, will enable terrestrials to develop new forms of space travel. In the wake and expansion of these developments, a travel and transportation factor becomes reality which, prior to 1995 and long into the future, had been called fantasy: Time travel. This discovery/invention, in turn, will enable Man to travel into both the past and the future, and as well into the vastness of the Universe..." Notice that the contact says that time travel and accessing the Universe are related. I really think that dimensional travel is what the contact is talking about. The ability to slip into another dimension and access another universe. So it would seem from the Contact that the harnessing of the energy of black holes is how to travel in time and also into other time-space configurations, and probably using teleportation too.
This is not that far off from the John Titor scientific claim that his "time machine is a stationary mass, temporal displacement unit manufactured by General Electric. The unit is powered by two, top-spin, dual-positive singularities that produce a standard, off-set Tipler sinusoid." And Titor claimed that his time machine never had the capability to travel EXACTLY back to his original timeline. Every time he would take his very dangerous journey, he was landing in a different time, but also a different parallel universe. Everything looked the same except for a certain degree of standard deviations. Different teams won the super bowl in alternating parallel universes, for example. This easily explains why our current timeline did not go the same as Titor's worldline; and skeptics call his story fake because they fail to recognize the deviations that still exist between parallel worlds.
So from the Titor story we learn that his time machine is nowhere as good as the Plejaren technology. To the Plejaren, Titor's time machine should not really be called a "time machine;" but rather a machine that travels you through different dimensions and crudely through time. Perhaps the early earth technology will only be able to access a different time by accessing it through a parallel dimension, since C251 hints that the technologies are connected? And because Titor's 'time' machine was accessing parallel universes to get to a past or future location, the Ps could call the Titor machine, because of their strict definitions, "fantasy and rubbish." That way Billy could call the John Titor time traveler story "fantasy and rubbish," from a certain point of view. |
Thomas57
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OK; here we go AGAIN . . . ..
Pndrk - with his/her speculative mode of thinking, touts 'Titor', as one might Asimov, Heinlein, or Bradbury. Great, if you were attempting to prove their fictions as actual events. But most read them for entertainment, NOT for scientific methodology. (Pdrk- study more, contest less)
With Shrk_md, at least he/she makes for a readable post(early poster) - though, perhaps a reading of "belief-system territories", would enlighten the conception of 'parallel universes'.
In the mind(of any human, or human based life-form), the capacity to create a world(psycho-systematically) just happens to be a portion of possible living experience. That -Does NOT make that world created, one that is usable by others, or even one that allows the escaping of the creator from their own morass of chaotic mindal matters.
YEs; perhaps my personal experience in researching through 6 decades of human existence, grants me a perspective - based upon those years of trial and error. So . . . . for Pndrk, wait 40 more years, and see what you think of what you wrote this year. See if you would tell your 20's self, to listen more, think logically and testably, and cease speculating, rather then to do the hard work of digesting simple evidence sitting in front of you.
Though, you may perceive my posts as sterile from your perspective, open your thought capacity to see behind the front lines - and into the many years, consciousness evolutions and thesis results, of those who may just have walked those paths - way before you were born, especially Meier, Moosebrugger, Einstein, Rosen, or others who- by their language and postings, are more than just prognosticators, but livers of their pathways.
The Shoshone/Native American way of saying: Walk a mile in another's moccasins, before you tell him where his path lay.
Perhaps, an improvement of your grammar and sentence structure would allow others to 'see' your 'real' intent, in your posts. Or, is it simply you are using others to do your thinking and testing, whilst you remain safely behind nom-de-plume, and willful ignorance?
The "way" of many posters here, seems to meet those actions - as can easily be seen from the newness of their postings, due to yet finding their personal responsibility to determine facts for oneself.
. . . . . how would any of kinder(garten) years learn?, if not to run into those who made it through HS and Grad-studies, who ACTUALLY look back and give them a boost-in-the-pants?
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Shark_mode
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Hey 57 Chevy,
"With Shrk_md, at least he/she makes for a readable post(early poster) - though, perhaps a reading of "belief-system territories", would enlighten the conception of 'parallel universes'."
I hope you are practicing your bagpipes! This is Anthony from the study group. Please my friend, I am not trying to promote belief. I am trying to use logic. Meier has not said one way or the other if parallel universes exists. If you search Billy's questions-answered thread you will notice that he says only that each spirit form is unique in all the Creation; so physicists like Michio Kaku are wrong about their parallel worlds theories. HOWEVER, using logic and reasoning, we can notice for example identical twins in nature and deduce that this phenomena may be happening between universes. It is just that the current mainstream physics are calling these parallel people, one and the same. This is why I THINK that Billy is shying away from questions about parallel universes. He does not want to confirm parallel worlds and then have people read Michio Kaku, for example, and then think that it is the same as the spirit teaching.
All the best,
Anthony |
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