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Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 160
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 02:24 am: | 
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Edward
I do agree that it would be more benefiting that you post links or provide sufficient details instead of simply plugging in - "utilize the search engine" as the main body and meaning of your responses. Although it is actually best thing to do with new members - moderators can do that instead of you - if they feel such guidance is needed.
Salome |
Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 621
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 10:30 am: |
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> I am the person who was responsible for the Technical Remote Viewing Home Study Course project with Ed Dames. Unfortunately, apart from finding out that he had a few serious "problems", I also found out that he couldn't RV his way out of an open paper bag. He was able to instruct others to do otto some degree. |
Thomas57
Member
Post Number: 33
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 10:20 am: |
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Ferbon(is it 'Bruce'?)
While your opinion is noted - it is lacking in experience past your "5th grade 'A' " in 'CR's or other matter.
Parallel levels of research are manifold - whether in FIGU, TMI or CFI(Center for Inquiry).
FOR YOUR reference - I am not promoting TMI here - and if you had "utilized the search" function, you might have discovered that.
TMI founder Robert A. Monroe, did NOT have any deistic delusions, rather he encouraged those who went through the "Belief System Territories" - and he was deep into research into seeking the causes of the altered states he was experiencing. - AS MOST of the readers here are!
Your post seems quite arrogant in your use of words - and therefore - according to cause-effect - you get to receive that which you sent out. Much of what you have - or might be alluding to - has been done by others - OUTSIDE of FIGU, or any self-serving factions within these forums. But that is only MY opinion - Moderators can choose for themselves any edits necessary - as each here seek within their own "levels".
From an easily seen perspective, the posting #159 of yours seems to come from a hierarchical mind reference POV.
I 'see' many here processing along multiple lines of evolutionary action - whether "5th Grade" or grad student. That you seem to make it your position to seine those into easily prepared 'boxes' - simply clarifies to those reading - where you are truly operating.
If you have never been to TMI - done private research into technical aspects of "time travel", or involved yourself into quantum mechanics(which from the paucity of your subject materials) - how is it that you now determine the pathways for myself or promote to others here the 'orthodoxy' of your postings?
The initial question I posed was to invite those who ACTUALLY had done these things, to respond with their experiences and results - upon the use of any form of 'time' travel.
Perhaps, the thoughts of Billy Eduard Albert Meier - could be restated = search for your OWN understanding upon matters of your personal progress. (paraphrased! - from a western USA mind-set)
(I had written something more direct - though chose to just quote you from YOUR posting #160) "moderators can do that instead of you - if they feel such guidance is needed."
Thomas |
Thomas57
Member
Post Number: 34
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 11:26 am: |
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My apologies to "Bruce"(thinking that was what was listed here as "Ferbon")
It is "Chris"=Ferbon - from posting #94 of 'Ferbon'(has that a meaning that you can share, Chris?
Thomas |
Ardie
Member
Post Number: 88
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 08:50 pm: |
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Hi Michael,
( I am the person who was responsible for the Technical Remote Viewing Home Study Course project with Ed Dames. Unfortunately, apart from finding out that he had a few serious "problems", I also found out that he couldn't RV his way out of an open paper bag. He was able to instruct others to do otto some degree.)
I heard Dames several times on Coast to Coast a few years ago. It was very interesting and I was impressed until he claimed to remote view the location of Satan. I didn't know that you were involved in that. I am impressed again! |
Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 623
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 09:30 pm: |
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> Hi Ardie,
I got involved with the Dames project around 1995, as I recall. When I heard about the Satan thing I knew the guy was completely bonkers. It was a pretty strange experience altogether because there was a lawsuit between Dames and the producer that I brought the project to. I ended up researching every appearance of Dames' on the Art Bell show and found that he..didn't have ONE truly, verifiably accurate prediction. He SOUNDED convincing (at times) but it was quite an illusion. |
Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 164
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2012 - 02:58 am: |
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Thomas57
It is interesting to read your response. I do hope to meet more people like you. Indeed I also hope more people could study what you wrote as a response to my message to you. Then we could dissect it -the Michael's style. I don't find it wise at the moment - since you are now a member of this forum. I might be able to keep our conversation in mind for the future reference if you decide to tread down your tiny path. In the meanwhile could you actually answer any of the questions that I asked you?
cheers |
Thomas57
Member
Post Number: 36
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2012 - 12:20 pm: |
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Michael;
I agree with your assessment of Maj. Danes; TMI and others from the Stargate(CIA) program have, 'less-than-complimentary' accolades for him.
There is a 'Courtney Brown' who has been involved and may seem to have a similar SRV outlook - though he has a PhD in math and has differing results than Danes.
T57 |
Thomas57
Member
Post Number: 37
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2012 - 11:07 am: |
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Ferbon/Chris;
From your Posting #159 I find these questions:
" Please explain how is your research related to time travel ( on which solid evidence are just not yet available) and why is it so important to know about TMI, SRV and else? How can mankind benefit from your research considering it's in many instances generated by individuals focused on profit or driven by sectarian delusions? "
#1: requests a personal opinion;
Why?; - for me - it was a part of self-directed experience for the personal understanding of 'the world/cosmos/life. TMI 'Explorer' program was a very structured portion of research TMI was involved in, in the 70's-80's, and perhaps even today. Results - available then, were reports of several 'dimensional'(poor description of phase-shifting, as R.A. Monroe related) interactions with other life-forms, and information gathering. These were/are structured for repeatable, verifiable personal exploration into one's own relationship with 'All-That-Is'. No belief system was ever taught, contrary, it was found that there are several states where "Belief System Territories" are 'located' (both in Time and Space) and individual experience was the only data reporting made(using the CHEC unit, i.e. taping of message during experience and bridging the gap between there and 'Now' - CHEC=controled holistic environmental chamber, a small darkened area where one relaxed while the Hemi-Sync tones were received, with a 'call-button' and microphone for the monitor to interact with the researcher.)
Chris, "solid evidence" IS available - one must just to the research to ferret it out.
#2- "Mankind" will never benefit from "my" research - as each must find their own way. The only possible data I could share is connected to my path - not theirs. The "sectarian delusions" you refer to - seem, to me; to come from only you. Your private orthodoxy, shown on this forum, seems to not allow others a Creationary pathway for their own self-discovery. Something I find is ABSOLUTELY necessary for each of us here.
"Profit" motives abound - and are a part of what transpires through living. Creating a 'priest-craft' system does occur, and can be managed by those willing to ignore such 'cultist-guru' cycles found on this planet.
Perhaps, TMI systems are exercises in mindal mechanics - if so, then they have proven the existence of the Universal Consciousness - AND provided access to it for those willing to make an effort.
Enough of an answer for you, Ladd?(Chris)
Again, TMI=the Monroe Institute, does not claim to be "god, or have gurus - even though talented people in specialized 6th and 7th sense talents go there for understanding and explanation sharing with others of similar desires. It is NOT a religeon - just a place where specialized research can be done by the individual - for that same individual!
For the rest of the forum, I'll address something I find in many postings - and surely it is seen by 'Moderators' and participants.
Many here have started their own pathway to personal and perceptual enlightenment - I endorse all those to continue and to 'TEST' everything they encounter, determining their own relationship with such data - and NOT rely upon another's opinion!
. . .and Chris; should you decide to "dissect" me - in any way, - best be prepared. Many here do NOT seem to care for your frames of reference and activity in 'dissecting' them. Gods-devils-gurus-prophets-politicians-know*it*Alls, . . . all these have attempted that before you came along; and many here are very capable of returning you, that "favour'!
Perhaps, a wiser choice, would be to ask polite questions, withholding your "insights", and attempting to understand - NO one path is identical to another.
Thomas 57(just imagine what the other 56 will do! Lol) |
Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 166
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Friday, December 14, 2012 - 08:12 am: |
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Thomas57
Usually lengthy responses are appreciated if they at all relate to the questions. You seem to be completely lost in something that you're trying to say...Moreover your thoughts are all over the place...You can also note that some questions asked on public forums are asked not for personal indulgence...
"...Gods-devils-gurus-prophets-politicians-know*it*Alls, . . . all these have attempted that.. (dissection- read -analyses of his writings)... before you came along; and many here are very capable of returning you, that "favour'!
Again Thomas...no idea what you're talking about -do you have emails to those devils that had analysed your posts before I came along ?
You're on FIGU now...
"Thomas 57(just imagine what the other 56 will do! Lol)"....
..what???
Ok, Thomas, maybe you get to the bottom of this one:
In what way is your research, respectively interests/expertise/knowledge/experience/data related to Meier's material, namely his contacts with Plejarens, spiritual teachings and most of all the mission and striving for future well being of humankind? How can we benefit from it?
Also, we have discussed on this forum adding reference links to navigate to contact reports, etc.
Not only your "style" is chaotic but is also based on made-up terms which are useless and in no way comparable to Meier's material.
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Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 624
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, December 14, 2012 - 08:55 am: |
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> Hi Thomas,
Unfortunately Brown was notorious for his nonsensical RVing of a companion object to the comet back in the 90s. He came up with very unreal things about a spaceship, etc., as I recall. |
Thomas57
Member
Post Number: 38
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Friday, December 14, 2012 - 07:56 pm: |
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For the benefit of those reading this for great humour, some may have missed the 'dissecting' point of reference.
Chris - Seems, You are just stuck in your narrow points of reference - and want to create another 'religion' out of Meier materials.
Michael;
I agree; C Brown (as do/did others)had many avenues of his 'SRV' that were/are guided by his paradigms of past religious symbolisms(many still are just beginning to break away from that. I remember C. Brown writing about "reptilians" and have not found clinical substantiation to any such life forms - though I can 'see' how others might describe some that way.
It is in the "time-travel" methodology of their (McMoneagle, Atwater, Putoff, Targ, Tart) research that I looked for a greater possible method of development of the 6th and 7th senses Meier refers to; a clinical approach to such, rather than a hierarchical level of approach.
TMI has a track record of doing that very successfully for many of their program participants. That is why(for you-Chris) that type of research is beneficial for those choosing it. Their methods are very "neutrally-positive", in my experience.
For the benefit of those researching through these blogs, look carefully at the "belief systems" used - even in FIGU and Meier followers there exists those unwilling to verify - for themselves - and choose to follow rather than critically think and test all things.
There is little difference in accepting what is delivered, whether time-travel -or alien information(s) (although it-Meier may be the most accurate material in the last analysis available upon this planet) - without testing and verification, to those believing and following those who claim a special relationship with any deity or benevolent ET.
I accept Meier's "announcer of truth" position, as there are many, many items that clear up the history of cosmologies past. BUT, never without personal verification and testing of the data and its source. Anyone reading the Contact reports, know of the dialogue between Meier and Plejaren as to 'their' opinion, versus, choice and delivery of what he - Billy, chose to eventually do.
Having studied and involved myself in research in ancient texts, archaeology and civilizations - even at my level of depth - the Meier material helped to clarify what was a more solid basis for that data.
Whew! That was long-winded!
Thomas57 |
Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 169
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 03:46 am: |
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Thomas57
"Chris - Seems, You are just stuck in your narrow points of reference - and want to create another 'religion' out of Meier materials."
...if you can call that asking you the same questions which you still haven't answered. Dude, how difficult is it for you to stay on topic?
..."Mankind" will never benefit from "my" research"...
I do hope you're wrong, because that would mean wasting people's time.
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Jedaiah
Member
Post Number: 44
Registered: 09-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 06:36 am: |
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Oh look, the ego wars on these forums spike on. Wondering if some of you just read the teachings to have combat weapon-knowledge or live in truth.
There's a difference between knowing and doing.
Talk is cheap.
Walk the walk. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2346
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 07:47 am: |
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Maybe we can get back on topic?
Discussions on the theory of time travel according to FIGU's information. |
Thomas57
Member
Post Number: 39
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 09:11 am: |
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Thank you, Scott;
as I have asked those writing here on this forum, to provide for FIGU references/data to their research in 'time-travel', are you aware of any in relationship to TMI or RV methodologies? |
Thomas57
Member
Post Number: 40
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 09:27 am: |
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Jedaiah; (real name?)
Yes; I agree 'talk' is cheap. Some cannot(read that "will not") be able to learn, until there is space inside them to put additional data, including that which is testable and researchable.
Have you any experience in using FIGU materials, TMI or RV methodologies in 'time-travel'? Will you share it here - even amidst the temperature of some of these discussions?
The reference to "combat weapon-knowledge";(great stuff - caused me to insure my POV was focused appropriately) some days, it appears to be as such, when attempting to gather accurate, verifiable data; especially when those claiming experience or special knowledge attack in personal reference, rather than actually contribute to the discussion.(including my own, as some could read posts that way) Those who write that way, seem to be less interested in learning, than in respectful sharing of experience with FIGU material and data discovered.
Thank you for your pleasant reminder! |
Thomas57
Member
Post Number: 41
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2012 - 09:47 am: |
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Michael(reference to your post #621-4)
Did you find any useful application to the Home RC course?
One of the items I concluded from(research level and small participation-mine) those using the SRV, RV and RS(remote sensing), actually was clarified by some of Meier material. It is from his article on the power(might) of thought.
(This seems to be the result)The accessing Storage-Bank data - from the Human perspective - actually being human- is 'coloured' by the person's level of evolution and thought; a reference point discovered/defined by the CIA's Stargate teams exercises.
Then there are the many other 'refined' points, that eventually led them to terminating the Program - as they discovered that they could not
'control' all outcomes- without giving up on their want for 'power' over others. (from discussions within TMI and past SG researchers)
This would also make sense when using Meier/Pleyaren oriented data during researching into those Storage Banks.
This may also be a key in determining the disappearance of materials from the FIGU center.
Thomas |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 2613
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 - 01:25 am: |
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Thomas57 and Ferbon....
You should get used to it, here, that YOU yourself have to SEARCH for your
own!
We can only provide...so much answers to your question. YOU, have to work for
it, yourself!
That is not that difficult, no?
Let us keep it all here, 'civilized'...without any unneeded negative comments
against, each other, ok?
If you can do better: so, be it...
Be thankful, that certain individuals here, provide you with answers.
Indeed, like Scott said: Discussions on the theory of time travel according
to FIGU's information.
Monroe, is NO FIGU material.
Edward. |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 2614
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 - 01:35 am: |
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Hi Jedaiah....
Wisely said!
The Newbees, just have to behave themselves...and distinct that this board is
not just a board, just like others.
Indeed, THEY should indeed start off with the Spirit(ual) Teaching(s)!!
May, give them and Idea HOW to behave, themselves?
Nothing personal guys, just advice from someone who has ben here from the
beginning; seen your types come-and-go..... nothing new!
Now, back to: FIGU Material on Time Travel...please...
Edward. |
Melissa
Member
Post Number: 50
Registered: 01-2012
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 - 05:46 am: |
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Very interesting is the concept of time travel, especially relating to the spirit and personalities.
Link to previous post on this topic:
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/9274.html#POST27747
Very cool to think that the spirit connected to me from the past, would be different, based on its evolution, than mine is today. Therefore this would allow for Billy and Jmmanuel to visit with each other, as themselves.
Have any of you ever used GIMP? I keep getting ideas of 'layers' when thinking of time travel, parallel universes, etc.
Very cool thinking. 
-Melissa
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Thomas57
Member
Post Number: 44
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 - 10:36 am: |
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Thank you, Melissa; the first intelligent, non-orthodoxy valued comment in recent postings here.
Actually, I found that the links coming from that reference, tie in quite well, in utilizing FIGU materials, and expanding upon others(non-orthodoxy related) researches into time/dimensional/ spirit 'traveling' - or whatever category one could describe such with.(educated or simple in heart-oriented spiritual growth)
(Scott - as you wish -assign this to a section about using FIGU as a religion - or perhaps create one, so that those addressing these lessons/blogs/involved-in-learning) can differentiate between serious inquiry or re-mouthing posted data)
Seems several of those recent posters, have not yet escaped discipleship and worship - but then (you) Scott can decide whether such is a portion of this level of the blogs.
I have encountered as much more of enough of that type of thought from such simple - currently unanswered questions - than I did when - as a youth - went into the churches/gurus/cults. These types of answers(Edward, 'Ferbon'=Chris, and a few others) have a definite lean in that direction - IMO.
Melissa; you and Jedaiah, - IMO - have actually applied the spirit lessons to your activities -AND been able to think outside-the-FIGU affected orthodoxy 'time traveling' box. Thank you for your commentary and links; very helpful - AND I might add, have verified what I found through experience within other sources of lesson data.
I will share what I encountered/uncovered by personal search and learning with only those who are honest(not full-to-the-brim minds) seekers - and then only privately, as I am not supporting another 'religion' - especially one started from within FIGU. These individuals ought to read the early CR on its formation, activities, and results - for a clarification as to the results of where their types of thought and actions will result in.
Who would have ever thought such possible - within the FIGU forum? (well, 'just human'???) (that's rhetorical, Ladds!) |
Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 174
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 - 05:29 pm: |
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Thomas57
Hope talking sense to you will work this time:
It is quite hard to qualify your posts to any section on this portal. What are you trying to say? To whom? On what subject? How is this related to anything?
Let me say it again: relate to Figu material since you're on Figu website. Provide links to contact reports, prove your points! We're here to study and discuss FIGU material -not- your personal obsessions. I am all ears if your research is based on Figu - get it? Why are you here? What is your purpose?
This portal has been created explicitly to STUDY FIGU MATERIAL - discuss it, explore it, study it, learn from it, grow from it, evolve based on it.
I am ready to drum it to you until you get it since you couldn't find this clue in my previous posts.
What is the purpose of this portal? TO STUDY FIGU MATERIAL. Call it what you want for what I care. We are here to STUDY FIGU MATERIAL, the contact reports, Goblet Of Truth, Spiritual Teaching, Special Bulletins, learn German language etc. etc.
If you didn't know that, then now you know. Respect that or move on.
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