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Ferbon Member
Post Number: 342 Registered: 05-2012
| Posted on Sunday, January 26, 2014 - 08:16 am: |
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Shark "(...)He does not want to confirm parallel worlds and then have people read Michio Kaku, for example, and then think that it is the same as the spirit teaching." Hope you didn't get this nonsense statement from your study group. btw. could you first explain why is Universe's expansion apparently speeding up before we get to the parallel reality? Salome |
   
Justsayno Member
Post Number: 592 Registered: 10-2009
| Posted on Sunday, January 26, 2014 - 08:58 am: |
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If you think of the example that no two snowflakes are the same (although they may look the same, there are slight differences in the chemical compound). I think it's the same with every spirit form. It's only the ego that demands that you think you are the same person, somewhere else. The Titor case may be intriguing but doesn't hold a candle to the Meier material. Don't lose sight of what's important in the here and now. Could be that your time travel might have to happen in one of your future lifetimes. Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Thomas57 Member
Post Number: 84 Registered: 12-2009
| Posted on Sunday, January 26, 2014 - 09:02 am: |
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Aye, Laddy(Shark - what a way to describe your sneaky posting into this forum!); I do each week! (pipes!) Of the many discoveries I came across(experientially) - what the TMI demonstrated was that there are 'worlds' created by 'beliefs', and some portion of mindal energy forms them(for each of us), and beyond the physical focus we have as living entities, these 'places' exist where non-material conditions are the 'rule' of Creationary laws. Since I am NOT inside BEAMs mind, I will not speak for him(or any other), -other- than the ability to test rampant(multitudinous) theories requires physical means(to process them for all in the material-levels). Logically, Titor and Adamski cases are NOT testable due to a severe lack of actual DATA and methodology. ANYONE can write and spuriously create theories - almost all being UNTESTABLE due to the same lacking data - which propose outcomes. BUT-what use are those in the 'real' world?? With M Kaku, he has the same parameters to deal with - in the postulations of 'modern' science about cosmology thesis'. The major difference is the theorist who wants cross verification from another researcher actually seeks 'repeatability and critical analysis' - and it IS that process that makes any theorem become principle. Meier writes about the 'DAL' universe, and Asket as a contact from that level - of which there are physical proofs in the way of photos(his) and communicae from her - Contact reports(which anyone can read from and think logically about, then test . . . as well as TMI 'excursions' using Hemi-Sync) As some here - who have understood the further levels of material (5th, 6th and 7th), therein are components that describe and govern (theoretically) - may have already surmised and postulated-tested or established actual basis for testing; with the resulting outcomes eliminating many of the spurious and illogical theses'. Development of any of the further discoveries in that arena of matter will show those who have accomplished it, to be advanced sufficiently to deal with the Creationary use of such ability(as did the scientists who developed the methods of learning the 'foundation stones of life' and then warned others of the improbable actions of government that misused the process for death purposes). While any of us can recognize the 'indomitable energy of youth' and its abilities to propel us into further discoveries, sometimes simply requiring those in non-post-graduate levels of life - to form their theses' into testable conditions - irritates their senses, and rather than actually DOING their tests, some begin to cry, moan, temper-tantrum their protesting ways. All of which - IMO- demonstrates the 'why' of structured levels of reality. As the Pleyaren and DALs have separated themselves from our material levels - b-w-o time-space indexing - those separations keep any of us from polluting their systems and stinking up the area with rotten diaper smells! In "The Psyche" - there are learnable, testable methods in which the earth-human can discipline themselves so that the 'stench' of auric radiation, is reduced and contained. All of which processes (similar to using LEAN manufacturing methods to eliminate non-value-added activities)- leaves the environs clean enough for others to walk paths and make self-discoveries. Results: Prime directive level advancements! |
   
Thomas57 Member
Post Number: 85 Registered: 12-2009
| Posted on Sunday, January 26, 2014 - 09:09 am: |
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With Pendrakes' Post #16(at last) there is a usable link: http://www.gizmag.com/aging-reveresed-mitochondria/30209/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=218db8204f-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-218db8204f-90188541 and I thank him for the sharing of that! |
   
Thomas57 Member
Post Number: 86 Registered: 12-2009
| Posted on Sunday, January 26, 2014 - 09:56 am: |
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Again, for those looking for FIGU -German post: http://forum.figu.org/de/messages/3/2144.html#POST2326 Pendrake; I am NOT attacking 'at' you, with my reply thoughts. Look for the specific request in my posts, and if you have data, please - I invite you to return-reply with that data. I am surprised that "Ferbon" or "Edward" haven't been more vociferous with you with your Titor posts("not FIGU materials ) Perhaps, the forum does get used as a 'gaming' level of analysis - by the male-gendered posters(myself INCLUDED), as many of us tend to 'poke bears with spears', to get a usable reaction to researching posts. When I write about 'levels' of development, I AM very AWARE that I am in the same 'boat' - and that there are those here who are more advanced than I at a particular point of reference in time-space. My 'condition' (think theory of relativity - special=conditional) is qualified by perspective(sometimes a daily changing event) comprehension and care (in sharing with others my thoughts). Many years ago, I wrote this "Prime Directive" for my personal use - and it was the result of being forewarned by semi-material beings - who seemed to care about my advancement and wished for me to relax my studies, so as to digest and utilize them more completely. I offer this, as an insight to those wishing to understand this level of "me", as I progress each day. Prime Directive: January 1988: "There exists the condition of life for all, and especially for self-aware beings that, through their diligence and evolution, they have evolved in some degree, further than others (or of their peers). Those in that aware state, have a high degree of responsibility to another’s evolution. We must guard against the possibility that that in our words and actions, we do not share any facts or propositions that these others are not capable of assimilating. Even to the placement of these thoughts(in the form of questions), must of necessity, require them to consider that idea. If, our actions and thoughts (hopefully following the principles Creation), produce a question from others, asking us to convey or expand our thoughts and discoveries, then at that time, it may be proper to explain what we have discovered to be more accurate through our own efforts and explorations, and to relay to those asking the questions the mechanics of arriving at our conclusions or correctness of thought. We must remember that we were “there” a few moments of time ago. While there is the possibility to inspire others to seek for themselves those discoveries by our actions, we must remember that the time in the “muck and mire” of evolution, provides its own incentives for evolution – and – that we cannot pronounce or judge for another the timing or necessity to evolve. This is emphatically real when one considers that the seed of Creation lies within all forms and is accessible to them through their own efforts. 1/3/1988" T57 |
   
Shark_mode Member
Post Number: 6 Registered: 01-2014
| Posted on Sunday, January 26, 2014 - 04:51 pm: |
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Hey there Mr Lee, "This is the year 2014 so you've got tad over 2 decades to achieve time travel technology if you believe in what Billy referred to as 'Rubbish Fantasy' story" It's great to be interacting with you again. From Contact 251, " In the wake and expansion of these developments, a travel and transportation factor becomes reality which, prior to 1995 and long into the future, had been called fantasy: Time travel." Well my friend, according to Figu the foundation for time travel was laid sometime around 1995. Now almost 20 years later it would seem that science has learned more. So I don't see a problem with Titor saying that time travel was invented on Earth in 2036 on his worldline. This would seem to correlate with the Meier material, to some degree. Cheers, Anthony |
   
Newinitiation Member
Post Number: 941 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Monday, January 27, 2014 - 03:44 pm: |
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Hi Sharkmode/Anthony It's good to communicate with you also Anthony. Now you may have to admit that we must all be careful when applying reductionism to Billy's text as it rips apart the important context in which the correct meaning can be deduced. I will provide the lengthy section which preserves roughly the right time period and the context behind the sentence you've quoted to give you some idea that this paragraph is definitely not referring to our time period but many hundreds if not thousands of years into the future. Focus on the 'dying sun', 'new energy source' and so on and extrapolate with logic how long it would take for us earthlings to achieve it in 2014 given that we still haven't figured out what the 3 other natural forces are. cheers Matt Lee 'The time will come when further powerful changes take place within the SOL system as the Sun's nuclear fusions decrease. Indeed, the entire gravity field will not only become unmanageable and changed, but large-scale climatic changes will become the daily norm. These occurrences will inspire scientists to record performances because they will wish to find methods to counteract the Sun's negative consequences. These consequences will manifest themselves far sooner than anticipated in fact, and contradict millennia-old, erroneous scientific assumptions. Only then will people correctly realize that the Sun is a dying celestial body and that, subsequently, the end of the SOL system will herewith be predetermined already. Nonetheless, the Sun will continue to exist another billion years, but by then it will be a dead star that will, ultimately, be swallowed up and destroyed by a Black Hole. Therefore, scientists will begin performing at feverish rates. In the process they will discover that the base for pi was miscalculated. By eliminating the error in pi, and correcting future computations based on pi, scientists and their amazing, highly developed technology will have the capability to make unimaginable energies accessible to the people of Earth. This will be accomplished through the terrestrials' diversion and utilization of energies from Black Holes from within the Milky Way system. Scientists at this time, though, will still be unable to travel to the center of our galaxy to tap the existing Black Hole in that region. Still, it will be unnecessary to go to the center of our galaxy, at least at that particular time, for nearby objects will produce sufficient energy to serve Earth's needs. This new energy source, in fact, the energy type itself, will enable terrestrials to develop new forms of space travel. In the wake and expansion of these developments, a travel and transportation factor becomes reality which, prior to 1995 and long into the future, had been called fantasy: Time travel'. |
   
Shark_mode Member
Post Number: 7 Registered: 01-2014
| Posted on Monday, January 27, 2014 - 05:33 pm: |
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Hey Ferby, How's it hanging? Hope you are doing well. "Hope you didn't get this nonsense statement from your study group." No my friend, the statement is ALL my own, testament to the fact that I think for myself. "btw. could you first explain why is Universe's expansion apparently speeding up before we get to the parallel reality?" I have no idea about why "speeding up." Why don't we stick for now with all the parallels I've shown between C251 and Titor's explanation for his time machine? It's funny that no matter how much I try to back up my ideas with actual Meier material quotes, it seems that people ignore it and go strait for the kill. Best regards, Anthony |
   
Shark_mode Member
Post Number: 9 Registered: 01-2014
| Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 08:50 pm: |
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Hey Newt, I still don't see a problem. This is happening right now: "...large-scale climatic changes will become the daily norm. These occurrences will inspire scientists to record performances because they will wish to find methods to counteract the Sun's negative consequences. These consequences will manifest themselves far sooner than anticipated..." "...the Sun will continue to exist another billion years, but by then it will be a dead star that will, ultimately, be swallowed up and destroyed by a Black Hole." The natural evolution of a star. " ...highly developed technology will have the capability to make unimaginable energies accessible to the people of Earth. This will be accomplished through the terrestrials' diversion and utilization of energies from Black Holes from within the Milky Way system." CERN Large Hadron Collider, mate! How can you ignore the date 1995? This is key in my opinion to the hints for time travel in C251. Please mate, address this if you would. People who have not studied time travel or thought about it much find it difficult to see that this technology is easier than trying to go beyond light speed with a ship. You are warping a localized area with mini singularities with these 'time' machines; you don't have to send a ship long distances, just change into a new time-space configuration with something that fits in a box and can be portable. Time travel my friends, in my Billy Meier opinion, is right around the corner for the earth humans! But this does not mean that the public will have access and take a trip at Disneyland or buy one at Walmart. |
   
Shark_mode Member
Post Number: 10 Registered: 01-2014
| Posted on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 09:12 pm: |
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Hey All Y'all, How come nobody has bitten me for this one, "The problem for the Billy Meier mind is that the time travel laws are all wrong. You can not for example go back in time, tell your grandfather that you have a nice fix for the 2000 computer bug in the 1970s and erase Y2K. Or can you? And still not change the future or the past because it would be set in stone?" ??? This is my Achilles heal, btw. So, if you want to challenge "my nonsense" please bite here)... - Cheers! Anthony |
   
Thomas57 Member
Post Number: 88 Registered: 12-2009
| Posted on Wednesday, January 29, 2014 - 03:14 pm: |
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Hey there, Anthony! Glad to always read your words as your personal investment into learning! It seems(IMO) that there ARE similarities in our posts(as to mannerisms of delivery), and I just wanted to share - I enjoy reading yours! T |
   
Verlanis Member
Post Number: 60 Registered: 10-2012
| Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2014 - 12:02 pm: |
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_433#section_2 Contact 433 had some interesting phenomena disclosed. Jack --
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Derrycity Member
Post Number: 6 Registered: 08-2013
| Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2014 - 06:11 pm: |
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Can anyone reference anything from the Billy Meier material that might interest a math theorist and scholar. |
   
Tat_tvam_asi Member
Post Number: 35 Registered: 04-2011
| Posted on Friday, January 31, 2014 - 06:14 am: |
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Re. Space and Time Travel: If we summarize the teachings of BM we may define the ultimate goal of human (material) life as gaining a mind that lives in oneness with the laws of the universe and grows in wisdom until a material environment is no longer necessary for its growth. Until this oneness is achieved human environments correspond to a certain learning and growth, environments that change with our developing mind. What then may be the focus today - the growth humanity has to learn in our times? We may find an answer this question when we generalize the development of humans on our planet.. Stone Age Man may have only known his family. The invention of the wheel and horse riding may have contributed that at a later stage man was able to identify with his tribe and than his nation. The creation of ships let to the discovery of other continents. New discoveries like telephone, radio, TV and internet opened up our mind to news of all countries of our planet. So each evolutionary step was necessary to open our mind to a greater sense of oneness (family – tribe – province – country – continent – planet). I think that we should create a human oneness first According to our technologies today (internet) many humans on our planet can partake with the fate of their fellow humans and in their hearts is an ever growing sense of human oneness. But the citizens of countries are ruled by governments that do not listen to their citizens. And does not our education through media, family, teachers, politicians and religious leaders prevent us to express this oneness sincerely and freely? We are still forced to live in accord with religious dogmas / rites and national prides and policies and try to protect these as if they were the highest of all virtues. Is not the present discussion about spying symptomatic for the existing disunity? If (acc. to Oxfam) the 85 richest people in our world possess as much as the poorest 3,500,000,000 (3.5 billion) people we are on the wrong track. In this scenario – how would one stimulate a growth into a truthful human oneness? Are not natural calamities – like climate change and the danger of a meteor hitting earth, the realization that our sun is a dying sun – needed to shake up many a politician, religious leader and citizens mind that we really should all work in unity with each other? The point I make is this: Humanity - at this point in time – is required to establish a global oneness first – a thinking of being a global citizen living in global oneness – before Space and Time Travel will happen. This spiritual development should not take anything away from the events given in the quoted CR 251. When do our scientists realize that our sun is a dying sun? Some indications that something is not as it should be were in the news a few days ago: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25743806 http://www.newsfactor.com/blog_article.php?aid=5328256 |
   
Shark_mode Member
Post Number: 15 Registered: 01-2014
| Posted on Friday, January 31, 2014 - 04:15 pm: |
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Hey there forum, Something to consider. Billy is known for saying that most outside ET contacts are fake. And for years we have been hearing that Billy is the only real ET, on-going, face-to-face, contactee. We learn from Meier that ET abductions are fake. ET crashes are super rare. And besides the Plejaren, there are only three other real ET races that monitoring the earth, the earth aliens. So for the most part Billy is used to saying that most every UFO case, aside from his, is bogus. So isn't it possible, with regards to the John Titor case, that Billy was on auto-pilot when he said it was "fantasy and rubbish?" In other words, isn't possible Billy Meier is wrong about Titor? Cheers! Anthony |
   
Blake_p Member
Post Number: 174 Registered: 07-2012
| Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2014 - 04:08 pm: |
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Anthony, How's it going,hope to see you in AZ in a week for a meeting. Maybe I didn't catch enough of the conversation,but regarding time travel and contact 251; Those future happenings in those 23 pages that Billy wrote out are extended over a very long time for many of those circumstances,plus some were not put in order on purpose,as well. Especially for time travel,it will take us a long time to achieve,not only through exponential achievements in science but in consciousness as well. Time travel is not granted until a civilization has matured to a certain level of responsibility and care for such things. We are obviously a long way from that,we will not have time travel for a very long time. |
   
Shark_mode Member
Post Number: 18 Registered: 01-2014
| Posted on Saturday, February 01, 2014 - 07:44 pm: |
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Hey Blake old buddy, Yes I will do my best to see you too. Please see my 9th post. This should clear things up. And no, I could be wrong too. But please back up your statement that the earth humans "will not have time travel for a very long time." What makes you think this my friend? Most people assume that time travel is some mystical technology that can mess up the time-space continuum. That only highly advanced being could handle the laws. I read the contact and I see something different. I say TT is right around the corner for the earth humans, however crude and dangerous and far from Federation perfection. Cheers! Anthony |
   
Newinitiation Member
Post Number: 943 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Sunday, February 02, 2014 - 11:51 pm: |
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Hi Anthony Sorry for the belated reply as I am overseas where access to the internet seems to be very hard to come by. Anyway to your question about the year 1995, anybody's guess is as good as mine and you may have even partly answered your own question in that it is an unequivocal fact that there is an ultra secret military as well as commercial research labs that have many bright scientists working on exotic science and technologies. Another unequivocal truth is that most of these information about new discoveries and findings are kept hidden away from the masses. So essentially we really don't know either way nor can we say with certainty what Billy was referring to when he included 1995. I don't take Billy's statements dogmatically nor on faith in as much as I could possibly prevent it but on some things we just have to trust Billy and the plejaren on it and frankly this subject of time travel is one of them. You might have to agree with me on one thing, time travel is time travel and there is nothing in between. You either travel back in time or the future relative to the real universal time that everything is fixed upon. And the time I mean is the time that is flowing right here right now second by second, hour by hour which cannot be changed ever. If I was to have a stab at what the 1995 refers to this may have been the year that the theory of time travel was accurately proposed and determined by our scientists or physicists and their calculation somewhat correctly given. But like I said everyone's guess is as good as mine. cheers Matt Lee |
   
Shark_mode Member
Post Number: 19 Registered: 01-2014
| Posted on Monday, February 03, 2014 - 07:16 pm: |
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Hey Matt, We don't really have to guess; we can use logic and reason to figure things out. This is the point to becoming a thinking human being. Here is a possible hint about 1995: http://press.web.cern.ch/press-releases/1995/05/cerns-experimental-programme-1995-starts-right-time Excerpt from the article, "1995 promises to be an exciting year for CERN. The CP LEAR experiment is already collecting good quality data with antiprotons, hoping to understand the mechanism, known as charge-parity (CP) violation, which has lead to the domination of matter over antimatter in the Universe. The two experiments, CHORUS and NOMAD, devoted to the elusive neutrino particle are hoping to shed some light on the Universe's dark matter." And here is another clue about dark matter and tiny black holes: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/08/dark-matter-black-holes_n_4408646.html I find it amazing that C251 talks about "Black Holes" and how "This new energy source, in fact, the energy type itself, will enable terrestrials to develop new forms of space travel. In the wake and expansion of these developments, a travel and transportation factor becomes reality which, prior to 1995 and long into the future, had been called fantasy: Time travel." So we got this "new energy source" not only leading to "time travel" but also to "new forms of space travel." John Titor's alleged device was powered by two mini black holes. And this device peered into new worldlines or dimensions AND allowed one to time travel once in that new times-space configuration. How come nobody else on this forum finds this interesting and inline with C251 revelations? Something else to consider: Billy calls Titor "fantasy" on his questions--answered thread and C251 refers to time travel as "fantasy." Interesting, eh? Cheers! Anthony |
   
Blake_p Member
Post Number: 175 Registered: 07-2012
| Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2014 - 07:35 am: |
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The reason why I said it would be a long time; Well one it seems to be obvious that since we barely have the beginnings of space travel technology,even at the ultra secret level, that it would be highly unlikely that we will discover time travel before we've even perfected space travel. Remember time jumps are for not only traveling into the future and past but mostly to bridge the gap of time it takes to travel interstellar or intergalactic distances. Even in the 23 pages we don't perfect space travel for a long time so it would seem to be implausible to me to have time travel. Most importantly, as I said in my other post, time travel is not granted,meaning that it is not allowed to be discovered by races that are not evolved enough to handle the responsibility,until a certain level of consciousness is achieved,which would make perfect sense to me,and of course,we are very far away from any kind of higher overall consciousness. I mean logically, how could we achieve time travel and not even be able to reach other planets in our solar system,doesn't seem very logical. Matt Lee- I disagree with some universal constant of right now,or time flowing in any direction. Time is relative to the observer,so wherever the person experiencing the present,it would seem to flow from that point relative to them. But really there is no present,only future and past,even Billy has said this. In my opinion, time cannot be linear, because you could not go into the past or future if there were only one time line from past to future. As Semjase said there are dimensions within dimensions,and time configurations within time configurations, so to me time exists everywhere at once,but only in different dimensions or time configurations,so you are not traveling to a time as much as a place. |
   
Newinitiation Member
Post Number: 944 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2014 - 08:49 pm: |
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Hi Anthony It's interesting that you understand those sentences that you've quoted the way that you do and it presents another perspective although in my honest opinion and this is just my own opinion that is subject to mistakes like everybody else, it came across as a misunderstanding of Billy's words. Like I said and in full agreement with Blake's post below with the logical reasons given I am of the view that we will not be able to achieve time travel for many many centuries and I just cannot accept the fact that Titor time traveled from the year 2036. It's highly likely that either he has read Billy's contact notes or that he has a knack for spinning a yarn or two. If he still alive why not try to contact him and put him to the test so that people can hear the truth from the horse's own mouth. The biggest mystery is, if as he claims that he has come from the future, why aren't every cat and dog under the sun in this hyper materialistic world that we live in hanging onto his arsehole trying to wring every bit of info on the future stock prices, the next lottery number, the best property investment opportunity, their own future, ideas into the next killer app and tech, info on how to build the time travel device that he traveled with, military technology, state of the time periods for up to 2036 on social trends and many other pertinent information for any person or nation to get the upper hand and so on. Better still why hasn't anyone including people from the corporate military industrial complex nexus ever try to kidnap him for what is inside his head. His story just doesn't stack up to logic nor has he provided any tangible proof beyond his story and words that he really came from the future on par with Billy's impeccable proof materials or at the very least a computer device or a smart phone like communicating device such as a cranial implant consistent with the time and period whence he came from. If we, among those here, who have managed to arrive at the truth delivered by the prophet himself in this particular time against so many odds stack against it, this is proof enough that we were either very fortunate or that there were certain qualities to our consciousness and logical powers which enabled the truth to either come to us or us to find it surreptitiously. This would mean that there was either a definite purpose or foreordination or that our particular spirit from the past incarnations had some connection with the truth even though this is not a given. So any emphasis of Titor's time travel story beyond the satisfaction of brief curiosity represents a step back rather than forward in our evolution since his story relies on people to believe rather than to know not that anybody can gain anything worthwhile from his story anyway unlike Billy's redelivered Creational spiritual teachings of life and spirit. So I would advise people to be cautious of over-zealousness in their attention to such stories which is so replete in kind in the era that we are living and if still interested, try to focus on the current tangible scientific literature about time travel. It's everybody's right and freedom to think, feel, do, say, write, see, read, focus, taste, live, hear and so on as they see fit so I have nothing against this but it's just advisable to be a little more responsible for what we put inside our heads sometimes. cheers Matt lee |
   
Votan Member
Post Number: 159 Registered: 12-2011
| Posted on Tuesday, February 04, 2014 - 11:40 pm: |
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Blake__p I disagree because it has been stated that we have back engineered UFOs then it stands to reason that we can also time travel. joe
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Shark_mode Member
Post Number: 20 Registered: 01-2014
| Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2014 - 05:56 am: |
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Hey Blake, "...time travel is not granted,meaning that it is not allowed to be discovered by races that are not evolved enough to handle the responsibility,until a certain level of consciousness is achieved..." My friend, this is a religious statement. "Not allowed?" By whom? As you know there is no hand of God holding back anything back or dishing anything out. The Plejaren made it clear that the earth human technological growth is greatly outpacing our spiritual development. Now I'm going from memory, but in the Meier film "Contact" or the "Meier Chronicles" it is said at the time that the earth humans are thousands of years behind the Ps in terms of spirituality, but only hundreds of years (I think 400) behind them in our technological development. "...how could we achieve time travel and not even be able to reach other planets in our solar system,doesn't seem very logical." My friend, even our rockets are reaching planets in our system. What makes you think that the secret earth flying discs, triangles, and the like are not capable of going to Mars, for example? Please present a Figu quote my friend. Cheers! Anthony |
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