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Andrew_hua
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Post Number: 14
Registered: 12-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 07:19 pm: | 
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Of course the physical body can be destroyed by weapons, but the spirit-form cannot.
You seem to be harbouring a lot of negativity by looking forward to a world war breaking out but this is already against the teaching to remain neutral-positive. Of course, we must be aware of the problems that we are facing and then make the necessary changes within ourselves and then without, but from your words it seems you have already given up hope. Hopelessness will be unhelpful. |
Votan
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Post Number: 214
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 07:28 pm: |
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We can avert a world war by all having positive thoughts against all the negative war mongers.
We should have a day of anti World War effort . The power of thought is a mighty weapon.
joe
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Hendrikus1970
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Post Number: 37
Registered: 04-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2014 - 07:41 am: |
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i cant help to see that news and whats going on with our planet,religions and so on.
look now at canada and russia the last few days about claiming the artic.
its not that im negative but the whole world is.
economies cant be fixed,overpopulation and i can tell you 100000 more things.
secret governments,greed of the so called smart people,
they got us all in a grip my friend.
so no im not negative but just realistic.
The power of thought right?
wel let me inform you on what the greedy and fanatics are thinking! would you say that there more of those wankers around then that we are?
logic logic |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 877
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2014 - 03:30 pm: |
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Re: Michael
All the signs are pointing towards it. Ask Billy he would know.
Votan, I'm asking you, you made the comment. |
Darren
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Post Number: 442
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2014 - 07:42 pm: |
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"We can avert a world war by all having positive thoughts against all the negative war mongers."
Votan, by "all" I take it you mean all us Meier case followers?
Either way in my opinion I think that is unlikely to happen. Having those positive thoughts as well as also even doing the peace meditation too is no guarantee to avert WW3 if our war monger leaders want to go to war.
Ritak
Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 10:00 am:
Dear Billy,
I hope you are well. I am wondering about the effects of the peace meditation. If there are 3.5 billion Extraterrestrials + 4000 or so Earthlings doing the peace meditation and that is not enough to stop a third world war, how many more participants would it take to stop the war?
Thank you!
Salome,
Rita
Answer
Even 100 billion persons are not enough if there are people who don't want to make peace, but prefer quarrel and war. Peace meditation slightly influences a vibration. It is no coercion. The free will of any person is guaranteed. As a rule only persons respond to these vibrations who do not strive for power, who are modest and who are peace-loving. This is a minority only, unfortunately. However, in the course of time this minority will become the majority. |
Blake_p
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Post Number: 232
Registered: 07-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 02:02 pm: |
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Hendrikus1970,
I will answer you question really quick before addressing what I wanted to originally....
Our spirit forms cannot be damaged in any way,if that's what u meant,since they are a part piece of the creation and are indestructible from any action,at any level,that any human being can make,we will simply die,be separated from our material body,move into the beyond,and wait to become another,albeit a different personality.
I wanted to address something Jacob mentioned in his post;
Jacob said " I wonder who can fill Michael's shoes,it is certainly not me,and I doubt anyone here can do that." (So were clear this is not a jab at Jacob or anyone,just something I felt needed to be mentioned)
Firstly,Michael is not a mythological creature flying around the world sprinkling magical mission dust on everyone. He is a guy who found Billy,had an association with the material,and had/has a motor fueled by a very strong conviction to make a difference,and has followed through with that on every level. So in that sense I have the same reverence and respect for the titans of the mission as everyone else.
But this isn't about filling shoes,or comparing yourself to what others have done,this is about everyone making a difference on whatever level is appropriate concerning their life circumstances as well as their conviction for furthering the mission. Trust me,I speak with the man on a daily basis and work with him weekly, he would be ecstatic if people would start doing things on their own initiative,of course there are things within the bounds of Michaels position that would only be facilitated by him but mostly not. Here is the direct quote from Billy,that Jacob posted, from the contact with Ptaah;
"Indeed,not all human beings need to be working in his tireless scope,because a lesser commitment is already very valuable,and such a one can be achieved through them. A small number of human beings can achieve much and bring,in many others,change for the better,and good,IF they make the effort.How does it go,constant dripping wears away the stone."
So nobody needs to be the next Michael Horn nor do they need to compare themselves to anyone else, facilitate what is in the bounds of your ability,have conviction about doing something to make a difference through the mission,even if it's something small. People forget that Michael started off like everyone else,and was learning and becoming better under someone else(Randy Winters) for a while before he did any of the stuff he does now.What happens when exceptional people,who,we all have ridden the backs of,like Billy,CF,MH,Wendell S,or whoever, depart from this world. What will we do? Who cares if it takes 20 people to do what one person did, we have to make up the difference and keep moving forward,period.
If you have the motivation and conviction to make a difference,find a way.Its on all our shoulders,isn't it?
I know I'm going to make a difference,anyone else who feels the same,hit me up anytime,I don't care where your at or where your from,we'll find a way! |
Votan
Member
Post Number: 216
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2014 - 03:06 am: |
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Our spirit forms are just that, they cannot be destroyed by material man.
joe
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Hendrikus1970
Member
Post Number: 38
Registered: 04-2009
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 04:41 am: |
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Thank you for that clear answer Blake
I was worried that the power of a nuclear warr would destroy us .i read that somewhere but cant recall where that was.
Thanks again.
Kind regards,
Hendrikus |
Votan
Member
Post Number: 218
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 09:03 pm: |
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Michael-horn
Sorry for not getting back to you earlier. I did post you a message last week but my server went blank.
I asked my crystal pendulum. It might not be scientific but it does work.
Although I have a good friend who tells me that with all the world hot spots it will be earlier.
Also my partner does a excellent version of the stars where she actually compares the life version of people. It is very accurate.
joe
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Darren
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Post Number: 444
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 10:07 pm: |
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Votan "World War 111 will not start till 2020."
MH "You know this to be a certainty how?"
Votan "I asked my crystal pendulum. It might not be scientific but it does work." 
Votan, is this a joke or are you for real?? If it's the latter I'll tell you what you once told me - Please get off your high horse!  |
Votan
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Post Number: 220
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 04:42 pm: |
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Darren
That is the trouble with people like you, if you do not understand something, you ridicule it.
joe
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 878
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 05:20 pm: |
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> The fact is that our thoughts, hopes, beliefs, etc., consciously or unconsciously held can and do influence such things as pendulums, etc., creating subtle micro-movements that we may not be aware of.
Perhaps try suspending the pendulum from a hook, fixed object, etc., over the question or substance being tested and see if it moves. You can even try to give it a nudge to create simply a neutral back and forth motion. Then observe and see if it gives you an "answer" by moving in a circle one way or the other. |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 1038
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, August 15, 2014 - 02:03 am: |
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Hi Votan,
"I asked my crystal pendulum. It might not be scientific but it does work."
I never believed in pendulums till seeing one in action and taking part in a demonstration though this was among Reiki healers.
One person lay on a massage table whilst others took turns holding a pendulum (quartz on a thin chain, string or strand of leather line) over the person and over some places apparently of it's own accord or by some influence it started either moving from side to side or in a circular motion or remained static ...... these were quite pronounced movements and yes we were all watching the holding hand for steadiness or signs of movement.
It's used to discover places of current (energy) inbalance in that application which is a healing enviroment though i imagine it can also utilized somehow for fortune telling or other practices to obtain yes - no answers according to motion.
However for sure my hand wasn't moving though the pendulum was ..... not much but was a genuine surprise because i was a skeptic.
Old wives and fortune tellers tales ..... maybe 
Cheers.
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Darren
Member
Post Number: 444
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 10:24 pm: |
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Votan,
I was not really trying to ridicule it or you. I just don't think that method or the others you mentioned could be reliable.
You haven't said if you were joking there or not?
Ok, what about your partner that you say does a excellent version of the stars that is very accurate. I assume you are referring to Astrology? If so, have you read the latest from Billy regarding Astrology and why he says it is NOT reliable?
Billy Meier: Regarding Terrestrial Astrology
http://theyflyblog.com/billy-meier-terrestrial-astrology/08/11/2014 |
Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 896
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 01:18 am: |
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When it comes to the fringe sciences , pseudo -sciences , people get the idea that anything goes in this forum , which distracts from actual learning of the material that we're focusing on .
I know that people get enthused when they find a group like this that accepts ideas that vary from center-field accepted science , technology and spirituality . Just try to be fair to the grounding nature of what we're doing here and not make it into a "I want this to be about witches brooms and teabags !! discussion group ".
We took a lot of hell from visitors years ago when theories were being thrown in from all angles , and how unfair we were , since this seemed to be a fun weird-science fair format . Anything but . We understand that Billy's information is grounded in ET science and intellect , so we can consider this to be "future-science" since what is learned here will likely surface one day .
However the arguing and cross examining also has a burden of proof style which either passes the acid test or remains to been seen .
So , if you can explain how and why the pendulum works and make it into a credible provable science , do that . Don't become petulant if it's passed on in terms of interest .
Thanks for reading at least the first four words of this post .
MC |
Vincent
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Post Number: 127
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 07:58 pm: |
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Markcampbell,
I read all your post!
May I ask why you always leave a space before all your comers and full stops? Originality, bad habit, ect? |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 632
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 05:11 pm: |
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Hi Mark, I do know that the muscle stress test works if one is able to listen to their body. It's part of kinesiology which apparently out of all of north america, is only an approved science in Ontario, but I do notice that it's being practised by most physiotherapists around here so obviously it must work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinesiology
People can do the muscle stress test themselves by standing up straight and holding the food or supplement against their tummy and ask yourself if your body wants/needs this. If you lean forward, the answer is yes. If you lean backwards the answer is no. I find most people are unable to do this as they are unable/not interested in listening to their body.
Since we know that agate and crystal are vibrational carriers of thoughts and feelings, it's not much of a stretch to think they can also be moved by those.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Ramirez
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Post Number: 1039
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2014 - 01:01 pm: |
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Hi Mark,
"So , if you can explain how and why the pendulum works and make it into a credible provable science , do that ."
For my part .... i cant explain what i witnessed, took part in nor how it works according to any known to earth persons laws of physics.
As with some other things i'm just an observer and recorder (photography) though for one occasion was a participant which is the extent of it.
All i can say is there appears to be some sort of tangible force causing the pendulum to move and no i wouldn't visit a fortune teller or take their claims seriously unless they have an established record of various things they proclaimed could be tested somehow with real world information or verified by future events (like herr Meier as Michael often points out) plus i'm suspicious of those claiming that reading tealeaves, tarot cards, the entrails of chickens and so forth delivers accurate predictive information.
However i think the use of hands hovering a few inches over bodies (Reiki and similar) to be a reliable method of pseudo mumbo jumbo with which to determine energy status or imbalances than a pendulum but then ...... maybe it's a prop to reassure persons there's some sort of beneficial assisting external force in play ..... or maybe it's something else ......
As for medical science ......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II96QkZaz1E
Cheers.
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Darren
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Post Number: 448
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2014 - 08:09 pm: |
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I do not know much, if anything, about predicting the future with crystal pendulums. But this pendulum thing is dependent/influenced by the thoughts of the person asking the question about the future. And if this pendulum thing is to be a reliable true science then that would mean that if 5,000 people individually asked their pendulum the same question about the future, they would all have to get the same response for it to be a true science. Is this correct or am I missing something here? |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 899
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2014 - 10:10 pm: |
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I was trying to read the entrails of a chicken but got distracted by the leg and thigh .
Vincent , The reason why I "always leave a space before all your comers and full stops" is partially because I have no idea what you mean by that . I do not speak or read office jargon .Is this traffic school ?
Myself , I don't refute these pseudo sciences .To someone else , what is taught here by the Billy Meier FIGU is refutable , unbelievable , etc.
What I meant to say by my previous post is that the moderatorship is rightfully concerned that we post about those sciences that have relevance to the teaching ( but , hey you know what , there's no way , is there ?) I'm not a moderator , but maybe if you considered for a moment that these persons have dedicated some of their free time away from work and home duties , to serve all of us here . The least we can do is not to rebel against the indications . Make an effort , can we ? It's not all that worrisome , but a little focus and aim goes along way .
Ramirez , is there any reference to pendulum swinging in the teaching? Swinging waves , perhaps ? Are they relevant ? How do they correlate ?
Salu. |
Andrew_hua
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 12-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2014 - 07:46 am: |
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Based on my understanding of the current scientific knowledge of electromagnetism, I would say that what is causing a reaction in a crystal pendulum is a fine-electromagnetic force that is carried by the formal lattice structural arrangement of the constituent atoms. This process can be compared to conduction of electricity in metals or the high transmittance of light - which is a form of electromagnetism - through a diamond lattice.
I eagerly await the discoveries of finer energies to be made in East Asia. It will be through science, ironically, that validation of Meier's information which scientists would label "airy fairy" will come. |
Andrew_hua
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 12-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2014 - 11:38 pm: |
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I should also add as a comparison or similar process the transmittance of electromagnetic forces or vibrations that are emanating from an individual during the peace meditation through the copper meditation pyramid.
How reliable and clear an answer can be from a swinging pendulum is questionable however. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 880
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2014 - 09:30 am: |
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> These theories are still bypassing the grosser influences of the person's conscious/subconscious causing the physical effects through micro-movements, as conducted from their consciousness down through their arm, etc. |
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