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    Ramirez Member Post Number: 1053 Registered: 06-2008 |
"The main reason for the towers to crash down was the extreme heat that let the metal structure melt. As far as Billy knows the explosives on the plane were in liquid form, but he does not know how the explosives were brought on the planes." Really ...... Aviation fuel (kerosene) burns at 700 degrees ..... far less than that required to melt steel. Furthermore the WTC buildings were made primarily from reinforced concrete, steel and walls lined with asbestos which is a fire retardant so where did all the heat come from ? I think Billy Meier is in the unenvious position of knowing the truth however it's too dangerous to reveal publicly. Cheers. | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 468 Registered: 07-2009 |
Ramirez, It appears Billy was not talking about jet fuel that brought the towers down but a "liquid explosive" whatever that was. "The main reason for the towers to crash down was the extreme heat that let the metal structure melt. As far as Billy knows the explosives on the plane were in liquid form, but he does not know how the explosives were brought on the planes." But who knows if there were other explosives or something that were also planted in the buildings to help make SURE they came down? I don't know. btw, if steel is heated to 700 degrees it will not melt but it will lose a considerable amount of it's structure strength. It softens a little. I know this first hand because when I want to loosen a stuck car bolt or bend some piece of steel. I simply quickly heat it with the oxy torch and job done. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1234 Registered: 07-2005 |
Corey the holographic technology from the black budget special access programs are sophisticated enough to fool a vast majority of people into thinking that the ufos that merge together and then shoot off into separate multi ufos that Ptaah mentioned is of ET origin uses such technology. But in regards to 911 the gaping hole in the form of a plane on twin towers definitely gives it away that indeed planes of some kind did crash into it. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1235 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hey Ramirez remember the article regarding the arch crookedness of all our prophets including Billy? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1236 Registered: 07-2005 |
Joe you only have to ask yourself what exactly is Ptaah referring to there and that is not easy to figure out. As we the Meier students know so well Billy and the Plejaren always keeps us off guard with surprises after more unexpected oblique and 180 degree angle surprises so much so that on occasion we can accept their information at face value but at other times its all a test that runs rings around out intelligence or lack thereof leaving more question than it was suppose to answer. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1237 Registered: 07-2005 |
Well investigated Darren Obviously there is more to it but what you said sounds closer to the mark. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2485 Registered: 12-1999 |
Newinitiation, I think this is the article you may be referencing when using the term "arch crookedness" http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Those_Who_Lie_About_Contacts Regards Scott | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 1054 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Darren, "Ramirez, It appears Billy was not talking about jet fuel that brought the towers down but a "liquid explosive" whatever that was. "The main reason for the towers to crash down was the extreme heat that let the metal structure melt. As far as Billy knows the explosives on the plane were in liquid form, but he does not know how the explosives were brought on the planes." But who knows if there were other explosives or something that were also planted in the buildings to help make SURE they came down? I don't know." If the aircraft involved were normal commercial airliners diverted in the air by hijackers then how is it possible for there to have been large amounts of some sort of high temperature burning liquid or other substance to be inside them ? Think about it ..... how could that be anything but an inside job where at some stage the mystery fuel or substance was placed aboard the aircraft before they took off ..... accomplices of Mohammed Atta clandestinely busy at work at some airport .... and wouldn't the luggage handling crews have noticed that ..... There is no other place to store liquids on commercial except the luggage or passenger areas planes and unless it's regular aviation fuel in the tanks the engines wont start. If there was some sort of high temperature burning liquid or solid like maybe solid rocket propellant as used in missiles and what lifts off the space shuttle boosters planted in the buildings ..... yes that's possible but ..... the company in charge of WTC security was Israeli owned ..... do you imagine a Jewish owned company allowing a bunch of Mohammed Atta's accomplices to infiltrate the WTC buildings to plant probably large amounts of some sort of explosives in precisely the exact locations matching the video films impact areas (as shown on TV that night) ..... all the while being certain that their amateur who couldn't handle a Cessna properly hijacker buddies would immaculately crash the planes into that precise position in the buildings ..... that has to be the most deft and skillful display of competence on both the planters of the flammables plus airliner pilots to have both match up ..... would you agree ..... Cheers. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 1055 Registered: 06-2008 |
Plane hits building in New York ..... yes there is a precedent though this time with a real plane ..... watch this 1945 news footage and compare. Real wreckage falling to the street, real gasoline fires and ..... the building doesn't come down an hour later. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzCygjiLMfw Cheers. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 871 Registered: 05-2008 |
To those who think there were no planes, therefore no dead plane passengers on those alleged 4 planes involved on 9/11/2001; feel free to get the alleged passenger lists and get in contact with some of the alleged families of the alleged dead plane passengers. Then get back to us with your research. http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 469 Registered: 07-2009 |
Billy didn't say who brought the liquid explosives onto the planes but I think he may be alluding to the terrorists. I don't know but if so I think it's possible that the terrorists were solely responsible for bringing the twin towers down. But I also think there were backup explosives planted in the towers (by the US) just in case they didn't come down. The video footage of the blown lobby before the towers came down is a clue that suggests there were other explosives in the buildings. Whether or not they were used above the lobby to bring the buildings down later I do not know. Maybe they used them and maybe they didn't have to in the end. The towers could have collapsed solely because of the terrorists. Maybe this is why Ptaah said what he said about all the silly conspiracy theories surrounding the attacks. Maybe he was only talking about the twin towers because that is what 9/11 was mainly about. I don't know. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 899 Registered: 07-2009 |
> I think there's a major difference between the materials used on the Empire State Building and those on the Twin Towers. As I recall, the ESB has a lot of very thick stone or masonry, which I don't think the TT had at all. And the kinds and sizes of the planes was also very different, etc. | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 470 Registered: 07-2009 |
Bruce, I'm not sure if your comments are also directed to me but I never suggested there was not 4 hijacked planes. I said "But the planes that supposedly hit the Pentagon and the one that landed in the field, I'm convinced there were no planes there." I agree with you that those 2 planes were indeed hijacked and the (dead) passenger lists were true. I don't know what happened to those two hijacked planes. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 04-2013 |
Ramirez, You’re comparing apples to oranges; The B-26, fully loaded has 1,462 gallons of gasoline on board. You do not know how much fuel was on that B-26. The B-767 that hit the twin towers, fully loaded has 23,980 gallons of Jet A/A-1 fuel which is a Kerosene base; it was fully loaded with fuel and burns hotter than gasoline. There is also a major difference in the construction materials of the Empire State Building compared to the Twin Towers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=632026 | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2486 Registered: 12-1999 |
Could we please get back to the Topic heading, Thanks | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 09-2002 |
I don’t know whats going on but after reading some of the comments in this thread over the last few days, I’m starting to think there are several people here who spend their time on Prisonplanet.com or Rense.com. Lots of conspiracy stuff being said as truths and I’m sure its because there have been several new people joining this forum over the last few years. I don’t post here much, i’m more of a sit back and read kinda guy but I had to state my opinion on this. As for me, I could care less about who or what caused 9/11, the day it happened I was not surprised one bit. Its in the past and we will never be told the absolute truth in this lifetime so I don’t waste my time with these things. I’d rather focus on the solution to the worlds problems than rehash he said she said babble from around the internet. Of course thats just me. Mark Gilbo | ||
Hendrikus1970 Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 04-2009 |
this is whats going on http://rt.com/news/189220-russian-planes-alaska-canada/ We al can see that the plan continues as been explained by Mr Meier. If its not this year then it wil be the next.It wont take long if you understand whats going on right now . Rest in Peace as they say | ||
Andyv24 Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 08-2010 |
MH just posted a very informative piece here http://theyflyblog.com/2014/09/21/effect-they-hate-us/ The links provided on the blog are frightening (in that they are a little too familiar sounding, if you know what I mean). WWIII and the fulfillment of the Henoch prophecies appear ever the more a forgone conclusion. What can be done? Really? Is there anything a bunch of lowlings can do to derail the prophecies' fulfillment? | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 456 Registered: 09-2011 |
Andy asked a valid question ; What can be done? What can we do? What can be done to avert social and environmental catastrophe of horrific magnitude? What can be done to avert nuclear war? The hour is late, and the players intent upon their various schemes and strategies. As ever, would they decide to give up their intentions, to just listen to reason for abit... but can they listen to reason? Idunno. Some can. Some won't. Most just get led around by other people and the media. So let's making a ToDo list, which is first n foremost what needs to be done, and then can be whittled down to what we can do. We can: 1. In very graphic detail, remind people of stupidity of self-destruction through atomic weapons - perhaps by inviting political leaders to tour some of the atomic wastelands we already have on Earth, and emphasizing the long term impacts and difficulties in recovery. Perhaps we can design and market a free open source MMP video game about Global Thermonuclear Warfare Recovery, or something like that, inviting game designers the world over to work on this project in their spare time, so that everyone who plays can see just how destructive this turn of events is, and if recovery is even possible. 2. The various political leaders and political movements that are prone to fighting should focus on things that they can agree upon (standard mediation techniques apply here), unless they just want to fight. If they just want to fight, and use all of us as pawns in their own games, then let's isolate them somehow, if not in reality then in parody, isolate them to where they can fight, fight, fight without involving anyone else or using the world as their chessboard. Perhaps we can isolate them on a deserted island somewhere where they can either duke it out till they die, or get along and build the things they need to live. Perhaps we can design and sell a simple board game titled Global Thermonuclear War, or something like that, and market it to children (and their parents) ages five n up, so that everyone can understand how easy it is to play this game. Maybe we could even videotape the fighting leaders playing the game, and broadcast that to their constituency. If not in reality, then in parody, in jest. 3. The concept of 'compromise' has been so massaged these past decades that no one trusts it anymore - and with good reason. The only compromise we can trust should be approached by truly outside, disinterested third parties. Of course, the reasons relatively intelligent people would lead the world into World War need to be teased out so that compromise can be attempted, but what third party is disinterested in the outcome? How about this... our leaders can all sign a pact to let loose their sleeping dogs of war, firing their nuclear warhead tipped missiles, and just blow the planet up if adequate compromises cannot be reached. Since the disinterested third party in effect becomes the threat of self-annihilation, somehow, I think we would find a way to compromise. Then, we could televise the meetings between our word leaders, and even organize community campfires, with hotdogs n marshmallows, and television sets where everyone can sit around and wave our State flags. That way we can all watch together to see if insanity really reigns supreme on this planet, if today is the last day Earth exists, and if fireworks are the last thing we will ever see. You think my ideas are crazy? No, living under the constant threat of nuclear war institutionally justified by abunch of psychopath's jostling for power and greed, that's what's crazy. What can be done to prepare for war? We can build a community, one that can better coordinate the efforts of many disparate people around the world. This community would have to allow for many leaders in their own right to spring up, and because of that allowance, we would have to establish a set of agreements which everyone would have to follow in order for us all to get along. A constitution of sorts would have to be established at the outset - something really, really simple like "We all agree to work to avert war, and should a war occur, we all agree to help each other survive, thrive, and rebuild the world." Nothin about aliens or angels or anything that some people can't handle, just that. Closer to home, if we can ever get over ourselves, if ever we get a FIGU associated community to exist, I have a whole host of economic/community development ideas for people to pick through, choosing what they wanna work on, about how to support the community, to make it go. The first thing is getting a FIGU-associated bank together so that we can get our finances working for us. Lots of ideas, a notebook full of them, waiting, waiting, waiting to be used. Life | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 457 Registered: 09-2011 |
Andy asked a valid question: What can be done? What can we do? What can be done to avert social and environmental catastrophe of horrific magnitude? What can we do to avert nuclear war? The hour is late, and the players intent upon their various schemes and strategies. As ever, would they decide to give up their intentions, to just listen to reason for abit... but can they listen to reason? Idunno. Some can. Some won't. Most just get led around by other people and the media. So let's start to address this conundrum by making a ToDo list, which is first n foremost what needs to be done, which we can then whittle down to what we can do. What needs to be done, and what we can do: 1. In very graphic detail, people need to understand how horrible is nuclear war. We can remind people of the stupidity of self-destruction through atomic weapons - perhaps by inviting political leaders to tour some of the atomic wastelands we already have on Earth and emphasizing the long term impacts and difficulties in recovery. We can highlight the already grudgingly acknowledged horrors of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima nuclear disasters for all to see, instead of minimizing or hiding them completely from people’s attention. Perhaps we can design and market a free open source MMP video game about Apocalypse Then: Rebuilding from Nuclear Destruction, or something like that, inviting game designers the world over to work on this project in their spare time, so that everyone who plays can see just how destructive this turn of events is, and if recovery is even possible. Awards could even be handed out for the best played games. 2. The various political leaders and political movements that are prone to fighting need to focus on things that they can agree upon (standard mediation techniques apply here), unless they just want to fight. If they all find a way to work together for the good of the planet, then we mere mushrooms can focus our concerns and efforts on bringing about a daily brightening future. If they just want to fight, and use all of us as pawns in their own games, then we can isolate them somehow, if not in reality then in parody, isolate them to where they can fight, fight, fight to their heart’s content, without involving anyone else or using the world as their chessboard. Perhaps we can isolate them on a deserted island somewhere where they can either duke it out till they die, or get along and build the things they need to live. Perhaps we can design and sell toy ballistic missiles for babies and/or a simple board game entitled Global Warfare for Fun and Profit, or something like that. We would market the board game to children (and their parents) ages five n up, so that everyone can understand how easy it is to play this game, and then we can take video footage of our fighting leaders playing the GWFP game and broadcast that to the constituency, so that people can see how their leaders represent their interests. If not in reality, then in parody, in jest. 3. The concept of 'compromise' has been so massaged by slick diplomats these past decades that no one trusts it anymore - and with good reason. The only compromise we trust should be approached by truly outside, disinterested third parties. Of course, the reasons relatively intelligent people would lead the world into World War need to be teased out so that compromise can be attempted, but what third party is disinterested in the outcome? How about this… we can ask our leaders to all sign a pact to let loose their sleeping dogs of war, Mutually Assured Global Destruction, firing their nuclear warhead tipped missiles, and just blow the planet up if adequate compromises cannot be reached. Since the disinterested third party in effect becomes the threat of self-annihilation, somehow, I think we would find a way to compromise. On the other hand, maybe they wouldn’t. We can televise the meetings between all the world leaders of nations and industries, and even organize community campfires, with hotdogs n marshmallows, and television sets where everyone can sit around, pass around favorite State flags, and argue about compromise. Yay, GO Team! That way we can all wave our flags and watch together to see if insanity really reigns supreme on this planet, if today is the last day Earth exists, and if fireworks are the last thing we will ever see. Do you think my ideas are crazy? I think that living under the constant threat of nuclear war institutionally justified by a bunch of psychopath's jostling for power and greed, that's what's crazy. We put those people in power, we did, and we need to find a way to not do that. What can be done to prepare for war? People the world over need to work together to deal these issues and and the problems they exacerbate. We can establish the framework upon which a global community can be built, one that can better coordinate the efforts of the many disparate groups of people around the world. This community would have to allow for many leaders in their own right to spring up, and because of that allowance, we would have to establish a set of agreements which everyone who participated would have to follow in order for us all to get along. A constitution of sorts would have to be established at the outset - something really, really simple like "We all agree to work to avert war, and should a war occur, we all agree to help each other survive, thrive, and rebuild the world." Nothin about aliens or angels or anything that some people can't handle, just that. Closer to home, if we can ever get over ourselves, if ever we get a FIGU-associated community to exist, I have a whole host of economic/community development ideas for people to pick through, choosing what they wanna work on, about how to support the community, to make it go. The first thing is getting a FIGU-associated bank together so that we can get our finances working for us. Lots of ideas, files and scribbled notebooks full of them, waiting, waiting, waiting to be used. Life | ||
Str0323 Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 02-2012 |
Hello to my fellow human beings that are in search of the Truth. I feel like venting today, I'm not a Rhodes scholar or a so called er,uh,um, intellectual. I've done a lot of dumbass things in my life. And truly it's by sheer dumb luck that I'm not dead or in jail. I live in the USA and there has to be millions of human beings in this country that are more intelligent more moral more evolved and with higher values than I. Where are they? In America we have the war on drugs, the war on homeless, the war on hunger, the war on poverty, and the war on terrorism. Since the war on poverty begun the government has spent 22TRILLION dollars trying to solve it. If we have a population of roughly 350 million how much is that for every man, woman and child? Half the population lives below the poverty line. Over 100 million people receive some form of welfare. We used to have a war department now it's called the..."defence department". The only thing they defend is the secrecy of their new weapons that are only designed to kill human beings. Have they ever built anything solely for the defence of human beings. They should once again take on the name of the War Department. However, that comes to close to the truth and that's why it was charged,Newspeak. If I say the word "conspiracy" what's the next word that comes into your mind? If you said "theory" that's an example of consciousness enslavement. Now my country is bombing targets in Syria. It's for the good of the women and children don't you know. Russia is opening up bases in the arctic. Ebola is spreading. Russian planes fly near Canadian and American air space and they have 100 thousand troops practicing war maneuvers The Henoch Prophecies are coming to fruition it seems. I told someone about the prophecies and they told me anyone could guess those things. Truly, to find a human being who recognizes reality and its truth is a rarity in these times. As for me, I will survive and I will help every human being that I'm able to. Even if they don't recognize the truth. Please send loving thoughts my way. Thank You. Salome, Scott Reed. | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 06-2013 |
The state of where the world is heading is worrying. Would it help avert World War 3 if Billy releases a Special Bulletin warning the world that we are heading towards it? | ||
Andrew_hua Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 12-2013 |
We must seize the day and take reign of our lives. Nothing is achieved by wallowing in misery and helplessness. Sure, there is the consistent reminder from the media about war and disputes, extreme weather and environmental havoc, and poverty and disease; yet here we are - capable human beings. And though the ubiquitous news of our planet is one of such deplorable, dreadful, and horrifying things, is that really what we want to inspire? Why carry the darkness of the times when one can be a shining example of true humanness? Why clothe yourselves with the poverty of others when you can shine as a beacon for the Truth? |
