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    Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1296 Registered: 07-2005 |
I was exposed to Kay Griggs back in 2006 from gaiaguys website and have seen all her interviews and I was not at all surprised by all the goings on behind the scene by that time. Yet it is my feeling that as knowledgeable as she was there was more to it beyond her knowledge about this secret group than what she knew. Her ex husband wasn't exactly David Rockefeller, Morgan, Sachs or Rothschild if you get my drift. A group within a group that plays off against each other. Isn't that an interesting statement by Billy. Let's start with David Rockefeller as an example. Here you've got the last remaining son of John D Rockefeller a patriarch of the infamous family having created a vast network of organisations infested with the war mongering likes of Dick Cheney, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, Richard Soros and so on hiding in plain sight as the master of the universe whilst over the atlantic you've got the Rothschild clan making up the other faction persuing their own worldwide conspiracy to rule the world through banking, finance, energy, technology, academia, secret service and politics. Who said it was all just a looney conspiracy theory within a conspiracy theory that these people were not involved when so much evidence is out there indicating that these individuals have planned, coordinated, executed and realised the plan of Lucifer the arch duke of Satanic Giza Intelligence and Bafath cult. Yes I believe that members of the elite prominent families of the world were among the 700 odd leaders that Billy mentions as having been influenced by the Giza Intelligences and the Bafath. There is no other explanation worthy of consideration at how much money thus power these small group of people were able to amass running in the trillions without the help of divine intervention namely ET intervention. Can you? | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 378 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings everyone, So I was just going over some notes and things and found something of interest. So if I'm correct and according to Nostradamus, in the year of 2015 when the planets of Mercury and Mars both enter into Aquarius together or maybe even one following after the other, and if the countries of the world fail in their collaboration to take out the ISIS Crisis, then at the appointed astrological time, that is when, as they say, "the time when the fat lady begins to sing". And it's not just about ISIS, its also about mounting tensions between Russia and the USA. Two countries which were suppose to be friends at the end of the cold war, which makes me wonder now, was communism really the issue back then? Probably not. Now as strange as it sounds, it would seem as though ISIS actually has a purpose in the over all evolution of the planet as would also be the threatening situation involving the Apophis asteroid and that is, both were to serve as threatening objects to bring about collaborating efforts to bring peace between the countries of the east and west, along with the end of religion with humanities first steps of reason. If however the Henoch prophecies do come true, then following an Armageddon type of war, then the ISIS group will prevail with it's leaders rain of terror for 27 more years, which would then eventually collapse, making way for a first time 1000 years of peace at around the year 2045. So even-though there would be a dark age of Islam all over the the Earth, eventually by the year 2036 that's when the big Apophis asteroid comes crashing down in Eastern Europe to kill off thousands more, which will probably begin the final fall of Islam, then by 2014 and sometime onward, it's probably when we still see the hope of the world emerge from Russia, etc. | ||
Str0323 Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 02-2012 |
Hello everyone. I think the secret society is the Jesuits. Any comments? Thanks, Salome, Scott Reed. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 379 Registered: 03-2003 |
Just a slight error correction in my previous post which I somehow missed in the last part of the last line which should read, ", then by 2045 and sometime onward, it's probably when we still see the hope of the world emerge from Russia, etc. | ||
Watchdog New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2014 |
Scott Reed. I believe your partial correct. I feel that it isn't just one group. Im sure there is a pecking order of power. Who's at the top ? I don't know but Im pretty sure its not one group. Peace to you and your journey of truth. watchdog. Toledo | ||
Blake_p Member Post Number: 279 Registered: 07-2012 |
Scott R, The Buildiberger Group, (sp?) All of the most powerful leaders in the world meet in secret each year to decide whatever they want,I assume. These people are far more influential than any religious group. This is the dark order. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 899 Registered: 05-2008 |
I think Blake_p has to be correct as the Bilderberg Group & its annual meetings also includes the CFR & the Trilateral Commission, financial elites from both sides of the Atlantic, among other power brokers. http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-true-story-of-the-bilderberg-group-and-what-they-may-be-planning-now/13808 "Always well represented are top figures from the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), IMF, World Bank, Trilateral Commission, EU, and powerful central bankers from the Federal Reserve, the ECB’s Jean-Claude Trichet, and Bank of England’s Mervyn King." http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 496 Registered: 09-2011 |
Why (unmentionable)? Why not Jesuits or Knights Templar, the Bilderbergers or Trilateral Commission, the Nazi's or CIA, or (etc.)? What are we talking about here? We’re talking about an insular group of people who are capable of either overtly or covertly steering the development of the world’s governing policies, decisions-making, culture, and economic development consistently to their own advantage. By definition, this describes only the (unmentionable). In attempting to understand the puppet-masters of our entire situation, if you are looking for something that is so secret that it can’t be seen, so exotic, so far away that it can’t be touched or understood, then you’re looking for the wrong thing. If you are looking for a conspiracy of psychopathic, arch-evil, super-villains, then you are looking to fulfill animated fantasies. Wake up from the childhood caricature and smell reality. This is a tangible conspiracy, graspable, personal for us all. It’s visible, it’s the 10,000 pound bright pink-and-purple polka-dot elephant in the board room, in plain sight, though it’s so taboo that most people are blind to it. And many its the best adherents religiously believe they are progressing the world in a good way. They are religiously moral people. This is not happening from a thousand miles away, it’s right here. Turn on the television and watch the parade, although you may need to be initiated to catch all the subtle cues. Was PNAC written by Jesuits or the Bilderbergers? Are the Neocons Jesuits or Bilderbergers? Are they members of the Knight's Templar or Trilateral Commission? Is Hollywood run by Jesus-loving, blonde-haired, blue-eyed Western Europeans? The largest media conglomerates, our news industry, are they run by the CIA or the Nazi's? Be honest now, who is it that owns the world’s mainstream media industries? Do tell. Do the highest orders of Freemasonry swear fealty to Opus Dei? Do they swear fealty to the MI5/6? What do all the world’s successful financiers have in common? Their racial affiliation isn't just a coincidence because they're (unmentionable), instead, just like most of the rest of us, it’s the primary factor. On and On and On it goes. So many of the most influential industries of Western Civilization have come to be either owned, managed, or influenced by (unmentionable), in the name of ‘diversity' of course, that ours has been called "the (unmentionable) Century” (only in (unmentionable) circles). The decision to murder a million people in Iraq, go ahead and tell me that had nothing to do with (unmentionable). The lambasting of Iran, the war with Afghanistan and Libya and Syria and etc., tell me that had nothing to do with (unmentionable). Even the anger of ISIS against “the West”, go ahead and tell me that had nothing to do with (unmentionable). Of course it did. It’s got everything to do with (unmentionable). Protection of (unmentionable) and (unmentionable) interest is the central defining tenet of the West’s foreign policy. We in the West now live to serve the (unmentionable). If they want us to bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran, there’s a pretty good chance we laugh about it while we do. If they want us to stage a coup in the Ukraine, installing (unmentionable) as the new leadership, we do it. Hell, we will go toe-to-toe with the Ruskies if the (unmentionable) tell us to do so on the evening news. And guess what? That’s just what we are doing. It’s astounding to me that Western Civilization has been so incredibly gullible. And when we start to wake up, they play the racism card. Racism over and over and over and over and over and over, racism this and racism that, again and again and again and again and again, playing the races off against each other, egging us on to fight each other rather than look to see who is manipulating the conflicts. Their’s is the true racism, (unmentionable) first, and other races as dupes to played. When (unmentionable) boast to themselves of having an intelligence system that is second to none, you can take them at their word on this: it’s very possible that they know exactly what they are talking about. When they say they don’t forgive and they never forget, you can believe them. The Pope doesn’t say this. Buddha? Nope. When (unmentionable) literally say that they will have their vengeance upon the the white race through a confusing, duplicitous morality, and coerced racial integration, how else am we supposed to understand this? I see it as the racist (unmentionable) that are the world’s most conniving group of people that has ever lived. Occam’s Razor works. Go ahead, explain to me the convoluted justifications I am supposed to use to make sense of our world’s consistently insane actions, that ones that ever take the blame off of the poor, innocent, victimized (unmentionable). Explain to me how else I am supposed to make sense of the obvious. I’m listening. When I started trying to figure out why our world works the way it does, I didn’t set out looking for the (unmentionable) answer. Instead, they found me. I suspect I was simply in the way when they destroyed my career, no other reason. After that, I had nothing left to lose. And my story is hardly unique. David Duke, Kay Griggs, Cynthia McKinney, Ted Gunderson, Mel Gibson, Ernst Zundel, Richard Nixon, Norman Finkelstein, Michael Jackson, Jim Traficant, Gilad Atzmon, and those are just a bare few recognizable names. Many of our ‘retired’ government workers, military brass, intel agents, and politicians who have been forced out of office (or sent to prison…), didn’t show the right tendencies. Maybe they even figured out a wee bit too much for their own good. Many academics have lost their ‘peer' respect, lost even their 'guaranteed' tenure, for just inadvertently asking the wrong questions. Many of the performers laughed out of the limelight have let slip the wrong comment about who runs Hollywood or America's music industry. The wrong financiers who have somehow made it beyond an arbitrary threshold have invested, using a bad tip, at just the wrong time. And the list goes on. Many of us have had our careers ruined by (unmentionable). Careers ruined by (unmentionable), laugh about it, go ahead, say “Cudo’s on the Jews to win their influence and prestige by the sweat of their brows”, but the truth is something that just plain makes more sense, and it’s not a small thing. (unmentionable) promote (unmentionable). Start to learn too much, and if you aren’t in agreement with the history-rewriting, racial-mixing, culture-destroying, homosexuality-promoting, man-shaming, borderless (unmentionable)-first agenda, then you're finished, ruined, outa there. Oh, and to point this out is so, so, so, so, so taboo, even though every single word of what I have written is 100% easily verifiably true, that you can’t even read about it solely for yourself without cringing and looking around to see if anyone is watching you. Welcome to the freedom of our modern (formerly) Western Civilization. Voltaire's wise cynicism is aptly applied to this day. "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." All of this doesn’t mean that there aren’t other players attempting to influence and steer to course of Earthly history, and some of them exhibit truly horrible behaviors, from MKultra, to the entire ISIS mess that will likely lead to a new Western-society-quashing Islamic world power, from the genocidal migration of white people back into America officially starting 500 years ago, to the continued promotion of overpopulation by the Catholic Church. Yes, these are also factors driving the development of our insane world. However, this conversation was about who is the power behind the throne. That’s (unmentionable), unquestionably, undeniably, unabashedly, (unmentionable). If you are looking for some secret group far away, then you’re looking for the wrong thing. The truth is hidden in plain sight. Perhaps what (unmentionable) are doing is right, after all. Perhaps the world’s societies should all be averaged and mixed. Perhaps this is even the only way that species of humans all over the universe can agree to peacefully get along. That’s certainly what (unmentionable) think. Perhaps all the unique cultures of the world, from the most barbaric to the most civilized, should be overrun, overwritten with the New World Culture, and likewise all of our histories should be rewritten to be politically correct. This is, after all, what so many people would prefer to hear. The wisdom of the mob, perhaps it knows best. Perhaps the kinder, less aggressive races of the world should be out-bred, resulting in a single sharper, meaner, more competitive breed of Earthling just a few generations down the line. Perhaps this is what’s most fair. Perhaps this is what’s best simply because this is what’s actually happening in the West. Our society is not sacred to the (unmentionable), rather it’s their playground… but perhaps that’s as it should be. The Plejaren certainly don’t seem to care who runs the world, as long as they as they are good hearted. Perhaps we should all be Jewish. Life | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1297 Registered: 07-2005 |
Maybe there was a good reason why the GIs influenced Hitler to exterminate the Jews and why Hitler was repulsed by these so called scums of the earth who keep stirring up trouble everywhere they go. The Mein Kampf tells it all. Churchill once said of Hitler 'we killed the wrong bastard' Maybe it was precisely the cosy relationship Stalin had with the Jewish Zionist that he was poisoned to death. All this is water under the bridge and Semjase's explosive statement about the Habraons/Jews/Israelies/Zionist being the scums is also several decades removed from the present. Now it appears from the outset that the Jews have disproportionate influence on politics, business, finance, banking, entertainment, music, media and multitude of other industries relative to the percentage of the world's population but just as it is the case that Billy contradicts this myth I also hold the view that the Jews/Zionists have great influence but not greater than any other in totality. This view makes logical sense for how else could you explain the rise and rise of Chinese economic miracle and Putin the Christian. Remember Jews are easy scapegoat for everyone to blame on for their own failings. Michael Horn is also Jewish If the Jews are suppose to all be scums then it defies logic and common sense that of all people of this earth now it happens to be the little Jewish man who is the most ardent supporter and consciousness revolutionary outside of FIGU inner circle. How come? Well it means most of us don't even understand the real Jewish history, culture, heritage, characteristics, unique dispositions, the Jewish question and the Jewish people themselves because we have failed to understand human nature and that of ourselves. I think instead of blaming a group of peoples we should start looking at the greater missing picture, that is, since everyone is in on it, I mean, life on earth, for the price of being born whether we know it or not we are all responsible one way or the other therefore just for the sake of the argument that all the world's woes are created by the Jews then it is the rest of humanity's fault for not reigning in these people by being complacent or not being our 'brother's keeper'. Its so easy to blame but not so easy to extend a helping hand of understanding. I think our problem we face on earth is not a racial or ethnic one but one geared in consciousness, thoughts, feelings, ideas and spiritual or lack thereof. Matt lee | ||
Str0323 Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 02-2012 |
Hello everyone. Thanks for the replies to my post (25). I do understand what the Bilderberg Group is about. However I think that certain high ranking religious leaders of different faiths are included therein. It's discussed in the contact notes how some popes didn't believe in god or the religious doctrines. I had a hard time understanding this. How can a human being put on this grand facade? Knowingly misleading millions of human beings. Looking at them in their eyes and telling them to have faith while sipping wine from a 24k gold goblet. I guess it's about power. Standing over the dogishly salivating submissive masses. Telling them to fear a god that they don't believe in. Insisting that they tithe to help less fortunate believers. How much money have the religions acquired by frightening human beings of death? Probably trillions in today's money. If I can make you afraid of death and have you give me part of your wealth, while promising you salvation, then I have absolute power over you. These are some of the reasons why I think that religious leaders have some influence at the Bilderberg Group's meetings. It doesn't matter if they're Catholic, Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Jesuits, Jews, etc. They're there because they have mastered the ability to control the human beings. They laughingly mock the followers of their respective faith. Thus the political, business, and sociological leaders, look at them as a near perfect example as how to control the human beings of earth. Even in the most despotic ruled societies on earth, there you will find god believers. The secret society, government, or what ever one wants to call it, can not disregard (not yet anyway) the religious influence that gets the human being of earth to think and act in a desired wise. Truthfully, it doesn't matter if all of us on this forum knew with 100% certainty who or what the secret society is. Because even if we had ABSOLUTE proof the religious and non religious human beings of earth would call us conspiracy theorists. Why? Their opinions are generated from the religious, political, sociological, and whichever other so called leaders they look up to. Sadly they create their own demise from the evil rhetoric that's been fed to them. So in my opinion, without a religious foundation stone, the secret society, Bilderberg Group, or whatever it may be, could not garner the strength they have to rule the world. I anticipate comments and any insight that will help me in my understanding. With respect and love for all, Salome, Scott Reed. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 900 Registered: 05-2008 |
Dear Mr. Michaelhelfert, Since you cannot help yourself in your zeal to share your conspiratorial homophobic, white supremacist, Jew-obsessive/paranoia/blaming research at any and all opportunities with various iterations of the same thinking for years and years on end, I will only copy what Billy and the Plejaren had to say about such things, not that it will change your thoughts and feelings in the slightest, since you've been referred to them before and you still continue down your obsessive road with the Jews or as you refer to them in such an oh-so cute and clever way "unmentionables", whom according to you, Hitler, the writers of "the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" and many many others are to blame solely and exclusively for nearly all that ails the world, not to mention ruining your career which apparently such a stumbling block was unable to be overcome. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_028#The_.22Protocols_of_the_Learned_Elders_of_Zion.22 "The slanderous work is still in circulation today and further causes further racial damage, whereby it is asserted that the Jews had created a secret world government and hoarded all the gold; this, and that the Jewish people are to blame for wars and political as well as commercial crises, and so forth. Such defamatory assertions exist in many kinds of variations, which naturally represent a godsend for anti-Semitic/Nazi circles and other extreme-right racist circles. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Special_Bulletin_035#Concerning_Chemtrails_and_The_Protocols_of_the_Learned_Elders_of_Zion "The whole thing is absolute nonsense, whereas indeed certain financial magnates are Jews, as they are also active in the commercial world and in politics. Yet seen in proportion to other humans of other orientations of belief, it all quite equals out again. Therefore if Jews outside of Israel are active in many countries of the Earth in regard to commerce as well as the financial world and politics, then they form no sovereign in one form nor in the other from which a national derivation of power or something similar could emerge. Through false information and racial hatred, as well as xenophobia and hatred of someone's belief, and so forth, the Jews have been unjustly abused since ancient times and for all existent and nonexistent evil, made responsible for all deviant, incorrect and for all other bad and negative things which are set in motion and which happen in regard to the worlds of finance, commerce and politics. Allegedly, this is supposed to correspond to the intention of Judaism to snatch world control for itself and to establish a utopian reign under an absolutist Jewish monarchy. In the case of "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" everything is, however, so hammered in through the tiring repetitions that it evokes anxious thoughts and anxious feelings and thereby, unwillingly, the delusional belief of a Jewish conspiracy for the control of the world and of humanity. For every reasonable human essentially the whole thing would have to appear absurd because in the Protocol text the talk is that the entire political, commercial, financial and social life of the entire terrestrial humanity and world is not that which the human recognises, finds out about and experiences. Allegedly, namely, as it is presented, everything is only an illusionary play of marionettes which is led along by an invisible and nearly omnipotent, respectively, almighty, world-wide conspiracy. For every reasonable human such talk of that kind is a very trustworthy distinguishing mark of a crazy, sectarian, right-extremist and fanatical quality. If a human - no matter which religiosity - even only concerns himself a little with Judaism and with Jewish-believing humans and has some experience and encounters with it, he knows that the picture which is transmitted through the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" and which is mendaciously ascribed to the Jews, is completely false and foreign to reality. It is a type of revenge as well as of angst of the Jewish fellow humans; an angst and revenge, which lurks under the surface of society, especially with the extremists and those of Christianity and of Islam who are wrongly led by the extremists. There is absolutely no more to say about that because stupid and idiotic ones never understand that their intelligence not once extends far enough to be able to distinguish between cleverness and stupidity, therefore the stupid and idiotic ones delude themselves that they are clever." http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Historeed Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 09-2008 |
Michaelhelfert, In all honesty, your rant about the JEWS comes off as fanatical and obsessed. How could you possibly be sure of all this? Perhaps the JEWS "destroying your career" might be the cause of your rage? Matthew Reed | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 01-2011 |
Putting an egg into the frying pan.... "We are our own worse enemies" If we think and rationalize it, therefore it becomes! I do not deny others have tried to control but when it comes down to it we are the ones who are responsible for our own spiritual progress or as I see it, at least in this lifetime. Since time began there has been chaos, some schools of thought believe that it is necessary to progress forward based on such just adversity. Is this not the case here then believe me no where in the book does it say that we have to like it. We are personally responsible for our own final destinations Gaia will take care of herself in the long run, even if it means our own ultimate extinction on this beloved planet that has been lent to us by the powers that be. Clear Preception through through true clear discernment based on all of our so called common grounds both onward and upward to ultimate spiritual enlightenment! War is Hel and I don't want it either. But we must learn to overcome all of our short comings. I should have died many years ago in this lifetime but became a survivor of two wars and now I am here to say that Billy's way is the right way! And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time. ~ T. S. Eliot | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 729 Registered: 08-2004 |
Regarding the Henoch prophesied attack on Finland: Anyone who may wonder how Russia or Putin could attack Finland should note Putin's former top economic advisor, Andrey Illarionov, who in Match 2014 said Put on has a grand plan to retake Belarus, Slavia, Lithuania, Estonia, and ecentually Finland. This in order to expand geographically and economically due to the high levels of energy resources these countries possess. Under what pretext could he attack Finland? While Finland is a EU member it is not a NATO member and so NATO has no military right or agreement to defend Finland. Just like Ukraine, Finland has a historical relationship with Russia. It was a part of Russia for 108 years and was ("only" from the Putin viewpoint?) granted independence in 1917. It would be easy for Putin/Russia to regard the granting of independence a mistake. Russia is reactivating its Cold War military bases with MiG-37 interceptors, air defence systems, mobile ballistic missiles and more; and it is deploying 6,000 personnel along its Arctic border. Link: www.independent. co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-wants-to-regain-finland-for-russia-adviser-says-9224273html. Hope the link works. Chris Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 730 Registered: 08-2004 |
Those typo auto "corrects" should have been "Latvia" and "eventually". Couldn't correct them from my smartphone. Chris Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1298 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Chris good question I'll take a wild guess and say that it's because Finland will be one other arm twisted country forced to join in on the sanctions against Russia which will later join NATO membership and by proxy allow the US via NATO to install it's military hardware such as the latest missile systems targeting Russia. Who knows the US and NATO may up the ante and install nuclear weapons in Finland after pretext upon pretext and demonization upon demonization of Russia and in particular Putin for God knows what. You could just smell another false flag op on the horizon against Russia as a pretext to do just that by the US and NATO. Poor Finland like a shark with it's fins cut off | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 231 Registered: 06-2013 |
Hi Earthling, Thanks for reminding me what the Plejaren said there about the Jews. But there seems to be a contradiction in the contact notes with what the P's said about them? - "143. In truth, the Hebraons were the real scum and outcasts of Earth humanity, because through them fights and quarrels within the whole world were constantly stirred up and yet further spread, which has been maintained until the present day. 144. Earth will first finally be calm, then, when this power-hungry and bloodthirsty Hebraon alliance, and which they themselves named as a people, which has split into various sects addicted to world control, and so forth, is fully dissolved." http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_070 | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 231 Registered: 06-2013 |
Terror group ISIS to open central bank and prepare for gold backed currency "With all of the projections on whether Russia, Switzerland, or Holland may be the first to re-create a gold backed currency in this era of fiat money, it appears that a much different entity may beat them to the punch. On Jan. 6, the terrorist group known as the Islamic State or ISIS is hiring bankers to facilitate the creation of a new financial institution that will function as the monetary arm of the growing Islamic Caliphate. Unlike most other terror organizations of the past 20 years, ISIS has emerged with a fundamental mission and clear objective. And like the old Ottoman Empire that was dissolved by Europe after their defeat in the first World War, the Islamic State is seeking to replicate many aspects of that former civilization including the capture of nation states that were formerly under the dominion of the Turks, and establish a monetary system based on gold, not paper." http://www.examiner.com/article/terror-group-isis-to-open-central-bank-and-prepare-for-gold-backed-currency  | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1299 Registered: 07-2005 |
There is no contradiction Vincent The term Habraon does not necessarily mean 'Jews' or Jewish people as I think according to my memory either Semjase, Ptaah or Quetzal told Billy that one of the definition of Habraon means trouble makers, outcasts, those who have fallen into Gewalt or Ausartung and so forth as well as a particular group of people since ancient times. I stand correct on this of course but that is how I remember it. I think Semjase also said that the present day Jews don't have any semblance to the Jews of the past and that they are totally different or something to that effect. You'll have to look it up Matt lee | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 901 Registered: 05-2008 |
Hi Vincent, Semjase, out of all the Plejaren, was the most vocal regarding her thoughts and feelings of the Hebraons who are said to be the origins of the present day Jewish people. Let's also take, for ex. as Matt Lee pointed out, the guy who runs theyfly.com, whose spirit-form was born to two humans of Jewish belief/identity. His spirit-form incarnated as a descendant of the Hebraeons, yet in those ancient days that Semjase is referring to, his spirit-form is said, by Billy, to have been not only associated with the mission, but always loyal to it. Therefore, you can't always judge a book by its cover and that is the case with any peoples or race, religion, skin tone, gender preference, ideology, etc. Not only that but the Plejeran are only human as well and therefore make mistakes and sometimes even whoppers of mistakes which they further with their good intentions (the road to hell is paved with good intentions) hence Semjase's assessment of Hitler: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_260 Semjase: … Adolf Hitler was, in many respects, a genius. His knowledge ranged from a variety of areas of art and technology concerning a variety of sciences up to the use of the power of suggestion. In his internal form, he was an incarnate life form of very good values. Nevertheless, he wasn’t a man of highly developed spirit but rather a man of intellect and reason, who was destined to lead the overall earthly politics and economy as well as all nations in a certain positive direction, in order to create a peaceful, united world and Earth humanity. For this purpose, he was educated and incarnated at his place. He was destined to give a new style to the Earth, through a positive and enforced non-violence, and to initiate new forms of development. This was very strictly controlled and monitored. But ultimately, all efforts were in vain, and he was unable to fulfill his task in the way that it was provided. So perhaps the Plejaren bear a heavy responsibility for those killed in WW2 which estimates range from 50 to 85 million human beings. Or perhaps Semjases subconscious impulses of disdain for the Hebraons or Jews were picked up by Hitler and he took the ball and ran with it. I'm not saying that is the case, just throwing it out there. If I wanted to, I could spin a case out of that, open up some web site and blame WWII on the Plejaren or Semjase with all the blood on their hands. I could start a new hate group, promote it to no end, etc., as is done with any current or past conspiracy-theory. Then others could take that and further it to no end, getting all out of the control of the good human nature. However, as Matt also pointed out, we humans have to get past such nonsense and get to the essence of what will create peace, harmony, freedom, etc., and not further discord. ============================================== From questions to Billy - http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/6822.html Posted on Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 11:37 pm: Question: From your 70th contact, Semjase in the story of the Aryans said: “In truth, the Hebraons had been the real dregs of society and outcasts of earthman-kind, because they constantly incited fights and quarrels within the whole world, which is still maintained until the present. Peace on Earth will finally be then when, this might-thirsty and murderous self-called Hebraon race-connection has become completely scattered”. There was some discussion regarding this in the forum, so I wished to ask you. Is Semjase saying that the descendants of the Hebraons (people of Israel?) are vile minded people? Answer - The people of Israel, as well as the Jews in general, must be separated from the Hebarons of ancient times. Today, the people of Israel have developed into a people (Volk), just as has been the case with the U.S. Americans whose forbearers were, centuries ago, in great parts sectarians, criminals or other disgraced persons fleeing from, or being exiled by, their native European countries. This mixed bunch of people has since then developed/grown to the U.S. American people. The “Hebaron-Bund” of the old days has been dissolved. (Note by CF: But this term still stands for all those shady persons etc. who are fostering war instead of peace in order to strive for their own materialistic and egoistical aims.) Of course there are degenerated, vile characters among all peoples. (Note by CF: And just as it has been the case in Israel in ancient times, it is still so in Israel and Palestine/Near East of today, because only criminals and low characters are able to uphold terror, war, discrimination or huge transgressions against all internationals laws of humanity, as has been the case with the Lebanon war.) http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 497 Registered: 09-2011 |
Really? I engage the conversation, pointing out the group that really does hold power, and you call me names, assume I hate those people, hear me as ranting and raging. Well, I must’ve gotten close to the mark. Anyway, thanks for your comments, they were quite good. I still find it more than ironic that we can talk about white people the way we are doing now, and it’s not an issue, but not so about other peoples - and especially not about the (unmentionable), who apparently can suffer no criticism. Don’t worry, within a few years the Muslims will overtake (unmentionable) as the most carefully unrefferred-to people on the planet. I don’t feel rage. I feel resigned. I feel our country has been taken over, changed from within, but not by the original people who built our society. It was built by one group of people, yet taken over by another group, and then manipulated to house an entire unrelated and confused world of less-developed people through deliberately steered demographic changes, which were NOT inevitable, BTW. And now I feel no point to building a better future, I mean, seriously, why should I? Whatever future I might work to build will likely be taken over, in the name of the same racial vindication or social justice or some other excuse, in just the same manner that my country has been. Why should I bother to build anything when conniving and manipulating tools wait in the wings to subvert it from within? Apparently, might makes right, such is the morality that passes muster here. That’s not ranting or raging, that’s making a realistic assessment of our situation. Likewise, I don’t know how to convince you that I’m not obsessively hating when I point out the (unmentionable) power in our world that such professors as Mearscheimer and Walt have documented. Careers destroyed. I don’t know what else to say. What would make you happy? Would you prefer I said nothing? What would make you happy? You say I’m a homophobe, but honestly, you have no idea who I am. You say I’m a (unmentionable)-obsessed white-supremacist. Really? I advocate the respect of disparate peoples and cultures. And in terms of (unmentionable), I spend more time trying to ignore them than I do obsessing about them, but in learning about world events, it's so in our faces that ignoring it really gets hard sometimes. For instance, just lately Jeffrey Epstein, another long-time Mossad asset, has been involved in legal proceedings for setting up child-sex rings to ensnare and blackmail important personages, the likes of President Clinton and Prince Andrew. Honestly, I've stopped counting (even deleted from my records) how many times this same scenario has made it to stage of public attention in the last couple of decades, and the mainstream press reports on it, if at all, as if this were the first time its ever happened, and isn’t it an oddity? But I try to ignore this stuff, mostly because its the (unmentionable) who are doing it. Because they are (unmentionable), they get a free pass, right? Whatever. You are right, Bruce. Although I keep an open mind, my thinking on the machinations of mankind hasn’t changed much over the years, though in the ensuing time I have honed my awareness of it… especially the mental prisons that we work to build around our fellow man. I have long wrestled with the contention that as long as this stuff is going on, as long as there is zero acknowledgement and adamant denial, as long as there is zero apology and promise to change, then there is zero point to building a more modern society on this planet. I still wrestle with that in my mind, trying to convince myself that the world deserves to move to the next level, when in fact I don’t always believe it. What would make you happy? Would you prefer I ceased interacting with the forum completely? Why don’t you stop holding back and tell me what you really think? Life | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1300 Registered: 07-2005 |
Didn't Petale wire via spiritual telepathy it's own prophecy to Billy and in it it mentions, according to my interpretation, the next 666 antichrist (not the ET sort) waiting to rear his ugly head in the future from that vantage point? Its been so long since I've come by this info but according to my recollection, I believe, it refers to the new caliph. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 966 Registered: 07-2009 |
Michael Helfert, Let's please note that only pedophiles really get "ensnared" in pedophile rings, etc. People who aren't of a particular bent don't get "ensnared" in things that they aren't very interested in. Self-responsibility and all that. |
