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    Vincent Member Post Number: 232 Registered: 06-2013 |
Hi Earthling and Newinitiation, Thanks for that detailed explanation! I got confused with this - "...and which they themselves named as a people,..." thinking it referred to the Jewish race today which aren't actually a race. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 156 Registered: 04-2011 |
The United States of Our World (1) “Setting The Scene” “Je pense donc je suis” (I think therefore I am). The view expressed in this phrase is that “whatever has the ability to think (i.e. one’s mind) , exists”. It is attributed to Descartes (1596-1650) but already Plato (428 BCE – 348 BCE) spoke of the “knowledge of knowledge” to assert the same idea. But this statement is valid as well the other way around: What exists, is the product of thoughts. Billy / CR 476: “..The power of thoughts brings about everything, so to speak, and in fact all the more certain, the more the thought forces of many people unite in the same cause.” Thoughts create reality – especially if many people have the same thought. Which thoughts should man strive for? As humans are a universe within universes their thoughts should reflect cosmic values, including order, balance and harmony. “If the Earth human being wants to think and evolve correctly and in accordance with the Creation, then he may neither move his way of thinking in degenerated negative paths nor in degenerated positive paths, for both are degenerative that can produce very bad and negative consequences, so they are contrary to the Creation.” Ptaah’s (CR 39/85) There truly are many discussions about US policies on FIGU … To create a balance it is only fair to present the US government’s views, too. My source for these is the book “The Day After Roswell”. In it Col. P. Corso, a former Pentagon official, describes the circumstances that the US military faced after WWII… (2) The US in 1947 - Firstly there was the danger of the Russian Secret Service Col. Corso explains that everyone in the (US) army knew that KGB agents had completely penetrated the CIA. US military personnel told him that the Russians were trafficking so heavily in US military secrets that they knew things about US developments before the Congress knew them. KGB agents carried copies of the US atomic bomb design to Russia. The Korean War, he says, was not lost on the battlefield but because the US command was compromised from within by Russian spies. The Russian advisers fighting alongside North Koreans were given the US military plans before they reached Mac Arthur’s staff. “And when the US threw its best technology into the field the Soviets had already formulated how to best capture it and take it back to Russia.” Later on the Chinese (invading North Korea – supporting Vietnam) added another major “Communist” power. So there was the constant concern of “protecting the US way of life against Communist aggression”. - Secondly there was the fear of being invaded by ET forces After WWII “both – the Russian and US- missile research was based almost entirely upon German weapons research spoils… “. General Twining who oversaw all operations related to Roswell suggested that “ the crescent shaped (Roswell) craft looked so uncomfortably like the German Horten wings our flyers had seen at the end of the war that he had to suspect the Germans had bumped into something we didn’t know about. And his conversations with Wernher von Braun and Willy Levy at Alamogordo in the days after the crash confirmed this.” “In those confusing hours after the discovery of the crashed Roswell alien craft, the army determined that in the absence of any other information it had to be an extraterrestrial. Worse, the fact that this craft and other flying saucers surveyed our defensive installations and even seemed to evidence a technology we had seen evidenced by the Nazis caused the military to assume these flying saucers had hostile intentions and might have interfered in human events during the war…” “The military found itself fighting a two front war, a war against the Communists who were seeking to undermine our institutions while threatening our allies and, as unbelievable as it sounds, a war against extraterrestrials, who posed an even greater threat than the Communist forces.” “….There were a million questions. Were these flying objects a prelude to something much bigger? Were they communicating with the Soviets? Were they probing our defenses for a planetary invasion” (3) Reaction After Discovering The Roswell Craft (Admiral Hillenkoetter To President Trueman) “It’s just like the Manhattan Project, Mr. President, it was war. We could not tell anyone. This was war. Same thing.” Then they explained that after they had convened a working group (M12) , they would task out the research of the technology while keeping it from the Soviet spy machine already operating at full bore within the government. “We hide it from the government itself,…..the only way to hide it from the Russians is to hide from ourselves.” the secretary explained. …. “Do we ever tell the American people what really happened?” Pres. Truman asked. ….. “Not a thing until we analyse what we have retrieved.” “In a second discussion General Twining explained the strangeness of the UFO (no engine, no means of propulsion, no steering controls, one could see the daylight inside the craft even thought the sun had not risen etc.) “It would take years to find the answers (to these questions)”… But as newspapers continued reporting about other UFO sightings – there was a need for fast action: “What was really needed, General Twining suggested, was a method (project Blue Book) for gathering the information about continuing UFO activity – “ .. surreptitiously filtering that information to the group (M12) while coming up with practical explanations that would turn unidentifiable flying discs into completely identifiable and explainable phenomena.” It would have to be, Gen. Twining suggested, at the same time “both the greatest cover-up and greatest public relations program ever undertaken…” (4) The Perception of Extraterrestrial Danger Rightly or wrongly the US military forces really believed ETs were hostile. Mac Arthur / NY Times, 1955: “The nations of the world will have to unite for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the Earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets” Paul Hellyer (Canadian Def Minister in the 1960s – Interview in August 2014) “They come from the Pleadis, Zeta Reticuli and several other star systems ..If we shoot down every UFO that comes into our airspace without asking we are facing interstellar war.” http://rt.com/shows/sophieco/137959-anadaminister-defense-ufo/ The Russians, too, are concerned – one of the two folders the Russian President receives daily is about extraterrestrial presence – (Interview with the Russian President in December 2012) http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/07/us-russia-medvedev-idUSBRE8B616L20121207 (5) Why did the perception of hostile intent come up? It may have been an echo of the thoughts, the many dangers perceived during WWII or a recollection of that panic stricken Halloween night in 1938 when simulated news bulletins suggested an actual alien invasion by Martians. These memories may have overshadowed the thoughts of the military when finding the Roswell craft. “From the very beginning when we put satellites in orbit, the ETs surveyed and then actively interfered with our launch vehicles and in some cases the manned and unmanned payloads – buzzing them, jamming radio transmissions, causing electrical problems with the spacecraft’s systems, or causing mechanical malfunctions.” Some were shot at / forced into a controlled landing – e.g. in 1974 in Wales/England and in Germany. The crafts were then taken to Area 51. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/mad-mad-world/New-tell-all-book-reveals-how-RAF-shot-down-UFO-in-1974/articleshow/37971457.cms http://exopolitics.blogspot.com.au/2007/10/et-shoot-down-over-germany.html American and Soviet astronauts reported sightings of UFOs so routinely that it became common place - http://www.syti.net/UFOSightings.html#anchor359160 X-15 pilot Joe Walker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8deyx3xlXCY A highlight is Astronaut Gordon Cooper’s interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc (He even filmed a UFO landing at Edwards Air Force Base in California and send the film to Washington) The moon program was thought of originally (in pre- NASA times project “Horizon”) as a military base, an early warning system against a Soviet missile attack and most importantly a surveillance and defense against UFOs, to protect Earth against a surprise attack. But “… the army and air force managed to find at least 122 photos taken by astronauts on the moon that showed some evidence of an alien lunar presence. The Apollo moon landings were stopped. “It was a startling find and was one of the reasons that the Reagan administration pushed so hard for the Space Defense Initiative (SDI - “Star Wars”) in 1981….” (6) Perestroika "When President Ronald Reagan demonstrated to Mikhail Gorbachev that the US was capable of deploying an effective antimissile missile defense and sought Soviet co-operation in turning it against the ETs, all pretext of the Cold War ended and the Soviet Eastern Europe began to crumble.” (7) Summarizing Results The Roswell craft lead the US military intelligence to assume hostile ET intent. Because of the many sightings military intelligence analysts supported the view that Earth was already under attack. This may have been an overreaction. But to some degree this is understandable: it was 1947 - less than 2 years after the end of WWII. Thoughts of an immanent ET invasion created the pretext of Cold War – an alibi to fund an immense arms pile up in Russia and the US. When the US and Russian leader agreed to co-operate against a common foe – the US : Russian confrontation was no more: Russia’s (M. Gorbachev’s) policies of glasnost ("openness") and perestroika ("restructuring") are a testimony of good will. (8) Conclusions Ergo Col. P. Corso concludes that the US policies worked well: “It was alien technology that we used: Lasers, accelerated particle beam weapons, and aircraft equipped with “Stealth” features. And in the end, we not only outlasted the Soviets and ended the Cold War, but we forced a stalemate with the extraterrestrials, who were not so invulnerable after all.” His book (published 1998) does not reflect on later events – the Iraq Wars / their aftermath, Sept 11, “Arabian Spring”, “Ukraine”… In view of these – there must be additional lessons that we have to learn. (9) What We Thought of In The Past Manifests In The Present Coming back to what Billy mentioned about the power of “thoughts”. The environments we live in today are the echo of our past thoughts. They reflect how we declared ourselves and by what standard we were willing to live by in the past. For the US military” it was war, same thing”. They tried to prevent both - that US intelligence falls in enemy’s hands and a panic among our citizens. Their solution was to ‘cover up’ – to ‘camouflage’ - as they were used to do in war time. This deception was, however, not only employed for ET sightings. It soon extended to many fields unrelated to ETs. So today – some 68 years of “government inside government” controlled deception later - our world is so full of lies that it is becoming harder and harder to separate truth from untruth (e.g. WMDs or wars against oil rich countries that wanted to leave the petro-$, the Arabian Spring, who shot down MH 370, MH17 etc.). Great efforts are made to hide the truth - the bureaucracy employed to uphold this ‘camouflage’ is enormous: E.g. people researching ET files just do not know what to look for or do not recognize it for what it was when they found it: “When you search through every government document to find the declassified secrets of e.g. Roswell and the contact we maintained with the aliens who were visiting us before and have been doing so ever since, you would find code-named project after code-named project, each with its own file, security classification, military or government administration, oversight mechanism, some form of budget, and even reports of highly classified documents. … at each level, once the security had been breached for whatever reason – even by design – part of the secret was disclosed through declassification while the rest was dragged into a new classified project or moved to an existing one that had not been compromised…”. (System-Supervision via Internet controls/phone controls using e.g. Echelon) (10) There truly is an urgent need to “defragment” this system Then – in 1947, 2 years after WWII - the military intelligence was still conditioned to a perception of conflict. They may have been unable to perceive that the ETs only wanted to determine the extent of radiation and potential harm that they might cause on the environment. But today is definitely a time when war perceptions, camouflage, and ‘a government inside a government’ are wrong. We need a different perspective – a different thinking. (11) What We Think In The Present Manifests In The Future Paul Hellyer (former Def Minister of Canada) reasoned in August 2014: “We’re going to have to start switching our priorities and stop spending so much time and effort on weapons to kill each other, or to dominate each other, and spend a lot more time on how to help each other to have a better life and a more just society, and life which is healthier.” http://rt.com/shows/sophieco/137959-anadaminister-defense-ufo/ Steve Greer – re. why ET may interfere: “The entry ticket to be interplanetary ourselves is to be civilized.” - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zuvf8h0MsEc Like S. Greer I think it is high time a complete disclosure should be given to the people. In the US, Russia and everywhere else in our world. I am convinced that a worldwide disclosure would contribute to a unite our world. (12) The United States Of Our World P. Corso’s account reflects the view of a patriotic US citizen - exemplifying Hegel’s (1770-1831) thinking: “America is therefore the land of the future, where, in the ages that lie before us, the burden of the World's History shall reveal itself.” But to solve the complex issues of our day we do need to promote a different patriotism. We need to open our mind and accept our home planet as our home country: “The true burden of America is to show the world that universal spirit reveals itself more fully in a union of states than in isolated nation-states. If the United States of America can transform itself to the United States of the World, universal spirit and universal freedom have a chance to become at last universal on our earth.” Daniel McNeill http://theunitedstatesoftheworld.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/german-idealism-discovers-america.html But this is not only the burden of America. It is as well the burden of Russia and all other countries. E.g. At present the Russian President “thinks” Russia is just defending her interests, that the US and its allies broke the guidelines of perestroika, that they unilaterally withdrew from the ABM (Anti-Ballistic-Missiles) Treaty, that NATO advanced onto Russia’s doorstep, that missiles in Alaska and the many US military bases all over the world (Russia has only 3) are a constant threat, that the petro$ system manipulates the economy favourably for the US etc. See http://rt.com/news/215551-russia-not-attacking-west/ (Press Conference 18-12-2014) What is the future of these thoughts We know what happened when the US military "perceived" hostile ET intent. So perhaps the western alliance should not ridicule his thoughts but take them as an impetus for discussions. Perhaps all parties should think of their highly guarded principles in a more global – more “all humans” - way. Similar to Neil Armstrong’s perspective during his moon experience: “You develop an instant global consciousness, a people orientation, an intense dissatisfaction with the state of the world, and a compulsion to do something about it. From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch'." *) It may be worth mentioning that Stoic philosophers (300 -200 B.C.E.) and Cicero (106-43 B.C.E.) already stated that “the natural law is of a universal nature… that it is a sin to alter this law.” The Declaration of Independence in 1776, too, is based on the idea of universal equality. But in today’s world a serious acceptance by all nations is vital. “When you come out of the storm you won't be the same person who walked in. That's what this storm's all about.” (H. Murakami) False impression, false thoughts may have created many obstacles in our world today. But if there is a will to rectify them then both, Russia and the US, could see present problems as a stepping stone towards global unity. However, if we do not change course, continue to defend the lies and selfishness of a select few, call a “government within a government” a “true” democracy then our past mistakes will compound until they destroy us. “Cogitare est Vivere” - “To live is to think” (Cicero) Max Planck: “All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.” Humans can shape the reality by shaping their thoughts. A different thought will create a different reality. The happiness of human life depends on the quality of human thoughts. Salome, Bill *) Re. making sure that those who decide the fate of nations have a “global consciousness” (without sending them to the moon for conferences all the time) We cannot undo the past but we can set new standards by which to live in the present and future. All creation starts with a thought. “Today is not war. Not the same thing.” – this thought should be a much better basis for discussions.. The first step should be to abolish “the government inside the government” – in whichever country such exists. These people are not democratically elected and therefore should not be able to direct a country and its leaders. Secondly we should make sure that the Declaration of Human Rights as e.g. per UN Charta is given its rightful place: At present the UN Charta is not a binding constitution – it simply applies some moral pressure to member states. If we want a global consciousness to develop it should have a higher value than any national constitution, the national constitutions should be subordinated to a global (e.g. UN) Declaration of Human Rights. Thirdly our leaders should first promise to keep the directives as per (e.g.) UN Charter and subordinated to that the national constitution. Fourthly there should be an education program for uneducated humans – age, education and no criminal record should be the basic requirements for voting. Fifthly there should be only one “multinational” defense force commanded by a global government. Etc. etc. If there is a will there is a way. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1301 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thanks Bruce for the timely quotes they are very helpful in putting the right context to all this but more importantly it is from the horses mouths itself so to speak. Matt lee | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 902 Registered: 05-2008 |
Michael, you keep going on about the same subject from a certain point of view, which is your right, as it's mine to have a different point of view. If you wish to express such points of view on this forum, I for one will not be saying - "right on! white power!". There are plenty of websites and forums where such points of view will be welcome with open arms. Some will agree with you here and others won't. I'm one of the latter. Sure there are bad Jews/unmentionables, whatever you want to call them. Sure some are in positions of power and abuse that and attempt to gain even more power, however to give them the credit you give them, is going far too far imo, and I have an opinion, as do you, as does Billy, the Plejaren, Semjase, etc. Generally one has to get past such shit .. if you think some black khazar homosexual jew ruined your career, overcome the stumbling block and the asshole. There isn't one successful human in any endeavor who hasn't had to overcome some hindrance or another, even huge ones. And one doesn't overcome such hindrances by giving all the power to the stumbling block through endlessly focusing the might of one's thoughts on that. http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1302 Registered: 07-2005 |
Michael I appreciate your contribution as much as I do Bruce's and that of everyone else. I think you will love Israel Shahak's Jewish history, Jewish religion: The weight of three thousand years. Yes Jewish fundamentalism and Jewish extremism represent a clear and present danger but then again so does Islamic terrorism, Christian fundamentalists, Evangelicals, Lamaists, Scientologists, Satanists, Eschatologists and so just to name few. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1303 Registered: 07-2005 |
Tat sorry to spoil the party but have you been outside lately and mingled with people. Everywhere you go and most everyone you meet after you have gained an eye or two for the truth the perception of reality becomes all the more chaotic because there exists a push-pull force that keeps vacillating meaning the way thing ought to be there is scant indication of it and real spirituality is nowhere to be found except in free nature hence the inner conflict. It's quite desponding at times to see so much BS out there created and sustained by us all | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 158 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Matt, I simply wanted to show that it is important we "take care" of our thoughts because they will create the environments in which we live. If we think of being "under attack" we will pile up nukes, camouflage and consequently “experience" aggression and deception. If we think we are "superior", look down on others, we will (ultimately) "experience" destruction. If we hate, we become what we hate. But If we think of how to create unity we will -ultimately- "experience" peace. So what we experience in life - e.g the aggression of our world today - is a reflection of our thoughts yesterday. This was one part of my writing. The other was to show the historical development of the (political) scenario we find today. That the past reasoning is -to a degree- understandable because 1947 was just after WWII. I then asked myself what could be done - here and now- to develop a "global consciousness". Because this is what is needed to solve the more and more global epidemics and global issues like overpopulation and deflecting asteroids etc. My reasoning: All the terror and untruth we experience today – is the effect of how much we thought of “I” and of how little we thought of “we” yesterday. However, if we change our thinking today, the present turmoils become stepping stones for growth, and we will experience “unity” in the future. And we should not forget the overall task at hand: Like bees creating their beehive we are constantly updating the consciousness of our universe. That is - through all the “foul play” and “untruth” that we witness today - we should never forget the purpose of our life as it unfolds from the individual “I” personality of Stone Age Man to the “we” personality of the highest spiritual life forms. Salome, Bill | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 498 Registered: 09-2011 |
Thank you again for your responses and assurances. I expected to be hounded off this forum, so your tempered words put my worries to rest. Bruce, you don’t seem to like my use of the term ‘(unmentionable)’. I began using this term because everything I wrote that mentioned Jews was censored. (Someone must’ve complained…) Talking about Jews is like walking on rotten eggs - no matter how you do it, it's almost impossible to not cause a stink. For today, I am presuming that this one comment will get posted. This gets to the heart of the matter: some people want to mix everything up - people, cultures, races, vibrations, as if we are all the same. There are many reasons people would want to promote this, it doesn’t matter exactly why, though it usually has to do with some universal ambition or globalized threat. We do have them - the enticing potential of global business and trade, the threats of global climate change, global terrorism, global corruption, and an as-yet indistinct threat of extraterrestrial invasion by a much more technologically advanced society than our own - and these are real concerns. However, IMHO, they should not be used as an excuse to summarily dispense with, destroy what communities have been built up before. I have called the people who stump for universalism ‘Jews’, because that is the primary strategy and #1 concern of Judaism, to mix up other races, peoples, communities, cultures while maintaining their own community’s distinctions. In a number of documents, speeches, studies of what it means to be Jewish, a number of prominent Jews have said exactly this, without any of the normal equivocation. But if you mingle among various ‘progressive’ groups, it becomes clear that 'people who are Jewish' are hardly the only people who advocate for a universalist society without any regard to its destructive nature. Still, Jews were the originator of this superimposed universal-mixing moral imperative. I’m not saying that we should completely segregate ourselves, not hardly, but rather that the mixing of societies and peoples should be limited to an easy acceptance, not coerced by guilt and ambition. When universalism is forced, coerced, there will be a backlash. The harder this societal mixing is pushed, just like on this forum, the worse the backlash will be. We can already anticipate the balkanization of Europe and the American states. I don’t know, maybe you just don’t care about that. Perhaps the sacrifice of all of these distinct countries, cultures, and peoples on the altar of universalism impacts your psyche not a whit. To me, it has come to bother me to no end, a constantly sickening irritant that cannot be washed away. Indeed, this is what the West’s conflict with communism was originally about - whether an overarching universal-mixing moral imperative takes over our country or not. (It seems it did, and now Russia advocates for distinct societies, while we advocate for universalism without regard to its destructiveness. It seems the Russians know firsthand how deplorable the outcome this approach to building a society actually is, beyond what it’s advertised to be, they having lived through it.) Most especially, the negative aspect of pigheadedly pushing for societal mixing without regard to its impacts, the negative aspect most especially comes into play when considering the distinct 'vibes' of people. Although we can’t yet measure them, the quality of vibrational differences between people are a real thing, not some pansy-assed nonsense to be ridiculed and dismissed. People of wholly different vibes can literally get sick if enough time is spent in each other’s presence. This is real, and is perhaps the primary reason distinct peoples need to have the space to be themselves. The belief that this aspect of human life can be dismissed is as destructive as any religiously-adhered-to preeminent catholic regimen. If the reason modern science would have us dismiss the existence of the spiritual aspect of ourselves is to impede the development of distinct communities, then any distinct vibrational qualities of the soul and/or spirit should be doubly be denied. Such is science used to reinforce and justify the universalist’s dream of us all being the same. Even though it just ain’t so. If the reason behind all the propaganda touting immigration is to bring about this intermixed ‘modern, global’ society, then the propriety of racial mixing should be doubly sacrosanct. Such is the moral imperative used to reinforce and justify the universalist’s dream of us all being the same. And in fact, this is exactly what is going on here. You may not like what I say, you may not understand where I’m coming from, you may even ridicule me for emphasizing this aspect of the human circumstance, but do listen for a moment, as I advocate for peacefully creative social relations, not the (evil racial superiority) that you paint of me. Yes, we need to build the framework for a global society whose most fundamental laws are universalist in nature, absolutely the world needs to do this, yes. But… we also need to do this in a way that is respectful of each other’s distinctions, of each other’s societies, not just bowl over what makes us unique when it gets in the way. We have many different people from many different background living on this planet. This should be viewed as a good thing, an important asset of Earth, not as an impediment to making more money or garnering more power or whatever. There is a very good reason people naturally have distinct vibes, and this shouldn’t be dismissed or ridiculed because it gets in the way. I bring this up because someone here needs to. Allowing people to have their own spaces and distinct societies, placing limits on the interactions of societies out of respect for disparate races, cultures, peoples, this is the way of peaceful societal creativity. I have ideas about how to do this, to reinforce healthy community relations in a society that's at once both based on universal ideals and is respectful of more distinctly localized populations. Would anyone else here like to discuss that? Life | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 160 Registered: 04-2011 |
Dear Moderators, If you have not yet published my last post please publish the version below, instead. Thank you. Bill Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev warned that tensions between Russia and European powers over the Ukraine crisis could result in a major conflict or even nuclear war, in an interview that appeared in the German news magazine “Spiegel” on Saturday. "We won't survive the coming years if someone loses their nerve in this overheated situation," added Gorbachev, 83. "This is not something I'm saying thoughtlessly. I am extremely concerned." http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/09/us-ukraine-crisis-gorbachev-germany-idUSKBN0KI1US20150109 Let us hope that all parties find a peaceful solution. Salome, Bill PS Our fortnightly meditation is for peace in our world. Perhaps we should create a further topic “Ideas on how to establish world peace” | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1305 Registered: 07-2005 |
Michael as far as I know or think I know regarding the advanced races like the Plejaren and the Federation members racial integration, assimilation and co existence would not be an issue at all. Since they strictly adhere to the laws of creation and their love or lovingness is absolutely certain and not capricious like us earthlings they would absolutely see past race, colour, ethnicity, culture, customs, tradition, norms and so on as they would view fellow humanoid and human beings through the eyes of the universal creative spiritual reality. So essentially race would not even be an issue to them nor living and co existing with other races in peace, consonance, harmony, love, freedom and co operation because their love is absolutely certain. Well as everyone knows, down in terra ferma its obviously a different story. It is, well, simply a mess because as Billy said we follow no creational natural laws and directives out of ignorance of them and the inconvenience it brings if it known. So you see the ruinous and bastardized nature of rules and order in regards to multiculturalism because we earthings don't have the consciousness related spiritual capacity to live in peace love harmony and freedom with one another and not because there is a flaw to the principle and idea of racial integration and multiculturalism. If we can't even stand one another and fail to live in peace irrespective of race then thank goodness we aren't able to master space flight 'as below then so above' meaning we will wreak so much devastation and havoc out there in space like we are doing here on earth that even a blind man could see it coming (no offence to the visually impaired). So like I had mentioned previously the problem on racial issues and multiculturalism runs deeper than skin deep. Simply put and simplified, the answer is lack of genuine spirituality in people due to the ignorance of the truth of Creation and spiritual related knowledge as well as millions of years of consciousness and genetic related damage incurred as a result of toxic religious influence. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1306 Registered: 07-2005 |
Bill I have no problem with what you wrote as it sounds good based on sound principle but as soon as I turn my head to look out the window the should'ves, ought tos, must be's, could'ves, would'ves, if onlys, like tos and so on become distant sounds of a passing train forever elusively getting further away because you missed the train especially at the 11th hour. And what did I see out the window? Nothing Creational manmade be it political, societal, educational, infrastructural, sociological, institutional, governmental, transportational, social, personal, familial, occupational, financial, media and so on. So what's the problem? Everything earthling related. Still stuck between a rock and a hard place. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1309 Registered: 07-2005 |
Around 3 million people marched in Paris in unity against the recent terrorist attacks. It's all good and I hope it leads good results in the fight against terror wherever it happens. Just one thing though in Syria and Iraq these murderous barbarians are still at it chopping people's heads off and killing innocent people. I hope millions more people around the world come together in unity to march in solidarity and to express their outrage at what's going on over there now and then create a multi national peace enforcing troops to finally get rid of all these scums who perpetuate heinous act of barbarity all over the world including the Dark Order. | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 234 Registered: 06-2013 |
Hi Newinitiation, I think that act of people uniting across Europe means nothing to those ISIS Islamic terrorists because they hold degenerate death beliefs against Western people/religions and they are all too willing to die for their cause because they believe they will become martyrs if they do so. I do not have much hope that Meier's prophecy relating to this will NOT be fulfilled. "258. However, the main objective of the aggressors will be to bring all of Europe under their military control, and for that purpose France will be selected to be the headquarters. France will not only be invaded by the aggressors from the outside, but will also be conquered from within as a result of collaborative forces and other forces. 259. This can be envisioned as being the many foreigners of a different religion living in France at that time, and specifically Islam, which will be this force working from within. 260. Once France has fallen, a war to conquer Spain and England will take place. 175. And it will be that the fanatics of Islam will rise up against the countries of Europe and all will shake and quiver. 176. Everything in the West will be destroyed; England will be conquered and thrown down to the lowest level of misery. 177. And the fanatics and warriors of Islam will retain their power for a long time. 178. However, not only Europe will be affected but ultimately all the countries and peoples of the Earth, as the great horror expands to a war that will encompass the entire world..." | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 06-2013 |
I forgot to ask what people here think the chances are of that prophecy being fulfilled and could it just go part of the way and stop, or does it mean that once it has started it will fulfill itself to a war that will encompass the entire world? | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 501 Registered: 09-2011 |
Matt Lee, I don't understand where you are coming from, or what exactly you are saying. Would you be willing to elucidate abit more? From what I gathered, you condemn us Earthlings for having distinct races/cultures/societies, saying that only by mixing all peoples do we earn the right to travel to other planets (presumably to interbreed with those people as well). This is the moral standard that you believe in? And by extension, this is the moral standard everyone else should follow, or be condemned as immoral? Are you saying that the Plejaren accept all immigrants, regardless of their race, culture, or vibe? That they 'see past' all the differences of people, recognizing only the similarities we have with one another? Is this what you said? I disagree with those sentiments. Instead, I think that were we to spread out into space viewing other planet's races, cultures, societies through the lens of the same superimposed universalist morality that we have cowed to here on Earth, were we to leave Earth as a single race of 'united' people who only knew of a single way to bring about peace - through interbreeding and assimilation, were we to do to other planets what we have done to the Western societies here, then we would be a force for true evil, even though we couldn't recognize it as such, evil none-the-less. In that case, I would not wish our influence upon the universe at large, not under any circumstances. Better that we die out here than inflict such destructive moral trash upon the rest of the universe. Although I don't profess to know, I think the Plejaren place definite limits on immigration/integration - this being determined by the demographics and genetics of race, the influence of culture, and most especially the innate propensity of vibe. I don't think the Plejaren are absorbing so many immigrants that that they are changing who they are as a people. I think that if the Plejaren are told propogandandized nonsense, for instance that their concern for the continuity of their own society is immoral or racist, I think the Plejaren would laugh off such statements as manipulative bunk. I don't know what the future will hold, but I do know that what is happening here and now is just plain wrong. This conversation started out as a consideration of who the hidden hand behind the world's governance is. I pointed out the (unmentionable), nominated them as the most powerful group of people on Earth, the most influential and manipulative, and the most racist. It seems the conversation has evolved to 'see past' such people, to discuss the underlying morality and goals of racial mixing. You want to see that everyone is alike, regardless that this stance is one-sided, short-sighted, even blind to the reality of the human circumstance. Stand back from the problem to discern the obvious: when the moral imperative of mass racial mixing is superimposed, as it is today, it's more destructive than creative, indeed, it's more genocidal than anything else. Again, remind me how concern for race is racism. Remind me how we should all adopt the proclivities, intelligence, race, culture, and vibe of the least common denominator in order that validate that person, in order to be fair. I just don't get it. To my mind, this isn't true compassion, but rather it's just a reaction to imposed guilt. Life | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1312 Registered: 07-2005 |
Michael my view is that and the point that I wanted to get across is that every distinct and unique race and cultures should be respected. Remember equivalence is given to all under Creational natural laws. This doesn't mean that we should willy nilly hop in bed with every different race of people and have interracial mongrel babies. The point is that whatever the race, ethnicity and colour we should have respect for one another and live together in peace, love, harmony and freedom. It seems the Plejaren are doing a very good job of it seeing as Billy had witnessed shimmering black skinned person on board Ptaah's great spacer as well as being visited by the likes of Alena, Taljda, Andron, Kohun, dwarfs and half spiritual beings and a whole host of other extraterrestrial people who aren't of white descent or Plejaren. The preservation of unique race and cultures is a good thing I believe but just because you live in a multi cultural societies doesn't suddenly mean that you should abandon those unique heritage. You may disagree but it is still a white man's world where a dominant culture of one race stands far and above every other race in world order especially economic. This is fast changing with emergence of China and resurgence of Russia leading towards a more balanced multipolar world order. I am stating the obvious that here on earth if you can't learn to live in peace and harmony with other races and be tolerant of differences as you can see over in the Middle East it leads to war, conflict and destruction. We aren't in it together for nothing our future survival depends on it | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1313 Registered: 07-2005 |
Vincent I guess at times we can all get caught up in the prophecy mania and get carried away with it seeing as it is a very serious issue owing to the fact that we know Billy is a genuine truth announcer and that what he has managed to tell us for a good number of decades has come to fruition. As he said prophecies can change whereas prediction cannot. So take it for what it is because as a small group of people we definitely cannot change other human beings overnight nor is it in our sphere of influence and ability to be able to prevent the prophecies from coming true when wehaven't got the support of millions of people yet. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1314 Registered: 07-2005 |
Michael I think you'll find the song 'I am Australian' inspiring as it embodies the spirit of oneness in diversity and difference. You might have to give the Jews a break once in a while "We are one, but we are many, and from all the lands on Earth we come, we share a dream and sing with one voice I am, you are, we are Australian." My version "we are one, as we are many and from all the corners of the earth, we share a dream and sing in one voice- I am, you are, we are one family" | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 903 Registered: 05-2008 |
The unmentionable hidden hand at work in the Paris terror-spree. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/13/jihad-fanboys-in-the-paris-burbs.html "Boular said the attacks in Paris were part of a plot masterminded by Jewish conspirators. The Kalashnikovs, the identity cards the [killers] supposedly left behind, it was all staged,” said Boular, as his friends nodded in agreement. “It was a conspiracy designed by the Jews to make Muslims look bad. He also called the Paris terrorist attacks “un complot,” or conspiracy, and launched into a lengthy explanation of the “magical Jews” behind it. They were not ordinary Jews, he said, but a “hybrid race of shape shifters” who have extraordinary abilities. “They know how to get in everywhere,” he said. “They are master manipulators.” http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 380 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hey does anyone know if Billy gave a dead line as to when the nations of the world have to collaborate together in order to get rid of ISIS? Also if the world war 3 happens does FIGU have a survival back up plan to live through it? | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 503 Registered: 09-2011 |
Yes!!! Finally, I hear mirrored back that someone finally gets it. Yes! Thank you, Matt. I was just reading an interesting article which stimulated my mental fluids. http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2011/01/10/power-cherokee-women-3767 It's about the Cherokee's adoption of Christian ways in order to survive as a tribe in the face of European immigration into their territories, with a focus on women's roles. Although the tone of the piece is typical of pseudo-propagandandized speculation that I have read thousands of times before, it does make a good argument. Why is this relevant? The nations of pre-Columbian indian tribes had distinct, if constantly changing, borders. The North American continent was blanketed with many nations and peoples. They were not all the same people, they didn't all act the same way, nor produce the same degree of culture and civilization. The Cherokee were more amenable to the Christianized world than many of the other peoples and nations that lived on this continent. In fact, here is some speculation on the genetic origin of the Cherokee: http://www.examiner.com/article/dna-scientists-claim-that-cherokees-are-from-the-middle-east I haven't evaluated the veracity of those claims, but they wouldn't surprise me, either. The point here is that the Cherokee constituted a unique genotype, a group of people with an identity of their own which deserves to be saved as much as any other. To my eye, this isn't racism. This is actually a more gentle approach to the development of mankind, and thus a more truly progressive path of development. What we are doing now, the coerced cultural and racial mixing of peoples, yes pushed by people who are (unmentionable), but also by people of other backgrounds as well, this will lead to war and strife - considering all that is going on in this world, maybe that's what a certain group of people want, like many people, I certainly do wonder darkly. Bruce, your exacerbating the obviously ridiculous statements that have been interjected into our chaotic process of sifting through a pack of government/media lies for some kernels of truth, your ridiculing the process doesn't help. But you know that already. Maybe someday it will be funny, but now is not the time for that. Life | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 161 Registered: 04-2011 |
Three footnotes to post #156: (1) Tugunska the Russian Roswell It may be of interest to know that Stalin was very interested in the Roswell UFO event – assigning several researchers to investigate the event. Maybe it was through their “discoveries” that the 1908 Tungunska event came in his focus and that he adopted a very similar approach as the US leaders: - The area was strip searched – all metal objects that were found were secured by government agents. - The cause of the event was changed from "UFO" to “comet”. - Eyewitnesses were told never to mention the word UFO – if they did they were sent to a gulag in Siberia. Only after Gorbatchev’s perestroika the true eyewitness accounts became more accessible. A former KGB agent describes the evidence and that metallic evidence of an alien space craft were gathered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrGlZ10O7nM Please note: Any lawyer would first mention the claims of NASA that the Tungunska event was caused by a meteor or asteroid and then point by point present the scientific arguments against their reasoning. This video, however, first presents the scientific evidence that it could not be an asteroid/meteor, and then has 2 (very assertive) NASA scientists arguing for it. We know that it truly was a large spaceship from Asket’s explanations to Billy on 3 Feb, 1953. *) (2) Evolution Progresses Along Thesis – Antithesis - Synthesis A thesis attracts an antithesis. The industrial revolution brought up – first capitalism, then communism. It is understandable that for a period of time these two opposite forces fight for dominance. But today the differences in thinking have diminished a great deal: The “capitalist” western world has introduced many reforms re. social equality. The “communist” east – China and Russia – have allowed a select group of people to become richer than others – which would be an oligarchy (rule of the few) or aristocracy (rule by the most fitting = privileged class). This reality is not given its fair appraisal by those in power: they want to cling on their privileges. To defend their “perceived privileges” they still promote the differences between the two ideologies. But as is the universe so are its parts. The tendency to create a balance will gain on strength and the future will be a synthesis between “communism” and “capitalism”. It comes as the thoughts of a growing majority of people in the East and West see the shortcomings of their ideologies and reject their idolization. In the end they will shift their focus away from the polarization of the individual systems and replace it with a more general concept about life and the world. The decision makers on both sides should realize they are part of this evolution and not try to ignore or postpone it. (3) Edgar Cayce re. the thoughts that lead to destruction I mention this passage **) to point to the fact that “self aggrandizement” and striving for (“indulging in”) material wealth is what ultimately causes a society “to crash”. Our survival will depend on a different – more spiritual - view of our being. Similar to what the Plejaren/ Billy mention in the OM: “… But the present Earth human’s sense of effort toward seeking the truth has disappeared. He has lost the will to seek the truth through his inherent power of thinking, searching and recognizing. Therefore he has turned to the erroneous form of thinking that he will (“Aristotle” like) only accept as true that which he can touch with his hands and that which he can see with his eyes and that which he can hear with his ears. But this is the false, purely material way, which mocks and scorns any effort of self-thinking, self-feeling, self-searching, self-seeking and self recognition for every truth…. The word of truth is given, and this is wholly sufficient to reveal the teaching of truth for any who are willing to make and to bear the effort of learning through their own power.” Conclusion (update) The Russian and US “decision-makers” should realize that it was “foreign” ET technologies that have empowered their nations. That their decision was to use these powers for military purposes. That this has lead to a great many confrontations and conflicts in our world. They (Truman / Stalin) may have defended their actions arguing that they were necessary to defend their nations. This may have been understandable in the time shortly after WWII. But to use the same “cover up” now is equivalent to “self aggrandizement”. As EC indicated for Atlantis: This “posturing” would lead to destruction. Our time is the time for a different thinking. Russia and the US should see themselves not as rivals but as a team that has a “global responsibility”. Not only would a true teamwork between those two nations allow Earth humans to utilize the findings of alien technologies more efficiently. Our daily news confirm as well that the conflict between Russia and the US is used by several terror organisations to grow unabated. It is the time to co-operate and use the technical discoveries not for nations but for all humanity. In short: A combined effort is needed. Russia and the US should promote a common thought. A thought that allows them to see each other not as nations or ideologies but as the same humans on the same path of evolution. This thinking, this disclosure, this synthesis, stands above the welfare of the individual nation. It is the prerequisite for global peace. Salome, Bill *) 87.This actually also soon happened according to the decree of this regulation, when a huge space ship still in the terrestrial area was not able to free itself anymore from earth, where it had lain hidden during several months, with severe technical damage, in the country which is called Russia. 88. The ship was able to lift itself up for only a few hundred meters of high preparatory work and then dropped down more closely. 89. In accordance with the regulation that no spaceships, etc. were allowed to approach the earth more closely, each outside assistance was also impossible. 90. Other races from the universe stationed on the earth were, on the other hand, forbidden to bring the damaged ship assistance because among the crew a terrestrial epidemic had broken out, which was very dangerous for this form of life. 91. In the knowledge that no more assistance awaited them, they designed an enormous bomb from the foundation-stones of life, which are called atoms, forced the ship as far as possible into the sky up and let it then simply fall down. 92. Like an enormous comet it fell towards the earth, and before it could strike the earth, at a few hundred meters height the atomic bomb was ignited. Further details see http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/Tunguska.htm **) Edgar Cayce mentions (Reading 2464-2) that in Atlantis there were two groups of people with a different mind set: First there were the Sons of Belial that is “those individuals who used individuals or material things for self-aggrandizement or indulgence “…”those that worshipped ease and pleasure in the material world...” Then there were “the children of the Law Of One (= the ones seeking to evolve spiritually) …. (who) were giving periods to the concentration of thought for the use of the universal forces, through the guidance or direction of the saints (as would be termed today)… There are few terms in the present that would indicated the state of consciousness; save that, through the concentration of the group mind of the children of the Law of One, they entered into a fourth-dimensional consciousness – or were absent from the body.” The reading goes on to indicate that such group meditation, prayer or concentration together promoted knowledge and understanding within the group. Maybe this activity tapped into the subconscious using powers of the mind not normally used in the conscious state. Many disputes between those two groups arose – especially on how to treat androids (“those that pushed into matter to become separate entities without the ability of self-control”) The Sons of Belial only thought of using them as servants, whereas the Sons of the Law of One wanted to allow them their own space and more freedom of choice or decision. In the end the Sons of Belial’s use of “spiritual powers for material gains” lead to the destruction of Atlantis. “For, as it remains to the present day: That declaration of mind and those influences entertained, whether for construction or destruction, depend upon the spirit with which the declaration was made. In other words with what spirit do ye declare thyself? That in conformity with the universal consciousness, the law of love? Or that of hate, dissension, contention – which brings or produce burdens upon thy fellow associates. For the law of love is unchangeable; in that as ye do it to the least of thy fellows, ye do it to thy Maker”. (EC grew up as a Christian. So we may have to substitute the word “Maker” with “Creation”. But apart from that his insight is very accurate.) (Message edited by indi on January 18, 2015) | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1319 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi James As far as I could remember in Q&A to BEAM SSSC will live through it if it happens. No I don't think he has given any timeframe as far as I could remember. Its better that you ask Billy directly or just send out your thoughts to the telemetry disc hovering above the SSSC and you may serendipitously get an answer from sources you've least expected it from. About ISIS my conclusion drawn from the CR is that as long as Islam as religion exists so will terrorism and as long as the DARK ORDER, USA and state terrorism sponsoring individuals are voted into office then so will exist many groups such as ISIS terrorists constantly mutating into different forms but having the same aim to destroy everything not in its image or beliefs . Also as long as we are yet to reach AD 2815 and are still materialistically oriented with all religions still sticking around like abalones to a rock there will be Islamic extremism and terrorism. And as Billy said unless nations get together to form a coalition of multinational peace keeping troops to get rid of ISIS it will continue to exist. |
