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Author Message Learnmore12 Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 05-2014 Posted on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 06:49 am:        Hi Corey, Thank you for your translation. Is there anything mentioned in the AA about the procreation age limits for women? Kenneth Member Post Number: 157 Registered: 04-2013 Posted on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 09:08 am:        FYI, the majority of folks that are not associated with FIGU do not understand the over population issue of 12 people per each square kilometer (0.62 miles) of arable land. When provided the "over population statement", many people respond, when flying from one location to another, they say, "Look at all of the uninhabited land". It would appear that additional technical and/or logical data would help folks to understand Billy's population formula associated with resources. Sincerely Kenneth Corey Member Post Number: 874 Registered: 12-2009 Posted on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 11:32 am:        Learnmore12, No there is not. Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 Msmichelle Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 02-2010 Posted on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 04:54 pm:        Thanks Corey for your efforts. Powerful stuff, which will be hard to grasp by the majority of our population. What bothers me however, is most people like to focus on the country of Africa however, ALL countries must comply and decide together in order to reduce the population. peace MsMichelle Norm Member Post Number: 1572 Registered: 02-2000 Posted on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 07:08 pm:        Msmichelle. Europe, USA, Russia, Japan & Australia's population's are not even at replacement levels anymore. The only reason those countries populations are going up is from Immigration, Illegal & Legal plus the Refugee system dictated by the UN which determines the amount of people each county gets & its non-stop. The reason why you keep hearing bout Africa, India & China is their overpopulation is even effecting the non growing countries of the Earth. Plus not to mention all the problems these countries associated with overpopulation have which Billy has stated already. Hugo Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 04-2015 Posted on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 08:12 pm:        Norm, I'm not sure if you are aware but Australia's immigration levels are negligible compared to those other countries you mentioned there. In 2014 190,000 immigrants were allowed to migrate to Australia. They were hand picked by what they could offer/bring to Australia, work skills or family (money). As such they are not a burden on our economy, unlike many immigrants to those other countries you mentioned there. Also, Australia's tough refugee policy sees little illegal refugee's. The boats are turned back at sea and the ones that get through are resettled offshore. They don't get to live in Oz. Also, Australia is not overpopulated unlike all those others. Hugo Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 04-2015 Posted on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 09:12 pm:        Norm, just noticed I misread your post. Joe Member Post Number: 360 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Friday, June 26, 2015 - 11:26 pm:        Frosty Wooldridge is a person who at least realizes the dangers of overpopulation in the USA. http://www.frostywooldridge.com/ When you scroll down his website you will notice the inaccurate world population counter compared to FIGU's population world counter, but this is obviously understandable since he is probably unaware of the Meier material. But like I said, he nevertheless deserves credit because at least he realizes the dangers of overpopulation. Corey Member Post Number: 875 Registered: 12-2009 Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 01:29 am:        This last post of the series sums up my final thoughts on AA's words, to give you all things to consider: 1) based on AA's recommendations, at least in my country, male life-forms are procreating at too young an age. It is like children, having children. I don't see the masses changing this for centuries, however, an interesting side note is that CF has said in the Q & A, that most people in Switzerland wait until they are 30 to have children (glimpse into the future?). 2) Most families are still having more then 3 children, especially in the third-world, however, for several decades, most families in industrialized countries have naturally become smaller. Even so, this still compounds the overpopulation problem because there is not in place the FIGU recommended birth stop, and 7 year birth-rate checks! 3) The only humane solution to the overpopulation problem is a world-wide-birth-stop for 7 years, with 7 year birth-rate checks, so we can ensure an appropriate natural death-rate, instead of an ovarall disproportionate higher birth-rate. This is very logical. ****************************** I really do not know how long overpopulation will continue on Earth. Here is an answer from the Q & A that relates to this question of duration: November 28, 2010: "Hello dear Billy i don´t know how many times you have travelled to the future, and how far in the future of our planet you have seen, so in case that you know the answer and if you are free to speak about it i would like to know how much time will it take for Earth humankind to practice an strict birth control to fight overpopulation. Thank you very much Salome Billy doesn't know. His travel into the future spanned a much much greater time-period." Billy has said in some bulletins over the years, that future dictatorships may inhumanely deal with the overpopulation problem. My personal thoughts on this are: If this is true, this may last until the masses can regain control of the Earth (if this is possible for computer-chipped slaves to do), at some future time, and possibly instate humane population controls (if this is conceivable). But then again, if memory serves correctly, there information in contact 251, where Billy wrote that because of overpopulation, and running out of space on land-based areas, people will begin living under the oceans, at the bottom of the sea, which will further disrupt, and contaminate, the environment. If this is true, we can be dealing with this problem for an undetermined amount of time. The masses and the powers-that-be, may have no choice, but to deal with overpopulation, once our population-numbers hit 10 billion (the last Plejaren Bio-gram count was 8.3 billion [2014]), because the natural disasters will be unstoppable. Billy has told me in the Q & A that every decade on Earth, adds 1 billion people. So we have a little less then two decades before we reach the culmination point of 10 billion human-beings, and that is if WWIII doesn't break out. Add a potential WWIII, and Apophis meteor to the mix, and you have a very dark future, with lots of death. ****************************** some negative effects of overpopulation, and for disregarding the law of nourishment, and the preservation of life: -desertification -loss of water sources (countries drilling wells dry, and depleting natural regenerating aquafirs, known to terrestrial scientists as "water stress", in addition to, droughts due to unnatural climate change/global warming) -loss of food sources (less grain yeilds during growing season, less topsoil due to desertification.) -famines and mass starvation -diseases (some of them currently dormant-manifestable in the future, some of them possible mega-hyper diseases), plaques, sicknesses, etc. -release of frozen methane gas from melting of Artic permafrost -increased pollution, and degradation of environment -compounded peak oil -compounded peak natural gas -increased natural disasters (earthquakes, tsunamis, typhoons, hurricanes, volcanic eruptions, changing of weather patterns and extreme weather, super-storms, mudslides, sink-holes, snowstorms, polar vortexes, torrential rains, tornadoes, etc.) -increased deforestation -plundering of marine, and ocean life-forms for food -climate refugees -sinking of island nations -rising sea levels, and loss of coast-lines -melting of glaciers -potential worldwide power-failure (Billy) -disproportionate ratio of large amounts of young generations in failing states, with not enough jobs, which leads to radicalization, and extremism -increased terrorism -mass unemployment and lack of ability to self-provide basic sustenance (anyone caught stealing a loaf of bread will pay for it with their life- Henoch prophecies) -wars and riots (potential WWIII anyone? Food riots have historically broken out here on Earth, during slight famines) -affecting the consciousness of human-beings in a negative way (Contact Reports and Bulletins) -increased religious fanatacism -decreased grain reserves of UN World-Food-Programme -negative Geo-politics of food-scarcity -international conflicts over resources -resource over-consumption (how in the world are we going to have the resources to build beamships 500 years in the future?) -complete break-down of world's food (and other vital goods) commerce, and break-down of shipping, and transportation of those necessary goods -possible annihilation, and extinction, of animal, floral, and fauna life on Earth -possible atmospheric collapse like Akart (Ptaah/Bulletins/Contact Reports) -increased infertility of sexual reproductive organs in male human life-forms -males being born more feminine in nature, and women being born more masculine in nature (Billy said this some years ago) -insufficient time of programming of next incarnation, and consciousness-block, while the spirit-form is in the other world (Jenseits), and complete disruption of 1.52X reincarnation rate, people being born way too early, with all the accompanying problems that come with this, even to well-structured families -loss of cohesion of famlies -more single mothers, and "deadbeat" dads, relationships and marriages based on sex, not love, or actual bond-love, I once heard the Plejaren refer to this (based on sex problem) as "monkey love" -unwanted, and "accident" children -high divorce rates -loss of meaningful inter-personal human relationships, a loss of humanities' oneness itself -overall lack of human-beings that try to live a good life, by trying to formulate the high-values -increased prostitution and gambling -proneness to drug and alcohol addiction -increased crime, torture, human-trafficking, slavery, and organized crime -unnatural climate-change, and warming of atmosphere due to trapped carbon emissions -increased dictatorships and increased political/military might, and the increased subjugation of less powerful countries -increased illegal immigration, war and political refugees -increased mixing of races, cultures, degradation of cultural norms, and customs -bio-chipping (bio-metric identification system -Billy) -increased surveillance over every nation's citizens, and the erosion of basic free-willed human rights, and freedoms, because of growing power-hungriness of Intelligence services -potential thermal-nuclear war -disregarding of creative-natural laws and recommendations of Creation -return of primeval conditions to the Earth, with mass suffering to it's inhabitants -collapses of entire countries -greater stress on world's health care systems -greater division between the Earth's poor, and the rich -increased unpeace, disharmony, unfreedom, hate, jealousy, and pathological craving for retaliation -increased death penalty punishments due to increased criminality -increased racial discrimination, and discrimination of women -materialization of the "Suicide-King" (Contact Reports) -increased danger from nuclear power-plants -increased danger from the use of coal, and fossil-fuels -lower brain quotients -possible complete break-down of society as we know it -loss of perpetuation of world's space-programs, to go out and explore the universe, because of world set-backs due to overpopulation -degradation of developments brought about in science and medicine that are the result of Plejaren impulses, because of world set-backs -changing of the Earth's natural weather patterns for a foreseeable 1 million years (Billy) -millions of people must die an abnormal death (AA) -billions of people die in potential WWIII (Contact 251) -upcoming destruction, catastrophes, and evil, will take forms never before experienced, lived, or seen ("Goblet" page LXI) ******************************* AA's words on what would happen to our planet if we restored ourselves to a population-number of 500 million sounds like a paradise to me. My only wish is some rational, and intellectual persons, institute reproduction laws, and strict birth-control in the near future, but unfortunately, knowing us Earth-humans, we may personally have to have the bitter taste of much of the above list, in our mouths, and complete disaster will most likely have to roll over the Earth, before our planet is mature enough to face the taboo of our overpopulation problem. When our planet reaches the culmination point, it may already be too late. We may have to endure almost irreversible negative effects because of overpopulation, in future lifetimes', as a result. The truthly truth of the situation is that we will all reincarnate right back into whatever conditions earlier generations have left for our successor personalities, even if those conditions are disastrous. It may be rough for a few incarnations, and this culmination point, and our planet's collective actions once we reach this culmination point, will be part of our overall collective learning experiences from the negative (-), so a positive (+) can arise! The only question that remains, is how much death will it take to reach the culmination point? This is unavoidable, because, in the current time, our race is overlooking, and discounting the truth of our collective overpopulation problem, perpetuating it by procreating whenever they choose, blindly perpetuating God-delusion-belief because of the irrational religious teaching to "go forth, and multiply" without giving it a second thought. And when confronted, they turn the other way, act surprised, and get downright defensive, whenever a intellectual, rational, and logical human-being brings up the problem. This death, and these catastrophes, will manifest themselves through the casual law of cause and effect, and are a negative casual foreordination for our race. This will be hard-schooling for much of our race, and will literally change the face of the Earth for a long time to come. These catastrophes may be seen as the false "end-times" by religious fanatics, and those suffering from God-delusion-belief, but life, and evolution must continue on this planet, no matter how disastrous, or good, those times will be. Our planet will need strong leaders who come from the bottom up, and need those with deep roots in bettering disastrous conditions, for our future survival. These people will have to make decisions, that at the time, will be very hard, and were procrastinated, by earlier generations. Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 Corey Member Post Number: 876 Registered: 12-2009 Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 12:52 am:        30. Dadurch werden aber auch eure Probleme der Umwelt- und Luftverschmutzung gelöst, nebst vielen anderen damit zusammenhängenden Problemen. 30. Thereby also your problem of environmental and air pollution will as well be solved, in addition to, many other related problems. 31. Kriege und andere gleichlaufende Ausschreitungen werden in grössten Massen vermindert, und der Erdenmenschen lernt wieder, dass ihm sein Nächster in Wahrheit sein Nächster ist und dass die Menschen untereinander aufeinander angewiesen sind. 31. Wars and other similar riots will be reduced greatly, and the Earth human would again learn to him, his fellow human-being, is in truth, the one next to him, and that human-beings are dependent on each other. 32. Die Liebe und Harmonie wird wieder ihre Gültigkeit erlangen, und Frieden wird einkehren auf der Erde. 32. Love and harmony would again enter into force, and peace would return to the Earth. 33. Daher ist es das erste Gebot der Stunde und aller Zeit, dass die menschliche Bevölkerungszahl in genormtem Mass gehalten und darauf züruckreduziert wird, denn die unlösbarsten Probleme ruhen in der irdischen Überbevölkerung der menschlichen Lebensform. 33. Therefore it is the first need of the hour and all time, that limiting the human population-number to the standard measure, and keeping it reduced, because the most unsolveable problems rest in the overpopulation of human life-forms on Earth. *************************** -AA goes on to say (*B) that the way to the culmination-point is long, and hard, and first, for the Earth-humans, rationality must win out. -AA also says, the named way is, in truth, the only way, the culmination point will lead, there is no second choice, and no way of compromises. -Finally, AA says the Earth human needs to take insight on this, and come to returning ourselves, and the Earth, to a natural state of normality. (*A) = "Arahat Athersata" translation of page 23-24, verses 30-33, done by Corey. Copyright FIGU/BEAM, FIGU dictionary used whenever possible. (*B) = summary of "Arahat Athersata" page 24, verses 34-36. FIGU dictionary used whenever possible. Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 239 Registered: 04-2011 Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 07:46 am:        Hi Corey, Thank you for your great efforts to highlight the importance of population control. Salome, Bill Hi Michelle, I think Africa may have a problem with overpopulation. May I first mention some personal experiences: Some years ago I raised the problem of overpopulation. In this context I mentioned that in 1900 the population of Africa was 1/3 of the European population whereas 100 years later (in 2000) – according to UN population statistics – the African population was 3 times the European population. A businessman who had spent many years in Kongo confirmed my findings: He wondered why so many women worked very hard to feed their many children. Many of the women he asked told him they had about 17 or more children. He then asked one of the women whether her husband was helping her. The woman laughed and told him “He does not need to work – he has 7 wives.” A close relative told me a similar story: In English lessons for new migrants from Africa and Asia the teacher introduced their students to the laws and traditions of their new country. When she asked a man from Africa whether he did not answer. She asked him again which made him laugh. “Why do you laugh – are you not married”, the teacher asked. “I laughed because I have not a wife as you asked. I have many wives.” Secondly I may mention a UN prediction: According to them the population of Nigeria (one single country in Africa) should have some 750 million people by 2100. Thirdly I may quote a well respected German information magazine, the "Spiegel". It, noted in an article in May 2011 that the population of Africa (as at 2011) will increase more than threefold until 2100: From 1.06 billion (2011) to 3.6 billion by 2100 By that time the total Earth population should have reached 10 billion – so more than 1/3 of all Earth humans will then be African. (They quoted, of course, UN predictions which we know are much lower than the real population nos.) http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/uno-prognose-bald-leben-zehn-milliarden-menschen-auf-der-erde-a-760374.html The Spiegel article noted as well that by 2100 the no of Europeans should have dropped from 738 million to 674 million and that a similar stagnation or slow growth in population nos happens in all other major developed countries (see e.g. Japan). In other words: The potential of well off countries to support the disproportional rising no of people in underdeveloped countries will continually decrease. It seems unavoidable that this will lead to more and unrest in our world. My insights are mentioned without any racial disrespect. My sincere hope is that mankind will peacefully find to the truths that AA (see Corey’s recent translations) provided. Salome, Bill I enclose excerpts of some of the summaries which I some years ago mentioned to some leading politicians. Maybe some of our readers may find the stats useful in discussions re overpopulation. (I used UN stats thinking this will be the best medium to convey the urgency of the matter to leading politicians) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- …..There is an unsustainable trend that our world community (UN) should address. Because it becomes more and more impossible that richer countries (smaller population) feed and care for the (ever increasing) population of developing countries. Re-iterating some statistics to support this view: In 1968 ca. 1 billion people were rather wealthy – 2.5 billion lived in poverty. In 1990 ca. 1.2 billion were rather wealthy – 4.1 billion lived in poverty. In 1960 Kenya **) and Switzerland had a population of ca. 5 Million. In 2010 (50 years later) the population of Switzerland has grown to 7.5 million whereas Kenya now has a population of 40 million. As mentioned in our previous letter: In 1900 Africa’s population was one third of the population of Europe. In 2010 (110 years later) Africa’s population is three times the population of Europe. (Overall our planet’s population –despite two world wars – quadruplicated in the 100 years between 1900 and 2000.) How does the increase of hungry people relate to the increase in (world) food supply ? Between 1950 to 1984 the world’s wheat harvest still showed a growth of 3 % a year – from 1985 on it grew by only 1 % a year. Between 1950 to 1989 the fish harvest grew by 4 % a year – ever since it has dropped. The ever increasing demand for fish has created a massive issue for the world fish supply. It is expected that by 2048 many fish stocks will become extinct. http://www.squidoo.com/CardioTabs-FishDepletion Forests in decline, too – esp. in developing countries: E.g. Ethiopia – in 1900 – 40 % of the land was covered by forest – today it is only 4 %. In the state of Colorado(US) alone every hour 10 acres of farmland / open space are lost for development. Between 1991 and 2000, the total area of Amazon Rainforest cleared for ranching and roads rose from 415,000 to 587,000 km²; a total area of more than six times that of Portugal, 64 percent larger than Germany, 55 percent larger than Japan…in just the last five months of 2007, more than 3,200 sq. kilometers, an area equivalent to the state of Rhode Island, was deforested… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_of_the_Amazon_Rainforest Another problem are illegal migrants. Europe and Australia may be troubled by boat people from Africa and Asia - in the US they estimate the no. of illegal migrants and illegal aliens grows each year by almost 2 million people. http://www.cairco.org/data/quick_facts.html The jump in population creates as well an excessive demand on raw materials: The UN recently urged our world to curb its appetite for raw materials – and they (UN) mention the high fertility rates of some countries (12/5 2011) This report (United Nations Environment Programme) puts some ominous numbers behind its message that humanity needs to reduce the rate at which it churns through natural resources. E.g. between1900 to 2000, the rate at which people consume minerals, ores, fossil fuels and biomass roughly doubled. It warns that our world must curb soaring use of resources ranging from coal to copper to prevent consumption from reaching ruinous levels by 2050…China will be a test case. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/05/12/environment-economy-idUKLDE74B0IZ20110512 In general, developed countries have a relatively low birth rate and are aging whereas developing countries have an unsustainably high birth rate and their population is relatively young. http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Bevpyr_2050.png&filetimestamp=20040602124627 The mentioned scenarios should be a reason to consider/discuss a different policy. I.e. a motion in the UN to consider curbing excessively high fertility rates where necessary. It is certainly heart wrenching to see the many photos of malnourished African children dying of hunger. But the reasoning should be: Man should not create what he cannot sustain. If newborn children cannot be fed – it will lead to a great human catastrophe. That is why there should be a global effort re. birth control – esp. in countries where the birth rate is excessive. We mention some of the efforts made in this respect: • 1993 (New Delhi) Representatives of 58 science academies call for a stop in the population growth within 25 years • 1994 (Rome/Vatican) The papal Academy of Sciences declares (against the will of the Pope) that birth control is necessary to prevent unsolvable conflicts in the future. • 1994 (Cairo) During a “World Population Conference”most governments declared that the population crisis has to be solved. But none of these resolutions was followed up. Maybe because the birth rate in many of the powerful (developed) countries grows at a much slower rate. Maybe that is why the world failed to recognize how important this problem really is. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Norm Member Post Number: 1573 Registered: 02-2000 Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 08:50 am:        Hugo, Australia has a better system than a lot of countries.But mark my words they will whittle it down someday till its an open borders county. The forces at work World Wide are to tear down all Borders. Joe, Frosty does good work but he is always getting attacked by the Left as a racist . which is a favorite tactic used to end discussions they will lose when all the facts are heard. Cpl Member Post Number: 765 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 12:15 am:        IMO Australia will never become an open borders country. It is one of the toughest countries re immigration and the importing of goods or products. Australia is very protectionist of its very sensitive environment. They are IMO likely to become the first country to adopt Plejaren laws in these respects, and are perhaps close to them already regarding foodstuffs. They currently even ostracize family members from the country. If they will not allow me to go and live with the rest of my Australian family -- and they will not because I am older than 55 and married to someone who is not Australian -- you can rest assured they will never allow just anyone to enter their country. Chris Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either. Hugo Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 04-2015 Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 02:15 am:        CPL, I think your spot on about Australia never becoming an open borders country. As time goes on and Australians see all those problems abroad associated with overpopulation get worse and worse, Australia will tighten up it's borders even further, never loosen them. Australians aren't dumb, they know how good they got it here compared to the rest of the overpopulated and polluted world, and in time this will only become more evident to them and be protected more too. And rightly so I think. Sorry to hear about your failed attempts to immigrate here. Imo there should be an exception for hardcore Meier spirit studiers like yourself. Msmichelle Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 02-2010 Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 06:09 am:        Thanks everyone for your comments involving overpopulation. It my opinion, countries like Africa, Asia and India will NOT listen to European or white(s) when it involves their country's problem esp with overpopulation. America and most European countries have for thousands of years, continue to point the finger at other countries, attempting to "push" their agendas and project their customs, traditions, etc. The majority of American whites refuse to recognize others "identities" and "cultural differences". Let's be honest, would you "listen" to countries such as America and Europe when for thousands of years, these countries have attempted to reign supreme? Therefore, we can comment about overpopulation until the cows come home, but if you are not of that "particular" ethnicity.....You Will Not Be Heard. I know, we all mean well, but we need to "focus" on our own backyards, such as small towns, cities, states where "we" reside. MsMichelle Cpl Member Post Number: 766 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 06:59 am:        "Sorry to hear about your failed attempts to immigrate here. Imo there should be an exception for hardcore Meier spirit studiers like yourself. :-)" Ha ha. I can hope that would be so, but the record clearly shows that over the decades immigration laws in Australia are just becoming tougher and tougher -- unless you are young and have the specific talent they need, or can bring in a multi-million dollar business to help the economy. Chris Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either. Msmichelle Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 02-2010 Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 08:01 am:        Let me also be clear, Africa does have a massive overpopulation issue. So does Vermont, New Hampshire, New York, Florida, California, etc. How many of you know the population count in your own cites, towns, states? My point, we love to look outside of ourselves, in order to avoid looking within. Africans must resolve their overpopulation problems. Indians must resolve their overpopulation issue. Asians must resolve their overpopulation. Most importantly, Americans must resolve their own overpopulation issue. Major changes will not occur during our current lifetimes. MsMichelle Norm Member Post Number: 1574 Registered: 02-2000 Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 08:09 am:        There are groups that will not rest until Australia is open borders. Look how quick Obama opened the doors by not enforcing current immigration laws in the USA. You guys better wake up if you think the Globalists are going to sit back & let Australia do whatever it wants forever, your dreaming. They are even using Trade Deals to circumvent immigration laws now. The new TTP that was just pasted by the traitors on the Left & Right has immigration provisions in it for more migrant workers to come to the USA & once here they never leave. NGO Proposes Open Borders between Commonwealth Nations. http://panampost.com/panam-staff/2015/03/18/ngo-proposes-open-borders-between-commonwealth-nations/ Then from there they will add more. And whittle away even more I've seen it. WAKE UP! The EU spread the migrants around the EU. So any country like Canada that has an open borders like system will then let their overflow move to others in that agreement. It never ends I've been follow this for 15 years now I see the patterns. As soon something stops the open borders lobby. Which was slowed down while Bush was in office has now be circumvented by Obama. Bush was always open borders too. But he knew if he pulled what Obama did his party base would have freaked. Msmichelle, So I guess Billy & the rest of White people should shut up because the 3rd world doesn't listen to us? Corey Member Post Number: 877 Registered: 12-2009 Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 11:26 am:        Here is a water stress map, the black areas are projected severe water stress in 2050. Note that Europe, the Middle East/Africa, parts of Asia, and southwestern US are black. Sorry it's so small, the forum software would not let me post it full-size. Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 Norm Member Post Number: 1575 Registered: 02-2000 Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 01:08 pm:        Msmichelle, Most of those population growth numbers are from all the different forms of legal & illegal immigration/Refugees which is not always being reported that way by the Media. Look until you do your own unbiased research then you will keep believing its everyone but its not. The 3rd world is exploding & moving to the 1st especially as the Earth degrades. Either open your eyes or not. This whole thing has gotten to political now and that's why it won't be stopped. Good Luck Australia. But when a Left wing party gets in power mark my words they will be calling for more "Diversity" which is one of their code words for bringing in more people. They know on the face of it who could be against diversity right so they use it. Then if u say we have enough people now we want a slow down or stop they will start screaming racism, isolationist, anti-immigrant etc etc. Norm Member Post Number: 1576 Registered: 02-2000 Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 01:30 pm:        The bottom line is if we get the population back down to what Billy says what around 450 million. Then everyone can move where they want & no one would care. But right now its 3rd world populations & migrations that are going to possibly crash the worlds governments. The EU is now reaching a crisis breaking point they can't take in the endless numbers that are coming. "Long, fractious meeting finally reaches deal on resettling 60,000 asylum seekers, but exempts Hungary and Bulgaria, while UK opts out" http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/26/eu-leaders-hash-out-voluntary-system-to-address-mediterranean-migrant-crisis They are talking only 60,000 but after them there's more coming its non-stop. Norm Member Post Number: 1577 Registered: 02-2000 Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 01:36 pm:        Final post for now. I can't keep talking about this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE Msmichelle Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 02-2010 Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 01:40 pm:        Norm, as I've said to you and others, we need to focus on our own backyards. Go to your city, town, or state gov't and express your concerns about overpopulation. Print articles via the internet to your "local" city, town, or state gov news agencies. You keep with the same argument blaming immigration. We need to "stop" bearing "children." I decided to not bear "children" and I continually express this to my family and friends. However, they refuse to listen. Therefore, each will have to "reap what they sow" and suffer "abnormal deaths." When BEAM speaks, he is "speaking" to "everyone" including "your" families and friends. The overpopulation issue has to "start" at the individual, local level. MsMichelle

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